Megaman X: Day of Death. ~ EVERYBODY DIED. SCUM WINS. GAME OVER.

[#HBC | Nabe]

OS, would you vote Boat in place of NL?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Oh for Christ's sake.

Unvote

Vote: Raziek

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

...

F*** you tery

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

OS, would you vote Boat in place of NL?

That is to say, if roles were reversed such that Boat were L-1.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

YOU DO NOT EVEN HAVE A CASE ON BOAT

Vote Raziek.

YES I DO!


The fact that it hasn't been padded out to 147,859,660 words does not make it any less of a case.


1 sentence is enough to make a case if that's all that's needed to say what you need.

Evidently i need to reread your slot, especially with a ryker scumflip.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Oh for Christ's sake.

Unvote

Vote: Raziek

Seriously, read the motherf***ing case on circus, gheb just confirmed that circus doesn't do what he did with boat by posting multiple game examples, including where they were hydraing.


There is no reason to lynch raz.

Point is, there aren't enough in the game to lynch anyone but Raz.

Nich left. Tery left. So... no lynch today.


I'm AFK now. My vote stays on Raziek, everyone else that can vote needs to vote for Raziek. WE ALREADY KNOW INFERNO WAS HERE AND DIDN'T POST OR SWITCH HIS VOTE. He sat here and watched to see if people would vote raziek, then left after they didn't.

Vote Raziek or you're voting for No Lynch, and you know Raziek's scum. I'm going to be NKilled toNight, flip town, and then you'll go after Raziek again.


YOU DO NOT EVEN HAVE A CASE ON BOAT

Vote Raziek.

Also, that's a hell of a reach.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@AB
Would you say a no lynch is better than a Raz lynch?

 

[Inferno3044]

I'm willing to lynch Raziek to avoid a no lynch. Just tell me when we are ready to end the day.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

@AB
Would you say a no lynch is better than a Raz lynch?

A little late for that now, but no, we were playing chicken before and given that tery didn't bother to check that the the case against boat was basically proven and inferno is now willing to hammer, no real choice here.


*******es


Boat dies tomorrow and on scumflip, and on a scumflip, I don't like OS at all.


Yes this is adum, questioning my read on him right now, gonna reread OS over the night and decide if I still wanna stick with town-os.

 

[Nicholas1024]

If Raziek is town, I'm planning on murdering OS for it tomorrow, as that would basically mean that the three major cases he's pushed have been really bad ones on townies, and I'm not going to accept that this one was for reads.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Actually, thinking about it, xatres is getting modkilled, no lynch is preferential to a raz lynch. 2 "kills" tonight means we're still at an odd number that gets resolved when we lynch tery.


Inferno, DON'T VOTE FOR RAZ UNLESS XATRES POSTS OR GETS REPLACED!

 

[Overswarm]

Back.

This one isn't for reads.

The Boat case is nothing more than bloated WIFOM. Saying "Circus would never do X" based off of games you played with him in 2009 is hardly compelling to me.

Spider mafia? Large game, Circus was town, and explains his subtitle.

His original case against Iggy:

After Xsy, Iggy gets my attention. I think I tend to naturally suspect Iggy just because he's been an anti-town role in just about every game I've been in or watched. And it seems like his strategy in those cases was to post something of substance (perhaps false substance) to look like he's participating and then glide through the Day, which seems pretty in-line with what he's doing here.

Here's Marshy's response:

i'm torn. i could go for a coaster/inactive (xsyven, iggy, sharpevil, smashman in order of preference. i admit this fluctuates a lot but this has been bothering me all game) and be happy that at worst we'd lose someone who was difficult to trust.

Then Day 3 begins after KevinM's modkill

Anyway, Xsyven, I'm definitely looking at you toDay. You were present for the last moments of D2 but never cast a vote and basically just pointed at everyone for casting scum vibes. Then never elaborated on what those were. To someone like me, that might look like scum pointing at everyone and saying "I don't care who dies because I'm taking out just about all of you eventually anyway."

I'd like to read some thoughts from Iggy. Specifically opinions on Xsyven, Handorin and Smashman if I could.

