Why Rajam and Malakandra Are Scummates
ok jokes aside, I began reading the game today and should be caught up in a day or two. Regarding the NKill I have some questions:
- Was it luck Mafia got the cop, or did NSG crumb at some point?
Usually Mafia NKills target one of the next:
- Players with good reputation
- Power Roles
- Players with good ongoing reads
- Inactives or weak townies in order to prevent leaving trails
From what I've read NSG seems like a new guy, not specially a strong one. If Mafia just got lucky hitting a PR it means Mafia went the inactive/weak townie route, which also means the strong townie players have, most likely, wrong reads (there is always the possibility the 'strong townie' players are scum, but that's always an option regardless of w/e we think)
Tunnel vision would be a reason why you're still alive. As someone who is townreading you, and seemingly an universal town-read from yersterDay, I'm telling you: drop the tunnel, look somewhere else. Scum left you alive for a reason: you were wrong
While reading the beginning of D2 I started to think a bit more about the NKill, because.... it's dumb af. I mean scum just lost the only guy who could've messed with fontisian's claim. Fontisian is obviously very good at this game, and with roleblocker gone his towniness was gonna be 100% confirmed. Why leave fontisian alive?
Even if you don't believe nothing of what I just said, you have to admit leaving confirmed-town-fontisian alive isn't the cleverest move by scum's side. And it makes you wonder what the hell was scum thinking.
I've been thinking about why Rajam is so obsessed with this. Night Kill Analysis is fruitless. There's nothing at all to gain from these. I think the reason he made these is that he is trying to distance himself from NSG kill by pretending that he didn't know NSG soft claimed (thus implying that he couldn't have been the one to do the kill). So he is making a show of the power-players-are-wrong theory. He keeps reiterating that not killing Fonti was a dumb kill, but it really wasn't at all. In the latter two quotes, Rajam had caught up to the point where NSG soft claimed, he knew that was the reason he was killed, so his belief that the night kill didn't make sense is incomprehensible.
Furthermore, Rajam made the first post at the start of the day but had just begun to read Day 1 so it doesn't make sense for him to have come up with this theory without yet having read through to see if there was some reason NSG was killed. This is a timeframe/perspective slip. He can't simultaneously believe NSG was a weird kill without having read through to see NSG's play.
Trisscar didnt like at first
This is another example of scum filler, like I pointed out with Mala. This is such a consistent scumtell. Scum feel the need to show the full progression of their thoughts, whereas when a townie post a read on someone, they just state their current read, and only provide progression when it's actually warranted (for example if they had verbalized a strongly different read before or if the player they are speaking of was on the hot seat). There's no reason at all for Rajam to include this line here other than to give off the impression that he is isn't informed.
Alright now let's show Mala's questionable progression on Rajam D2:
Vote Rajam
Yeeteth deleteth.
This is after I called for a flash yeet. Mala put Rajam at L-2 and stayed on him throughout the next irl day and after he was put at L-1. He expressed confidence in the read here:
I'm pretty confident about Raj, here. I think the FF lynch has given is the momentum and by the post Fonti pointed out it seems like scum think they were at a big disadvantage even before FF was yeeted, so their motivation has to be low right now. Should be a nice cleanup for us.
Rajam, you seem to have been ignoring the wagon against you and the points for it. Do you have anything to say in defense of yourself?
Which I don't know why he would have. I believe my hard push on Rajam and calling for a flash yeet put Mala in a position where he felt he needed to hard bus. The
nice cleanup line stood out to me initially when he posted it. It's a bus line (or in the case of town!Rajam, an opportunistic line. Either way it's informed and not town).
Later on when the Rajam wagon was finding some relief and I was exploring Z25, Chaco, and Boom, Mala's disposition towards Rajam changed:
W/e Rajam is getting yeeted toDay anyway.
I still would like for him to be able to catch up all the way to present first, even if Xivii seems to think thats unlikely.
