Miiverse Daily Pic Thread: 2nd Edition (Updated 9/19)

[LancerStaff]

Bzzt. Wrong.

Toon Link is an artstyle, not a specific character. That's the only reason Conductor Link has to disappear when Toon Link shows up. SSB doesn't use the actual people, but characters based upon them at best. His Trophy talks about "as he appeared in Wind Waker", referring strictly to the art style.

Same character, Toon Link, same art style, different clothing(and one has poor rendering compared to the other). I expect a Conductor Link costume too(and that's pretty much the best reason why they can't both be onscreen at once).

So removing TL to prevent confusion isn't possible at all?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

So removing TL to prevent confusion isn't possible at all?

There is no confusion. One is rendered poorly enough to make telling them apart crap easy. They aren't even dressed the same.

They have to be the same character or the Conductor Link costume exists. Or both.

Either way, it fits how Sakurai views characters current status. They use an art style and nobody is canon. He let Zelda use Phantom Zelda as an attack. It's kind of obvious he doesn't care if they're the "same person or not" in the series. Another example is that OOT style Link can use the Boomerang. If it was the actual OOT version, that wouldn't be possible. But it is, soooooooo... he doesn't care about what model used. This is probably why Toon Link has the same moves as Link. It's still "Link", just a different style.

 

[Staarih]

I think Meloetta looks gorgeous in that pic! Not surprised we get a filler, but at least it's a Pokéball Pokémon which was predicted so many many times...

As an avid Zoroark-supporter, I would love to see him in, but it's pretty clear that he's a Pokéball Pokémon. I accepted that immediately after the Greninja-trailer.

 

[LancerStaff]

There is no confusion. One is rendered poorly enough to make telling them apart crap easy. They aren't even dressed the same.

They have to be the same character or the Conductor Link costume exists. Or both.

Either way, it fits how Sakurai views characters current status. They use an art style and nobody is can. He let Zelda use Phantom Zelda as an attack. It's kind of obvious he doesn't care if they're the "same person or not" in the series. Another example is that OOT style Link can use the Boomerang. If it was the actual OOT version, that wouldn't be possible. But it is, soooooooo... he doesn't care about what model used. This is probably why Toon Link has the same moves as Link. It's still "Link", just a different style.

No, not really. You'll barely see a difference since the camera gets so zoomed out.
http://www.ssbwiki.com/File:SpiritTrain3DS.png

And this isn't something you can really apply logic to. Just because Sakurai mishmashed Zelda characters before doesn't mean Conductor Link and TL have to be the same character. You're making broad assumptions.

 

[QuickRat]

"Troll, troll, trolling on Miiverse post" could be a Bob Dylan song.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

No, not really. You'll barely see a difference since the camera gets so zoomed out.
http://www.ssbwiki.com/File:SpiritTrain3DS.png

And this isn't something you can really apply logic to. Just because Sakurai mishmashed Zelda characters before doesn't mean Conductor Link and TL have to be the same character. You're making broad assumptions.

Nice tunic. What I see are two extremely different looking character with the exact same body shape.

I stand by what I said, that's the only real reason to do so. Also, it's confirmed by the Press Kit that playing as regular Link causes Alfonzo to appear instead of Conductor Link too. It actually can't be impossible to tell Adult Link and Toon Link(Conductor clothes) apart. It doesn't make sense. That also showed Link, Toon Link, and Alfonzo on the field too. It's a character thing at this point.

And Sakurai always mishashes Zelda characters. Why would it ever be different?

 

[Curious Villager]

Gosh I can already imagine his caption if Zoroark does wind up playable after all...

"Pic of the Day. Zoroark joins the battle alongside Lucario and Greninja!
What? You saw a Zoroark at the Greninja trailer? Guess that was all just an illusion!"

Anyway, I do understand where some people are coming from. Honestly, if people can still have some hope for Ridley despite having his potential role as a boss more or less hinted at. And then the whole Toon Link fake out. Then I don't really see why some Zoroark supporters can't hope a little that he hasn't been completely disconfirmed either.

