Mass Effect (King Maker) - Glorious Way to End the Day. Mafia Wins!

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm really split @executing dabuz. Reading through both sides of the argument [Kary pro-lynch, Jerkus anti-lynch] it seems like both have their merit making it hard to get an idea about how to read Kary and Jerkus in that context. Jerkus' attack against Kary doesn't look like he's chainsaw-defending dabuz to me - it just looks like an honest attempt to pin down the scumKary he's seeing right now. I know that because I've used a similar line of thought as town many times in the past with J and I having a history of influencing each other's plays [Circus kinda too I guess]. Thus far I am OK with how Jerkus are handling this. Then again, Kary tends to appear to me as a rather goofy, if not downright silly player at times so I wouldn't be surprised if he's just tapping in the dark right now. Regardless, I think atm Kary is definitely a better play than Jerkus although me being unsure about dabuz himself [and generally not being a fan of lynching people for 'information'] I still can't get a good idea just on how much that means.

I will say though that I like neither Omni nor marshy so far in this game.

 

[No Hetero]

Just reread Jerkus' reasoning for voting Kary to see what Gheb was talking about him being "okay" with the way he handled it.

Jerkus basically uses a bunch of lame buzzwords like "back door" and "lazy lynch" and gets people ****riding him. Sad.

Jerkus, I hate you.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

The problem with dabutt is him saying "the king should be comfortable doing what they want to" and "the king doing X means I'll kill them" in the same post, it's predictive lynch logic, and it's circular. See also Gheb's callout of dabutt for a different post in the same vein.

1.) What's wrong with predictive lynch logic in general? What's wrong with dabuz' logic in this case in particular? The essence of his logic is very similar to mine yet you never voiced any issues with it [or other players who openly subscribe to a similar approach].

2.) How is his logic "circular"? The two 'premises' you paraphrased don't logically justify each other and dabuz never made any attempts to do so. That's something you're putting into his mouth / thought process right now. You can make both statements at the same time and it's neither circular not contradictory.

3.) Why do you keep talking about me calling out dabuz? This is the 2nd of my posts where I actually analyze his playerslot, most of my interactions up to this point have been exclusively with Bardull and BSP. I've never made that callout but you mentioned it at least twice.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Just reread Jerkus' reasoning for voting Kary to see what Gheb was talking about him being "okay" with the way he handled it.

Jerkus basically uses a bunch of lame buzzwords like "back door" and "lazy lynch" and gets people ****riding him. Sad.

Jerkus, I hate you.

So basically Jerkus has used the kind of terminology that doesn't included empty punchlines like "HARD BODY", "GET 'EM", "YOLO" and therefore you don't like it.

OH MY GOD THAT'S SO LAME AND SCUMMY, RIGHT?!?

No stfu with that crap. If you actually looked at things a little less idiotic you'd not only see that YOU are the one throwing out lame buzzwords [such as 'whiteknighting' in every other post] but that the content of his point actually holds a lot of merit - the context of his usage of the word "back door", for example, is just 100% spot-on. If you can't see it that's your problem. I don't think you really *wanna* see it in the first place.

 

[Jerkus]

Circus, don't be a wet blanket. Dabuz rattles my noodle. Go look at Gheb, who I pointed you to w.r.t. datbutt, specifically because you asked me to substantiate what you know is a gut read, on someone you will surely admit needs light shed. I'll drop in tomorrow, we'll talk, I might even have some naked men to share around. Don't give me grief.

I wasn't even trying to give you grief! You literally just portrayed me as some evil dictator because I asked you to participate in one of the simplest elements of this game—informative debate. What's worse is that you tried to play off your deflection with self-meta and the excuse of "well, if I said anything, it would just help the mafia." Not only is the second excuse a lie, but giving both of those defenses is...well, overly defensive.

Also, "someone will surely admit needs light shed?" Of course! Like half the roster. There are plenty of people that still need to be figured out. Even my strong reads could still use plenty more looking into. What makes Dabuz special to the exclusion of anyone else? Mastermind just made his first post of the game—where has your light been for him?

