Mini Game | Werewolves win

[Orboknown]

Aight imma get off borderlands for a bit and crash the early part of the thread
but
i think yall are too worried about which faction to go after and figuring out who is what. Scum is scum. Worry about werewolf vs mafia after we have a flip to base connections off of

 

[Orboknown]

Unvote.

Vote: no lynch

At least until there's something solid-ish to go on...

At any rate, just in case I am lynched, let me say this: don't let my being a townie remove suspicion from anyone who appears to defend me. Anyone could be scum.

Anyone.

Awful worried about yourself for how early in the day and how few actual votes you have on you.

He wasn't trying to prevent an accidental lynching:



He was trying to prevent an easy scum hammer. You are twisting his words and casting suspicion on someone clearly acting in the interest of the town.

Imo its more null of him, handwaving concern like that (especially after having acknowledged the vote total) is an easy way for scum to appear to have a townie mindset.

 

[Orboknown]

Rosas page 5 was good
the amount of overanalyzing by radrat, zalek and gen was painful to read

 

[SlickWylde]

Okay I'm again not going to be able to post much this weekend.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

@ ~ Gheb ~
Request Deadline extension to accommodate the slot replacement.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

Maybe I should clarify. I'm afraid that the mafia or werewolves will be a lot smarter and coordinated now that you're here, not because you'll try to "make us forget why we sorta disliked the slot."

Here's the way I see TSYK's forfeit. If he was town, he would do everything in his power to stop us from lynching him, since that is acting in the town's interest. Quitting the game after being accused is the completely wrong thing to do, and is extremely scummy in my eyes.

imo, he just gave up after seeing everyone wanted to lynch him. Being a newbie, he wouldn't have much investment in this game as a whole, and I don't think he would have cared beyond that point once he saw he had pretty much died.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

I just thought of another reason for the werewolves to kill Kary. @RadicalRat got himself lynched so we would have 100% proof that his reads and theories were genuine. Here's his final predictions for the two scum teams.

When you first look at it, the wolves killing someone whom Rad believed to be mafia doesn't make a lot of sense. If you think about it though, if Kary were to have flipped mafia, the werewolves could have benefited greatly, because that would have given a lot of momentum to the investigation on the slots Radical listed as mafia. I MEAN, if he was right about Kary, we'd probably start looking at the players whom he thinks are connected to Kary, right?. It's for this reason that I don't think Smasher/Orbo or J are werewolves, and I would move them to a lower lynch priority. Why would the werewolves risk shining the spotlight on themselves? Unless they were 100% Kary was town, I don't think J or Smasher would kill Kary.

Now, I've already explained why I don't think J or Smasher would kill Kary, so that leaves two players who would benefit greatly no matter how Kary flipped. When Kary flipped town, what happened? RadicalRat's reads suddenly lost almost all of their credibility. A werewolf wouldn't want this unless they themselves were suspected by Radical for being scum. Think about it, if you were a werewolf, and you weren't on that list, you'd have a huge chance to shine the spotlight on some other players for a while. It's for this reason, that I STRONGLY BELIEVE at least one of the Slick + Generic duo is a werewolf.

You can use the excuse that Kary was an IC, and therefore a threat, but at that point in the game, I don't think ANYONE had a town read on Kary, so I really don't buy that.

Or we could use occam's razor: Kary was IC. BOOM! No more convoluted theories.

And let's stop making a distinction between Werewolf and Mafia. For most intents and purposes, they are one and the same.

Not liking Zalak too much now.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

Nvm above, just read orbo's post.

Dammit you ninja'd me. Or, like, pre-ninja'd cuz I saw this before I posted.

Vote: SlickWylde

Course, if Slick flips town I'm screwed... But I worked through the logic myself and it makes sense.

You may have answered this earlier, but can you just post it again anyway? Cos I cbbs finding it.
What makes you think Slick's scum?

Slick: Town
Orbo: town lean/ ThatSmasher: scum lean (Total: Neutral)
Zalak: Scum lean
Generic: Scum
J: town lean
Reaper: null
Anyone else is probably null too

 

[Kaladin]

@ ~ Gheb ~

Could you PM him and ask? This is gonna be pretty janky otherwise.

