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[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I'll do it tomorrow

 

[Xatres]

Seriously though, one long post from each of you. This back and forth is just going to leave town apathetic towards actually evaluating their reads in an objective way.

 

[JeXs]

Seriously though, one long post from each of you. This back and forth is just going to leave town apathetic towards actually evaluating their reads in an objective way.

I think we're done

 

[JeXs]

Also this.

But that's not meta, that's analyzing how your posting in this game, i havent said "i expect jexs to post this way because of this game " or anything like that because it's not a meta read

Basically i agree he's trying to emulate his own meta, he's trying to look town without being it. Gorf hit the nail on the head. Just reads as fake and i dont like it one iota

 

[asianaussie]

why are there two new pages

im not reading two pages until i get back home

 

[asianaussie]

If you disagree, tell me why he fakes it, how, and why as newer scum he wouldn't just fo and not make that comment. No one made him, he could have jumped on bunzy or jexs or whatever but he says that. If you really think thats how scum plays, stop playing mafia cause you'll lose every time

this still doesnt convince me that lunch is town, and i saw literally zero purpose in him asking who else is inactive, the post seemed like lazy filler more than anything

skimmed, i have approx zero input on the whole meta discussion atm, i will either write it off as null and bickering or comment after you do what xat says and one big post from each of you

also gorf is your jexs scumread actually just feels

 

[Dabuz]

Vote: Rake

His play has been disgusting within the 24 or w/e hours he's been playing.

TOWN READ on Lunchables with the reasoning he presented is baffling and I really can't make sense of it being explained as town over null or scum. Could see scum trying to get townie points because they know Lunchables is town.

Can't even explain his gut scum on me.

Heavily dislike his push on JeXs with the reasons he provided (or lackthereof) for that scum read.

Also don't like Gorf and will not follow a wagon with him and Rake.



Dropping my point about JeXs' 86 because his reasoning is fair enough with the consideration that JeX wasn't scum reading Xatres.

164 is an amazing post and then I really like JeXs' points on that same page.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

if you consider none of this D1 play to be feels mania, than no aussie, my read is not feels.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

bunz wanting to lynch rake for the reasons you provided is absolutely asinine when not in a regular game. the guys ridiculous. but it isn't a far stretch from his normal play, and in a situation where we may only have 1 ML, I don't wanna waste it. i think it's wrong to want to settle the way your post clearly shows you are at THIS point in time (we have 2.5 days till deadline) so... come on man. ****ing think. are you sure that ****** rake is gonna flip scum? or are you sure ****** rake is gonna be out of your hair? ive had this discussion one too many times with myself about rake, and i don't wanna lynch him off of the basis that "he's rake" (although he DOES always deserve it). if it avoid an NL, ill do it. but i think it's a mistake. when pressured, he opened up. to ignore that is naive.

 

[JeXs]

bunz wanting to lynch rake for the reasons you provided is absolutely asinine when not in a regular game. the guys ridiculous. but it isn't a far stretch from his normal play, and in a situation where we may only have 1 ML, I don't wanna waste it. i think it's wrong to want to settle the way your post clearly shows you are at THIS point in time (we have 2.5 days till deadline) so... come on man. ****ing think. are you sure that ****** rake is gonna flip scum? or are you sure ****** rake is gonna be out of your hair? ive had this discussion one too many times with myself about rake, and i don't wanna lynch him off of the basis that "he's rake" (although he DOES always deserve it). if it avoid an NL, ill do it. but i think it's a mistake. when pressured, he opened up. to ignore that is naive.

What do you mean by rake is rake so he's probably not gonna flip scum?

 

[JeXs]

@Lunchables
What do you think of Rake? Will you lynch him? Or will you join Gorf and Rake on their silly mission to lynch me? Also, do you have any stance on the players now?