And I can tell you something right now. Posts like these:

vote dabuz
fos everyone not voting

so can we lynch dabuz and call it a day?

marshy half here surprise

it doesnt have to be like this jerkus. we can destroy dabuz together

do not "shed light" on anything.

There is a pretty obvious reason for why I would be skeptical of people who just cry for Dabuz's head with no/poor reasoning. Lack of good reasoning is bad on its own, but it's particularly suspect when it's coupled with an attack on a player like Dabuz. Acting like planting your vote on the most easily scapegoated player in the game and screaming "Execute dabuz i don't have to explain myself lalalala" is good enough play and I should just accept it is absurd.

Make sure Omni actually answers questions you ask him.

Thanks, that's a good idea. On that topic, why should I hold Omni to a higher standard for cooperation than you?

Finally, if you want to use a post from Gheb as a model for your own feelings on Dabuz (not ideal; it shouldn't be hard to type up your own read), then you'll have to do the super inconvenient, incredibly difficult, how-could-i-even-ask-you-to-do-this task of linking me to the post from him that you specifically mean. He's only made, like, a dozen posts in this game, but I can't find the one you're talking about.

Also, since you are already apparently trying to pre-empt whatever I say, I want to make something clear—you made this discussion about you. I did not attack you. I was after Kary, had an innocuous side conversation going on with you, and you made things painful for no reason and took all the focus. You do not get to act like I'm bullying you.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And yet, this very sentence lessens this ****ty "pressure" that people like to do. If I was scum and read this I'd just be like, "Aight well Ruy is a sissy and will go out of his way to cockblock No Hetero's attacks on me for absolutely no reason and he JUST SAID that he's not okay killing me. Excellent. Let me sit back and watch him talk forever and let Town eventually execute someone else due to them having the attention span of ants".

This game is going to be difficult Death Bear. It's Day ONE and we already have JDietz and Jerkus trying to play superhero and do everything in their power to ruin the dabuz lynch and basing their suspicions around everyone who goes after him. This possibly doesn't even include dabuz's potential scumbuddies who may do crazy **** to keep him alive. Pathetic. We don't need more players like that. Both halves of you are better than that.

Are you ********

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Omni just rubs me the wrong way. As townie he tends to be very zealous, sometimes even overzealous but despite that I could always take him serious and at face value. In this game I can take virtually none of his post serious at all =/

 

[No Hetero]

1. So basically Jerkus has used the kind of terminology that doesn't included empty punchlines like "HARD BODY", "GET 'EM", "YOLO" and therefore you don't like it.

2. OH MY GOD THAT'S SO LAME AND SCUMMY, RIGHT?!?

3. No stfu with that crap. 4. If you actually looked at things a little less idiotic you'd not only see that YOU are the one throwing out lame buzzwords [such as 'whiteknighting' in every other post] but that the content of his point actually holds a lot of merit - the context of his usage of the word "back door", for example, is just 100% spot-on. If you can't see it that's your problem. 5. I don't think you really *wanna* see it in the first place.

1. The only one of these phrases I've used is "hardbody". If YOU are going to attribute **** to me, get it right.

2. Yes.

3. No.

4. Lol. You YOURSELF say that Jerkus' use of "back door" is 100% spot on. Who cares? That doesn't make the person likelier to be scum. And if you want to talk about context (which has NOTHING to do with the point being made here but whatever) then you'd see MY use of whiteknighting has been 100% spot on as well. If you can't see it that's your problem.

5. You're right. I just want to see dabuz dead for now.

It's not too late to replace in as Spaghebti. Do town a favor? [The other post you made was **** Nabe said so he can deal with that garbage].

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You YOURSELF say that Jerkus' use of "back door" is 100% spot on. Who cares? That doesn't make the person likelier to be scum.

You're right. Correctly pointing out scummy behavior doesn't make that person more likely to be scum. What am I thinking?

 

[No Hetero]

Look at this Gheb:

Kary said: "Of course, I can't be sure, I've never even played with you [dabuz] before. But it seemed reasonable to pressure you and see how you'd react. It's RVS, after all."

Jerkus points at the bolded and says: "Backdoor! NOPE. YOU'RE STUCK TO THIS READ!"

