Matchup Thread Export: Wario

[Sensei Seibrik]

utilt kills earlier, usmash does more damage/is easier.


below kill % i either bair, fair, or dair for damage. (bair can chain to more stuff)

dair sets up for potential re-grab

 

[DFat2]

utilt kills earlier, usmash does more damage/is easier.


below kill % i either bair, fair, or dair for damage. (bair can chain to more stuff)

dair sets up for potential re-grab

Yeah I forgot that Bair kills before U tilt and U smash if you Get CG'd up till the ledge. Depends on the stage as well (how close the blast zones are).

dair sets up for potential re-grab

Dair might set up for a potential Bair or Fair. That's with Bad/No SDI. I'm not buying the re grab.

 

[PhantomX]

I like everything Ling Ling has said. SH bair leaves more openings than FH bair, btw, b/c of landing lag. I know it's a different character, but I'm just giving an example. One of my favorite ways to land wafts on MK is airdodging through their sh fairs into buffered waft, which will hit them during landing frames.

Ling Ling is mentioning that if you do nothing but SH bairs, we will obvious hit you from above, where you are vulnerable, with a FH dair. You can't "react" when you're already committed to your bair. We can also sheildgrab bairs on our shield.

I honestly don't think aircamping works in this matchup, but I consider it even for everything the Puerto Rican has outlined You're talking about predicting the dude's moves, CO, which isn't related to matchup, but to you being good, lol.

Besides, I'll gladly take the fair/bair damage trades, as our sole purpose is getting you offstage, and every bit of damage makes that easier for us. When you're offstage we can use dairs/invincible nairs from the ledge/footstools/whatever to get you to use up your jumps and then up b for a free waft and death, or upair, or a fsmash to reset the offstage positioning, etc.

 

[CRASHiC]

SH bair leaves more openings than FH bair, btw, b/c of landing lag

They are auto canceling them.

You can't "react" when you're already committed to your bair. We can also sheildgrab bairs on our shield.

Except, 1, they are autocancling them, and 2 the ending lag on bair is barely existent at all.
If you full hop upair, there is plenty of time to uptilt.

 

[PhantomX]

Barely existent at all is enough for Wario to punish. There are many moves with barely any lag or that are autocanceled that "keep Wario" out, and there are ways around them (see, Marth's fair, and ICs nair/bair) and to punish them.

 

[CO18]

Phantom X theres no lag its not like Im fast falling the bair or anything there is litreally no difference in lag whether I was full hopping or short hopping.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Mmmm how about posting this in the Wario G/D so they can have a crack at this.

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

im sure thats what warios wake up in the morning to do, talk about ddd...

 

[DFat2]

I'm interested on reading what Fiction has to say about the match up.

I for one thought it was impossible against DDD untill he sat me down and explained it to me. I can't beat his DDD more than he can beat my Wario, but I don't loose agaisnt people that second or third him and use him just to counter me.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Why did you delete your post?

 

[PhantomX]

Eh, it was a little bit antagonizing, and I really didn't feel like getting into a big discussion the day before school starts and I have to wake up at 8, lol.

Also, SHHH. Other people can't tell that we've deleted things.

 

[T3h Albino]

8? why the phuck do i wake up 2 and a half hours before you?

 

[PhantomX]

Oops, I have to wake up at 6, my class starts at 8. We're in the same boat of pain, man.

 

[T3h Albino]

hooorayyy for waking up earlyyy!

 

[Sandtru27]

you guys are foolish for not listening to seibrik and co18 (to a lesser extent)

i swear, the d3s that lose to warios have to be brain dead (or they're on brinstar)

 

[DMG]

First off, don't throw Waddles in this matchup. They are close to useless against Wario.

It's possible frame wise for Wario to punish Dedede's SH Bair. You wait outside it's range, and poke Dedede with Fair as the move ends. Dedede cannot Dodge it. It's not very easy to do this as Wario, but it gets around Bair. Another way to get around it is to shield it and then just counter it (Bair on Wario's shield is pretty much a guaranteed punishment unless Wario reacts too slow).

Neutrals, Wario wins on BF, Smashville, and Lylat/PS1 if they are neutrals. He loses on FD and YI (YI might be 55:45 or even though, not sure it's a weird stage that neither character really loves that much).

Wario wins on his CP's, Dedede wins on his. 55:45 either character.

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

DMG MM!?!?!?!?


lol i wana play "good" warios

 

[DMG]

Sure. Uh you going to Pound?

