Mega Man is not in Brawl!

[AsbestosBlatant]

If Ness, the main character of Earthbound, is not in smash, then there's no chance of Jeff or any other Earthbound character being in the game. That would fall under the category of a "possible negative view" in my book.

'sides, that comment was mostly sarcastic, but alas we don't have kinetic typography on this board so it must have been hard to tell.

 

[Kelexo]

Love how you have a Jeff, Giygas, and even Moonside icon in your sig but poo-poo Ness. That's absurd, that.

Anyway, he didn't pull a Reggie and give us a straight "No." like some questions he's been asked, or how Keiji didn't say "No." to that question like some other things he's been asked *coughLegends3cough*, but instead optimistically said he wants MegaMan in the game.

Boy, it sure is presumptuous around here.

Ness is pretty cool, but he's gone, so I'll welcome something else. Does it have a high chance? No way. Will I be disappointed if it isn't represented? Nope, not at all. But, anyway.

Yes, yes, you can sit there and peck at the small bits of hope, but it's never served this board any good. Just try to let it go, maybe if it actually by some miracle DOES come true, maybe it'll be all the more surprising?

 

[Cless]

What small bits of hope? A whole Mega Man game going by Inafune isn't a small bit of hope. Just because he created the character doesn't mean everything has to go through him.

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

The fact is NEITHER side knows, so this egotistical and arrogant "shred of hope" nonsense that people seem to enjoy using to belittle anybody who supports something that has no realistic odds presented against it other than ambiguous quotes and ideas here and there is just as pointless and serves the board just as little use.

People need to stop hopping into the mob mentality of things and just admit that neither side knows no matter how many carefully plotted out theories you devise rather than insisting that their view is fact.

 

[Night Avenger]

It says: "A few months." And "A few months" means this interview is OLD X3. I hope it is and Megaman is in!! If not my hopes for the 3rd 3rd party character are:
Geno
Simon Belmont
Tails
Knuckles
Eggman
Jill Valentine
Leon S. Kennedy
Black Mage

Oh and... DON'T FORGET. THE UBER CHARACTER FOR BRAWL:

Phoenix Wright

HE MUST BE IN. At least AT.

 

[Goopygoo]

The fact is NEITHER side knows, so this egotistical and arrogant "shred of hope" nonsense that people seem to enjoy using to belittle anybody who supports something that has no realistic odds presented against it other than ambiguous quotes and ideas here and there is just as pointless and serves the board just as little use.

People need to stop hopping into the mob mentality of things and just admit that neither side knows no matter how many carefully plotted out theories you devise rather than insisting that their view is fact.

If that occurred, these boards would be dead.

 

[Cless]

It says: "A few months." And "A few months" means this interview is OLD X3. I hope it is and Megaman is in!! If not my hopes for the 3rd 3rd party character are:
Geno
Simon Belmont
Tails
Knuckles
Eggman
Jill Valentine
Leon S. Kennedy
Black Mage

Oh and... DON'T REMEMBER. THE UBER CHARACTER FOR BRAWL:

Phoenix Wright

HE MUST BE IN. At least AT.

Dammit read the thread before posting or don't post. If Mega Man doesn't get in, you can be sure that no other Capcom character will.

 

[Chi's Finest]

The fact is NEITHER side knows, so this egotistical and arrogant "shred of hope" nonsense that people seem to enjoy using to belittle anybody who supports something that has no realistic odds presented against it other than ambiguous quotes and ideas here and there is just as pointless and serves the board just as little use.

People need to stop hopping into the mob mentality of things and just admit that neither side knows no matter how many carefully plotted out theories you devise rather than insisting that their view is fact.

We can speculate based on proof. We saw Ness's moves on Lucas, and we saw Sakurai say on the Dpjo that Ness was out. That was proof right there to say that Ness wasn't going to be in. Now, finally after seeing the SSE movie, the last of the Ness fans in denial have been convinced that he's out.

Just because we don't know until the game is played or whatever, doesn't mean that we cannot make educated and backed speculations, theories, and guesses on the outcome of cetain circusmstances in Brwl.