 

[Dabuz]

bunz wanting to lynch rake for the reasons you provided is absolutely asinine when not in a regular game. the guys ridiculous. but it isn't a far stretch from his normal play, and in a situation where we may only have 1 ML, I don't wanna waste it. i think it's wrong to want to settle the way your post clearly shows you are at THIS point in time (we have 2.5 days till deadline) so... come on man. ****ing think. are you sure that ****** rake is gonna flip scum? or are you sure ****** rake is gonna be out of your hair? ive had this discussion one too many times with myself about rake, and i don't wanna lynch him off of the basis that "he's rake" (although he DOES always deserve it). if it avoid an NL, ill do it. but i think it's a mistake. when pressured, he opened up. to ignore that is naive.

Nothing Rake says make sense, his reasons for town lunch are bat**** ********, his gut scum on me without even saying why makes me fear what silly reason he has to even consider Xat a lynch if not me or JeXs, then his jump on JeXs looks pretty awful; is this really his normal play in your book? Also, I think lynching JeXs is also a mistake, guy isn't playing well (I do love that 164 though), but I don't see the scum in him and your reasons to scum read aren't convincing.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

What do you mean by rake is rake so he's probably not gonna flip scum?

this is not what i said. but good attempt at strawmanning me.

 

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@Lunchables
What do you think of Rake? Will you lynch him? Or will you join Gorf and Rake on their silly mission to lynch me? Also, do you have any stance on the players now?

Rake is the only person who trusts me here, which is surprising. You'd think that because of that, I trust him as well but realistically with the way I'm playing here... NO ONE should trust me. I'm playing like ass.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Seriously, if you think thts the type of post scum makes, you need to stop playing mafia for real

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I also never said i trusted you, i said im town reading you, also also never said how hard or soft which these guys havent asked about cause they be too busy being dumbo level dumb

 

[JeXs]

this is not what i said. but good attempt at strawmanning me.

So what do you mean by we shouldn't lynch him just because he's rake?

 

[JeXs]

Rake is the only person who trusts me here, which is surprising. You'd think that because of that, I trust him as well but realistically with the way I'm playing here... NO ONE should trust me. I'm playing like ***.

Do you find him suspicious? What about the others?

 

[Dabuz]

I also never said i trusted you, i said im town reading you, also also never said how hard or soft which these guys havent asked about cause they be too busy being dumbo level dumb

We don't need to ask, you presented your case and make it seem like you have a solid town on him.

Rake is the only person who trusts me here, which is surprising. You'd think that because of that, I trust him as well but realistically with the way I'm playing here... NO ONE should trust me. I'm playing like ***.

Still fine with lynching you just an FYI.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

So what do you mean by we shouldn't lynch him just because he's rake?

just because he's himself, doesn't make him scum. rake isn't always scum. but rake always finds himself in wacky rake-like situations. i nearly ALWAYS call for his lynch cuz i know in a standard game that at least my uncertainty in his flip will pay off. here, ML's are VALUABLE.

 

[JeXs]

just because he's himself, doesn't make him scum. rake isn't always scum. but rake always finds himself in wacky rake-like situations. i nearly ALWAYS call for his lynch cuz i know in a standard game that at least my uncertainty in his flip will pay off. here, ML's are VALUABLE.

But we're not lynching him here just because he's Rake.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

...yea. all reasons stated have been rake revolved.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

ebwop

have been rake meta* revolved

that was really weird to articulate lol

 

[JeXs]

The only one who has said anything about Rake meta is Xatres.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

and that's where the problem lies.

you see, the problem is that were all ignoring the truth of the matter: rake is an entitled prick who likely either gets a rush from making a ridiculous claim (like calling someone town when it's unwarranted) or actually believes the unfounded bull**** he spews. either way, time has proven to us he does this frequently as town. too frequently to be coincidental. now, the only problem here is that rake is a FIRM believer in meta being his best friend, whether he thinks so or not. this is why him acting the way he does is an inherently null tell; a scum rake can easily rapid fire bull**** and not find it in himself to justify it. rake would think he's untouchable cuz his meta matches.

im not saying rake is town. truth be told im at the exact same place that i usually am when reading rake. he's an enigma that is probz better off dead cuz it's not worth tryna decode him. if you knew anything about my meta, you'd know it PAINS me to say that i don't think his lynch is the best lynch for town. no, really. it does.

the reason im not gung-ho about offing him? the guy threw his guard down as soon as i came into thread and elaborated on his madness. it doesn't make him right; a townie doesn't always make sense the same way most people can't understand schizos. you guys have analyzed what he's said. im tryna analyze the way he's gone about it. and i DON'T think it's inherently scummy. but alas, i could be wrong. if the numbers aren't in my favor ill conform. but considering the size of this game, id rather not.

