Shieldkrusher
Smash Cadet
Do you believe that Marth and Roy should be in Brawl or no? I think they should be. Some people think they suck but I think that they just suck at playing them LOL
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Marth/Roy, Should They Make The Cut?
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Kirby Superstar
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Being as this topic as been posted a lot....
1. use search
2. Well its one or the other. most likely marth, but he needs a more manly belt. But only one is coming back, if any at all. and since roy is a clone..... well, yeah.
1. use search
2. Well its one or the other. most likely marth, but he needs a more manly belt. But only one is coming back, if any at all. and since roy is a clone..... well, yeah.
xianfeng
Smash Hero
Marth will of course return he is Mr Fire Emblem, the first lord, lord of two games and pretty **** popular. Not to mention he is the original one.
Roy however is unpopular (as is his game) and sure he could be made better but there are way too many more deserving characters such as Ike, Sigurd and Micaiah just to name a few.
Roy however is unpopular (as is his game) and sure he could be made better but there are way too many more deserving characters such as Ike, Sigurd and Micaiah just to name a few.
Lord_Deathborne
Smash Champion
There ya go again xianfeng... passing off your half-***** assumptions as established fact... From what I've been able to gather, Roy actually seems to be fairly popular in Japan... For example, I did a Google image search in using the term ファイアーエムブレム (Fire Emblem's Japanese title) and Roy, along with several other FE6 characters, turn up quite prevalently. Try it for yourself if you don't believe me, though I must warn you that there is also quite a bit of poorly drawn pr0n...
BTW How the hell is Micaiah more deserving? She has hardly even had the chance to prove her worth (or lack of thereof) yet... (though I will agree with you on Sigurd and Ike...)
Destruction_King
Smash Ace
In short:
Marth, yes.
Roy, Not necessarily.
Marth, yes.
Roy, Not necessarily.
xianfeng
Smash Hero
I get my FE info from people like VincentASM and Eaichu so it's usually pretty accurate.
SSJ4Kazuki
Smash Champion
WTF how dare you question Marth's return, in PUBLIC.
Do that privately if at all, and this thread's been done anyway.
Do that privately if at all, and this thread's been done anyway.
Roy's first game was Super Smash BRos. Melee. with that in mind he at the very least should come back. that would also entitle Marth to return, since he's like, the original FE character. it's like Luigi without Mario.
but, in reality, Roy appeared in SSBM before FE6, since guess which one came first.
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but, in reality, Roy appeared in SSBM before FE6, since guess which one came first.
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Eight Sage
Smash Lord
I invite you to put your thoughts in the "Sticky: Official "Who is going to return?" topic.
Lets make Smash Boards a clean place! post in the proper Thread.
Just in case...
Go here if dont feel searching --> http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=78528
Wiseguy
Smash Champion
Once upon a time, no one had heard of Fire Emblme anywhere but Japan. Now, thanks to the inclusion of Marth and Roy in Melee, the series is popular around the world. Hopefully Sakurai will realize that the series should be represented by characters who are popular on both sides of the Atlantic and not just Japan.
Ike should obviously replace Marth in Brawl. He was the main character in the latest (and arguably greatest) game so far in the series: Path of Radiance. Also, Sakurai's poll indicates he is not only the most popular Fire Emblem character, but one of the most popular characters period.
The two characters look very similar and would probably have nearly identical fighting styles. The one difference? Ike doesn't look like a girl.
Ike should obviously replace Marth in Brawl. He was the main character in the latest (and arguably greatest) game so far in the series: Path of Radiance. Also, Sakurai's poll indicates he is not only the most popular Fire Emblem character, but one of the most popular characters period.
The two characters look very similar and would probably have nearly identical fighting styles. The one difference? Ike doesn't look like a girl.
A-Laon
Smash Master
Case and point. The precise reasons I support Ike replacing Marth. Besides, It's like a step in evolution going from one character to the next just as we're going from one game to the next.
As for Roy, I don't have sufficient knowledge of FE to make an argument regarding his popularity, but if he could be replaced by a similarly-played character (one focused on ground combat as opposed to the other FE character's aerial supremecy) then I'd have no complaints.
Still, I could live with just one or the other, and if such were to be the case, my pick would be Ike.
Destruction_King
Smash Ace
Bah and crappery. The fact is that Marth represents Fire Emblem as a whole. You forget that thanks to SSBM, Marth IS popular on both sides of the atlantic. And as for Sakura's poll, guess who wasn't on it because he was already in Melee?
Marth was so popular, that he made the top of the most wanted list in Japan during the melee era and they were forced to include him in Brawl regardless of his lack of exposure to the west. Then, when we finally did take notice of him, he became so popular, that Japan brought Fire Emblem to North America. Even more impressive was the fact that the series sold so well over here.
And who do we have to thank? The top tier, long ranged, tiara wearing, blue haired original lord of the Fire Emblem series. Marth.
He's staying. Or he'd better be.
AtomICON
Smash Apprentice
i think marth and roy should be replaced by Ike and Hector.
Kirye
Smash Ace
No, they shouldn't.
Fire Emblem could have more than 2 characters to represent the franchise, so why should they remove Marth, the real mascot of the Fire Emblem series?
Sure, Ike and Marth look very similar, but they could just as easily have separate movesets and swordstyles.
freeman123
Smash Lord
Marth and/or Roy will definately return, even if it's in the form of a new Fire Emblem character with their moves.
