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Meta Knight: Video Compilation & Critique Thread

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Can anyone help me out? I'm a relatively new meta knight (2 months of practice) and I've been told by good players at my locals that my neutral is really lacking. I'm usually very confident in my ability to get strings but this game doesn't really do that justice.
https://youtu.be/zsMC99NSGwc?t=8m54s
Any help would be appreciated on what I should and shouldnt do in certain situations!
 
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pancakemix31 said:
Can anyone help me out? I'm a relatively new meta knight (2 months of practice) and I've been told by good players at my locals that my neutral is really lacking. I'm usually very confident in my ability to get strings but this game doesn't really do that justice.
https://youtu.be/zsMC99NSGwc?t=8m54s
Any help would be appreciated on what I should and shouldnt do in certain situations!
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Things I noticed:
  • Mix up your DI vs Lucas, he has to read your DI at mid %s and above to get followups off Dthrow
  • You went for Utilt after dash attack at 0%, you should go for strong Nair which does more damage
  • At 9:40 and 12:00 you got a good Uthrow onto the tree, you could have tried to follow up with Up-B to finish him off, it's a somewhat unexpected setup
  • Avoid finishing Drill Rush onstage, always try to snap the edge with it to cancel its endlag, or it's a free punish for your opponent
  • Dash attack 1 pops the opponent right above you, when you went for the Uair follow-up at kill %s you jumped forward instead of straight up and got the back hitbox of Uair which led to you dropping the combo
I need to work on neutral a fair bit myself so I'll leave analysing that part to someone else.
 
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pancake u went for 2 random nados that u got punished for. that lucas baited ur approach a lot. dont try to punish lucas grab if u aint near enugh for the punish that has less lag now. i would thats easy to bair ur approaches.
 
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Uploading more vids on my channel tomorrow so stay tuned (click on my link below to get to my YT page).

Also thanks for the vids WN2. You should also link Ito vs Zinoto.
 
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GENESIS 3- NME|Tyrant (:4metaknight:) vs NME|Xzax (:4fox:) - Wii U Singles Top32 LR2- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TZyoEFW4eKo

GENESIS 3 - NME|Tyrant (:4metaknight:) vs iQHQ|DKwill (:4dk:) - Wii U Singles Top32 LR1-https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FB4mhFYUI8c

GENESIS 3 - Ito (:4metaknight:) vs 2GG|VoiD (:4sheik:) - Wii U Singles Top32 WR1-https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4YzxGnbL4Lk

GENESIS 3 - Pulse|Zinoto (:4diddy:) vs Ito (:4metaknight:) - Wii U Singles WR2 I42- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLdLvrIYqFw

GENESIS 3 - Ito (:4metaknight:) vs Zan (:4tlink:) - Wii U Singles WR3 I42-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLqnny7mnOU

GENESIS 3 - NME|Tyrant (:4metaknight:) vs FallN (:rosalina:/:4zss:) - Wii U Singles LR5 I41- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Afa8nhII-eo


Abadango v Void Bo3
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TZyoEFW4eKo
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m_vvDH16awg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uivjj-LmtaM
 
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http://www.twitch.tv/abadango/v/37757940

Abadango :4metaknight: vs a :4cloud:
starts at 59:29 ends at 01:06:57

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTRqyqiTmEU

GENESIS 3 - Crew Battles MEXICO VS JAPAN

Abadango :4metaknight:vs Ryuk :4villagerf:
from 1:28 to 6:58

Abadango :4metaknight: vs Hyuga :4tlink:
starts 7:42 till 11:31

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxvpl846N_8

GENESIS 3 - Crew Battles SOCAL vs JAPAN

Abadango :4metaknight: vs VoiD:4sheik:
starts 21:57 till 24:54

K i want to talk a little bit about this MU we definitly dont win this and its not 55:45 here i want to explain why with the example of this match im not sure if Aba was playing at his 100% bc he made some questionable mistakes. Aba started with a run up and shield that VoiD just grabbed and yes Aba did got the Jab Lock at his first stock but VoiD teched then sheik just keep doing dmg and more dmg a lot of times when aba did D-Throw VoiD went for fair instantly putting Aba in a bad situation back to the needle juggle. Aba did some questionable things but normal reactions for example he was making it back to stage with DCape instead of coming back to stage with shuttle loop and VoiD keep punishing and Aba landed VoiD f tilt-ed repeatedly if Aba airdodged on time he got fair-ed offstage back into a bad situation he sat there and thought about his options in the ledge and got needle to bouncing fish killed. then Aba got nervous he over commited a lot he went for a rush gimp and a shuttle loop that didnt work after that he got punished by f tilt and VoiD catched his jump back to stage Aba started to eat MORE dmg. Aba did make another mistake by mis timing that Jab in VoiD shield that put him in a bad situation. Aba manages to kill VoiD with a offstage nair. Aba played nervously so he was trying to roll back to safety but VoiD catches him with f tilt to u air. 3rd stock Aba does get the combo 3 times but 1st time the plaform messes him up then he gets it again but VoiD DIs it then he gets it again and misses it. when they are both at high % Aba missed his gimp and got bair-ed to bouncing fish.