What garbage. I have played with Kary. I have [quick]lynched Kary. I have nightkilled Kary. Lacking confidence and flip flopping is a Kary-tell. Chalking it up to some sort of contingency scumplan is weak and is just as easily explained by Kary's characteristic pansyness.

And Jerkus accuses me of going for the little ones

 

[Jerkus]

Just reread Jerkus' reasoning for voting Kary to see what Gheb was talking about him being "okay" with the way he handled it.

Jerkus basically uses a bunch of lame buzzwords like "back door" and "lazy lynch" and gets people ****riding him. Sad.

Jerkus, I hate you.

 

[No Hetero]

And I can tell you something right now. Posts like these: [insert posts where marshy says dabuz needs to die while offering zero evidence]

do not "shed light" on anything.

There is a pretty obvious reason for why I would be skeptical of people who just cry for Dabuz's head with no/poor reasoning. Lack of good reasoning is bad on its own, but it's particularly suspect when it's coupled with an attack on a player like Dabuz. Acting like planting your vote on the most easily scapegoated player in the game and screaming "Execute dabuz i don't have to explain myself lalalala" is good enough play and I should just accept it is absurd.

Yet you had no problem with similar lack of reasoning in literally every other game we have played together recently.

How I wish this was close to our relationship in this game. Still don't buy your complaining of me offering no reasoning and acting like this is our first game together.

 

[Jerkus]

Yet you had no problem with similar lack of reasoning in literally every other game we have played together recently.

This is so the opposite of the truth it makes my head spin. Go read G3S #2 Mafia again. One of my main problems with you in that game was your complete refusal to cooperate. I was asking you who you thought was scum and why over and over and over again and you weren't answering me.

And yes, I know, you were town in that game. Like I already mentioned earlier in this very game, I do expect you to push for quicklynches. I do expect you to be light on details in regards to reads. But you are being remarkably dense on this. I have not been able to get a clear idea on exactly where you stand, nor why, on Dabuz, even though he's the one you've been talking about for most of the game so far. Here:

holy ****? who made those last posts from jerkus? talk about disgusting

I've given you multiple chances to elaborate on this and you haven't. You can't tell me you posted something as incendiary as that without expecting me to request some follow up. Explain what you find so disgusting. All I've seen you say on the matter so far is a half-***** whiteknighting (look, I can use that term too) of Kary, saying I shouldn't bother pointing out a clear attempt at backdooring because Kary apparently just does that. That makes my whole post "disgusting?" Is such a pitiful amount of meta analysis really enough to throw suspicion of Kary out the window? If that's the case, am I scum to you? You must have called me out for a reason. Get at me if you're gettin' at me.

Also:

youre asking me to pull quotes and produce reasoning for why dabuz needs to die. that is awful. we are on like page 6 and youre asking for me to put in a lot of effort that i dont care to do when i can just scream for him to die. youre asking me to care. youre asking me to cater to your whim. youre asking me to post words in this thread that he and/or dumb/scum people can twist in order to manipulate town out of his lynch. not my style

Circus, don't be a wet blanket. Dabuz rattles my noodle. Go look at Gheb, who I pointed you to w.r.t. datbutt, specifically because you asked me to substantiate what you know is a gut read, on someone you will surely admit needs light shed.

Which is it, guy? Is Dabuz a legitimate scum read that you're pushing ("BSP, just make sure Dabuz dies toDay," "Jerkus, help me destroy Dabuz") or are you just pressuring a null to get a read ("Dabuz is a slot that needs some light shed on it")?

Also, which is it? Are you dismissing my question because answering me would give mafia leverage to help Dabuz out of the noose (bull****, btw)? Or do you just not have any reasoning for Dabuz push because you're still just trying to "shed light" on what started out as an RVS vote? Is Dabuz scum or null?

