Mass Effect (King Maker) - Glorious Way to End the Day. Mafia Wins!

[Death Bear]

just read kary's post.

should've explained dabuz that way in the first place.

I'm alright with with Unvote.

Kary, for fututre reference i'd prefer not having to slap a vote on you to get a concise answer

 

[#HBC | Kary]

When you made this statement, what exactly had Bardull done to make you think he was trying too hard?

I can't say, exactly, as it was an overall feeling I got from his posts.

But I would say that I felt he was arguing with Gheb and Soup for the sake of it, and that he was trying to present himself as town (which I admit he may do as town).

you could say I felt his RVS was forced/not very natural

just read kary's post.

should've explained dabuz that way in the first place.

I'm alright with with Unvote.

Kary, for fututre reference i'd prefer not having to slap a vote on you to get a concise answer

you voted for me?
huh.

And i'm assuming you meant the 'clear/condemn' part? Well sorry, I'll try and make that clearer next time.

 

[Death Bear]

kary confirmed for sarcasm

 

[Omni]

Marshy, tell me what you think about Omni's #467.

clearly, he'll agree with me because we both share the common goal of removing lynching dabuz

my 467 and 470 were directed to you for you to respond to. marshy has done plenty of talking. i want you to speak up and reaffirm my spontaneous obv town read i gathered

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I have nothing to prove to you.

 

[Death Bear]

gheb how would you feel if i called you scum.

 

[Omni]

you sure as hell do. idc what kind of power trip you're running on, gheb but cut the ****

 

[BSP]

Kary, you just told me that bardull's argument with Soup is part of the reason you felt that his RVS felt forced

When I asked you about bardull v soup, you told me that it was stupid and probably didn't contain anything significant

Yet it's part of your reason for saying Bardull was trying too hard. Why wasn't it significant enough to bring up back then?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

gheb how would you feel if i called you scum.

I wouldn't *feel* anything. You'd be wrong though.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Kary, you just told me that bardull's argument with Soup is part of the reason you felt that his RVS felt forced

When I asked you about bardull v soup, you told me that it was stupid and probably didn't contain anything significant

Yet it's part of your reason for saying Bardull was trying too hard. Why wasn't it significant enough to bring up back then?

I told you it was boring and wasn't going to produce any significant tells; or in other words, that it wasn't a discussion that was going anywhere, or that would be conclusive in it's own right.

On it's own, BarDulL having a dumb argument with Soup is probably not telling. Him having two dumb arguments is more noticeable. And so on. It's part of a larger feel I got from his play.

And as I already mentioned (#247), I wanted to push for a response from BarDulL before I elaborated on what it was that I disliked about his play.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

really kinda bored of explaining my play by now

gonna try and avoid this thread for a little bit because I've been checking it waaay too often.

i miss Hando

 

[Death Bear]

you could always vote gheb kary

 

[Omni]

scumbag gheb. asks questions. refuses to answer questions.

Vote: Dabuz

let me know when it's D2.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Omni, I want Marshy's response first.

 

[BSP]

You admit that not much can be taken seriously at that stage, so why did you actually want to see a list? Feels like a terrible question.

Secondly, I said that I had a list of people to needlessly antagonize, not that I had a list of how much I care about each playerslot, or a list of who i'm looking at.

I care pretty much equally about every playerslot until I have some sort of read on them, because they're each as important. But I also don't try and read them all at the same time, hence not caring about Gheb at that point.

But still, the list was of people you wanted to "needlessly antagonize". Why didn't you give it out if you were aware it was RVS and didn't matter? What harm could come from it? I don't see a reason why saying who you were going to needlessly antagonize would be a bad thing for you, unless you just didn't want to be bound to some names or something.

Seems a bit pre-emptive to expect me to have lined up inquiries on dabuz's flip, given that I'm actively trying to read dabuz and have no interest in lynching him just now. But anyways.

You've already told Dabuz that you think he's scum, but you think it's pre-emptive to have thought towards where you'll go on the flip? How far have you thought this scum read out?

