Mewtwo changes Patch 1.1.5

[Chiroz]

Please post anything you notice and we will test and confirm whether it's true.



Things I've noticed:

Mewtwo weight buffed by 2 - Now dies 2-3% later (tested about 6 different kill moves).



CONFIRMED:

Mewtwo now weighs 74 (up from 72)
Mewtwo runs faster than Sheik but slower than Greninja - 2.05 (up from 1.9)
N-Air Multi-Hitboxes Size increased from 2.3->3
U-Smash Endlag reduced - 73->68

 

[King*Krool]

He seems to have gotten another movement speed (run) buff. Need someone else to confirm, but very noticeable.

 

[Chiroz]

He seems to have gotten another movement speed (run) buff. Need someone else to confirm, but very noticeable.

Confirmed. Mewtwo now runs faster than Sheik but slower than Greninja.

I would say he is about 2.02 speed but I am just eye balling it, no hard code or evidence. This puts Mewtwo at 7th in run speed.



Mewtwo seems to have gotten a very, very slight walk speed buff according to some very trustworthy sources, but as far as my own tests go, Palutena is still very slightly faster so that would put Mewtwo somewhere in between 1.2 and 1.21 walk speed.

 

[J2_]

We top 20 now? I can't think of anything else that Mewtwo needs now that he got the weight buff we've been asking for.

 

[Chiroz]

We top 20 now? I can't think of anything else that Mewtwo needs now that he got the weight buff we've been asking for.

It isn't exactly the buff weight we've been asking for. We die 1-3% later from moves depending on how much knockback the move has. It isn't that big of a deal.

But something is something :3.

The movespeed buff though, goddamn are we fast now.

 

[Metros]

https://twitter.com/SilentDo0m/status/709965378869456897

 

[Mighty_ChaotiX]

I think his nair comes out a little earlier, something that was anoying me for a while... any anyone else check? (used to come out on frame 7) i alway felt like the hitbox came later than the lightning but now hitbox/animation seems synchro...

Edit

 

[Chiroz]

https://twitter.com/SilentDo0m/status/709965378869456897

Yes, he runs very slightly faster than her. I tested that already.

 

[godogod]

Damn. This patch came out of no where. I have to go to bed cause i got work tomorrow early so I can't even ****ing test, let alone download the patch.

Anyone know if...
-any damage increases to any of his moves
-down throw combos?
-changes to shadowball like hitbox while charging, knocks people hanging on ledge like Lucario(meh)
-range on up tilt and up up air
-end lag decreases on anything
-anything on disable(more range?)
-buffs to grab like range and on shorter characters
-knockback increase/decrease on throws
gonna go to bed. Thanks for testing everything so far guys

 

[ZombieVito]

2 weight buff?

 

[Chiroz]

This could be completely placebo but I think his tail attacks have something different. IDK what it is but B-Air seems different. almost as if it comes out faster, but I cannot tell really.

 

[Pretty Chunky Princess]

Was disable always this much longer than fsmash? Ignore DKWill's commentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3Yp0xLC0UU

 

[Chiroz]

Was disable always this much longer than fsmash? Ignore DKWill's commentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3Yp0xLC0UU

Yes, Disable was longer than F-Smash. F-Smash is barely out of range there (You can tell by the wind effect on Corrin's cape).

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Yes the buff we've all been praying for.

 

[Yonder]

Did someone say "nair?" [So seriously, someone said nair was better in the social thread. Their placebo was right]

Mewtwo https://www.diffchecker.com/2zuvx1om

Nair:
All hitboxes except final one size increased from 2.3 -> 3

 

[Swoops]

Chiroz , anybody else, you see this?

Mewtwo

Nair:

• All hitboxes except final one size increased from 2.3 -> 3

EDIT: lmao, ninja'd

 

[Chiroz]

Did someone say "nair?" [So seriously, someone said nair was better in the social thread. Their placebo was right]

Mewtwo https://www.diffchecker.com/2zuvx1om

Nair:
All hitboxes except final one size increased from 2.3 -> 3

Damn I wrote this change down in my notebook as my #2 most wanted change with these exact numbers.

If only U-Air started 2 frames earlier, hahahaha

 

[dreamastermind]

Side B is faster isn't it. I don't remember it ending so quick.

 

[Chiroz]

Side B is faster isn't it. I don't remember it ending so quick.

I don't think so, but I'll test on my 3DS

Edit: NM, it's not in my home. Anyone else care to test?

 

[Eight_SixtyFour]

Can Mewtwo cancel Shadowball into shield earlier now? It seems like it, but it might be placebo. I remember him being unable to cancel it as early as Samus, Lucario, WFT, etc, but I'm not sure.

I don't think Side-B is faster.