 

[JeXs]

So your only lynch toDay is me then?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

ehh, id be content with lunchables if it came down to it, but aside from that my only lynch toDay is you. that is correct.

 

[JeXs]

I'd be fine with offing lunchables too. Rake remains as my no.1 scum pick though.

 

[JeXs]

@ Dabuz
@ asianaussie
@ Xatres
What do you think of Gorf defending Rake but so willing to simply off Lunchables and I?

 

[asianaussie]

i dont think he's defending rake, persay

im content to go along with gorf's exasperated rant, the parts that arent about meta are reasonable and the part about meta sounds like a well-worn record

i need to re-read to see what i think about you

lunchables im still null on and i dont like lynching inactives before slots that will actually flip for information, so yeah

@Lunchables i see you there

 

[JeXs]

Look at how much he's said about not wanting to lynch Rake and look at how much he has said about wanting to lynch me(nothing).

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

i implore every single person to read this whole post.

jex is scummy. and in lieu of drawing a ****ing flow to show you guys exactly why that is, ill just explain it. bear with me, ive avoided doing this cuz i thought you guys would catch on faster.

My initial vote has nothing to do with it. I agree that my points on him are kinda pointless but that's the way the game is right now.

all the way up until this point jex has had his chest out in every post he's made. he's made it a point to be (or at least sound)confident with everything he's said. and of course there's little to be confident about; you have a guy who's jokingly claimed scum and you have the guy who seems to be jokingly demanding his lynch. but here's where the joke ends:

We lynch scum.

The one that's scum. If none are scum, we lynch none.

this is either a refusal by jex to cooperate or a cover up for not knowing how to answer aussie's question. the confidence still seems to be there. but none of the cooperation. i can go on but i choose not to.

but gorf why does this matter?

meta.

sure we can all analyze whoever we want as much as we want, but deep down who's the one person that knows jex better than anyone else? himself. jex came into the game and consciously changed the way he operates for a purpose. it wasn't off of a whim (as evidenced by his continuation to act this way until pressured to not). the question is what was the purpose and does that purpose match better from a townie pov or a scummy pov?

the easier way to think about this is whether or not typical motivations of either or are present or absent; after all, him changing his entrance in and of itself IS null after all.

to simplify things, townies scumhunt. scum survives.

To look townie.

i think it's fair to say that this is when jex reverts to his comfort zone. he goes back to being more reserved.

Is badwolf's post alignment telling to you?

Are you going to join us?
I want to know your thoughts on what has happened so far.
@ Xatres
As of now, who do you think is town and why? You've been posting but I have no idea on your stances.
unvote

Well so going off of people's behavior who do you think is scum? If none then who do you think are town? Why?

as far as page 2 goes, and as far as im concerned, this is a snippet of the beginning of post-nonsense time for jex. what i see is a string of posts that lead jex almost nowhere. a townie will ask questions if they feel that the answer to those questions will lead them to a conclusion. if a townie has no questions, they won't ask. sometimes scum feels like they're in a position where they MUST ask questions cuz it's "what a townie would do." of course, i can only judge the actions of jex and try to determine from there what is going on in his head. and what i see is little follow up on what jex is trying to present to the thread.