@ Zalak His "reads" on me seem way too safe and careful, just generally noncommittal. I had him as null or close to it before, so this puts him to a scum lean.

Nvm above, just read orbo's post.

You may have answered this earlier, but can you just post it again anyway? Cos I cbbs finding it.
What makes you think Slick's scum?

Slick: Town
Orbo: town lean/ ThatSmasher: scum lean (Total: Neutral)
Zalak: Scum lean
Generic: Scum
J: town lean
Reaper: null
Anyone else is probably null too

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anyways

Or we could use occam's razor: Kary was IC. BOOM! No more convoluted theories.

And let's stop making a distinction between Werewolf and Mafia. For most intents and purposes, they are one and the same.

Not liking Zalak too much now.

That assumes WW would kill Kary just because he's IC. Since he was suspicious, why not leave him alive as a scapegoat?

 

[Kaladin]

Of course, Zalak could be WW, killing Kary with the intent of making that post/argument. But w/e. It's a possibility.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

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anyways


That assumes WW would kill Kary just because he's IC. Since he was suspicious, why not leave him alive as a scapegoat?

Because occam razor. That would involve assuming they were scared of Kary, they would target Kary as scrapegoat, and that Kary would be unable to refute the evidence. 3 assumptions v. 2

 

[RosalinaSGS]

Of course, Zalak could be WW, killing Kary with the intent of making that post/argument. But w/e. It's a possibility.

I'm am not going to play WIFOM. If anyone continues with these kind of posts, they're going on my lynch list. I'm not reading through pages of analysis which only end up with vague and uncertain results.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

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anyways


That assumes WW would kill Kary just because he's IC. Since he was suspicious, why not leave him alive as a scapegoat?

Also, why'd you quote most read list and your post? Are my reads weak from your perspective?

 

[RosalinaSGS]

Oh, right... nvm Soz.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

Mm... I guess that's fair enough. Not much I can say against your read on Slick.

 

[Orboknown]

I know I'm not being asked, but I'm 90% sure that ThatSmasher is scum, 70% Generic, 65% RadicalRat (I'm 100% sure at least ONE of them is scum) 50% KingOfKoopa, and less than 50% on everyone else so far.

You still stand by this?

Think about it. In the later game stages, would you rather have the good players to deal with, or the ones we've had almost confirmed since Day One? Plus, any mistakes he makes as we continue could expose his buddies.

I realize hes dead
but
in general, lynch someone thats suspicious. Leaving someone alive when you have no idea what his actual alignment or role is could backfire wayyyy down the line. Especially since in most setups you dont know how many total scum there are

 

[SlickWylde]

You still stand by this?

Well I was proven very wrong about RadicalRat. I've had doubts about Generic, but I was trying to ignore those, because ThatSmasher was my biggest target. Plus if Generic was WW, I'd rather not have him know I want to lynch him, since I don't think he'd be lynched this round.

With you taking TSYK's spot, it's back to 50/50 on you. I happen to know that you're a really good player. So we need to figure out what you are, and quickly. I think you know what I mean.

I REALLY don't like the way Generic switched his vote to me based of Zalak's post. To me, it felt like it was a reaction. "Shoot, Slick and I are the two people Zalak is talking about. I better pretend like this is a revelation against Slick."

 

[Kaladin]

@ #HBC | Red Ryu is there a real-life reason you're not posting? Otherwise ya seem pretty scummy.

 

[TheKingofKoopas]

Now, I've already explained why I don't think J or Smasher would kill Kary, so that leaves two players who would benefit greatly no matter how Kary flipped. When Kary flipped town, what happened? RadicalRat's reads suddenly lost almost all of their credibility. A werewolf wouldn't want this unless they themselves were suspected by Radical for being scum. Think about it, if you were a werewolf, and you weren't on that list, you'd have a huge chance to shine the spotlight on some other players for a while. It's for this reason, that I STRONGLY BELIEVE at least one of the Slick + Generic duo is a werewolf.