Honestly, I'll give him until E3 for now and if he shows up in any way in there.

 

[MasterofMonster]

Gosh I can already imagine his caption if Zoroark does wind up playable after all...

"Pic of the Day. Zoroark joins the battle alongside Lucario and Greninja!

What? You saw a Zoroark at the Greninja trailer? Guess that was all just an illusion!"

Anyway, I do understand where some poeple are coming from. Honestly, if people can still have some hope for Ridley despite having his potential role as a boss more or less hinted at. And then the whole Toon Link fake out. Then I don't really see why some Zoroark supporters can't hope a little that he hasn't been completely disconfirmed either.

Honestly, I'll give him until E3 for now and if he shows up in any way in there.

I am almost entirely sure Ridley is playable. And I never really lost faith in Toon Link. But Zoroark, while the fact that he is seen amongs the Pokémon doesn't rule him out, I Think GameFreak rules him out. He never became the new Lucario that they wanted, and GameFreak are the ones deciding (pretty much) what Pokémon will appear. I really doubt that Zoroark will be promoted on Smash. I personally feel it's simply too late for him.

Of course, it IS possible, but I wouldn't Count on it. But at least we have Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario, Greninja, and most likely Jigglypuff and Mewtwo~

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I am almost entirely sure Ridley is playable. And I never really lost faith in Toon Link. But Zoroark, while the fact that he is seen amongs the Pokémon doesn't rule him out, I Think GameFreak rules him out. He never became the new Lucario that they wanted, and GameFreak are the ones deciding (pretty much) what Pokémon will appear. I really doubt that Zoroark will be promoted on Smash. I personally feel it's simply too late for him.

Of course, it IS possible, but I wouldn't Count on it. But at least we have Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario, Greninja, and most likely Jigglypuff and Mewtwo~

...Actually, the GameFreak point is fairly good. But they also threw him into X/Y as a common Pokemon you can catch at any time. They made Zorua a gift Pokemon in B/W II. They didn't advertise him much mostly because he didn't have the same popularity.

However, that doesn't mean they'd say no, though.

 

[Curious Villager]

I am almost entirely sure Ridley is playable. And I never really lost faith in Toon Link. But Zoroark, while the fact that he is seen amongs the Pokémon doesn't rule him out, I Think GameFreak rules him out. He never became the new Lucario that they wanted, and GameFreak are the ones deciding (pretty much) what Pokémon will appear. I really doubt that Zoroark will be promoted on Smash. I personally feel it's simply too late for him.

Of course, it IS possible, but I wouldn't Count on it. But at least we have Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario, Greninja, and most likely Jigglypuff and Mewtwo~

Yeah I understand. I don't really think he will show up either, but I'm just trying to be a bit fair you know. Especially since Ridley has been given a much harder blow compared to Zoroark imo and the things that happened with Toon Link.

 

[MasterofMonster]

Yeah I understand. I don't really think he will show up either, but I'm just trying to be a bit fair you know. Especially since Ridley has been given a much harder burden compared to Zoroark imo and the things that happened with Toon Link.

I understand, just thought I'd make sure you won't be super down if Zoro isn't announced. ^^ I am personally not very worried about Ridley, but I will accept his fate, whatever it will be. I mean, the Toon Link thing certanly helps him, haha.

But anyways, Pic of the Day. Still expect a look at the Selection Screen tomorrow, showing the Tournament characters. I hope you can see how many character it will be in the end. :3

@ Verde Coeden Scalesworth
That too. It does really seem they gave up on Zoroark when they saw he didn't get nearly as popular as they wanted. I blame his Movie. It had very Little Zoroark in it.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yeah I understand. I don't really think he will show up either, but I'm just trying to be a bit fair you know. Especially since Ridley has been given a much harder blow compared to Zoroark imo and the things that happened with Toon Link.

More than most think. Now, I'm sure in the past people have noted how I discredited the old Miiverse post about the Pyrosphere explicitly referring to Ridley as is. However, that's a problem with the translation. The original version reads(paraphrased) as "An Enemy from Samus' past that caused her trauma will appear". When he just said enemy from Samus' past, he could've been referring to anything. Joking about the Mother Brain Assist Trophy(since it can technically appear on that stage. Exact Words and all), Ridley, or Lava/Magma. However, not the case.