2. yes you are jerkus. youre asking me to pull quotes and produce reasoning for why dabuz needs to die. that is awful. we are on like page 6 and youre asking for me to put in a lot of effort that i dont care to do when i can just scream for him to die. youre asking me to care. youre asking me to cater to your whim. youre asking me to post words in this thread that he and/or dumb/scum people can twist in order to manipulate town out of his lynch. not my style

And I really can't emphasize enough how much this entire line of thinking is absolute BS. Your argument here is, literally, "if I post reasoning for why Dabuz is scum, then scum will use that to save Dabuz." Everything can be used to do the exact opposite of what the poster intends, apparently. By this logic, no one should ever post at all, because every word uttered is just one more tool that scum can twist into a weapon against town. Come on, bro. You are unraveling in front of me.

Also, shout out to J for holding up his end of the hydra by posting that last picture. Way to be, partner.

 

[Omni]

Omni just rubs me the wrong way. As townie he tends to be very zealous, sometimes even overzealous but despite that I could always take him serious and at face value. In this game I can take virtually none of his post serious at all =/

i think you will be alone in that category. if you think I haven't said anything of merit so far your vote should be on me.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Well of course I did. I'm not going to let people make claims like that and get away with it.

I'm waiting on an explanation.

I've skimmed Kary's post and if anything looking at it I see where I was wrong on it. I don't see any stances and if anything I'm starting to more lean on scum considering the attitude in them. I'm not sure if he's being stubborn as scum tough, but it feels like Nercomafia Kary to say the least. I'll look into it more after I've caught up again. You guys don't stop posting.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Last few pages were boring. I really want to like Death Bear but then RR posted.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Reading Kary again, he's acting weird. I'm sure I had a meta on him before but what I don't like is what Jerkus already elaborated in his earlier post when he voted with Kary.

Kary, you're on a posting high, I read a lot of your posts and they seem really pointless or just add on an earlier point you made, but the fact remains is that this high isn't just because you're pursuing what you want. If anything, It's you clinging to your read yet not putting any effort to substantiate it OR pursue it. Simply put, A lot of it is filler.

Do you still want Dabuz? Why the switch on Death Bear?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't even get why you were pushing Bardull the way you were, I'm kinda shaking my head at this moment for bluntly skimming it but your means don't meet the end. I can understand pressure but the only sort of pressure I seen is that you came back once or twice to call for votes on Bardull, without leaving a specific reason. It's the same avenue as Dabuz too. I'm bothered by it now that I think of it.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Dietz and Kary, read each other already. Sweet Elton H. John.

Hmm I'll get to you on that. Maybe JD did something aside from be incredulous about my slot that I missed.

Oh please, you're just twisting words.

Or trying to read your intent. I personally see no reason to make it known that you actually have no opinion on the way that the Day is run, but maybe you and I are very different players.

Obviously what I posted isn't what you posted, but I'm pointing out what I think is a notable similarity.

"What?" @ bolded.

You were asking me why you're scum, which I was answering literally, then figuratively.

So, is this a problem to you? Is this justification for having a scum read on me? Was there a point of bringing this up?

You seeming defensive? It's not a problem, but I find it interesting, so yeah I'm gonna bring it up. Maybe you just don't like pressure.

I'm not convinced you even think I'm scum. I underlined the bolded because your hesitant to stamp you're foot down and say I'm scum. "There is a chance dabuz might be scum." That's not even a committed stance.

Or, 'there's a good chance that dabuz is scum, but I can't be sure for obvious reasons, i.e. not knowing his alignment, early days'

Right now I think you're scum, until you prove me wrong.

You're just pressuring for the sake of having pressure. Seeing the reaction you can get.

You say this as though it's a bad thing. I think you might reasonably be scum. I'm pressuring to try and further that read.

To answer your questions.

1: Yes
2: I did not get that vibe that Bardull is trying too hard to be town when I read the interaction between you two.

So what was the hold-up?

I'm really split @executing dabuz. Reading through both sides of the argument [Kary pro-lynch, Jerkus anti-lynch]

Just going to point out that I have been in favour of people voting dabuz. See also: my response to Jerkus.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Kary, you're on a posting high, I read a lot of your posts and they seem really pointless or just add on an earlier point you made, but the fact remains is that this high isn't just because you're pursuing what you want. If anything, It's you clinging to your read yet not putting any effort to substantiate it OR pursue it. Simply put, A lot of it is filler.

Do you still want Dabuz? Why the switch on Death Bear?