You can use the excuse that Kary was an IC, and therefore a threat, but at that point in the game, I don't think ANYONE had a town read on Kary, so I really don't buy that.

If Kary flips mafia, RR gains a lot of credibility and the people he put in the mafia faction are lynched post-haste. This allows WW to use 2-3 additional night kills and winnthe game.

FoS: Zalak
FoS: GenericHandle
If Kary flipped Mafia, why would we lynch the others for being in the same prediction group? We wouldn't suddenly change our mind just because Rad got one of them right. If I remember correctly, J's "connection" to Kary was incredibly weak, and TSYK was scummy for a different reason. If we went with his prediction before J, I was scummy for a different reason too. There's literally no other reason to lynch the others based on Rad's prediction, that's like saying "oh he got one right so everyone else is too" I thought at least one of you would catch that. Especially since the reason we lynched Rat was 'straw grasping'.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@ #HBC | Red Ryu is there a real-life reason you're not posting? Otherwise ya seem pretty scummy.

Yes, there is.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

CHECK OUT MY NEW SIG

Why did you post this?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@ThatSmasherYouKnow : May I ask why you named quite the large amount of scum-reads, yet your vote is no where to be seen? Why are you not voting/questioning who you believe is scum?

*kicks rock*

I'm against the Generic push and feel it is really stretchy @ Zalak .

Umm, hold it, why is it this is a problem in a newbie game?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Nvm above, just read orbo's post.

You may have answered this earlier, but can you just post it again anyway? Cos I cbbs finding it.
What makes you think Slick's scum?

Slick: Town
Orbo: town lean/ ThatSmasher: scum lean (Total: Neutral)
Zalak: Scum lean
Generic: Scum
J: town lean
Reaper: null
Anyone else is probably null too

Can you elaborate on the Zalak scum read, I'm not going to reread to find it if you did.

Who is your vote on as well?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Aight imma get off borderlands for a bit and crash the early part of the thread
but
i think yall are too worried about which faction to go after and figuring out who is what. Scum is scum. Worry about werewolf vs mafia after we have a flip to base connections off of

Bingo, but hey Orbo, wanna be buddies?

Yes this is an obvious buddying I am doing here?

I offer my hand to work together, do you accept?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Not to be rude, @ Zalak but could we tone down the posting a bit? The reason I am asking this is because I having a hard time reading other slots becuase you post so much. I know your views and I know what you want to do, but it is letting people float in the thread and I dislike that. We need conversation from RR/Koopa/Rosa/*now Orbo*/Sparky. The main people talking have been Zalak/Generi/Slick and that's it. Grim has sidelined a bit, but the thread is getting confuddled for me.

I get the excitement of mafia, but let's hand the mic to someone else for a bit.

Talk to me about your dislike and focus on Zalak more.

Have you played a game with him?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Who did Orbo replace?

 

[TheKingofKoopas]

Who did Orbo replace?

ThatSmasherYouKnow.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

ThatSmasherYouKnow.

Ok so he replaced the slot I wanted dead the most.

Got it.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Aight imma get off borderlands for a bit and crash the early part of the thread
but
i think yall are too worried about which faction to go after and figuring out who is what. Scum is scum. Worry about werewolf vs mafia after we have a flip to base connections off of

K so now I know who you replaced, I do not like your slot but you gonna need to work with me if you do not want me pushing for you at the noose.

Offer still stands for working together but I request you give me clear directions and why.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Honestly, I don't remember much from this game from my reread, too much null overall/me not being active in it.

Want Orbo to talk to me.

Want to know what J has with Zalak.

Want to figure out anyone else.

Pretty much my agenda atm.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

@ #HBC | Red Ryu is there a real-life reason you're not posting? Otherwise ya seem pretty scummy.

Feels like attempting to avoid attention after Slick's post about his post.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

Can you elaborate on the Zalak scum read, I'm not going to reread to find it if you did.

Who is your vote on as well?