This doesn't disconfirm Ridley, though. Another thing is that he could be talking about what the Pyrosphere is like in Metroid: Other M. Unlikely due to the Direct showing Ridley. I originally was pure neutral, but now I'm leaning towards him being a Stage Hazard(if not only showing up to look cool at best). However, a Conductor Link situation is still reasonable to think of.

That too. It does really seem they gave up on Zoroark when they saw he didn't get nearly as popular as they wanted. I blame his Movie. It had very Little Zoroark in it.

Zoroark was just in a different form.

 

[MasterofMonster]

Well, we all know Sakurai meant Ridley at that time. ^^ But the way he says it can mean literally anything. Everything from 'Will show up every now and then as a hazard', or 'Will be announced anytime now!'. Etc etc. I still Think Sakurai knows very well people wants Ridley, and teases us to Think he won't be in, to make a big(lol) impact when finally shown. I mean, he HAS been teasing Ridley a LOT. I really don't Think he would do that if he was just a hazard. That would be plain-out mean. It was mean when he said ZSS was gone as well, but he came Clean mere seconds after, so that's ok. ^^

Of course he's not confirmed or so, and I don't mean to start a Ridley discussion here (my bad), but really, I just don't Think Sakurai would do all this, hinting at him, showing his shadow, talking about bosses at the same time without actually saying he IS a boss, as to 'make us Think he is, in that way, so that he actually never lied about it'. Sakurai is certanly a troll here!

What if there's a newcomer trailer, and Ridley flies in. BOOM, it's actually Zoroark!

;(

 

[PLATINUM7]

Well, we all know Sakurai meant Ridley at that time. ^^ But the way he says it can mean literally anything. Everything from 'Will show up every now and then as a hazard', or 'Will be announced anytime now!'. Etc etc. I still Think Sakurai knows very well people wants Ridley, and teases us to Think he won't be in, to make a big(lol) impact when finally shown. I mean, he HAS been teasing Ridley a LOT. I really don't Think he would do that if he was just a hazard. That would be plain-out mean. It was mean when he said ZSS was gone as well, but he came Clean mere seconds after, so that's ok. ^^

Of course he's not confirmed or so, and I don't mean to start a Ridley discussion here (my bad), but really, I just don't Think Sakurai would do all this, hinting at him, showing his shadow, talking about bosses at the same time without actually saying he IS a boss, as to 'make us Think he is, in that way, so that he actually never lied about it'. Sakurai is certanly a troll here!

What if there's a newcomer trailer, and Ridley flies in. BOOM, it's actually Zoroark!

;(

Such Ridley
Much Denial

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

If Ridley was both a stage hazard and playable in the same way Toon Link and Conductor Link are, who will take Ridley's place as stage hazard when he's fighting? I doubt it will be Alfonzo...

 

[Heefe]

I really don't want another NEW pokemon... there are way too many already...

 

[Curious Villager]

Yeah I think the movie was partly to blame and this "Zoroark replaced Lucario!" mindset with the fanbase that caused it's low popularity, a shame really. As I personally would have loved to see it join the Smash alongside Lucario and Mewtwo but ah well... :/

 

[Staarih]

If Smash 4 had happened during Pokémon's 5th gen, Zoroark would have been a top-contender. The 6th gen came along just conveniently to skip the 5th gen completely (playable character -wise), much like what happened with 3rd gen. And also the fact that Zoroark never really reached the popularity he was expected to. Sort of a shame really, he's a pretty cool Pokémon. He didn't even get a mega evolution for crying out loud... but maybe that'll happen in OR/AS or the 3rd version of X/Y.