You can not be stirring the pot but we still need to know your stances on other's alignments.

a post like this looks good isolated. but in reality, it's extremely easy. the stance was already made at least once by this point that xat shouldn't be so... openly closed in his reads. not only that, but it just LOOKS bad. this is what we in dgames call a sheep.

also, let's note that near the bottom of page 3 jex shows absolutely zero hostility or curiosity of rake's alignment. he simply asks/responds to questions and internalizes any thoughts he may or may not have regarding rake's catch up.

unvote

vote rake

i think this is the exact direction we should take. nice try on doing the whole snapping into thread thing, a for effort, but your play absolutely reeks of hand choosing your reads bud. you don't have the swag here. spill or get lynched.

i show outward distaste toward rake,

vote: rake

Wtf is with this? You're going to personally attack people and call them dumb if they lynch you? So you have absolutely no intention of helping town, is that it? You're just going to sit back and watch?

jex shows outward distaste toward rake.

are we noticing any patterns?

also let's not forget to mention the brashness in this post. this is supposed to be the big justifier for jex joining the wagon or something. it has the right attributes: emotion, inquisition, strawmanning- wait... what was that last one?

oh yea. jex is taking the position that rake is trying to make and painting it in the absolutely worst way possible. a townie will try to look at another player objectively in order to properly gauge their argument. a scummy, with the defense of a, dare i say, vibrant player, will try to piggy back their way onto the vibrant player's position of not-them in order to try and secure their own place on not-them's lynch. for reference, jex is the scummy player, rake is not-them, and im the vibrant player.

Xatres has already given us his stances. Can't say that for lunch though.

I think he's scum.

squirming.

Lynch Rake with us. Look at how he just came into the game and IMMEDIATELY parrots Gorf. Look at the reasons I'm being pushed. I'm trying to emulate my meta? They can't explain this so why is this a scumtell at all? If they can't explain their reasoning for me being scum then there's really no reason to scum read me. Look at Rake's reasons for town reading LUNCHABLES. Being open and honest, like wtf? Badwolf voted for me even though he felt that I was being honest. I know it's two different players but for the reads to just be on the opposite spectrum is bull****.

oh and bunz this post sucks. stop tryna febreeze the garbage.

if you couldn't tell this is the point where im growing tired.

jex is exhibiting typical scum behavior. he's not trying to scumhunt, he's trying to go through the Day. jex idgaf if you respond to this. quite frankly id rather you not cuz it'll just go back and forth. but if this is nothing, than i gotta check myself into a psych ward cuz im ****in nuts.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@ Dabuz
@ asianaussie
@ Xatres
What do you think of Gorf defending Rake but so willing to simply off Lunchables and I?

you have a knack for strawmanning things as scum don't you?

 

[asianaussie]

that post was more coherent than anything i've read this game

nfi about his meta and a lot of his early posts seemed confusing to me (since neither town nor scum would really want to post stuff like that, i mean come on)

vote: jexs

i think that's L-1

bunzy please clarify something for me

in #120 you were perfectly fine with rake voting jexs - did you mean you were fine with the jexs wagon (i ASSUME this is what you meant because why would you post it otherwise, anything you dont quote is implied ok)? or did it mean you were fine with rake's vote? i only ask this in reference to the below

Ugh, this game. We are getting close to deadline; not sure what I want to do yet, going to try and figure it out by tomorrow.

are you or are you not fine with a jexs lynch?

@ Xatres i believe you're the one who's hard town reading jexs, what do you think of gorf's post

 

[JeXs]

you have a knack for strawmanning things as scum don't you?

No becase I'm not scum.

I want you all to look at Rake and Lunchables toMorrow after my flip. That is very possibly our scum team.

 

[JeXs]

I'd gladly hammer myself if you promise to lynch one of Rake/Lunchables toMorrow.

 

[JeXs]

Rake is most definitely scum. Gorf, you're getting the scum and town mixed up. That's ok though, you lynch him toMorrow when I flip town, simple enough?

 

[JeXs]

Gorf your entire case seems to be on the basis that I'm strawmanning? The entire first part of it is null tells. I don't know why you think I'm not scumhunting though. I AM scumhunting and the scum I hunted was... Rake. Big surprise?

 

[JeXs]

On the subject of me strawmanning, I have a habit of making things shorter and what I say is what I perceive it as. You can take this info for future reference, it's fine if you don't believe me now, just lynch Rake toMorrow upon my flip.

 

[JeXs]

Oh and me asking questions is because I want to know what the other players think.

Gorf, you have played with me the most. You should understand by now I'm largely a reactive player. Me only responding to Rake is completely null.