#HBC | FrozeηFlame
The sample role PM for traitor is the same win con as regular scum team. So it Is just an informed additional number.
I think you're misunderstanding my point. I wasn't saying that traitor doesn't share the mafia team wincon, I was saying that the traitor slot does not count as a "living mafia player" for purposes of calculating when town gets endgamed, which is usually coupled with the rule that traitor GETS endgamed when all other living, non-traitor, scum slots are dead. Make sense?
I think it's a possibility, but I'm not entirely sold. I do think that Raxx is the much scummier of the two and has very much tied his slot to Xivii, but that could be WIFOMy. Unfortunately a Raxx lynch won't get us much information, and I'm loathe to lynch someone due to an irl situation before a replacement can arrive
I vibed with this take, I'm feeling very similar about fonti/raxx as possible plays
Why are you trying to force Fonti to give her reads, you have never done this in any other game I played with you. Also last time I saw you do a readlist last game in Wisp's read game you did not do it the way he wanted. Imo you feel like that you are trying to look more town then normal by doing things that people should townread.
"forcing" fonti to give her reads? where was this forcing exactly? this comes off a bit chainsaw-y, where is this impassioned faith in fonti's strategy to strategically hide reads for some kind of future payoff coming from?
Looks like attempted pocketing to me.
can you explain what you meant by "pocketing" here? like do you mean scum buddying/ingratiating a townie?
I don't really see that much difference in Trisscars play. They were aggressive last game day 1, just in a different way. They also were mechanic heavy which I see here. Light town lean on Trisscar.
On the other hand Xivii has been playing way different than last game, which I don't think is alignment indicative at his level of play. His constant remarks of his actions being towney is weird, since pointing it out gives no benefit. Pointing stuff out only is useful if town doesn't know that the actions are towny, and then its still not useful because why should they trust you saying your own actions are towny. Xivii also was pushing Laserguy pretty hard early, then recently said the votes on Laserguy were weird. I might of missed some progression here, apologies if you explained this. Xivii could you explain your shift from Laserguy? Light scum read on Xivii.
I wasn't really able to get a good impression of Laserguy's play last game since he died so early, but I don't see the scum links here. Laserguy has seemed to be methodical, and I agree with his take in post
#216 about Pit. Other than that I didn't notice much about him in the read through.
Fonti's vote of laserguy looks really weird to me, as they made a whole post going in on Jack, then dipped out to vote on Laser with little explanation. Fonti could you explain that more? Apologies again if I missed it.
this catchup post is a bit underwhelming tbh, mostly meta based reads and a bit of a prod into one slot's rationale for a vote? I mean its better than anything raxx gave us but not really feeling any better about this slot
I think it's possibly genuine. If she realized that the fact that she isn't Jack's partner makes the point invalid. I lean more toward it not being genuine however and intentionally made to look like townie-like live-thinking.
I don't think meta is necessary. It's an easy avenue of attack in general.
re: the Fonti analysis, your impression here is also the impression I got, it felt kneejerky but easily "blended" as spotaneous whimsical townieness. and def agreed that baseline deviation nitpicking is a low hanging fruit for scum, was hoping maybe you had meta evidence to show we've seen it from this player before
I'd only be willing to execute Fonti or Raxxel as it stands. I think we would get a lot out of Fonti's flip and her progression on slots doesn't feel natural. Her reads seem informed. Raxxel was playing exactly to his scum meta and his defense on me also appeared informed.
seems like you me and darkpit have similar feelings on these options
btw Fonti and Triss female pronouns, somi male pronouns
super helpful btw ty
-Frozen (btw mate your name is bloody hard to use the @ function with XD ) Has so far done well in the informative sense with their posts, despite there being few of them.
lmao sorry about the HBC tag, I know that struggle, we used to have games with multiple HBC players in it at once, was such a pain to tag everyone
also nothing in your reads list jumps out as suss to me so thanks for solidifying that town read
These are going to be quick responses, so there may be things I misremember.