 

[Baskerville]

Yeah I think the movie was partly to blame and this "Zoroark replaced Lucario!" mindset with the fanbase that caused it's low popularity, a shame really. As I personally would have loved to see it join the Smash alongside Lucario and Mewtwo but ah well... :/

You're not alone with this.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well, we all know Sakurai meant Ridley at that time. ^^ But the way he says it can mean literally anything. Everything from 'Will show up every now and then as a hazard', or 'Will be announced anytime now!'. Etc etc. I still Think Sakurai knows very well people wants Ridley, and teases us to Think he won't be in, to make a big(lol) impact when finally shown. I mean, he HAS been teasing Ridley a LOT. I really don't Think he would do that if he was just a hazard. That would be plain-out mean. It was mean when he said ZSS was gone as well, but he came Clean mere seconds after, so that's ok. ^^

Of course he's not confirmed or so, and I don't mean to start a Ridley discussion here (my bad), but really, I just don't Think Sakurai would do all this, hinting at him, showing his shadow, talking about bosses at the same time without actually saying he IS a boss, as to 'make us Think he is, in that way, so that he actually never lied about it'. Sakurai is certanly a troll here!

What if there's a newcomer trailer, and Ridley flies in. BOOM, it's actually Zoroark!

;(

Eh, no. I don't think he did. The English Miiverse post was too vague to mean Ridley. Lava/Magma and Mother Brain were both completely reasonable to think of, especially once the AT was shown of her. I actually thought of Lava/Magma at the time myself.

The Japanese Miiverse post is actually blatant who it is. The English one made you think instead.

And yeah, the teasing is ridiculous. Honestly, if he was a Stage Hazard(and definitely not playable), he should've just revealed him doing an attack(and coming out of the hole to show he's a Hazard too, since an attack isn't good enough to prove it), it's a little odd he is doing more hinting than anything else. Or that he teases him without revealing him so much that people really really wonder why. That, and he's highly favorable as playable, like, on Charizard levels. People really wanted him back, but weren't sure he was guaranteed.(a good reason is that besides Pikachu and Jigglypuff, we never had any playable Pokemon from the earlier game playable. So repeating what Brawl did and removing everyone but the first two was a theory people thought could happen.)

 

[Curious Villager]

He didn't even get a mega evolution for crying out loud... but maybe that'll happen in OR/AS or the 3rd version of X/Y.

I think that was partly because his Illusion ability would probably become a little obsolete or something if one wanted to activate the Mega Stone.

But yeah, I think we are kinda drifting off topic though, sorry about that, I'm partly to blame. ^^;

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

I still Think Sakurai knows very well people wants Ridley, and teases us to Think he won't be in, to make a big(lol) impact when finally shown. I mean, he HAS been teasing Ridley a LOT. I really don't Think he would do that if he was just a hazard. That would be plain-out mean. It was mean when he said ZSS was gone as well, but he came Clean mere seconds after, so that's ok. ^^

Of course he's not confirmed or so, and I don't mean to start a Ridley discussion here (my bad), but really, I just don't Think Sakurai would do all this, hinting at him, showing his shadow, talking about bosses at the same time without actually saying he IS a boss, as to 'make us Think he is, in that way, so that he actually never lied about it'. Sakurai is certanly a troll here!

There's already a difference in teasing ZSS and Ridley...ZSS was after a few seconds while Ridley would have been way too long. Also, he says ZSS isn't returning, then that he's kidding out loud while not doing the same for Ridley.

I should also mention that Japanese people generally use implied meanings more while Americans generally are more outspoken and direct with their messages. That means they will speak around issues and assume you know what they are trying to get across. It really wouldn't be too surprising if the Ridley "tease" as a boss hazard is just that.

 

[GamerGuy09]

If we are getting a Pokemon besides MewTwo, it will be Sceptile. It makes the most sense for the Water, Fire, Grass starters. And he now has a Mega Evolution.

 

[PLATINUM7]

If we are getting a Pokemon besides MewTwo, it will be Sceptile. It makes the most sense for the Water, Fire, Grass starters. And he now has a Mega Evolution.

What about Jigglypuff?

 

[MasterofMonster]

@ MewtwoMaster2002
lol, I just mentioned that the ZSS thing was different, though.