What i want to say with this is that even if u get the combo sheik can avoid it and its not easy to catch sheik with DA she moves a lot with this i don't say tha Aba is a bad player or nothing like that Aba and VoiD are both good i was just showcasing most of Aba mistakes in the match (without even mentioning the DCape attack Aba did last stock that he got punished for) all of those options he did were normal and he was nervous so he probably wasn't capitalizing in everything he was doing. ik this isnt the MU thread but i consider this MU +2 for sheik.

EDIT: i was tired yesterday so i want to resume what i said from this is that sheik constantly prevents MK to land and eventually will f tilt to u air him. VoiD was doing a lot of fair in place because MK doesn't have much options to get around that if not timed correctly. a lot of sheik mains think we win the MU because of u air combos but as you saw here its not easy to hit a DA on sheik she moves a lot and her defensive play does make it harder to u air combo her.
 
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earla said:
http://www.twitch.tv/geelongsmash/v/38575316

04:03:00

I've just picked up meta knight. can i please get a harsh critique. any advice appreciated... how did i mess up those uair to SL conversions.

thanks!
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When you ledge jump covering yourself with Dair is a safe option. When you run out of jumps, use DCape to mix up your landing instead of just landing which you got punished for in the first game. When you read an airdodge, try to punish it with Tornado rather than a single Uair or Bair or something (our dmg per hit is pretty low so getting all the dmg you can get is important). Speaking of which, if you have grabbed them at the ledge at mid % or higher, use Uthrow or Bthrow instead of Dthrow for more damage. Then, when you Uthrow, they usually try to jump over you so punish that. Battlefield is not a very good stage for us because of the high ceiling which is why you found it hard to kill with Uair combos.

You kept missing DA > Tornado at 0% because that mainly works on fast fallers, floaty characters can jump out; you got wafted for that in game 4. Also you usually hit the 2nd or 3rd hitbox of DA which are harder to combo tornado off of at 0% especially vs floaties, so aim for the 1st hitbox (the one which crosses up shields).

At 4:10:50 you Dtilted G&W's shield then used Ftilt (looking for an Up-B kill?), I would have kept Dtilting it or rolled behind him and kept Dtilting since it is very safe on shield; although it wasn't spaced, G&W's OOS options aren't very good.

When you Bair to Dtilt locked the opponent in the first game, you Dtilted once and then used dash attack, then they had good DI and were able to airdodge the Uair followup. If you Dtilt once or twice more, then follow up with Utilt (which combos into Uair at later %s), it is harder to DI to get away from the Uair followup so you may have killed him with that.

At 4:07:18 I think you could have got another Uair if you had delayed it a bit and that probably would have killed. Same thing against G&W at 4:10:05.

Hope this helps.

EDIT: Also, make sure you're using either L/R/Z jump or claw grip with C-stick on attack when doing Uair combos. You can get like twice the horizontal air speed and cover their DI much more easily.
 
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Mega props to @ItoI6 for his stellar performance at that event. Great seeing him be able to travel to events outside of California for once. Also hoping he enters more stacked SoCal tournaments soon since I miss watching his Meta Knight perform at 2GG events.
 
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Tournaments that happened yesterday or today depending on timezone. Tyrant went to another local(a few days ago) it'll be on youtube eventually.

WS: ThatOneRider(:4rob:) vs Ito(:4metaknight:) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq14g4ldLzk

WF: LooK|Falln(:rosalina:) vs Ito(:4metaknight:) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZxhlXZTkfc

GF: LooK|Falln(:rosalina:) vs Ito(:4metaknight:) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14_AVkOK_K0

Felix(:4rob:) vs HY| Leo(:4metaknight:) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf0swBYhZx0

And(:4yoshi:) vs HY| Leo(:4metaknight:) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOHRSeEm4N0

SF| Zomg(:4samus:) vs HY| Leo(:4metaknight:) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E9W52CfvZU

CS| Wonf(:4bayonetta:) vs HY| Leo(:4metaknight:) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmw2UzTbDJA

CS|????(:4sheik:) vs HY| Leo(:4metaknight:) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkFWH7IJ71Y

CS| Wonf(:4bayonetta:) vs HY| Leo(:4bayonetta2::4metaknight:) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xv8yGgUlyM
 
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Thank you warionumbah for gathering these interesting videos. It definitely helps to see where post nerf MK will stand in the future meta game.