What I don't understand is this. I've basically explicitly stated that I'm pushing dabuz on a little thing to see how he reacts, because I have a scum-vibe from him.

How is my read supposed to have developed given that he's basically not posted? Every single page brings someone else saying 'what are you doing, Kary?' and the answer is always the same.

Do I still want Dabuz? Well, I still want him to post. I still want him to do something beyond questioning my push, maybe ask a pro-town question or two, take a stance.
Do I still think he's plausibly scum based on his early-game posts and reaction to my push? Yes.
Am I ready to execute someone yet? No.

And I voted Death Bear because they're playing pointless questions again and I only have so much patience to give them. I can't tell whether they're scum faking content just yet, but I will get there. The vote is to make a point, that they deserve scrutiny.

I can understand pressure but the only sort of pressure I seen is that you came back once or twice to call for votes on Bardull, without leaving a specific reason. It's the same avenue as Dabuz too. I'm bothered by it now that I think of it.

You realize that votes mean nothing, right?

Two or three times I have looked at someone make a sort of summary post, and gone 'that's interesting, but what are you actually doing, being pro-active about, pursuing', and so I've been asking people to vote BarDulL/Dabuz to try and get more action out of people.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

No Hetero;

#1 Why the question to soup about dgamesia? I want to say that's the sort of question you get a solid read off someone from (see also: Ronike + gun PM64), but I don't understand the context.

#2 What do you think of BarDulL?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Kary said: "Of course, I can't be sure, I've never even played with you [dabuz] before. But it seemed reasonable to pressure you and see how you'd react. It's RVS, after all."

Jerkus points at the bolded and says: "Backdoor! NOPE. YOU'RE STUCK TO THIS READ!"

Right, and that leaves Kary a backdoor in case somebody calls him out for pushing dabuz [for whatever reason]. It's a justified complaint and the intentions behind Kary's actions can rightfully be considered suspicious. Just because Kary always plays like that doesn't suddenly mean it's not suspicious anymore, even if you want to go that route.

Not to mention that the push against dabuz is still pretty much random. Funny how *you* are suddenly whiteknighting Kary now though, isn't it?

if you think I haven't said anything of merit so far your vote should be on me.

Just going to point out that I have been in favour of people voting dabuz. See also: my response to Jerkus.

There are no votes in this game. The only way to get somebody lynched is to have the King to do that. Just because you can tally up people's opinions via votes doesn't mean they have any effect - they don't and therefore I don't acknowledge them. If I want somebody lynched it is the King I will try to convince.

All that you're doing with your 'votes' is blowing up dust.

 

[Omni]

Arrived at work. Reading. No Overswarm post incoming.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

BSP, you better start taking stances as well. By now a couple of names have been mentioned as good lynch candidates and it's your job to eventually get the job done. Take part in the discussions, voice your opinions and make it clear where you stand. Do you think one of Kary, dabuz, No Hetero or soup is scum? Who is? Do you think we can limit the lynch pool to a couple of people already or do you think that the reads offered so far aren't yet strong enough?

The game is picking up pace, you better be trying to keep up.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Right, and that leaves Kary a backdoor in case somebody calls him out for pushing dabuz [for whatever reason].

'Are you sure dabuz is scum Kary?'
'No, but I have a feeling he might be!

'Ah well, then why are you pushing him?'
'To try and find out whether he's scum'

'Ah, but you're leaving yourself a backdoor in saying you're not certain'
'OH WOW, TRYING TO READ PEOPLE, MY BAD'

'Backdoor' implies i'm trying to set up some sort of 'out' so that I can get out of the stance I've taken. Saying 'i'm not sure' doesn't look like I'm trying to set anything up. If you want to accuse me of something, try 'not taking hard stances', like BSP suggested.

There are no votes in this game. The only way to get somebody lynched is to have the King to do that. Just because you can tally up people's opinions via votes doesn't mean they have any effect - they don't and therefore I don't acknowledge them. If I want somebody lynched it is the King I will try to convince.

All that you're doing with your 'votes' is blowing up dust.

I have no problem with you not acknowledging votes.

But suggesting that they do nothing, and that they make no difference to the course of the Day, or the king's decision, looks like sheer idiocy to me.

