BADGRAPHICS
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Seriously, guys... There's no way Pac-Man could work in Smash. Why do you think he needed that mech in SFxT?
He's just too small.
He's just too small.
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just like olimer right?Seriously, guys... There's no way Pac-Man could work in Smash. Why do you think he needed that mech in SFxT?
He's just too small.
Let's give Ridley a mech that shrinks down.Seriously, guys... There's no way Pac-Man could work in Smash. Why do you think he needed that mech in SFxT?
He's just too small.
What makes him not worthy you haven't given a valid reason as to why he shoudin't be in smash 4. only that you are not happy about him getting in.Just FYI, if you're including me in that, I actually think Pac-Man is quite a bit more likely than not.
I'm just not happy about it.
I didn't say that his history was short, I said that his history was primarily one of indifference. What with most of his recent games, including the Pac-Man World series, being multi-platform and selling better on the non-Nintendo consoles.
Just because some character has character Nintendo consoles doesn't mean that they have a significant relationship to Nintendo. Just like I would hardly say that Rayman or Altair or Crash Bandicoot have much to do with Nintendo.
As opposed to Mega Man, who is a character that has appeared on Nintendo more often than not and has most of his important games on Nintendo. Or Sonic, who has a bitter 16-bit rivalry which has changed into a great partnership. He doesn't just cameo, he headlines games with Mario.
I don't deny he has any points in his favor. At least here you're on better ground - he has had cameos in Nintendo games and vice versa.
But it seems like Namco just likes to put Pac-Man in games they work on. So I think it's quite likely we'll see Pac-Man in the game.
I just don't think that makes him worthy.
Some guy from Castlevania has way more association with the NES and Nintendo consoles in general than Pac-Man does, though. I don't claim that Simon Belmont is more of an icon than Pac-Man, I claim he has a stronger connection to Nintendo.
Crash Bandicoot and Kratos and Master Chief have "" but I don't think they should be in Smash (and fortunately, they have no chance of doing so).
http://pacman.wikia.com/wiki/Super_NintendoPac-Mans had 3 games on the snes system...That makes your statement invalid.
Seriously, guys... There's no way Pac-Man could work in Smash. Why do you think he needed that mech in SFxT?
He's just too small.
Hold on let me fix it.This might be the worst argument I've read yet.Seriously, guys... There's no way Pac-Man could work in Smash. Why do you think he needed that mech in SFxT?
He's just too BIG.
But all of them were multiplatform titles at the time, which I wouldn't take as "pure SNES associated". At least these 2 Castlevania titles were exclusive.
Heck while we're at it, why don't we just put everyone in a gundam so size doesn't matter? FREE GUNDAMS FOR EVERYONE!!Let's give Ridley a mech that shrinks down.
Oh, I got it. I'm just a troll... or a hater... or a hipster... or whatever the current word is for people that other people don't like.Badgraphic's joke just seriously went waaaay over your heads.
Yo, i'll main Simon Belmont since he uses a whip merely to take the power away from black oppression.
Exclusivity does matters. Why do you think more people have arisen the idea of Sonic returning? Because of the whole Nintendo and Sega deal. How come Pac-Man is more associated with the NES when I can play a major amount of them in other systems of the time?Ummm The argument did not indicate weather or not they had to be exclusive to the nes system. Pac-Man was more associated than the Castlevania guy.
Oh know, I know YOU got it, i'm refereeing to those who took the comment up their ass.Oh, I got it. I'm just a troll... or a hater... or a hipster... or whatever the current word is for people that other people don't like.
I make fun of things even if I do get them and like them.
Badgraphic's joke just seriously went waaaay over your heads.
Hope you're not talking to me.Badgraphic's joke just seriously went waaaay over your heads.
Hope you're not talking to me.
All three 3rd parties have gotten in for different reasons thus far: Snake got in because of Sakurai's friendship with Kojima. Sonic got in because of unbelievable fan demand and a long history as Nintendo's biggest rival. Mega Man got in because he's incredibly unique and has been the biggest 3rd party supporter for Nintendo ever. If Pac-Man makes it in, which don't get me wrong sure isn't impossible, he'd need to get in on other merits, because he's none of those things that the others are.
Sakurai doesn't have a tight friendship with Pac-Man's creator, at least I don't assume so, and he's already stated that Namco characters aren't getting any priority, so the whole "Namco works on the game" thing doesn't run in this category.
He has never been Nintendo's rival, neither does he have so much demand that he's practically forced in.
Neither is he a big supporter of Nintendo. Yes, he has had many games on Nintendo consoles, but exactly how many of those were exclusives? I think it was 6 games or something? Unlike Mega Man who has been such a great supporter (especially in the early days) that some have mistaken him for a Nintendo character, Pac-Man has rarely ever been exclusively supporting Nintendo, which renders him unable to get in on those merits.
So if Pac-Man is going to get into the game, he needs a new reason that none of the other 3rd party characters have to be in the game. Could it be that he's made such a big name out of himself that he's worthy of getting in on just that? Does Sakurai perhaps see great potential in him and thinks he fits well? Or will he even be in the game at all? One thing's for certain, 3rd party characters have a ton more to prove than regular Nintendo characters, so if Pac-Man is going to be in the game he'll have a long and tough road to go through first. I guess time will tell eventually.
Dood if they can come up with a moveset for The Villager and Wii Fit Trainer, they can deffinently think of something for Pac ManPac-man would have almost no Move-set. That'd be really hard to make one for him.
You want a reason?All three 3rd parties have gotten in for different reasons thus far: Snake got in because of Sakurai's friendship with Kojima. Sonic got in because of unbelievable fan demand and a long history as Nintendo's biggest rival. Mega Man got in because he's incredibly unique and has been the biggest 3rd party supporter for Nintendo ever. If Pac-Man makes it in, which don't get me wrong sure isn't impossible, he'd need to get in on other merits, because he's none of those things that the others are.
