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[Death Bear]

making a leap of logic

Vote Omni

 

[BSP]

No Hetero, look at what you said regarding Jerkus' post on Kary:

Just reread Jerkus' reasoning for voting Kary to see what Gheb was talking about him being "okay" with the way he handled it.

Jerkus basically uses a bunch of lame buzzwords like "back door" and "lazy lynch" and gets people ****riding him. Sad.

Jerkus, I hate you.

You defend Kary here for some reason by attacking Jerkus' post. Instead actually looking into the slot that is actually quite suspicious, you just attack the post against it. Note: attack, not even refute. You're just attacking it for some reason while trying to push the Dabuz lynch.

What are you trying to do?

 

[Omni]

making a leap of logic

Vote Omni

logic is good

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Okay, step by step. We can do this.

First off, Kary

What I don't understand is this. I've basically explicitly stated that I'm pushing dabuz on a little thing to see how he reacts, because I have a scum-vibe from him.

Okay, this is fair only that posts like you coming into the thread to say something "Hey is Dabuz lynched" is not really helping the point. I wouldn't expect this attitude from you and I feel that even if your playstyle is borderline on silly, you're better than that. I could actually give two instances where you've done this before.

How is my read supposed to have developed given that he's basically not posted? Every single page brings someone else saying 'what are you doing, Kary?' and the answer is always the same.

You've given your stance of it from your perspective, what else is there to do but wait it out? This almost feels like you're admitting that you had no reason to push Dabuz in the way you did. I'm really worried about you and I want you to explain if your reasoning is also the same on Bardull, which, by the way, you did also.

Do I still want Dabuz? Well, I still want him to post. I still want him to do something beyond questioning my push, maybe ask a pro-town question or two, take a stance.
Do I still think he's plausibly scum based on his early-game posts and reaction to my push? Yes.
Am I ready to execute someone yet? No.

I think Dabuz even as scum would be aware that you want him if you made it clear. Don't like the bolded, don't understand your need to push something so hard if you weren't ready to the end the day, looking at your early posts I could have sworn you'd be okay with Dabuz getting lynched. Why not?

And I voted Death Bear because they're playing pointless questions again and I only have so much patience to give them. I can't tell whether they're scum faking content just yet, but I will get there. The vote is to make a point, that they deserve scrutiny.

But they don't deserve the same treatment you gave Bardull and Dabuz? You could say 'oh well he's active' but that's a load of crap if I look at it considering everything that I've said. Your actions don't justify your explanations Kary, I wouldn't have a problem if I didn't think you were lying through your teeth and trying to come with an excuse for your play.

You realize that votes mean nothing, right?

Two or three times I have looked at someone make a sort of summary post, and gone 'that's interesting, but what are you actually doing, being pro-active about, pursuing', and so I've been asking people to vote BarDulL/Dabuz to try and get more action out of people.

Do you feel your actions had an effect? I certainly didn't. I don't understand how you screaming for a lynch is going to get action out of people, if anything, they'd look at you and why you're hollering and ranting about in the first place. Now tell me what you got out of this since it was more important. You haven't really given me a clear answer compared to earlier how you felt, did something change? Or are you just scum and can't explain yourself willingly? Maybe that's why you try to shut off Bardull so easily, I don't think you'd be one to be that stubborn.

 

[No Hetero]

@ gheb

I'm aware you have a question for me. Can't tackle it right now cuz I'm at work and don't have time to comb through the thread. Give me, like, 12 hours.

BSP, I'm trying to get people to ignore Jerkus' bad direction and focus on dabuz cuz he's the best play. I don't know who you mean when you say "look into a slot that is actually quite suspicious"? Pleae don't actually answer this though. All I know is that I have ZERO interest in Jerkus' suspicions at the moment.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

quick question for soup: if you had to guess a 3 man scumteam who would it be?