@ Verde Coeden Scalesworth
Indeed. Sakurai is really mean if all Ridley is is a boss/hazard, after all the teasing. But, I CAN see Ridley being shown as a boss during the Digital Event, then surprise-revealed as Sakurai's character when fighting the Winner of the tournament (which better happen, I wanna see Sakurai crush him!)

@ PLATINUM7
I have reasons to Believe Ridley is playable. It would be nice if people wouldn't call it 'denial', when there's a fact that he's not confirmed for anything specific yet. Thank you.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Indeed. Sakurai is really mean if all Ridley is is a boss/hazard, after all the teasing. But, I CAN see Ridley being shown as a boss during the Digital Event, then surprise-revealed as Sakurai's character when fighting the Winner of the tournament (which better happen, I wanna see Sakurai crush him!)

Doesn't Sakurai still have hand trouble?

Also, unless those "Boss-style Stage Hazards" are playable or you can face them as a special thing, I don't think they really are actual Stage Bosses, but Stage Hazards that used a boss for it. Albeit, it depends how you define that term, but I find it misleading at this time, since Yellow Devil acts like a Stage Hazard. The issue I have with it is he's identical to the Pokemon in Saffron City in concept and mostly the same in execution. Shows up, damages you, you can hurt it in some way. The boss part doesn't mean anything. I think there might be more to it, though. He doesn't really call it a Stage Boss anyway. That's just a nickname(and as I said, misleading).

 

[MasterofMonster]

@ Verde Coeden Scalesworth
He does. But Sakurai is damn stubborn. He did win the MegaMan battle last year. I can totally see him showing up to fight this time as well. I do want to see that, but I don't want his hands to get worse. :/

And yeah, I just call them Bosses, since they are, well, bosses. Working like hazards you can fight back to. ^^

 

[PLATINUM7]

Doesn't Sakurai still have hand trouble?

Also, unless those "Boss-style Stage Hazards" are playable or you can face them as a special thing, I don't think they really are actual Stage Bosses, but Stage Hazards that used a boss for it. Albeit, it depends how you define that term, but I find it misleading at this time, since Yellow Devil acts like a Stage Hazard. The issue I have with it is he's identical to the Pokemon in Saffron City in concept and mostly the same in execution. Shows up, damages you, you can hurt it in some way. The boss part doesn't mean anything. I think there might be more to it, though. He doesn't really call it a Stage Boss anyway. That's just a nickname(and as I said, misleading).

Well its not identical. The explosion after its defeat counts as an attack for the player who defeated it. It also seems to divert the focus of the match much more than what the Pokemon on Saffron City can do. Not to mention it acts more like a boss than a hazard/enemy.
I really don't get how people don't see it as a boss. Just because it appears in normal VS. matches its not a boss? If it was in Boss Battles or Classic or some other third thing everyone would be calling it a boss.
pls don't make me give the definition of a video game boss

 

[MasterofMonster]

Well, the Yellow Devil is a Boss, in many ways. A Boss that works like a random (as far as we know) Stage Hazzard. It's simple, really. ^^

Plus, you can call it a squeaky cat toy if you want. It won't change what it does, so it's officiall name is irrelavent.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well its not identical. The explosion after its defeat counts as an attack for the player who defeated it. It also seems to divert the focus of the match much more than what the Pokemon on Saffron City can do. Not to mention it acts more like a boss than a hazard/enemy.
I really don't get how people don't see it as a boss. Just because it appears in normal VS. matches its not a boss? If it was in Boss Battles or Classic or some other third thing everyone would be calling it a boss.
pls don't make me give the definition of a video game boss

Yes, that's exactly why it doesn't count as a real boss. Bosses are specific things to single player mode and that's what made them notable. You, and sometimes a partner, fought special characters that has a specialized moveset. He's a stage hazard in every way. And you didn't read my post properly. They're the exact same concept(an enemy that appears to attack the player), but the execution is a little different. Exploding is barely a difference in the examples. He's just an annoying hazard at this point. Unless Sakurai can show him as extremely different, and not just with being able to do a bit more damage. The fact he's a boss at the same time isn't much relevant unless he provides a much more unique concept than "I'm like a stage hazard!"