Sakurai doesn't have a tight friendship with Pac-Man's creator, at least I don't assume so, and he's already stated that Namco characters aren't getting any priority, so the whole "Namco works on the game" thing doesn't run in this category.
He has never been Nintendo's rival, neither does he have so much demand that he's practically forced in.
Neither is he a big supporter of Nintendo. Yes, he has had many games on Nintendo consoles, but exactly how many of those were exclusives? I think it was 6 games or something? Unlike Mega Man who has been such a great supporter (especially in the early days) that some have mistaken him for a Nintendo character, Pac-Man has rarely ever been exclusively supporting Nintendo, which renders him unable to get in on those merits.
So if Pac-Man is going to get into the game, he needs a new reason that none of the other 3rd party characters have to be in the game. Could it be that he's made such a big name out of himself that he's worthy of getting in on just that? Does Sakurai perhaps see great potential in him and thinks he fits well? Or will he even be in the game at all? One thing's for certain, 3rd party characters have a ton more to prove than regular Nintendo characters, so if Pac-Man is going to be in the game he'll have a long and tough road to go through first. I guess time will tell eventually.
Yes, I did.Ummm The argument did not indicate weather or not they had to be exclusive to the nes system.Pac-Man was more associated than the Castlevania guy.
I'm not sure exactly what would be a "valid reason."What makes him not worthy you haven't given a valid reason as to why he shoudin't be in smash 4. only that you are not happy about him getting in.
Some guy from Castlevania who has only appeared in 2 games on the Snes system makes him have more association with the NES.. Pac-Mans had 3 games on the snes system which gives Pac-Man more association with the Snes System...That makes your statement invalid.
Pac-Man has had 8 exclusive on the Nintendo console Erimir.Being on a nintendo console makes him associated with Nintendo.Just like Snake and Sonic.Yes, I did.
I'm talking about being associated with Nintendo. How does having a game release on the PS2, Xbox and GameCube make you think of that character as associated with Nintendo? It just makes them a platform-neutral video game character.
I'm not sure exactly what would be a "valid reason."
That would only make sense if we both agreed to a set of objective criteria in the first place. But the criteria are mostly subjective. So this is obviously just my opinion. One that Sakurai does not totally agree with in the first place, as evidenced by the fact that Snake was in Brawl.
Except for the question of who has "more of a relationship" with Nintendo. In that case, I think it's pretty clear that Pac-Man has less of a relationship with Nintendo than Mega Man or Sonic, but I'd say more so than Snake.
It's not about Simon Belmont per se, but the Castlevania series as a whole. Which pretty undeniably has a stronger history with Nintendo than Pac-Man.
But since the Castlevania series has a frequently changing protagonist, but if they were going to pick a single representative, it would be Simon Belmont. I don't think that Simon Belmont is worthy on his own, but just as a representative of the Castlevania series as a whole. He's the original vampire killer and the most well-known. The only other characters that would be worthy of considering are Alucard, Richter (but those two appeared more on other consoles) and Soma (who got multiple games on Nintendo handhelds).
For reference, Castlevania games that were Nintendo exclusives at release:
NES
*Castlevania
*Castlevania II: Simon's Quest
Castlevania III
Akumajo Special: Boko Dracula-kun (JP only)
Game Boy
Castlevania: The Adventure
Castlevania II: Belmont's Revenge
Castlevania Legends
Kid Dracula
Super Nintendo
*Super Castlevania IV
Castlevania: Dracula X
N64
Castlevania 64
Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness
GBA
Castlevania: Circle of the Moon
Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance
Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
DS
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia
Wii
Castlevania Judgment
3DS
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Mirror of Fate
*featuring Simon Belmont
So, of 34 Castlevania titles for home console or video game handheld, 21 have been exclusive to Nintendo at least at their time of release... Compared to 6 for Pac-Man. I did the numbers for Mega Man as well, and they were something like 38 out of 54 titles being Nintendo exclusive.
Additionally, Simon Belmont was featured in Captain N: The Game Master, showing how he was considered one of the big names on the NES. He was featured along with major Nintendo-owned characters.
Seriously. Pac-Man is NOT particularly associated with Nintendo. You can say you don't care, he's such a big gaming icon and that's good enough. You can say Snake got in, so Sakurai doesn't see that as the only factor. That's fine. Then we just have a different opinion about who is worthy of inclusion. I just don't agree, and I personally think the game should be limited to characters/series that have a stronger association with Nintendo than Pac-Man or Snake.
He's certainly in a very small elite of mega-famous video game characters (at the top of the heap with Mario) and that sets him apart from other 3rd party characters that don't have much association with Nintendo. And I can understand why some people think that makes him worthy of inclusion.
But don't bother trying to argue that he has just as much important history with Nintendo as Mega Man or Sonic. Or even Castlevania, to be honest.
He does beat Snake on that criteria though.
I didn't count appearances as part of collections. Collections are ports. I didn't count them for the other series either, unless they had a significant original component. That brings it down to six.Pac-Man has had 8 exclusive on the Nintendo console Erimir.
Alright, at this point it's obvious that you're just being willfully obtuseBeing on a nintendo console makes him associated with Nintendo.Just like Snake and Sonic.
There is no valid reason as to why he shouldin't be in smash 4 cause then we would have to come up with a valid reason as to why sonic shouldin't be in or even snake for that matter.
And that clinches it... you're just trolling.Lol i dont see how you get Pac-Man is NOT particularly associated with Nintendo when in fact he is your just in denial.
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To be honest his history with Nintendo is important since he landed on the NES before Megman!
So umm about being not important to Nintendo's history?