Hard to decide between what's stupid and what's scum. I cannot stand Bardull this game, I really would like the bullet to decide his fact but really his arrogance towards things just seems like a cocky town through and through. I dunno. Really don't like Kary after getting into his posts. Dabuz still scum of the month. Would bet money between Mastermind/JDietz for the other.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

More lean on Dietz if I think about it. I'll give Mastermind benefit of the doubt.

What do you think about Jerkus anyways? You've had some exchanges with him in this game, I'm interested in your opinion. I might re-read this game to get a better analysis, I was admittingly hard skimming half of this **** as it really didn't interest. I missed on some things however because of this and I would deem as careless on my part.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

gheb how would you feel if i called you scum.

While you're at it, tell me how you feel on Death Bear. Some of his posts I cannot stand. This was unprovoked and pointless.

 

[BSP]

Kary, look at what you’ve said regarding Dabuz

Of course, I can't be sure, I've never even played with you before.But it seemed reasonable to pressure you and see how you'd react. It's RVS, after all.

#303 – it’s RVS, you aren’t sure

haha

no


i mean for serious, you apparently think i want dabuz lynched at this stage, which shows a remarkable lack of awareness of any sort of meta on my slot.
i'm always going to want to spill out D1 as much as possible and take the best lynch I can get in terms of suiting my reads/connections, which I obviously can't have achieved at this stage.

but there you go

i'll catch you later

#385 – the bolded implies that you think anyone who thinks you want Dabuz lynched now is incorrect. So you’re still not sure.

Right now I think you're scum, until you prove me wrong.



You say this as though it's a bad thing. I think you might reasonably be scum.




Just going to point out that I have been in favour of people voting dabuz. See also: my response to Jerkus.

#459- Now you call Dabuz scum, straight up.
This is the only post Dabuz made inbetween your 385 and 459

Oh please, you're just twisting words.




"What?" @ bolded.



So, is this a problem to you? Is this justification for having a scum read on me? Was there a point of bringing this up?



I'm not convinced you even think I'm scum. I underlined the bolded because your hesitant to stamp you're foot down and say I'm scum. "There is a chance dabuz might be scum." That's not even a committed stance.

You're just pressuring for the sake of having pressure. Seeing the reaction you can get.

To answer your questions.

1: Yes
2: I did not get that vibe that Bardull is trying too hard to be town when I read the interaction between you two.









What is thiiiiiiis? Why are you voting Death Bear?

Do you have a read on Jdietz? If so, what is it?




@No Hetero: I get the vibe from you jumping on my wagon while refusing to give reasoning that you just want attention. Am I correct? Am I wrong? Either way, elaborate.

What in this post confirmed Dabuz as scum to you?

What I don't understand is this. I've basically explicitly stated that I'm pushing dabuz on a little thing to see how he reacts, because I have a scum-vibe from him.

How is my read supposed to have developed given that he's basically not posted? Every single page brings someone else saying 'what are you doing, Kary?' and the answer is always the same.

Do I still want Dabuz? Well, I still want him to post. I still want him to do something beyond questioning my push, maybe ask a pro-town question or two, take a stance.
Do I still think he's plausibly scum based on his early-game posts and reaction to my push? Yes.
Am I ready to execute someone yet? No.

And I voted Death Bear because they're playing pointless questions again and I only have so much patience to give them. I can't tell whether they're scum faking content just yet, but I will get there. The vote is to make a point, that they deserve scrutiny.



You realize that votes mean nothing, right?

Two or three times I have looked at someone make a sort of summary post, and gone 'that's interesting, but what are you actually doing, being pro-active about, pursuing', and so I've been asking people to vote BarDulL/Dabuz to try and get more action out of people.

In literally the next post you made, you went from scum read to scum vibe. I don’t even have to ask you what made you change your mind, because nothing could have. Then,

Nope. I don't mean clear/condemn him simply by lynching him. I mean pressure him and figure out whether he's dumb/scum now, rather than later when the game's on the line.