Leo is so inspirational, I feel like it's the MK that makes the best use of our whole arsenal. He also managed to get some good Uairs strings, even killing with it. For instance he managed to get a full ladder to kill against And ( :4yoshi:). I don't know if the way he plays disturbs his opponent or if And did not know the proper DI, because if I'm not mistaken And should have been able to avoid this combo. What do you think guys ? Will the ladder still exist in some match-up and situations or once competitive players will figure it out it will disappear ? (outside of light floaties like rosaluma or kirby)

New MK is fun to watch, now that players don't focus so much on getting the ladder kill, they get more creative. Once the frustration of losing our best combo will be gone, I think this change will be strictly positive for our gameplay. I mean we won't probably be better competitively than before, but our gameplay will be more fun and interesting to play with or against.

EDIT : Leo's ledge punishes against ???? ( :4sheik: ) are awesome. I was looking to improve my ledge punish game and this set was just like a lesson that Leo gave me.
 
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Battlefield 2 (3 stocks, so lots of gameplay to watch)

Losers Quarters - Jbandrew :4metaknight: vs Karna :4sheik:
https://www.twitch.tv/smashunited/v/56888417?t=50m36s

Losers Semis - Jbandrew :4metaknight: vs DJ Fliphop :4diddy: (pretty hype!)
https://www.twitch.tv/smashunited/v/56888417?t=1h06m16s

Losers Final - Jbandrew :4metaknight: vs The Wall :4yoshi:
https://www.twitch.tv/smashunited/v/56888417?t=1h57m16s

??? - Jbandrew :4metaknight: vs Small Human :substitute:
https://www.twitch.tv/smashunited/v/56888417?t=2h08m37s

Grand Finals - Jbandrew :4metaknight: vs NAKAT :4ness::4lucas:
https://www.twitch.tv/smashunited/v/56888417?t=2h15m28s
 
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Congrats to Leo winning The Arena without dropping a game, he went 99% MK only using Cloud when he was already 2-0 over Hyuga. Its very rare to have Leo play on stream so much in one week, tis a good time to main MK.

Winners Top 32: HY| MK Leo(:4metaknight:) vs Bedgar(:4sheik:) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8m9_N70cX4

Winners Top 32: HY| MK Leo(:4metaknight:) vs Nalga(:4dk::4littlemac:) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4cv6bJgmIU

Winners Top 8: HY| MK Leo(:4metaknight:) vs CS| Wonf(:4bayonetta:) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2meTGO53Qa0

Winners Finals: HY| MK Leo(:4metaknight:) vs SF| Regi(:4gaw:) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqs421i1PUw

Grand Finals: HY MK Leo(:4metaknight::4cloud2:) vs SF HE| Hyuga(:4tlink:) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5Jyenl5YdQ

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HY| MK Leo(:4cloud2::4metaknight:) vs Acotito(:4villager:) - https://www.twitch.tv/hydraprogaming/v/57884220?t=11m50s

Winners Finals: HY MK Leo(:4metaknight::4cloud2:) vs SF| Lazh(:4falcon:) - https://www.twitch.tv/hydraprogaming/v/57884220?t=2h00m10s

Grand Finals: HY| MK Leo(:4cloud2::4metaknight:) vs HY| Tony(:4littlemac:) - https://www.twitch.tv/hydraprogaming/v/57884220?t=2h44m10s

(In GFs he didn't use MK until game 4).
 
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Here's some kinda cruddy sets from a college tourney last week. I feel like I've gotten a bit better since then, but feedback is welcome, of course. Feel free to be as scathing as you deem necessary.

Corvus :4metaknight: vs J$ :4ganondorf::4peach:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAhRLm3k6lY
This one's kinda lol. This guy said he doesn't really play this game. We take those I guess.

Corvus :4metaknight: vs Toad :4greninja:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VEjwR2YZ1w
This guy normally plays Pikachu and his Pikachu is better, but whatever. I make a lot of random decisions in this set and wasn't really happy with how I played neutral. But I won, so that's nice.

Corvus :4metaknight: vs Nuggetz :4falco:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNbL16Th7HI
Man, I just got outplayed in this set. This guy is better than me, straight up.

In general, I need to work on my pushing my follow-ups further, still haven't played against a lot of characters. Pretty new to the character and have plenty to improve on. Figured I'd share these anyway. I actually just won an event tonight with these same players in attendance, so I can do better than these. Unfortunately that event wasn't recorded...
 
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