It crept up on me gradually. Tbh it might have started at the ops you mentioned, when I feel his humour was becoming too contrived. It didn't seem to flow naturally, making me perhaps suspect he was deliberately making filler/ lighten the mood/ look town without doing anything. Also, I hated his comments playing WIFOM with Kary's death. It's a newbie game, something that contrived's not going to happen. These seem slight, but knowing how good Zalak can be, I'm taking everything I can get.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

Also my vote was 'On' thatsmasher from memory, but it wasn't actually on him due to fear of an early lynch.

 

[Kaladin]

Hmmmm. You may be on to something about Zalak, Rosa. I'll be keeping an eye out.

 

[Spak]

Why did you post this?

Posting personal content makes people feel more warmed up to you, and is sometimes used to subliminally manipulate people into thinking that they can't possibly be scum.

Or Zalak could have just been excited about his new banner. One of the two.

 

[#HBC | J]

Talk to me about your dislike and focus on Zalak more.

Have you played a game with him?

It's mainly gut. I have never played a game with him.

 

[Zalak]

Or we could use occam's razor: Kary was IC. BOOM! No more convoluted theories.

And let's stop making a distinction between Werewolf and Mafia. For most intents and purposes, they are one and the same.

Not liking Zalak too much now.

Occam's Razor sucks. You can't judge something just by the number of assumptions you have to make. You gotta look at what's actually probable. You've gotta look at how much of a stretch each assumption is. If they were just afraid of ICs, they should have targeted J, because no one had beef with J, and he was bound to start posting eventually. Kary on the other hand was barely posting, and was a prime lynch target for many players. My theory isn't convoluted, it's just what makes sense.

Because occam razor. That would involve assuming they were scared of Kary, they would target Kary as scrapegoat, and that Kary would be unable to refute the evidence. 3 assumptions v. 2

no, they don't need to be scared of Kary to wanna use Kary as a scapegoat. Kary was just a great scapegoat at that point of the game, because they were so suspicious. it also doesn't involve assuming Kary would be unable to refute the evidence, it really only involves assuming they would think Kary is a good scapegoat, which I'm pretty sure every player here would.

SEE, my thinking is that the werewolves had two entire days to think about who they wanted to kill, and if they were going to choose Kary I see no reason not to believe they would have considered what might have happened if Kary flipped town/maf.

 

[Kaladin]

Everyone is bickering about assumptions, and I'm just sitting here waiting for Paragon.

 

[Zalak]

Posting personal content makes people feel more warmed up to you, and is sometimes used to subliminally manipulate people into thinking that they can't possibly be scum.

Or Zalak could have just been excited about his new banner. One of the two.

ACTUALLY, I am a Tumblr user, and Tumblr just had a horrible update that basically makes the website look like a really bad forum, so I decided to make a really bad signature banner to go with it, and I decided to post it here when I logged in. I even started using it in a rabb.it stream after every message I sent.

FoS: Zalak
FoS: GenericHandle
If Kary flipped Mafia, why would we lynch the others for being in the same prediction group? We wouldn't suddenly change our mind just because Rad got one of them right. If I remember correctly, J's "connection" to Kary was incredibly weak, and TSYK was scummy for a different reason. If we went with his prediction before J, I was scummy for a different reason too. There's literally no other reason to lynch the others based on Rad's prediction, that's like saying "oh he got one right so everyone else is too" I thought at least one of you would catch that. Especially since the reason we lynched Rat was 'straw grasping'.

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if Kary flipped maf, we would be able to see that they had some sort of mafia intent behind all of their actions. Kary questioned everyone who wanted to lynch ThatSmasher, so that could have come across as Kary trying to protect him. J's connection was weak though, I'll give you that. Still, at least from my experience, people like to pay more attention to the requests of a confirmed townie than the requests of a living dude.

 

[Zalak]

SEE, my thinking is that the werewolves had two entire days to think about who they wanted to kill, and if they were going to choose Kary I see no reason not to believe they would have considered what might have happened if Kary flipped town/maf.

see no reason to believe they wouldn't have considered what might have happened*