Well, I had a hunch it was going to be Iggy who was "silenced" toDay specifically because it seemed to adhere so well to Iggy's strategy as mafia in these games. When one part of the theory was confirmed, I just naturally figured the other part was likely as well. It's certainly fallible.

Also, I guess I just feel that if the mafia's plan was to frame someone, then they had better options (maybe I'll be proven wrong, depending on how toDay goes). Iggy's gotten a little flak over the course of the game, but I think that someone like Hando or Xsyven would be a more obvious target because they've gotten more heat from the town as a whole, especially recently. Then again, I guess those options would be nullified if Hando and Xsyven themselves are the remaining mafia members. But even then, they could have taken advantage of Sharpevil's inactivity. Plus, I just feel like framing a townie in general is getting too carried away with the WIFOM.

Maybe all of this is just proof that Iggy was the perfect target and the mafia's leading me around by the nose. I'm not sure. Regardless, I don't think I'm willing to lynch Iggy without him saying anything, but he remains high on my suspect list. I'd love to read your opinion on the situation (or the opinion of anyone else who hasn't expressed one yet).

Also, ready for a mind****?

Iggy was gone on D4 at a tournament that I was at. CRAZY. Anyway, Circus doesn't go ape**** of Iggy being inactive at all. He goes meta on Iggy because Iggy is Iggy and calls how Iggy plays. It has nothing to do with him being inactive.

Looking at the next games now.


Someone hammer. No Lynch is NOT preferrable.

 

[Inferno3044]

Vote: Raziek

 

[Raziek]

If you lynch me you'd better ****ing lynch Overscum tomorrow.

 

[Raziek]

Inferno, you idiot.

Overswarm is scum. Red Ryu is either scum or amazingly awful Town.

Inferno dumb Town. Nich Town. AB Town.

 

[Raziek]

Don't let my sacrifice be in vain Nich!

I'm still Storm Eagle, VT. Nothing changes.

 

[Overswarm]

Wow, they're all from 2009 except for Miller's Hollow from April of 2010. Seriously Gheb?

"I believe Boat is scum because Circus was mafia and said we should replace Boat and Circus is always going after killing inactives, or at least did 3 years ago"

Half your job is to know the right answer. The other half is to convince people.

Boat could be scum, but you don't have a single argument for it other than "this mafia member defended him".

Bring up an actual case tomorrow, if you have one. You still haven't even taken the steps to make a case or question Boat at all; there's no information coming from Boat and he's a complete shot in the dark.

@mod, request replacement for Xatres,
@mod, request replacement for Boat

 

[Overswarm]

Finally.

@mod, request flip

 

[Overswarm]

Raziek, why would you think Red Ryu could be scum when he joined the wagon on Circus in the middle towards the end of the day?

 

[Raziek]

Raziek, why would you think Red Ryu could be scum when he joined the wagon on Circus in the middle towards the end of the day?

Because his jump on my wagon was scummy as **** and he practically ADMITTED it. So did you, for that matter.

 

[Raziek]

Nich, talk to me!

 

[Overswarm]

Because his jump on my wagon was scummy as **** and he practically ADMITTED it. So did you, for that matter.

I've been watching connections with you for a while. I've been avoiding going after islands because, let's face it, we don't have much to go off of. We have exactly one flip who was scum, and it was on day one. There wasn't enough time for him to really even do anything worthwhile. "He defended boat" doesn't do anything for me. Yeah, it makes sense; it also makes sense for Circus to do that as scum just to create a false connection or earn townie points.

You jumped on every wagon that has ever started this game. Ever. Except your own. I checked. There hasn't been a single wagon you haven't been on or immediately left.

Post your reads before you flip?

 

[Overswarm]

Whether town or scum, your flip tells us more than anyone else's.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Don't worry Raziek, so help me scum will die for this.

@OS
You said that Raziek's lynch wasn't for reads. Tomorrow, I'm going to take a very long and hard look at you and the rest of his wagon.

@AB
If I die during the night, I'm counting on you to lead town.

 

[Raziek]

it also makes sense for Circus to do that as scum just to create a false connection or earn townie points.

No, it doesn't. We addressed that several times.