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

Sakurai did NOT say Ness is out. I cannot believe people still buy that nonsense argument. He used "Up until now" in other updates as well, in sentences that had NO pertinence to their changes whatsoever, exactly how he used it with Ness. You can look at Lucas' moveset and search for any blaring similarities that support your argument as much as you want, but the fact of the matter is you have not seen the final roster with Ness' name not included, so you can ignore the counter points to your little argument all you want, but that doesn't make you any more, or less for that matter, correct.

Come off your high horse and stop treating anybody who doesn't share your half-baked ideals like they're uneducated.

 

[Cless]

When he used up until now in other instances, the original way it was done was changed or altered.

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

Yet again, he did not refer to changes whatsoever in statements he used "until now" in.

 

[Cless]

Yes, he did.

Until now you pressed the button repeatedly to do combos, but I'm changing it so you can also hold the button instead.

Until now I've included handicaps, but I'm changing the way it works now.

I'm paraphrasing of course.

 

[Chi's Finest]

Exactly.


Up until Now, Ness was in Smash.

Up until now, Smash was only on the GC and N64.

Up until now, there was never a Smash game called Brawl.

Up until now, Meta Knight was never playable in Smash.

Get the pattern?

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

"Up until now, standard combos, or button-press combos, were done primarily by tapping the attack button repeatedly."

"So until now, I’ve always made sure to include handicaps in each game in the series."

I'm quoting him, and notice how in those sentences, there's nothing, absolutely nothing, that suggests change.

 

[Black/Light]

. . .Wow, theres still people expecting Ness?

 

[Cless]

Because they are part of a paragraph that expresses that he is changing the way those aspects of the game works.

English much?

 

[TheJalapeno]

HAHA

I find it funny that people got their hopes up. I do like 3rd party characters, but when there was absolutely NO sign of Megaman being in the game (Sonic had all that talk from Sega, Shigeru, and such...) why people would say, "HE'S GOT TO BE IN!"

There's still time, but not enough to design a whole new character, it takes time to program and code them.

 

[AS Juggernaut]

*sniffs AsbestosBlatant"
Smells like anger and denial.

On a side note, if there is another third party spot I hope it goes to Megaman, but I'm not gonna get my hopes up.

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

Mmkay. Keep parroting each other and crying "denial" and "up until now" and all the other 'arguments' that your type seems to have, it still won't make you right.

 

[Chi's Finest]

"Up until now, standard combos, or button-press combos, were done primarily by tapping the attack button repeatedly."

"So until now, I’ve always made sure to include handicaps in each game in the series."

I'm quoting him, and notice how in those sentences, there's nothing, absolutely nothing, that suggests change.

Did you even read the handicaps update? Read the whole thing. The whole handicap system was changed.

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

It's still in the game, isn't it? As are the standard A button tap combos. Both of those things are still in the game and both of those things were "up until now" things, changed or not, they're still in the game.

 

[Cless]

You're not doing a good job of disproving the up until now. I'm not saying Ness is conclusively gone. Anything can happen. Maybe they did change his whole style of gameplay, but that's unlikely.

Will you at least agree that when up until now is used, change follows? Doesn't matter what the change is. There is change.

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

Yes, just as it's unlikely they'd have changed the style of handicapping or let some characters hold down the A button to execute their combos.

 

[Cless]

Why is that unlikely? The old handicap system was bad and the holding the A button makes it a little easier to go into a flurry.

Why would they change Ness' moveset when they could have just given it to Lucas?

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

And why do you think they wouldn't? You have no time, Link, Smash Ball, ect. This is wasting both of our time, we're both too bull headed to accept any leeway in our arguments. Maybe that's just me, who knows.

 

[Cless]

Think of it like this. I go to buy Brawl and I eventually unlock Ness or he's a starter (it doesn't matter). I played with Ness a lot in Melee, so I'm like sweet. I go to play him, and he's completely different, and to top it off, they gave his moveset to some blond kid I've never heard of.

It makes no sense to completely change an established character. It'd be like turning Chun Li into a grappler, giving Taki a giant broadsword, making Mai a demure, modest character that doesn't attack with her ***, etc. These movesets define characters and give them personality.

 

[verditude]

The way I see it, there are a few possibilities.

1. Mega Man is not in and is not going to be, and Capcom has not been/will not be consulted. Self-explanatory.

2. Capcom/Inafune have not been approached yet, but Sakurai and co. have already made a character model for Mega Man, with moves and all that shebang, and they will ask Capcom/Inafune for permission later. If they don't get it, they scrap Mega & everything related to him.