 

[LRodC]

Wow, I didn't expect Mewtwo to get even faster. And with a small weight buff too. I would've preferred an even 75, but I'll take what I can get.

 

[BlastLine99]

Has there been any changes to Mewtwo's Bair? It just seems like it's connecting better, but that may be due to the new movement speed throwing me off.

 

[Chiroz]

Has there been any changes to Mewtwo's Bair? It just seems like it's connecting better, but that may be due to the new movement speed throwing me off.

I also feel this but I have seen no confirmation on it. It feels like it starts 1 frame sooner to me or just the hitbox was slightly shifted downwards or something. I seem to be connecting it better against opponents underneath me.

 

[BlastLine99]

I also feel this but I have seen no confirmation on it. It feels like it starts 1 frame sooner to me or just the hitbox was slightly shifted downwards or something. I seem to be connecting it better against opponents underneath me.

That's what I've been noticing. Would be nice if it's true.

 

[Chiroz]

I am pretty certain we couldn't hit *anyone* if you B-Aired immediately after jumping (like the very next frame), now we are able to hit a little more than 1/2th of the cast with the tipper hitbox and about 1/4th of the cast with the middle hitbox.

Can anyone confirm this couldn't be done prepatch?



Also, anyone else feel like U-Tilt can hit much better behind us? It also has a tipper hitbox behind us that I don't recall ever landing before at all.

 

[Mr. B]

HOLY JESUS COW BURGERS. A PATCH!

I have loads of phone calls I need to make during my lunch hour, but I fear none of them will happen as I race home to test these... Weight buff! Speed buff! NAir buff! Possible BAir fixing! I am so happy! :D

Raykz, I have been able to get BAirs to hit immediately after jumping, but I found the timing to be very strict. If that is now resolved, my playstyle will pick it up, since I still have residual muscle memory from BAir walling in Melee, and I still find myself making those inputs and failing 95% of the time in Sm4sh. If I see that improving to 50% or more, I will be convinced its not a placebo.

 

[BlazGreen]

The buffs are nice but I think the top tiers getting nerfed indirectly buffs him more than what he's got here.

It's good either way.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

So Mewtwo's weight got increased to 74? Not good enough if you asked me, because you're still lighter than Mr. Game & Watch. Frankly, I feel that only Jigglypuff should be lighter than the resident of Flat Zone.

End of personal rant.

 

[Top Boss]

I heard someone say that teleport doesn't bounce off of the stage as easily now. could someone test this?

 

[LRodC]

So Mewtwo's weight got increased to 74? Not good enough if you asked me, because you're still lighter than Mr. Game & Watch. Frankly, I feel that only Jigglypuff should be lighter than the resident of Flat Zone.

End of personal rant.

This is so arbitrary. Who cares if it barely makes sense? It's Smash. Rosalina's a heavyweight in Mario Kart yet she's only 77 weight here. Olimar is the size of a penny, yet he's heavier than both of them. Logic may sometimes go out the window in favor of character balance and archetypes. It's what makes a fighting game a fighting game.

Also, is there a source on up smash having earlier FAF?

Edit: Saw the post. Awesome.

 

[Xandercosm]

There is no way you could possibly doubt Mewtwo's viability at this point. Congrats guys! I've been watching the Mewtwo meta for a while now and I'm so happy to see how far he's come!

 

[Aninymouse]

STRAIGHT TO ****ING HIGH TIER LADS

I've been waiting for this moment since 2001!

 

[Exegguter]

My prayers have been answered ;__;

Finanally ;_;

 

[E.Lopez]

Happy day! Two of my favorite characters got buffed (Samus and Mewtwo).

 

[Chiroz]

I heard someone say that teleport doesn't bounce off of the stage as easily now. could someone test this?

Already tested this. He bounces just the same. Teleport still has that weird float thing and it also seems to lag the same on landing.

 

[Xandercosm]

Mewtwo is beginning to look pretty appealing to me...

 

[LRodC]

A lot of people have been saying that Mewtwo could possibly be a high tier character/top 20... I wonder how much truth there is to that? I don't want to get too optimistic at the moment but that would be incredible if it ended up that way. I can see it.

 

[Sonicninja115]

Usmaash ending lag decreased to 68 from 73.

 

[Yonder]

Usmaash ending lag decreased to 68 from 73.

Seriously? Oh hell yeah. This one is one of the bigger ones for me. Is it noticeable? Cause if you whiff a u smash with M2 usually...you're done.

 

[Aninymouse]

I was following links in the 1.1.5 thread, and I saw this reaction to Mewtwo's new running speed by 2GG| BAM The Loyal:

Mewtwo is as fast as Sheik and is now faster than Meta Knight. Source: https://twitter.com/SilentDo0m