 

[Raziek]

Ugh, you're right about my flip providing information, though. I'll die at least knowing that.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Man, I'm really annoyed at how today turned out. And at town.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Anyway, any last reads you want to share? People on your wagon I should go after first?

 

[Overswarm]

Post a full color/reads list plox.

 

[Nicholas1024]

I'd be less concerned with a full list than getting reasoning along with your biggest scum picks and town picks. A null read won't affect much.

 

[Raziek]

Inferno, you idiot.

Overswarm is scum. Red Ryu is either scum or amazingly awful Town.

Inferno dumb Town. Nich Town. AB Town.

10 characters.

To add to that now, Tery's Town that doesn't care.

Leaning more towards bad Town than scum on Red Ryu, and I still think Boat is scum.

 

[Raziek]

If Town let's OS live through tomorrow you're going to lose the game, whether he's Town or Scum. He's too dangerous to leave as a question mark.

 

[Raziek]

By the time you realize OS is scum, it's usually too late. :l

 

[Nicholas1024]

I know Raziek, I know.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

10 characters.

To add to that now, Tery's Town that doesn't care.

Leaning more towards bad Town than scum on Red Ryu, and I still think Boat is scum.

I really don't, I'm sorry.

 

[Raziek]

****'s sake Tery, you shouldn't have voted me. >:[

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i heard flip.

you're going to get one hell of a flip.

 

[Overswarm]

Ugh, you're right about my flip providing information, though. I'll die at least knowing that.

That's the spirit. Play the long game, not the short game! Playing the short game might make you get lucky sometimes, but more often than not you're as lost as when you got started in lylo. Play for the long game and you've got plenty of info.

Man, I'm really annoyed at how today turned out. And at town.

You probably should have done something about it then instead of waiting until deadline.

Final lynch:
11. Raziek (7) Boat, JTB, RR, OS, Nabe, Tery, Inferno

Assuming Raz flips town:

This was... a hard lynch to get. Inferno originally avoided a Raziek lynch; I waited for his final vote choice (Boat) here: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13439429&postcount=1280

Where he supports it by saying "Boat is a shot in the dark but Raziek has posted". So basically an inactive lynch.

Tery came in and just voted for Raziek after much goading.

If Tery or Inferno were scum, it'd be less likely for them to not happily join the Raziek wagon earlier on unless they were going for a No Lynch.

I'd go for an Inferno lynch if Raziek flipped scum.

11. Raziek (7) Boat, JTB, RR, OS,

From this list, I've posted my reasoning, as has Red Ryu. Red Ryu joined on Circus' wagon as well, and was the first person to make a "push" against Raziek publicly and get a wagon started.

Here's JTB's vote:

I'm a bit surprised that Raziek isn't coming under more scrutiny. His whole 'case' on Boat started with an OMGUS vote. I wholeheartedly disagree with him "helping" get the Circus wagon off the ground, all he did was put his vote on him and just spout off one-liners that don't really do anything to push the wagon (Example 1, Example 2). The reason I bring this up is because Raziek continues to question people's scum reads on him and tries to refute them with this reasoning.

His later case on Boat doesn't sit well with me at all. Like, it's good and all to review a flipped scums posts for connections, but making a case solely on connections is just reaching because trying to interpret Circus' intent behind his posts is essentially wifom. Where has Boat actually been scummy? 853 is also reaching for a connection between Circus and Boat, Circus had been defending Boat/pushing for his replacement, not trying to draw him as scum.

865 continues the trend of "I'm obvtown because I pushed Circus' lynch yesterDay." How is a vote on you anti-town at all? OS' vote on you at the start of D2 got us reactions we probably wouldn't had seen otherwise.

879 is completely ********. Get off your high throne, you are not as townie as you think you are, regardless of what others say.

So where do I stand toDay? I would prefer a Raziek lynch over Boat. tl;dr version, Raziek has been pushing Boat solely on connections with Circus and is constantly referring to the Circus wagon as proof that everyone should have a town read on him.

Xatres' last post just reeks of reaching arguments and WIFOM (OS setting up Tery as a bomb to get reactions?). He states he doesn't like people claiming early, but goes on to claim that he knows theres a mafia role cop and won't tell us why he knows this. All this does is confuse town even more.