3. Inafune is lying, or he approached Sakurai instead of the other way around. Also self-explanatory.

4. Inafune has been bypassed and higher-ups at Capcom have approved/disapproved Mega for Brawl, with or without Inafune's knowledge. Most likely without, since he probably would have to sign a NDA if he knew, and he would have violated it with his statements.

5. Like #2, but no work on Mega has been done yet, and if Capcom says yes, we get another delay for Sakurai and co. to add Mega. I feel this is unikely, as he would have to be integrated into SE and events, have a stage, etc.

Any more possile scenarios? As of now, I think 1 and 2 are most likely.

Anyone else have a guess?

EDIT: Well, since the discussion has turned to Ness, I'll offer my two cents.

The "up until now" argument is stupid. When Sakurai announces a character, he does so using language as if the character's inclusion in Brawl was simultaneous with his announcement.

An example is PT. Sakurai said "The Pokemon Trainer has finally arrived," which sounds like PT was not in Brawl untl he was announced. Ness has not been announced, so, in Sakurai-speak, Ness is not in Brawl.

So, when he says Ness has appeared up until now, he means Ness hasn't been announced yet, so he's not in yet. It doesn't preclude the possibility of him being put in (read: announced) later.

 

[EDreams]

Think of it like this. I go to buy Brawl and I eventually unlock Ness or he's a starter (it doesn't matter). I played with Ness a lot in Melee, so I'm like sweet. I go to play him, and he's completely different, and to top it off, they gave his moveset to some blond kid I've never heard of.

It makes no sense to completely change an established character. It'd be like turning Chun Li into a grappler, giving Taki a giant broadsword, making Mai a demure, modest character that doesn't attack with her ***, etc. These movesets define characters and give them personality.

Or perhaps he'll be Luigified, and Ness will be more similar to his Melee self while Lucas will have some different moves (which is confirmed) and some cloned moves with drastically different properties.

Since we don't know anything about Lucas or the potential Brawl Ness, we can't say, right?

 

[Cless]

No, but I think 2 and 5 are the least likely, and 3 goes in with 4.

Or perhaps he'll be Luigified, and Ness will be more similar to his Melee self while Lucas will have some different moves (which is confirmed) and some cloned moves with drastically different properties.

Since we don't know anything about Lucas or the potential Brawl Ness, we can't say, right?

That's the best case scenario.

 

[The Director]

Viewtiful Joe for Brawl.

 

[Kelexo]

PEOPLE: just because there are chances that something is wrong DOESNT MEAN IT IS COMPLETELY WRONG! Think about it, don't put your entire hopes up on something that 'sounds right'.

 

[bballstar23]

I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this yet (I don't feel like going through all 22 pages), but Inafune says that Nintendo hasn't approached him. Who's to say that he and Capcom haven't approached Nintendo? Snake only was implemented after Kojima and Konami worked things out with Nintendo, and I'm sure the situation was similar with Sonic. Using this logic, technically Inafune wouldn't be lying, now would he?

 

[Cless]

Yeah, I think we pondered that somewhere maybe.

 

[Goopygoo]

Well, somebody said that was stupid, and that was all the conversation that was made out of it.

 

[shadenexus18]

Yesterday just seemed like a nightmare....or even a night terror!! Eh tu Sakurai, eh tu? That bum! It seems that he's been smokin some serious mushrooms seeing how he didn't respond to that podcast! That or he expects the maker of Mega Man to reduce himself to begging like Kojima did. I just don't see him doing that in a million years!

Che.....Smash is I believe to far in production to include Megaman now. If Sakurai was going to include him, he'd already done it by now. Oh well.....

 

[miztavcruz17]

well this is disturbing news...well despite all this i still have high hopes for Mega Man in Brawl

 

[super-7]

yeah it says when it was posted but when did the interview take place?

 

[Cless]

Go look on Capcom's website.

 

[Danon]

Well, he hinted that nobody asked HIM.
Maybe, like Kojima, He asked Sakurai?

 

[Dagingabreadman]

Well, he hinted that nobody asked HIM.
Maybe, like Kojima, He asked Sakurai?

dawg, thats been brought up so many times
Ginj