 

[BSP]

Also can we get some substantiation from everyone who's citing Dabuz as their pick (so far iirc that's Kary, No Hetero, Omni, and Soup)

I re-skimmed his posts to see where these votes were coming from and all I could find for reasoning is the opinion that BSP should handle being King the way he wants to, which I agree with. We'll figure out if we feel BSP was being a good or bad, townie or scummy king after we analyze what he does of his own accord, not by telling him what to do and watching.

This was right before I did the stupid gambit.

If you're looking at Dabuz right now, answer this.

Do you still think Dabuz is the best pick for toDay over anyone else?

 

[BarDulL]

Dabuz, give us a solid read list please.

 

[BarDulL]

I'm going to be pretty V/LA all week fyi, I just got two new classes added to my roster, totaling 5 classes in all. That's a lot of studying.

 

[Death Bear]

BSP, what's your read on dabuz ?

 

[Handorin]

Death Bear- not much to explain. I just agreed with your posts. I'm not in a position to go through and quote.

Kary- sorry. I'm on vacation.

I haven't been able to read the past 2-3 pages very well. if I remember correctly it was basically an argument with Kary, marshy, jerkus, maybe someone else. The general vibe I got was one is scum. I can't point it out though. I want a better read.

 

[BSP]

Null rake. His play certainly hasn't been towny, and he's not a bad lynch toDay, but I don't think he's the best lynch for toDay.

 

[Death Bear]

who is the best then ?

 

[Omni]

Null rake. His play certainly hasn't been towny, and he's not a bad lynch toDay, but I don't think he's the best lynch for toDay.

yes, please answer this for me.

 

[Omni]

EBWOP: based on what Death Bear asked

 

[BSP]

This was right before I did the stupid gambit.

If you're looking at Dabuz right now, answer this.

Do you still think Dabuz is the best pick for toDay over anyone else?

Not until the people who this concerns answer this question.

 

[Omni]

be specific. which people are you referring to? pay attention to who has answered and who has. don't blanket statement a question just for the sake of asking.

 

[Death Bear]

he did specify.
have you been reading ?

 

[Omni]

i did. o_o. i thought, "If you're looking at Dabuz right now, answer this." was referring to anyone looking at Dabuz. not just jdietz

if not then kary on

 

[BSP]

be specific. which people are you referring to? pay attention to who has answered and who has. don't blanket statement a question just for the sake of asking.

You, Kary, Soup, and No Hetero

Although if I just look, I can answer this myself as far as substantiating goes.

I've looked through No Hetero's posts and he hasn't (and probably won't) substantiate his choice.

Kary keeps going back and forth on it from what I've seen. (between he's scum and it's just RVS or I'm working on it)

This is you Omni as far as I know:

Oh, we haven't played Mafia together before. Hi, I'm Omni. I'm more than willing to lynch a player if I think they're treading the dumb/scum line D1 (sometimes D2) because if you're town scum will just keep you alive and kill off someone more helpful. If you're scum, then we lynch scum. It's a win-win.

Regardless, I have a feeling that I'm not going to get much out of you. You don't seem to be putting a lot of thought behind your words. Even when introduced to logical reasoning, you still do not understand the concept of reliablity and what we lose if the King is not held accountable.

And Soup said

Don't like any of his posts, really. This might be a personal dislike (not personal personal) but what I feel is scummy is that I don't feel he has direction and he's just posting to post. You might say it's the same as bardull but only that bardull has made definitive stances even if the reasoning behind them is poor. Dabuz has not even done that and would rather play around with the king from what I've observed.

And I'm not seeing any change of this.

My question is if this still stands for all of you. Do you want Dabuz gone toDay over everyone else? He's the scummiest player we have so far?

 

[Omni]

yes i want him dead over everyone else so far
but not before Mastermind talks about w/e he feels like talking aout
scummiest player at the moment would probably be soup

 

[BSP]

Soup, again. This is when you were mentioning why you were fine with Dabuz's lynch

Don't like any of his posts, really. This might be a personal dislike (not personal personal) but what I feel is scummy is that I don't feel he has direction and he's just posting to post. You might say it's the same as bardull but only that bardull has made definitive stances even if the reasoning behind them is poor. Dabuz has not even done that and would rather play around with the king from what I've observed.

[COLLAPSE=Bardull's posts from game start to Soup's post]

Cool beans.

Dabuz, you call that an RVS vote? I'll show YOU an RVS vote.