I'm willing to trust Tery's claim because I don't believe he is that ballsy as a player to do that as scum. I don't see a reason to lynch him toDay.

Vote: Raziek

A Red Ryu post that requires further examination:

Tery isn't doing much to make me think he is town, I'm not liking his recent posts as I read this right now. I'm considering him a possible better lynch over Boat just from that alone, he;s staying at the edge of the pool and not getting into the deep end.

@OS: JTB until he gives more is a giant null. I want him to change this very soon hopefully.

Boat's defense is half way agreeable, at points I do agree it is WIFOM and not conclusive, Circus defending him is not totally conclusive to him being scum. Issue I have is, why Boat over anyone else to defend?

That alone bugs me when I reread Circus and see the defense put up for Boat, yet he's fine with others to go? I do not think Circus was planning that far ahead, even more so how soon him wagon just popped up.

Ryker deflected a lot though, he said we have a different read list, though he doesn't provide scum picks. Puts WIFOM back with why Circus wouldn't change, though it makes some sense here. the TTGL almost completely avoided the question and comment all together.

Boat explains that Raziek was on early for what looked like a no lynch. How was a no lynch more likely? There is nothing to show that it was more likely that a scrambled lynch. Boat explain this more to me.

Boat's reads earlier in the day:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13397150&postcount=817

Town:
Nicholas1024
Raziek

Scum:
JTB

Maybe AB

Xatres

Null:

EE

Okay I'm finally caught up and I have to say, I agree with OS.
Raziek could easily be scum. I don't really get what people are saying about Raziek lifting the Circus case off the ground; he hopped on with no more given reasoning than "Sure whatever." The one who got the lynch happening was solely Nich. Completely and entirely his original case.

That said I don't like the AB shenanigans. Particularly this post:


The bolded sentence feels like padding for a fall. I think the whole deal with him being confirmed town is WIFOM and should not be taken as fact. It defeats the point of this being a fair and balanced game anyways.

I've also seen people setting me up for a D3 lynch should we survive that long, and I don't like that AT ALL. How long I survive has very little to do with my alignment and I have no control of Ryker's posting beyond eventually replacing Boatchouli out for my main account if I feel it's necessary to play the game to a satisfactory standard. I'd also like to point out that Raziek was one of the people saying a Boat lynch would be a good idea on D3 if Ryker continues posting pictures.

My current reads are as follows, if there are any discrepancies with what I said previously it's because I didn't know what the **** I was talking about:

1. Inferno3044
2. JTB
3. Overswarm
4. Red Ryu
6. Analytical Buttheads
7. Rajam
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres
10. Terywj
11. Raziek
12. Boatchouli
13. Frozenflame751

Colors should be self explanatory.

Raziek has been following other people this whole game and generally trying to blend in. I don't like him at all. I've stated why I don't think AB should be considered confirmed town and I find his play extremely anti-town.

A lot of the Nulls are because I simply haven't read into them. That was simply too much to read in one night and still have the energy to make a post with this much content.

I like OS' play and I like his thoughts though his logic on following AB was dumb as hell.
Nich is pretty much confirmed town from my point of view as he took several dying wagons near deadline and pushed a wagon on scum from literally no votes. Scum would have been content to blend in and put their vote pretty much anywhere since a no lynch would have been fine for scum.
Red Ryu makes as little sense as ever but he's leaning town at this point for me. Don't see any scum intent from him. May need to look into him a bit more.
Rajam is leaning town purely on the premise that Raziek is scum. If my read on Raziek were to be revised, so would my read on Rajam. The same may or may not apply in reverse depending on the situation.

In conclusion: Vote: Raziek

We can read more into this tomorrow.


Nich, if Raziek flips town, who do you think is scum?

Who do you think is scum if Raziek flips scum?

 

[Overswarm]

i heard flip.

you're going to get one hell of a flip.

Flip fast, my girlfriend wants to watch a movie D:

 

[Overswarm]

Oh btw, Boat and Red Ryu had the same case on Raziek. Just saying.