You could just as well argue that your words don't have any effect, because it's the King's decision.

I'm explicitly trying to do something which is not the same as doing nothing.

 

[Death Bear]

not sure if Kary is having another terrible D1.
Or if he just can't read intent behind posts

 

[Omni]

ok finished re-reading. as i thought. didnt miss much.

One could squeeze at least six different types of retardedness out of this post.

LOL

Delve into me with the bolded and Dabuz.

What do you lean on being a stop point, read wise? Is he unreadable dumb that could still be scum?

dabuz is just the perfect death bait. i dont want him alive around end game. he's a liability and shows no signs of improving. stop point read wise? he hasn't given me anything to read. flimsy logic. shows no real desire to find scum. so he's just either dumb/scum.

OH MY GOD THAT'S SO LAME AND SCUMMY, RIGHT?!?

No stfu with that crap.

relax, bro

There are no votes in this game. The only way to get somebody lynched is to have the King to do that. Just because you can tally up people's opinions via votes doesn't mean they have any effect - they don't and therefore I don't acknowledge them. If I want somebody lynched it is the King I will try to convince.

All that you're doing with your 'votes' is blowing up dust.

stop being stupid. play standard. votes are good for a reason: they create a much more solid trail and force people to own up to their stances as opposed to throwing out a half undecided one and floating around until someone else shows support. there is absolutely no merit in ignoring the effects of Voting and the only faction that has anything to gain from the absence of the Voting system is scum

ur smarter than this. you're also stubborn. dont burn my candle, baby.

 

[No Hetero]

This is so the opposite of the truth it makes my head spin. Go read G3S #2 Mafia again. One of my main problems with you in that game was your complete refusal to cooperate. I was asking you who you thought was scum and why over and over and over again and you weren't answering me.

And yes, I know, you were town in that game. Like I already mentioned earlier in this very game, I do expect you to push for quicklynches. I do expect you to be light on details in regards to reads. But you are being remarkably dense on this. I have not been able to get a clear idea on exactly where you stand, nor why, on Dabuz, even though he's the one you've been talking about for most of the game so far. Here:

Yes, Jerkus, I was town there. And you were scum. You kept asking me to elaborate on my reads for the sake of making yourself look productive. I was similarly dense and didn't do **** to appease you until the game was on the line. Ask me why all you want, I [marshy] pointedly refuse to play into your request.

1. Right, and that leaves Kary a backdoor in case somebody calls him out for pushing dabuz [for whatever reason]. It's a justified complaint and the intentions behind Kary's actions can rightfully be considered suspicious. Just because Kary always plays like that doesn't suddenly mean it's not suspicious anymore, even if you want to go that route.

2. Not to mention that the push against dabuz is still pretty much random. 3. Funny how *you* are suddenly whiteknighting Kary now though, isn't it?

1. Fair enough.

2. Nah. I didn't just pull this out of a hat. **** outta hear.

3. Offering an alternative to a PORTION of an early-game case based on history equated to whiteknighting is extreme. You don't see me basing all of my suspicions around the attacker(s) of one player slot unlike a certain Jerk. I find this unimportant though.

 

[Omni]

dabuz or soup today. anyone else and i'll cry everytim

 

[Omni]

also, gheb. u should want dabuz dead. there's no reason why he should be kept alive. give me one reason why we shouldn't lynch dabuz today

 

[Death Bear]

kary i'm going to grill you on some things.
be aware i hate agreeing with marshy's meta logic but that doesnt change the fact that he's somewhat right in a sense, although i still find what you've done thus far to be lackluster and lacking the driving force that i have come to associate your town game with.

 

[No Hetero]

also, gheb. u should want dabuz dead. there's no reason why he should be kept alive. give me one reason why we shouldn't lynch dabuz today

 

[No Hetero]

i mean i like men

 

[Omni]

 

[Death Bear]

I don't know and I don't really care right now, he is not on my RVS list of people to needlessly antagonize.

kary, can you give me a chart for your care level ?
or give me like a percent on each layer indicative of your care level ?

no

why would you want such a thing?