Seems a bit pre-emptive to expect me to have lined up inquiries on dabuz's flip, given that I'm actively trying to read dabuz and have no interest in lynching him just now. But anyways.

Right now I'm looking broadly to see whether he's trying to paint me as scum/discredit me, or otherwise throw out a scumflail. Points such as his 'you're twisting my words' are interesting in this respect.

Your first section is false. You’re obviously not sure whether or not Dabuz is scum as demonstrated above. You just want his lynch without being sure. I’m not even going to scrounge up all the posts you made telling people to vote for Dabuz.

You also say that it’s too early to expect you to have reads on Dabuz’s flip – this confirms that you haven’t really thought the scum read out. Also, notice that you say the underlined when you’ve already told Dabuz you think he’s scum.

Can you explain this?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Vote: Kary
Vote: JDietz43
Vote: Dabuz

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

ok let's end this on Dabuz or Kary BSP I have to see a flip on one of them.

 

[Death Bear]

i took it more like kary knows he doesn't have anything substantial to push me on and tried to vote me to establish a presence on someone else besides dabuz, which i classified as null-ish with a "kary plays bad D1 lean"

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm serious about my last post. I don't even want to post anymore until I see a flip on one of them. No Joking.

 

[Death Bear]

hey soup, is dabuz the vinyl of this game ?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't know, what are you getting at here? I haven't even fully looked at his response but it was pretty bull**** and overreacting on every sense of the word.

I seriously just want to end this day right now.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

BSP be a homie and hbc this ****

 

[Death Bear]

ehhh lets see here:

as town vinyls play is extremely easy to make look scummy as balls and is probably one of the easier mislynches you could safely push as scum.

whereas scum it shines right through and his mates usually end up bussing him because his play is legit that questionable.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

oh my god Kary/Dabuz is so ****ing obvious right now and JDietz is the ****ing peanut butter of this scum sandwich

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I might make a case otherwise I'll probably just go full hbc. I hate myself for missing these things.

 

[Death Bear]

I'm feeling Omni moreso than JD soup, what's pushing JD for you ?
I can hardly even remember the things he's posted in all honesty

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Kary/Dabuz mostly but I'm just thinking JDietz fits if they're both scum. I really just want to see a flip now, I don't find much reason to prolong the day if you ask me, a lot of people want Dabuz and even if I don't get Kary today I need a confirmation on one of them before I go ahead and call it like I am. If he flips scum, You better ****ing know it I will be hardbody on both those scum *****es.

 

[Death Bear]

I'm going to say kary > dabuz preferably as kary has had more interactions to work with especially with dabuz in perticular

 

[BSP]

BSP be a homie and hbc this ****

Slow down. Don't forget, you were fine with Kary and even pointed out that he had stances before I brought it up.

First, answer this 2nd oversight of yours (you gotta hit the arrow, the quotes didn't carry):

Soup, again. This is when you were mentioning why you were fine with Dabuz's lynch



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Where are you getting stances from? All I grasped from that is that he wasn't fine with Gheb's play so far.

Now, in regards to Kary, you've 180'd on him, which makes me even more skeptical of what you were doing before I showed you that he didn't have any stances.

You're still a top choice for toDay

Vote: Kary
Vote: JDietz43
Vote: Dabuz

Explain to me where you go on Kary's flips.

Why is Jdietz scum?

Why is Dabuz scum?

Why isn't No Hetero a scum choice?

Hard to decide between what's stupid and what's scum. I cannot stand Bardull this game, I really would like the bullet to decide his fact but really his arrogance towards things just seems like a cocky town through and through. I dunno. Really don't like Kary after getting into his posts. Dabuz still scum of the month. Would bet money between Mastermind/JDietz for the other.

See the above 3 questions

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I had a braingasm in my mind and suddenly everything made sense to me

sue me, I don't even care at this point one needs to go before I even start to talk about the others.