Vote: Dabuz

He says earlier that he wants someone easy to read, i.e. you, on the grounds of skill (presumably, you're much more likely to give yourself away in terms of alignment). He doesn't want someone who is skilled running about with the crown. I say I want to be King, he asks why, I say I'll secure victory for Town, he says there are players here who have done that and whom can do it better, but this is a bad counterargument because him asserting that I shouldn't be king on the grounds that there are more skilled played is contradictory of the fact that he did not want highly skilled players playing with king in the first place.

Edited this post so it makes more sense.

Uh, yeah, you made a counter argument against me, and it was a terrible counter argument. Saying I shouldn't be King because there are more highly skilled players in the mix is dumb considering you didn't want highly skilled players running with the crown in the first place.

I don't like how you're saying I "came in so abrasively demanding a gun" when this statement itself isn't an implication of anything. It's the same thing with what you said earlier about how I was...eh, I'll look it up in a second.

What DON'T you like about my slot? Do you think I'm scum?

You never explained why you "have every reason to doubt me." I asked you why you feel I shouldn't be King, and you responded to me with "why do you feel you should be King?" I personally think you're just riding coattails without explaining in-depth as to why you feel I shouldn't be King, because if you did have solid reasoning, it wouldn't take you very long to just come up with the words and say it. Frankly, I don't think you actually have good reasons that supersede my own, because if you did, you would have said why.

Why do you not "like my slot?" Do you think I'm scum for what I've done so far? "Boasting" and "abrasively demanding for a gun" not only aren't indicative of alignment, but they also aren't true; I was never "boasting" per se, since to boast is to make proclamations for the sake of making myself look good. In a way, I WAS doing that, but I wasn't trying to make myself look good for the sake of looking good, I was saying it so that people stop having gripes about me being King when I actually do have experience playing in a power position and I know exactly how to utilize it. That being said, I have absolutely NO CLUE why you "don't like my slot."

@Kary, you should accompany me on my journey to hardbody peeps. I gotta ask ya why you want JD on your team when he hasn't posted yet though. Are you just going to team up with people without reading into them a bit? What's your criterion for teaming up with another player?

Kay, will do. I suggest amending this to the rules for future reference in case someone like myself decides to edit within a quote (Rajam is commonly known to do this, for instance).

Or, he doesn't edit it PER SE, he technically adds on to posts with different colored versions, but since you haven't defined what's ok and what isn't ok to add/change to a quote, I assume that the previously mentioned example isn't ok.

I think you're being counterproductive by trying to turn off avenues of conversation. You also haven't put out an RVS vote or anything of that sort. As far as I know, all you've done is told the King not to worry about what other people do, but you haven't done anything else.

We're in the RVS stage of the game, so a player who is as experienced with Mafia as Gheb is should be trying to progress discussion forward and get the ball rolling, however all he's done so far is offer basic advice to BSP and say "Bardull/soup, quit being counterproductive" when, really, we're not being counterproductive whatsoever. I don't want people thinking I'm a bad king, so I'm going to fight to holy hell on it if I have to, because to not do so would be anti-town for my faction. Any blanket statements regarding my slot need to be cast aside because they aren't warranted for the time being, and I'm saying this primarily because not only is that a true statement, but it also sets me up for being able to better help Town when my slot isn't blanketed by baseless disregard for my capacity for the game. I can be very helpful when I've got the power to go with it.

That being said, Gheb hasn't done anything stellar enough to warrant being in any kind of position of power, so it bothers me that, if he IS trying to play armchair critic, that he's doing a poor job of pushing Town in the right direction and yes, it's bothersome at this point in time.

How is it ********? You're being vague while trying to undermine my slot, but there's nothing inherently flawed with the logic I'm using. You've done jack**** and you have nothing to show for it. I don't care how many games you've played, you don't get a free pass to be armchair critic and live to day 4 without actually contributing to discussion.

Literally everyone makes assumptions, even you make assumptions when interacting with another slot. Soup said I was "boasting," but I wasn't actually boasting, he merely assumed as much. Either way, I don't see anything fundamentally flawed with my "assumptions" as they are accurate depictions of what I'm seeing from your slot. You're being ******** for not being able to cope with my point of view and work with me.