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

yes i am, but how bout u get some TX to go to the halloween bash?

its in GA, three-4 states are going.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=243754&page=18


think of it as pound practice, somewhere u can REALLY learn the ddd matchup, before u wave around stats.

 

[o-Serin-o]

^^^^^^ Do eet. You'll be getting 5 D3's, a PT, and some ZSS in.

 

[DMG]

I can already beat PT and ZSS though lol. If Dedede really is that bad, I'll still be gay and CP you with a character Dedede will lose to guaranteed

Lol super gay I know lol.

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

I don't care much.


Too me theres no garunteed loss with ddd.

and u talked about neutrals, and thats where im gona beat you, so have fun winning ur 2nd match(maybe)

if i feel its that bad, i'll cp *** you with either a horrid stage for the character u dont main, or do the nasty and MK yo *** if u choose to stay that horrid character u dont main.


GG

 

[o-Serin-o]

LOL.

Ego much?

Plus, I'm talking about Reflex and Nick Riddle.

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

no ego, just bein realistic...

 

[PhantomX]

I don't care much.


Too me theres no garunteed loss with ddd.

and u talked about neutrals, and thats where im gona beat you, so have fun winning ur 2nd match(maybe)

if i feel its that bad, i'll cp *** you with either a horrid stage for the character u dont main, or do the nasty and MK yo *** if u choose to stay that horrid character u dont main.


GG

DMG doesn't really main anyone, though, so that second option is null.... he basically just plays as whoever he feels like playing gay with at the time.

 

[DMG]

DMG doesn't really main anyone, though, so that second option is null.... he basically just plays as whoever he feels like playing gay with at the time.

Correct.

Also Seibrik... don't go MK... If you do, I will let you hit me with Fair on purpose just so I can SDI it closer to you and into the ground, tech it in place, and fart.

I'll also do it to Dsmash and Ftilt.

Seibrik if we were to play on neutrals, that just gives me an incentive to play gayer.

 

[Technodeath]

so much hatin'. i honestly hate versing any wario, such an annoying character :/

my question is how could you play gayer, you cant get any worse than choosing wario :D hehe jokin around.

P.S. why so serious?

 

[Jupz]

I love versing warios

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

would that still work if i were full hopping fairs?

i assume u mean sh fairs

 

[DMG]

would that still work if i were full hopping fairs?

i assume u mean sh fairs

Full Hop Fairs I can actually SDI the same, and instead of a tech I would Double Jump --> Whatever Aerial would hit you. If you were being REALLY tricky and say, Delaying Fair towards a later part of the full hop where you would be able to Fast Fall, I would probably either just SDI out and away from you or I would see you full hopping and approach you from an angle closer to the ground.

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

and what about receeding fairs?

 

[DMG]

If I SDI hard enough, I can still do it. Retreating Fairs are obviously easier to SDI away from, but getting close enough inside is a bit harder. Still manageable, but if it is Full Hopped and covered with a timely Fast Fall once you realize I am about to SDI through, it covers it well enough that I can't reasonably punish it except with EXCEPTIONAL SDI combined with something retardedly fast like Nair. SH Fair is still a better Walling/spacing tool that Full Hopped Fair even if I can punish it easier than Full Hopped ones since Full Hopped Fairs leave MK too open afterwards and give Wario the dangerous chance to get under MK or gain a lot of ground for free.

 

[Sandtru27]

LOL are you guys really arguing over stupid things of how your "match" is gonna go down?

**** son, seibrik's just gonna punch you out cause he's black

 

[PhantomX]

Seibrik is the blackest white guy I've ever seen in person.

 

[CRASHiC]

Seibrik is the blackest white guy I've ever seen in person.

What? He's so tiny. Like, thin as a twig, and he's got the white boy beard, not to mention he's white as snow. His noise is pretty white-ish too.

I don't see it.

 

[PhantomX]

You just don't understand true thug, then.

 

[o-Serin-o]

o.o If Seibrik is like that... I will lol on Halloween.

 

[CRASHiC]

You just don't understand true thug, then.

Well, I guess true thungs don't have money for food, so I guess they would look like that.

 

[AtotheZ]

Correct.

Also Seibrik... don't go MK... If you do, I will let you hit me with Fair on purpose just so I can SDI it closer to you and into the ground, tech it in place, and fart.

I'll also do it to Dsmash and Ftilt.

Seibrik if we were to play on neutrals, that just gives me an incentive to play gayer.

That's just gay. I must learn this.

 

[Gates]

Serin is taking over this thread so I'm bumping it.