Because it doesn't hurt you at all to give one out. Your "it's better for scum not to know" is BS. I want you to fully explain how it hurts you to drum up this list of yours. It's especially BS because we were at a RVS stage of the game, so not much of anything can be taken to seriously until we get out of it. I'm not saying your downright scum to the bone, but it treads the line between town / anti-town.

wow, yeah, you think you're town so I should totally give up pushing you

and as ever I don't really care how I look as long as we hit scum (see: any game)


but you're scum, elaborating on the case seems boring and unnecessary

This is another small thing that doesn't add up with me for you Kary, you say you don't care, and it certainly reads like your trying to pass it off that way, but the addition of: "but you're scum, elaborating on the case seems boring and unnecessary" reads more like: i care following up on something if it could be used in some way / shape or form against me. If you really didnt' care , you would have brought out whatever irked you, but instead you just cop yourself out by passing it off like you don't care. If it was an RVS based read, then why not say as much ? What mad elaboration on your case boring or unnecessary ?
Do you expect pe oeple to pick up what your putting down ?

why were you taking me seriously in the first place?

actually, wait, I'm bored of talking to you.



because he's my scumbuddy and I want to openly buddy with him so that people don't think we're scum together.

no, wait. what sort of answer are you expecting?

aaaand i'm done

call me when you need a townie

I was expecting you to just say : it was wifom or i'm playing something out. You say letting JD know it was a reaction test would effect his reaction, i can agree with that, what i'm more interested in and am still interested in and was interested in previously, was why you picked JD specifically , you seemed to take the question as: why ask that question, when i had feeling for what you were doing and was in fact more so interested in how JD popped into your mind, if it was a random thought or what have you. So what was it ?

@DB:

resisting the urge to say 'because he's scum'

"because he's not contributing and we may as well clear/condemn him now"

although why you need persuading to do something like this I don't know.

This makes it seem like your more interested in the information from a dabuz lynch then the lynch itself. Also, why not just say because he's scum ? I need persuading because i don't find your case legitimate nor compelling , I'm not going to sit here and white knight dabuz, but i'm certainly not going vote him based on what you've presented thus far.

No, i'm voting him because a significant proportion of his questions have been ***, not least the recent:

which I don't even understand the point of. How does this further a read on me?

The point of the waggon it to generate reads and to presure dabuz. Everyone going 'OMG BUT WAI' does not succeed in pressuring dabuz.

It was to help me understand if you've got anything beyond dabuz. And whether your using dabuz pressure wagon to look like your doing something , or to do what you claim to be trying to do. You say your pushing him on a little thing to see how he reacts, so, tell me what have his reactions given you so far and how are they tellig of his alignment ?

What I don't understand is this. I've basically explicitly stated that I'm pushing dabuz on a little thing to see how he reacts, because I have a scum-vibe from him.

How is my read supposed to have developed given that he's basically not posted? Every single page brings someone else saying 'what are you doing, Kary?' and the answer is always the same.

Am I ready to execute someone yet? No.

And I voted Death Bear because they're playing pointless questions again and I only have so much patience to give them. I can't tell whether they're scum faking content just yet, but I will get there. The vote is to make a point, that they deserve scrutiny.



You realize that votes mean nothing, right?

Two or three times I have looked at someone make a sort of summary post, and gone 'that's interesting, but what are you actually doing, being pro-active about, pursuing', and so I've been asking people to vote BarDulL/Dabuz to try and get more action out of people.

So are you interested in bardull too then ?

Why / why not ?

 

[BSP]

BSP, you better start taking stances as well. By now a couple of names have been mentioned as good lynch candidates and it's your job to eventually get the job done. Take part in the discussions, voice your opinions and make it clear where you stand. Do you think one of Kary, dabuz, No Hetero or soup is scum? Who is? Do you think we can limit the lynch pool to a couple of people already or do you think that the reads offered so far aren't yet strong enough?

The game is picking up pace, you better be trying to keep up.

Don't worry, I've got a plan for toDay. I'm not going to out it just yet, but I'm keeping up.