You also haven't done anything still except try to undermine my slot. How's that going for you? Are you going to vote now or what?

Vote: Gheb

I was fine working with him, and then he was all "VOTE BARDULL VOTE BARDULL" and I was like "dafuq?" because it came out of left field and remains pretty unsubstantiated.

I saw it more as option A tbqh.

Lol alright I'll run with this, what seems to be indicating to you that I'm "trying too hard?"

Not necessarily for the time being, but with this roster of players, I wouldn't expect anyone to jump along with it in hindsight I guess.

What in the name of Gorf?

Knowing that your vote is unsubstantiated (and knowing that you coming to the conclusion that I'm scum right off the bat is flawed because, well, come on, I'm TownBarDulL), it just feels more like a reaction test than anything else. Like, you just went balls out "KEEL BARDULL" without explaining why and in the beginning of the game where it doesn't really make sense to have such a strong scum read at this point.

I never said your reaction test needs substantiation to be legit because a reaction test isn't actually "legit" per se since it's a subgambit. It would definitely be more effective if you supplied accurate reasoning to go with it, but you didn't, so it wasn't a great reaction test. No offense.

I literally have no idea what you're talking about, you've lost me.

I said that your voting for my slot remains to be substantiated because that's how it is lol (anyone can see that, I don't have to point it out) and it explains why I didn't really care about your votes (hence why I never responded to them directly). BTW, I said I "saw it more as option A" but that doesn't mean I flat out assumed it was option A lol, it was still possible you were just being flat out paranoid or trying to look Townie or something.

Of course I want to be considered solid town so that I can push slots later on effectively, who DOESN'T want to be solid Town? If you have specific problems with what I'm doing though, like if you feel like I'm scummy for trying to open up avenues of discussion, please feel free to elaborate. However, I feel like I'm being pretty pro-town thus far, so your qualms with my slot aren't really helping anyone.

Like, yeah of course I want solid positioning, but if you manage to catch me slipping up with my questions or with my conversation or whatever, then feel free to bite me for it, but until then, "trying too hard" isn't telling as long as I'm effectively opening avenues for discussion.

And this is where I stop taking you seriously.

Didn't I ask that?

You thieving bear, you.

Copppp outtttttt.

Look mang, you're trying too hard with my slot. I'm the bee's knees. The momma's pajamas. The kangaroo pup. You're trying to dance in the wrong pants. I took you seriously because I wanted you to be my homeboy, but you turned on me and was all like "yo **** you dawg i don't want to be like dat" and so now I'm like "aw man, messed up bizness right der," and you're trying to push it after I've told you that you're seeing some **** that I'm just not seeing, foo.

Anyway, you picking up JD as a homeboy early on without ANYTHING to run with is interesting because the dude hasn't even posted yet. Like, even I'm pretty reserved about selecting my mates before I go balls deep, knowhati'msayin'? I want to know what's going on in that brain of theirs even if they're mega physically attractive.

(Like, this one girl I met was pretty hot, but she could hear voices/believed in ghosts/was extremely religious [which doesn't work for me]/was acting pretty shady while she was in a relationship.)

BRB laterz.

I saw some town meta/general towniness in Kary's first big post and I was like "hmmm TownKary?" and wanted to see how he responded to my offer of being hardbody partners. 'Course then he went ape **** on me =(. I defo wouldn't have given him an immediate pass for the rest of the day so long as he wasn't putting in the "hard" in "hardbodying" though, but I felt ok with his slot for the time being until his read on me where I was presumably "trying too hard by opening avenues of conversation." I don't necessarily think he's scum for it though and I actually think my interaction with him had some merit, but he needs to look in a different direction and start towering people who aren't being protown.

I don't mean to interject in this conversation cause hell, I've been talking a lot, but here's a hypothetical for you:

BSP executes someone right now.

What do you feel are the problems with him doing this?

Admittedly I kinda skimmed all these posts, I'll give a complete read later. For now:

Soup, reaadddd myyyy sloooooottttt.

Omnimang, we'll talk about my posed hypothetical later and why it's important, but it isn't an immediately required response from Dabuz.

Vote: Handorin

V/LA today btw.

No.

BSP doesn't know how to handle a gun as either alignment. A democracy in this scenario is the best route to go with. Quit being silly.