@ Verde Coeden Scalesworth
He does. But Sakurai is damn stubborn. He did win the MegaMan battle last year. I can totally see him showing up to fight this time as well. I do want to see that, but I don't want his hands to get worse. :/

Wasn't that before his injury? I worry about him.

And yeah, I just call them Bosses, since they are, well, bosses. Working like hazards you can fight back to. ^^

Eh, they're just random enemies to me. Single Player Mode is what defines bosses for me as is. Not showing up in multiplayer. Outside of playing purely as a boss or playing in a multiplayer boss mode specifically. Closest we ever had to a boss in a multiplayer match is some Final Smashes while being You(in Final Smash mode) VS other players. I.E. Giga Bowser. You could slightly do it in Melee/64 by playing as a Boss using a cheat device. But yeah, I stand that Bosses are always a Single Player Mode thing. Bar an actual unique gameplay difference(which Yellow Devil literally acts like a Stage Hazard, just better than most).

 

[MasterofMonster]

No, he's had that injury for years, I Believe. :/ It's simply gotten worse and worse. Poor guy. Creating a moveset for Ridley has made his injury BIGGER.

Also, I'd say that they are certanly Bosses no matter when they appear, but it's a silly thing to argue about, so I don't mind what you prefer them as. I just hope there are not TOO many, but still enough to not seem too exclusive.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Yes, that's exactly why it doesn't count as a real boss. Bosses are specific things to single player mode and that's what made them notable. You, and sometimes a partner, fought special characters that has a specialized moveset. He's a stage hazard in every way. And you didn't read my post properly. They're the exact same concept(an enemy that appears to attack the player), but the execution is a little different. Exploding is barely a difference in the examples. He's just an annoying hazard at this point. Unless Sakurai can show him as extremely different, and not just with being able to do a bit more damage. The fact he's a boss at the same time isn't much relevant unless he provides a much more unique concept than "I'm like a stage hazard!"


Wasn't that before his injury? I worry about him.


Eh, they're just random enemies to me. Single Player Mode is what defines bosses for me as is. Not showing up in multiplayer. Outside of playing purely as a boss or playing in a multiplayer boss mode specifically. Closest we ever had to a boss in a multiplayer match is some Final Smashes while being You(in Final Smash mode) VS other players. I.E. Giga Bowser. You could slightly do it in Melee/64 by playing as a Boss using a cheat device. But yeah, I stand that Bosses are always a Single Player Mode thing. Bar an actual unique gameplay difference(which Yellow Devil literally acts like a Stage Hazard, just better than most).

I was being real technical about the use of the word exactly.
Also, why are bosses all of a sudden exclusive to single player modes?

And being able to do a bit more damage is one of the things that makes enemies a boss in the first place. Other things that point to Yellow Devil being a boss include it's size, the time or effort needed to kill it and whether or not it just disappears after a certain amount of time.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I was being real technical about the use of the word exactly.
Also, why are bosses all of a sudden exclusive to single player modes?

And being able to do a bit more damage is one of the things that makes enemies a boss in the first place. Other things that point to Yellow Devil being a boss include it's size, the time or effort needed to kill it and whether or not it just disappears after a certain amount of time.

It does not make them a boss by doing more damage. Electrode was no boss in Saffron City period. He's just a regular enemy. Damage doesn't matter. We have seen nothing to make him a legitimately different mechanic from any previous stage hazard period. Shows up, attacks, is annoying, dies. Many characters are invincible while doing this. We have two different kinds of stage hazards, one that uses an enemy, and one that doesn't. This is just Saffron City all over again in concept, with barely a different execution at this point.

I stand he's not a "Boss" by any real definition of SSB gameplay itself. And yes, Bosses are exclusive to Single Player mode at all times. That was always the case. If they're in multiplayer, they ceased to be a boss. They're something else. Also, a Boss is a character you directly fight that may be exclusive to a stage(at best) but isn't literally part of the stage, at least in Fighting games. Yellow Devil has zero traits of the actual SSB Bosses. You don't fight him solely, you fight other people and then him. Every Boss in SSB History is the only ones you can fight. Giga Bowser's Event Mode is treating him like a regular(but higher power character). He's even weakened in that fight just to show that. He's only strong in Adventure Mode, where he's a special boss you have to unlock by meeting a condition.

