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I'm not sure. There is no local PM scene near me, so if I want to play PM at a higher level I have to go out of state. The only PM players I know are my 2 best friends. So really the only match ups I know are v. Roy and Lucas/Ness. On the wolf boards, the recommended secondary was "anyone with a projectile".
His shield pressure game is anything but piss poor, played some pretty good nesses with strange ass shine like pressure that was redic and the match literally became Up B OoS for me, this MU is ass for samus because she has no guarentee kills, ness can just spam bair in neutral and go for a bthrow past like 130
Terrible, and awful, respectively.
toon link is worse than zelda imo, just need to di out of up throw up B or d throw up b, cant remem which kills us, but we can up b out of it at higher percents, as for zelda, just hold a charge shot and bait out nyrules love over and over and space with zair to antagonize
so maybe use homing missles on zelda? and for toon link i think there should be something to deal with his air game
Thank you for your insightful comment on how to deal with the zelda MU... use side b... WOWW sucha good idea :/.... like dude thats one out of many options you need to be able to switch between... along with short hop zairs, smash missile cancels where you do them late so the missile doesnt come out but the animation does so it baits out neutral bs from zelda... ect
Thats kinda why im asking... to get a more detailed answer than " just hold a charge shot and bait out nyrules love over and over and space with zair to antagonize"
Honestly though, its the best way to approach the match up, individuals that like to use reflectors like docs cape, and zeldas neutral B.... will be more than willing to use it when you have a full charge shot in the tank, its a simple strategy of baiting out attacks without having to ever do anything or approach... but again this is just a basic strategy which you can think of all on your own, and is a way to approach the MU... i gave you my input and if you didnt like it or think it was enough, you could ask for more or private message me, instead of getting snippy or inspiring discussion with your sub par comments of what else to do in the MU
ph00tbag
the kid joined tuesday..... cmonits not something to try out... that works and you can easily deduce that yourself, stop writing off what I say and calling me KLit or we are going to have a problem... again... and no he is better off just reading to begin with until he gets to a point where he can contribute
Well I really like what pooch was doing where he breaks down the whole matchup and analyses it. I feel that that information is very helpful for me and I'm sure there are others who can greatly benefit from it as well. Not to say that your strats aren't also helpful barbie, cause I like the way you simplify large amounts of experience and data into viable strategies.
Or you can answer his questions without acting like he's a stain. Until you start treating people with respect here, I'm going to keep calling you KLit, because changing your name doesn't change who you are.
Ok **** face, ill start calling you that every time you call me KLit, you are a sub par player at best, and you have no right to question or curb my actions
This thread isnt that active, mainly because PM is dead for now (yippie), go play melee if you want a fun game that you can actually improve in, instead of the game doing all the tech for you, if you need help with any specific match ups you are more than welcome to message me and ask, Phoot feels its his job to police me so I dont get too mean but really hes just making an enemy of myself by doing so... again.... Of course I have an inflated ego online, mainly because I know samus better than almost anyone else on an informational standpoint, but on a one on one, I am much more helpful and less condescending ^_^
What does my skill level have to do with you treating new players with something approaching tact? Like, at least a baseline level of respect for their basic dignity? You can call me what you want. You can think of me what you want. I've been called worse by people I have a lot more respect for than you, so I couldn't possibly care less. But anytime you treat new players like **** for literally no reason, I'm going to call you out on it, because that ****'s plain unacceptable.
So you're clearly an intelligent person, and you aknowledge that you're an asshole online. Maybe you could change the way you say things in order to more accurately communicate. In this grass roots community its extremely vital to attract new players and give a warm welcome rather than make them feel like trash. For instance, I need a lot of help and practice with playing samus in smash bros, but I'm also a very intelligent person nonetheless and shouldn't be treated as though I'm incompetent just for my lack of skill in a game.
Im retired for the most part from competitive play, I had no one to hold my hand, but instead got similar comments when I first joined, I learned everything through research, you can do the same and having your hand held doesnt help you, the best way I can help you is to tell you.... to treat your game like a project for school you want a 100% on... think about strategy, what you want to accomplish, what you know your opponent wants to accomplish and how to construct a plan generally around your own character to fit each match up, that is really all it takes to be a good player, that and practice the execution of movement and spacing attacks, everything else can and should be done yourself...because this is your play style, your samus, and your experience in the community. This community is no longer grass roots, and the welcome I give is only present in person, online I could give a crap about every new player that asks and or wants help unless it is directed at me specifically and asked in a nice and polite way, as for you being an intelligent person, you very may well be... prove it by doing the research and understanding the game at the most fundamental level to construct what you deem to be a viable and adaptive strategy for your samus. I hate the majority of the community because they are stupid, unhygienic and very cliquey... I joined because I enjoy the game, I love my character and I got good because I wanted to win, if you work your ass off you can be just as good if not better than me in a year or less
Its a barbie doll in the metroid zero suit samus suit.... Aka I am ken... and the character I play... Is barbie, its an ironic tag because the tag I originally used... KLit was not accepted by the majority of TOs and Streamers for offensive reasons.... despite my name being... Ken Litt. I think you have a poor understanding of what a match up really is, and I do not mean that in any negative way. The absoulte best way to define a match up is the pit falls, and benefits for each character, that constructs the neutral game of what to avoid, from your opponent, what your opponent to avoid from you, and your basic set of what you do best, fastest and has the longest range in the MU, work your way from long range to short range and see what works where and why. Some match ups you are going to lose the zoning game, and you need to have your close quarters combat ready to go and in top shape or you are going to get bopped, and some match ups you just need to understand that. HOWEVER... how you approach those match up and what execution you decide on... IS HOW YOU PLAY THE GAME, that is your strategy and something you should be doing on your own, because it is what seperates you from pooch, and pooch from chevy.... chevy from myself.... ECT...
Gooley, get the **** off the samus board and dont come again
Hey, so Sonic gets f**ked by samus right? You should know, right? A good Samus f*cked you hard, amirite? I mean, we've already gone over the matchup, so this is common knowledge for all us samus mains, so you being here contributes nothing to matchup discussions.
No. I was just a bit angry when I said that and then I blew up at that guy. The matchup is rather close but I think a bit in samus' s favor. Bomb is apparently really good for samus. Low land canceled missiles force sonic in the air to eat an aerial or somrthing if sonic spaces poorly. Nair can catch sonic since it lasts long and outprioritizes a lot of sonic's moves.