Haven't you figured out where you stand with me yet?

BSP is a prince. Not a king. A prince. Keep that in mind.

[/COLLAPSE]

Where are you getting stances from? All I grasped from that is that he wasn't fine with Gheb's play so far.

 

[BarDulL]

Here for a minute. Can Omni explain to me where I'm "spamming"? Would also like Gheb to explain that tidbit as well, and Mastermind. I also don't really get Jerkus when he says I'm "acting like a mental patient" because, really, that hasn't been the case. Where are these oddball left field perceptions of my slot coming from?

Heck, I don't really know where the hate for my slot is coming from, that is, if there IS any hate. Does anyone actually have something solid to say about my slot in terms of scumminess/towniness?

For the record, I would be ok with No Hetero being vigged at this point. He's tunneling Dabuz's slot, but he's not substantiating anything. When asked to draw the line between scum/dumb Dabuz, he's like "no lets hardbody Dabuz and ignore what people are asking of my slot." I don't really feel like letting No Hetero run around with a knife and shanking people without explaining himself and then watch him walk away from a corpse. He'll just end up being a fat null as the game continues to progress, and that's no bueno.

I still prefer Soup over Dabuz; I'd actually like people to explain (including Omni) why they're going for Dabuz and not Soup at this point.

 

[BarDulL]

I'll do a full read later when I can. Got no time for it now, but the previous post should be a nice quick summing up of what's on my mind right now. I'll probably end up giving a quick list of thoughts on each player later on when I can.

 

[No Hetero]

quickhit beire work

guys stop ****ing cockblocking the dabuz lynch just let him die

anyways people are asking me **** and i MIGHT hit them later. the nabe half cares way more about public affairs than i do

quick question for soup: if you had to guess a 3 man scumteam who would it be?

 

[Dabuz]

And now we have No Hetero basically white-knighting Kary through attacking Jerkus and anyone else vocally against my wagon.

Red Ruy whiteknighting someone who doesn't need to be whiteknighted at all and instead hardbody crew'd?

Boy. What a surprise. It's not like you did this bull**** in Celebrity Rehab or Skies. Do you ever learn?

I'd also like to ask that the Death Bear hydra post less. It's Day 1 and you have 4 times as many posts as me. Good gorf.

Just reread Jerkus' reasoning for voting Kary to see what Gheb was talking about him being "okay" with the way he handled it.

Jerkus basically uses a bunch of lame buzzwords like "back door" and "lazy lynch" and gets people ****riding him. Sad.

Jerkus, I hate you.

Hetero, wtf are you doing? At first I thought you were posting on my case just to get attention and into the game and didn't actually care about my wagon; now I think you're just trying to get votes on me for the sake of pushing an execute and white-knighting Kary. But where is your logic? Justification? Ect.?

Are you just being bone-headed and arguing for the sake of it?

Your play just REEKS of dumb or scum.

Or trying to read your intent. I personally see no reason to make it known that you actually have no opinion on the way that the Day is run, but maybe you and I are very different players.

Yes @ red.

Obviously what I posted isn't what you posted, but I'm pointing out what I think is a notable similarity.

Wrong, you're twisting words to create a completely incorrect interpretation and intention. Let me restate what I told to Omni when he questioned my opinion on how the day is run. It's early game, I want the king to feel comfortable doing W/E he wants since it helps for reads.

You were asking me why you're scum, which I was answering literally, then figuratively.

You seeming defensive? It's not a problem, but I find it interesting, so yeah I'm gonna bring it up. Maybe you just don't like pressure.

Interesting but with no followup. So it's really just something to post for the sake of saying something.

Or, 'there's a good chance that dabuz is scum, but I can't be sure for obvious reasons, i.e. not knowing his alignment, early days'

Right now I think you're scum, until you prove me wrong.

You think I'm scum but can't be sure for obvious reasons. Now you think I'm scum until I prove you wrong, which basically means you're "sure" I'm scum. WTF is it? Either I'm def. scum to you or you're not sure, not both.

You say this as though it's a bad thing. I think you might reasonably be scum. I'm pressuring to try and further that read.

Wait, now I might reasonably be scum?

So what was the hold-up?