Regardless, I stand it isn't a "Stage Boss" since you don't fight him all the time(bar K.O.'ing), and most Stage Hazards return anyway, especially enemy-based ones. He fits the mold of a Hazard. In addition, actual Bosses have character or boss files in the game. Yellow Devil needs to have a separate "Boss" file to count as that too.

No, he's had that injury for years, I Believe. :/ It's simply gotten worse and worse. Poor guy. Creating a moveset for Ridley has made his injury BIGGER.

...Do you mean in Brawl? I don't know how the (actual) Boss' movesets work. I know Melee's was regular controls or D-Pad for Master Hand and Crazy Hand.

 

[MasterofMonster]

@ Verde Coeden Scalesworth
lol, that was suppose to be a joke about Smash 4 Ridley being so big, his moveset-Creation destroyed Sakurai's hand.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@ Verde Coeden Scalesworth
lol, that was suppose to be a joke about Smash 4 Ridley being so big, his moveset-Creation destroyed Sakurai's hand.

Couldn't even tell. To be fair, no smiley. I couldn't tell the "too big" part, to be fair. I totally misread that.

And heh. Nice.

 

[PLATINUM7]

It does not make them a boss by doing more damage. Electrode was no boss in Saffron City period. He's just a regular enemy. Damage doesn't matter. We have seen nothing to make him a legitimately different mechanic from any previous stage hazard period. Shows up, attacks, is annoying, dies. Many characters are invincible while doing this. We have two different kinds of stage hazards, one that uses an enemy, and one that doesn't. This is just Saffron City all over again in concept, with barely a different execution at this point.

I stand he's not a "Boss" by any real definition of SSB gameplay itself. And yes, Bosses are exclusive to Single Player mode at all times. That was always the case. If they're in multiplayer, they ceased to be a boss. They're something else. Also, a Boss is a character you directly fight that may be exclusive to a stage(at best) but isn't literally part of the stage, at least in Fighting games. Yellow Devil has zero traits of the actual SSB Bosses. You don't fight him solely, you fight other people and then him. Every Boss in SSB History is the only ones you can fight. Giga Bowser's Event Mode is treating him like a regular(but higher power character). He's even weakened in that fight just to show that. He's only strong in Adventure Mode, where he's a special boss you have to unlock by meeting a condition.

Regardless, I stand it isn't a "Stage Boss" since you don't fight him all the time(bar K.O.'ing), and most Stage Hazards return anyway, especially enemy-based ones. He fits the mold of a Hazard. In addition, actual Bosses have character or boss files in the game. Yellow Devil needs to have a separate "Boss" file to count as that too.


...Do you mean in Brawl? I don't know how the (actual) Boss' movesets work. I know Melee's was regular controls or D-Pad for Master Hand and Crazy Hand.

tl;dr We disagree with each other.
I'm way too tired to continue with this fruitless and off topic argument.

I still think he's a boss
He might be different to conventional Smash bosses but he's still a boss.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

tl;dr We disagree with each other.
I'm way too tired to continue with this fruitless and off topic argument.

I still think he's a boss

Best Stage Hazard ever.

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

So if bosses are solely in single player, if you decide to do co-op play in SSE or Boss Battles, are they no longer bosses?

 

[PLATINUM7]

So if bosses are solely in single player, if you decide to do co-op play in SSE or Boss Battles, are they no longer bosses?

PLS, don't start it again.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

So if bosses are solely in single player, if you decide to do co-op play in SSE or Boss Battles, are they no longer bosses?

Single Player Mode. The SSE and Boss Battles are strictly in Single Player Mode. The ability to co-op doesn't change that. It's still controlled by the first player as the mode itself.

I did specify Mode more than once for a particular reason. Actual Boss Battles never showed up outside of Single Player Mode, period.