Fair enough, feels a bit wrong to yeet someone, even if they are scum, before they catch up all the way and have time to lie interact. But if Rajam isn't going to get all the way caught up then its ok I guess.
He went from confidently wanting to flash yeet him, comfortable with him being at L-1, to subtly trying to dissuade it.
And then near the end where we are pushing Boom yeet, he goes in for the last dab of distance:
Why Boom over Rajam?
I get what you are saying there, but Rajam has also had some really bad posts. His recent readslist for example where he does the exact same thing as FF for example, and hasn't really done anything town. I think they are likely both to be scum, but no point in risking if Boom is town and he claims either narrowing the NK pool for scum or worse.
This completely contradicts his view above about wanting Rajam to catch up. And the reasoning in this post is all over the place. It's a mash of words that doesn't actually describe why Rajam should be yeeted over Boom.
Back to Rajam:
Z25 and ExLight replace in, although super late. They see in the mafia chat frozen's observation regarding who's the neapolitan and decide to go with it. Probably due to time constraints didn't properly consider the implications of fonti's claim and leaving her(?) alive. I know, ironic, i fit in there too, blah blah. w/e
The entirety of this post is completely nonsensical from the perspective of a townie. I'm inclined to agree with LaserGuy and think that scum!Rajam is describing a truthful situation. Only it wasn't ExLight and Z25, but him and Malakandra.
Side note: If UP forgot to change the wording in the scum PMs, it makes sense why Mala thought there was no day chat and also goes along with Rajam's confusion of Frozen being the only one chatting in the scum chat.
Frozen's comment about Malakandra seems to me more of an attempt to open a 'scumhunt' route instead of a distancing attempt. Makes me feel better about Malakandra. Sum to that the previous quote I put of DarkPit; Malakandra is town guys
No it doesn't.
Some final comments on Mala:
Screams into the endless void
Couldn't you have just posted this a little earlier so I didn't have to wake up to this crap, gah.
Like, we get it, your town man, you don't have to do all this. Like scum Xivii has no reason to out that he got away with being cleared, except to make me feel better about myself for being right about the claim being easily faked, even if I was wrong about alignment, but yah, no actual reason to admit this. Not even sure if I should bother to try to read Xivii rationally in the future, but whatever. Your town this game and thats all that matters for this game. Now time to read the 2 pages worth of content this must have spawned, maybe something good will come out of this whole mess after all.
But like seriously, why do you do this? Like, the idea was dumb in the first place, if we had an actual chocolate townie and you walked your claim back you would have been the yeet day 1.
This seems to me like an overreaction. No one had a reaction like this. Based on it's over the top nature, I'm inclined to believe that Mala already knew that I wasn't Chocolate. Or maybe they thought there was a traitor? shrug. Regardless, Mala was the only one who immediately declared me as strong town for the Chocolate retraction, and I believe it's coming from a place of TMI.
and if he was nightkilled, and he flipped not chocolate, I can't even guess how much paranoia and confusion that would cause,
@Malakandra how would my death have caused paranoia and confusion?
You can see it in how he started off after Xivii claimed by still thinking Xivii was town, but attacking Xivii's reasoning and logic. When Xivii held that his reasoning was sound, Chaco then started looking for other reasons and came across Xivii being scum. Thats natural thought progression.
@Malakandra can you rephrase this. I don't understand it.
Lastly, Jackrito:
Part of me wants to lynch Raxx, before the replacement comes in because of not wanting last game to repeat itself, where I backed off a lynch on Z25 because of them having personal issues, even though thinking they were scum. The result of this was Fonti replacing in and pocketing me hard and messed up my lynch attempts.
Just saw Mala replaced in already, but my view stands the same in regards to that slot unless Mala does something amazing to change my view.
Raxxel had like five posts at this time, but Jack was willing to yeet him? This is not like town!Jack at all. It's not like town!anyone at all. And is indicative of hard distancing, similar to how Jack interacted with LaserGuy in Oasis.
Xivii
How far does your rule for bussing extend? Would you not vote for a teammate at all? Or just not actually lynch them?