Make it happen

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

If Kary flips scum
Instantly on Dabuz

If Dabuz flips scum
Instantly on Kary

If neither flip scum, I'm not sure and I would seriously have to ponder what kind of scumteam we're dealing with

 

[Death Bear]

Soup now knows what i felt when i had my indyKantrip read in BAM

 

[BSP]

Soup, pull something up that led you to those connections.

Why no town flip options? You have thought these scum reads through, haven't you?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I have thought them through but what I need you to do is man up and execute one before I even start talking about the others, I'm not going make a giant case about it and then get it completely wrong afterwords, I need the flip before things are set in motion. I'm fine with Dabuz with his already transparent posting and I think I've made it clear why I'm fine with Kary now. It took me a minute but you asking to elaborate on these stances isn't really going to get me to do anything else.

Seriously, I am on my knees begging BSP, what's stopping you from ending the day? You think I'd try this hard to get someone lynched as scum? This is rhetorical and I want your insight on it as you're already hesistant, you've already shown dislike to Kary yourself and majority of town wants Dabuz. I don't get what's stopping you.

 

[Death Bear]

if you care BSP, my dabuz read is hot n cold with Kary's flip , if kary were to flip town, i'd know his push was legit , something i questioned previously, if kary flips scum however , then i've got to decide how much dabuz is the vinyl of this game, in terms of whether he was just the easiest target for scum to try and ML or whether he was the clear choice to be bussed for town cred

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

'Mastermind hasn't really posted yet'

lol he won't post that much and EE is probably hogging the QT him and Ryker have

'JDietz hasn't either'

lol he's not going to post much else either he hasn't shown interest since then deal with it later

After that, what's left with you not shooting? If your answer is because of me, then I need to make it really clear how certain I am of this. This is not about being restless, this is about doing what needs to be done. If you're really against shooting someone without the reasoning I've already stated then you need to tell me. Stating that the day hasn't panned out long enough isn't a justifiable one either and as stated before nearly everyone wants Dabuz. There's a couple that don't want Kary but that's when on Dabuz' flip we look at the intent of how many people wanted him, this includes for both instances.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

EBWOP: Or didn't want him*

Same with Dabuz tbh.

 

[Omni]

jdietz does feel very lurkirish. but so does hando. regardless

If Kary flips scum
Instantly on Dabuz

If Dabuz flips scum
Instantly on Kary

If neither flip scum, I'm not sure and I would seriously have to ponder what kind of scumteam we're dealing with

dont do that

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

hey omni are you against ending the day

 

[Omni]

I'm going to say kary > dabuz preferably as kary has had more interactions to work with especially with dabuz in perticular

 

[Omni]

now? no. i want mastermind to just talk a little bit. idc what he says but i want something on paper.

definitely fine with ending the Day as soon as that happens.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

hey if dabuz/kary doesn't flip scum can you like make sure you have a mop handy because im going to be crying a lot of *****tears

 

[BSP]

Soup, don't try to come in here and tell me what I need to do. You're just as much of a scumspect to me as Kary. The fact that you put a vote on Jdietz while not saying a word about No Hetero alone is really suspicious to me. I don't know how you could've come to that conclusion if you actually looked at both of their posts. That's not even considering that you're had 2 statement oversights and you're just brushing them off. I can't just let those fly.

I'll end the day when I'm good and ready.

 

[Death Bear]

Omni, why do you care so much about mastermind ?

 

[BSP]

Also, if you haven't, you can stop with the votes. I've pretty much have ideas for today.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup, don't try to come in here and tell me what I need to do. You're just as much of a scumspect to me as Kary. The fact that you put a vote on Jdietz while not saying a word about No Hetero alone is really suspicious to me. I don't know how you could've come to that conclusion if you actually looked at both of their posts. That's not even considering that you're had 2 statement oversights and you're just brushing them off. I can't just let those fly.

I'll end the day when I'm good and ready.

Did you just not read anything I said

Okay and let me know when this is because you're just dodging the question