1. I would not dunk on a partner d1, like you accused me of doing with Jack. Wins with the full team alive are vastly preferable to going to late game alone. I do distance, but I prefer more conversational style distancing than fullblown cases and fights, which are easy to see through in late game. I also just don't think I do what I did with reversing my read on Jack in general, expect explicitly to pocket people who know me. Like, I could see scum!me doing it as a play for towncred, but I'm also very aware of how poorly people can react to perceived inconsistency, so as scum with a group that does not know my townplay at all, I prefer to just be a consistent "scumhunting" force, pushing town towards fighting town. There's no need for fancy plays to fake inconsistency in a townie way, if that makes sense. I think the fairest thing you did was link me and somi, because getting a town to justify their townread on a partner and cement that read in their head is something I absolutely do as scum.
ugh this is so gross, I hate it when veteran players do this. Do you really think anyone is that naive as to believe that you would sell out your scum playbook just to buy some possible town cred in a single game? this is so WIFOM and gross like it really doesn't deserve serious consideration. Sayin you would dunk on a scummate D1 is patently absurb, if you know what you're doing there will always be a game where one of your partners is begging for the noose and a hard bus is absolutely the prudent move. I haven't played with you much if ever before and just from what I've seen in this game I can tell you're a player of a caliber above this kind of nonsense reasoning. Selling out your ability to play to wincon as non-town faction to look like you're so dedicated to your town meta that you MUST be town in a given game is just bad play regardless of alignment tbh
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#HBC | FrozeηFlame
I've actually already given an NSG read, it's here:
Here are some follow up thoughts on NSG:
This is an OMGUS. A lot of people call OMGUSing scummy. This is because a lot of people like having easy tells and buzz words to throw at other players. OMGUSing in this case is not scummy, it is instead a sign NSG is town here, because he is assuming that Laser is out to mis!yeet him and reacting accordingly. He sees Laser's push on him not as a case someone could believe, but as a potential conspiracy against someone new to site, and that feeling of persecution is a town mindset.
I've been told that my reads come off as, uh, monolithic before, like I've come to these conclusions and nothing can sway me. So, I'm going to pause and say that even though I strongly believe NSG is town, I am not 100% on it and I always open to discussion about it.
Anyway:
This is also town. It expands on the OMGUS from earlier, as NSG tries to figure out exactly how he's being set up. The scumread gets stronger, because it's been bouncing around in his head and he talked himself into it more and more. The "I COULD scream out my role to prove my innocence" basically never comes from new scum, it's the pure frustrating of knowing you're town and not getting how everyone else isn't seeing it on an emotional level. He logically gets that he's new, and people don't know him to know how to townread him, but emotionally he's town, and he knows it, and that frustration is seeping through his posts.
but then this is a really solid take, the OMGUS analysis is pretty clean here and hard to see scum intent in. I feel like im going to be stuck waffling on you, your content is so mixed to me
This is just my town meta. As town, I am ignorant of each person's alignment and my hopping around reflects that. It shows that I am trying to figure things out. As scum, It's hard to fake ignorance and so I feign confidence and tunnel.
frankly xiivi all of the above re: fonti doing this applies similarly to you. you're better than this kind of play, and its a little insulting that you expect any of us to take you at face value with these kind of arguments
It makes me wonder if they would actually stay on this Lynch and not find a way to cycle off and try and spin it elsewhere. Since Mala has replaced inthe two have put opposing scum reads on one another. Xivii was suss of Raxx beforehand, but I still at some level see patterns of connection here. I think Xivii knows a Raxx Lynch is unlikely due to Mala replacing late toDay. Maybe one sided, maybe both. But I 100% feel there is scum here.
can you clarify what you mean here when you say there is 100% scum here? Are you saying between the two slots you're 100% confident one of xiivi/raxx slots is scum?
Vote: Extension
UtopianPoyzin
are you considering replacing 3DSNinja at all and if so how would a replacement for his slot affect our deadline today if at all?
Is anyone else as concerned as me about how somitomi has somehow accomplished to fall even farther into the background the closer we get to deadline?
Malakandra
for catching up quickly and putting an overall game feel out.