If by hold-up, you mean me responding to your questions? I was playing LOL all day yesterday until I made the post you responded to. (Double IP weekend )


I have a few questions for you, and don't expect any response out of me if you don't answer them all.


What is your read on Jdietz? Why?

What is your opinion on Omni's play so far? In particular, are you fine with him being ready for me to be executed for being dumb or a liability in his eyes?


@Omni: When are you gonna stop trying to play this game based around telling people to vote me then commenting on the meta of mafia or it's players in this game?



@Bardull:

I think No Hetero is scum or dumb. He hopped onto my case with no reasoning, is purposely being anti-town and arguing for the sake of arguing and not having to find justification to jump on my case.

Kary is null-leaning town IMO. He/ she is almost certainly pressuring me for the sake of pressuring me and generating discussion. As a result the logic is a bit lacking. It's like what the slot was doing to you, Bardull.

Sorry I don't have more solid reads, but most of my time atm is dealing with Kary's pressure.




Can someone explain the dislike on Soup for me please?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Marshy, I asked you something.

Here for a minute. Can Omni explain to me where I'm "spamming"? Would also like Gheb to explain that tidbit as well, and Mastermind.

???

 

[Omni]

Soup, again. This is when you were mentioning why you were fine with Dabuz's lynch

[COLLAPSE=Bardull's posts from game start to Soup's post]


























































[/COLLAPSE]

Where are you getting stances from? All I grasped from that is that he wasn't fine with Gheb's play so far.

is this directed to me? where am i getting my stances? i've stated my stances on both Dabuz and Soup. and i've stated why. go back and reread and let me know if u still dont understand

Here for a minute. Can Omni explain to me where I'm "spamming"? Would also like Gheb to explain that tidbit as well, and Mastermind. I also don't really get Jerkus when he says I'm "acting like a mental patient" because, really, that hasn't been the case. Where are these oddball left field perceptions of my slot coming from?

Heck, I don't really know where the hate for my slot is coming from, that is, if there IS any hate. Does anyone actually have something solid to say about my slot in terms of scumminess/towniness?

For the record, I would be ok with No Hetero being vigged at this point. He's tunneling Dabuz's slot, but he's not substantiating anything. When asked to draw the line between scum/dumb Dabuz, he's like "no lets hardbody Dabuz and ignore what people are asking of my slot." I don't really feel like letting No Hetero run around with a knife and shanking people without explaining himself and then watch him walk away from a corpse. He'll just end up being a fat null as the game continues to progress, and that's no bueno.

I still prefer Soup over Dabuz; I'd actually like people to explain (including Omni) why they're going for Dabuz and not Soup at this point.

spamming aka going back and forth with only one or two people. was really annoying to read through the earlier portion of the Day. and people like Gheb and I either asked u to calm down or advised people to ignore you because you were becoming too much.

im going for dabuz cuz dabuz opening was garbage. i dont think he'll be useful going forward. soup is on 2nd to-go list which could change. we'll see.

@Omni: When are you gonna stop trying to play this game based around telling people to vote me then commenting on the meta of mafia or it's players in this game?

when u die. duh.

no, but seriously, i've made other stances and points. i'm fine with my play. im confident in my choices. even in this particular posts nothing strikes me as "hm... maybe he should live after all". if u think im lacking, please feel free to call me out, bro. gheb already has.

it's like pokemon cards. you win if u have a good hand at the end of the game. right now, you're sitting at pidgey level who hasnt even learned gust. scum knows that so you'll be kept alive while they most likely kill off obv town like me, charizard 1st edition holographic or bardull, holographic venasuar who comes in every starter pack.

but it's only day 3/7. you have plenty of time to redeem yourself. but if you think your wagon is unwarranted then blow me up for being on it. otherwise, step your **** up. i don't find you as scummy as i do soup, but i do find you very disposable

 

[BSP]

is this directed to me? where am i getting my stances? i've stated my stances on both Dabuz and Soup. and i've stated why. go back and reread and let me know if u still dont understand

Not directed at you

 

[BarDulL]

Marshy, I asked you something.



???

T'was referring to the "can you stop posting unless someone asks you something" statement amigo, but it was more of a rhetorical question than it was something for us to seriously converse about since it won't lead us anywhere.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

A lot to catch up on. Oh boy.