No Hetero, I want you to go back through the thread and pull up the most suspicious post you've seen so far. Tell me what you think has been the oddest thing in this game so far. I'm not going to pay attention to any of your ideas unless you put something behind them.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Marshy, tell me what you think about Omni's #467.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Because it doesn't hurt you at all to give one out. Your "it's better for scum not to know" is BS. I want you to fully explain how it hurts you to drum up this list of yours. It's especially BS because we were at a RVS stage of the game, so not much of anything can be taken to seriously until we get out of it. I'm not saying your downright scum to the bone, but it treads the line between town / anti-town

You admit that not much can be taken seriously at that stage, so why did you actually want to see a list? Feels like a terrible question.

Secondly, I said that I had a list of people to needlessly antagonize, not that I had a list of how much I care about each playerslot, or a list of who i'm looking at.

I care pretty much equally about every playerslot until I have some sort of read on them, because they're each as important. But I also don't try and read them all at the same time, hence not caring about Gheb at that point.

If you want to know which playerslots I'm looking at, well and good. Right now I'm looking at dabuz and BarDulL, though that should have been obvious. I might have a couple of other people further down my scumlist, but I can't yet say whether they're worth pursuing.

This is another small thing that doesn't add up with me for you Kary, you say you don't care, and it certainly reads like your trying to pass it off that way, but the addition of: "but you're scum, elaborating on the case seems boring and unnecessary" reads more like: i care following up on something if it could be used in some way / shape or form against me. If you really didnt' care , you would have brought out whatever irked you, but instead you just cop yourself out by passing it off like you don't care. If it was an RVS based read, then why not say as much ? What mad elaboration on your case boring or unnecessary ?
Do you expect pe oeple to pick up what your putting down ?

All I got from this was you wanted me to elaborate on the BarDulL dislike?

And I don't care what people think of me as long as we hit scum. Of course, occasionally this means I have to dissaude people from lynching me, because obviously, i'm not scum.

I was expecting you to just say : it was wifom or i'm playing something out. You say letting JD know it was a reaction test would effect his reaction, i can agree with that, what i'm more interested in and am still interested in and was interested in previously, was why you picked JD specifically , you seemed to take the question as: why ask that question, when i had feeling for what you were doing and was in fact more so interested in how JD popped into your mind, if it was a random thought or what have you. So what was it ?

because, obviously, you haven't posted and yet you have potential to buddy.

he has potential to buddy because last game we were both in we were indybuddies, and I was chatting about wanting him /in this game in the signup thread.

And it's important that it's someone who hasn't posted, because otherwise it doesn't bait reactions from other people at all (e.g. see BarDulL's reaction)

This makes it seem like your more interested in the information from a dabuz lynch then the lynch itself. Also, why not just say because he's scum ? I need persuading because i don't find your case legitimate nor compelling , I'm not going to sit here and white knight dabuz, but i'm certainly not going vote him based on what you've presented thus far.

Nope. I don't mean clear/condemn him simply by lynching him. I mean pressure him and figure out whether he's dumb/scum now, rather than later when the game's on the line.

It was to help me understand if you've got anything beyond dabuz. And whether your using dabuz pressure wagon to look like your doing something , or to do what you claim to be trying to do. You say your pushing him on a little thing to see how he reacts, so, tell me what have his reactions given you so far and how are they tellig of his alignment ?

Seems a bit pre-emptive to expect me to have lined up inquiries on dabuz's flip, given that I'm actively trying to read dabuz and have no interest in lynching him just now. But anyways.

Right now I'm looking broadly to see whether he's trying to paint me as scum/discredit me, or otherwise throw out a scumflail. Points such as his 'you're twisting my words' are interesting in this respect.

I'm also interested in why he didn't want to answer my questions (about me/BarDulL) in the first place, given that his answers weren't anything spectacular. It just seems very defensive/ disliking of pressure, and so I want to understand the mindset behind that.

So are you interested in bardull too then ?

Why / why not ?

I'm interested in BarDulL.
Have you noticed that he kept mentioning that he's town?

 

[BSP]

you're trying too hard

but GG

Vote: BarDulL

When you made this statement, what exactly had Bardull done to make you think he was trying too hard?

 

[Death Bear]

havent read karys post.

talking to ryu at some point later