That's because he's in SSBM, idiot. If alot of people are saying "I hope they get someone better then Roy from Fire Emblem to be in Brawl" his name would come up alot. That doesn't make him popular.
snipertango
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You people need to read what people post. 1) Roy's first appearance was is FE 6 hes not popular in the U.S. because all the FE besides POR never came to the states. And freeman he did a a search for FE 6 not Roy in Melee. ****ING READ!!!!!. They both should return and they arent exactly clones as much as you might think they have many different traits. If ike is in it that would be gay 1)IKE IS ONLY POPULAR IN THE US. ROY+MARTH>IKE and **** those other bull**** characters you guys are mentioning ****ing tards. It should only be main characters. Make Roy a little faster and hes better then Marth.
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i8waffles612
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They better return... they are 2/5 favorite characters
snipertango
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Most likely they will just because Ike is in the only US game of FE doesnt mean he should be in it . Marth should cause hes the original, but if you trace bloodlines Roy has ancestors. ITs like saying FF games should have characters based on appearances in game fools FF has new characters new plots and everything. MInus X-2 which sucked. ROY AND MARTH FTW!!!
Numa Dude
Smash Lord
Roy will probably get removed in favor of someone like Ike. Marth is going to stay.
snipertango
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Ike is gay as ****. THEY WILL NO MATTER WHAT BE CLONES!!!!! IF ANYTHING JUST LEAVE MARTH.
Numa Dude
Smash Lord
Who will no matter what be clones?
snipertango
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IKE AND MARTH AND ROY!!!! they all have the same move set just minor differences they all use swords so you can be like oh im gonna give Ike Roy and Marth 3 totally different move sets its not going to happen they are all going to play similar to the other just like Falconf and Ganondorf(Add The Sword) still minor differences. Falco Fox, Mario Bros. Link Young Link, Pikachu Pichu all minor differences nintendo isnt going to waste time to make competely different move sets for every character. So even if they put Ike in he will play similar to marth and roy
Numa Dude
Smash Lord
Ike has a completely different sword style then those two. Your really stupid.
I think they should keep Marth and Roy, but also maybe add another character from fire emblem. I think they will add a lot of new charcters. Like in melee instead of just fox they added falco. I think brawl will be a big variety of charcters.
killbeast301
Smash Lord
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Wiseguy
Smash Champion
You make some good points, but I remain unconvinced.Bah and crappery. The fact is that Marth represents Fire Emblem as a whole. You forget that thanks to SSBM, Marth IS popular on both sides of the atlantic. And as for Sakura's poll, guess who wasn't on it because he was already in Melee?
Marth was so popular, that he made the top of the most wanted list in Japan during the melee era and they were forced to include him in Brawl regardless of his lack of exposure to the west. Then, when we finally did take notice of him, he became so popular, that Japan brought Fire Emblem to North America. Even more impressive was the fact that the series sold so well over here.
And who do we have to thank? The top tier, long ranged, tiara wearing, blue haired original lord of the Fire Emblem series. Marth.
He's staying. Or he'd better be.
The similarities between Ike and Marth are so great that only one of them will likely make it into Brawl. So far, Sahura's philosophy apears to be one of "out with the old and in with the new" (For example: the Twilight Princess Version of Link and the Star Fox Command version of Fox repacing their former incarnations) so that could definitely work in Ike's favor.
Anyway, given the fact that Ike will likely have a similar move-set and appearance most of the Marth fans should be able to adjust easily.
xianfeng
Smash Hero
Marth has a fencing style, Ike has a rough course fighting style and a ranged sword NOTHING alike. Ike is muscular and tank (in FE10) and Marth is slim and slender they look NOTHING alike.
Yeah who cares that Marth is the most important Fire Emblem character EVER.
Most people say the greatest is either FE4 or FE7, FE9 is usually second, very few people have it as number one.
Sigurd is a more popular Fire Emblem character than him and there are several characters more popular than him.
No it was in SSBM which came out a few months BEFORE FE6.
Idiot PoR was the 3rd FE game released outside of Japan.
WRONG! He's equally popular in Japan moron.
Roy's only ancestors that can be traced are Eliwood his dad, Elbert his Grandfather, Eleanora his Grandmother and Roland his great great great great (etc.) Grandfather. NOT MARTH.
PLAY PATH OF RADIANCE BEFORE YOU COMMENT
NO THEY DON'T YOU MORON
Looks? Since FE10 was released the look nothing alike
Moves? One has a rapier speed-esque sword the other has a strong rough sword with a ranged attack and axes.
Sorry to barge into a conversation like that, but I'd just like to point out a few things about Ike.
He looks quite different in FE10 and this is most likely what he'd look like in Brawl too.
http://www.rupa-rupa.com/fe/souen/gazou2/pc-aiku-01.jpg
You might not be able to see it very well in this picture, but he's pretty huge now.
http://www.rupa-rupa.com/fe/souen/gazou2/pc-aiku-01.jpg
You might not be able to see it very well in this picture, but he's pretty huge now.
And I doubt they would give Ike a similar moveset. His games make a big deal out of Greil's personal sword style he taught to Ike. It's a lot more rough and less formal than Marth's and it would be kind of awkward to give him a similar moveset. Not only that, Ragnell itself is a very different sword from Marth's Falchion.
And, er, what is up with that Snipertango guy? I'd try to correct him, but I'm intimidated by the amount of things wrong in his post.
EDIT: Wow, I got beaten here. Now I look like an idiot for posting this.
Wiseguy
Smash Champion
1) Yes, Ike and Marth swing their swords differently, but they would be similar in that they are both blue-haired, sword weilding Fire Emblem lords. Fire Emblem games have a huge variey of characters to draw upon (axe weilders like Hector, mages like Micaiah, thieves like Sothe, Generals like the Black Knight) so there is no excuse for having two characters so similar.
2) He may be the most important in Japan, but he has yet to appear in a single North American released game.
3) When I said PoR was the greatest, I was stating my opinion. That's why I said "arguably".
4) Wrong> http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=71872&highlight=poll
Yes, you are right about Ike's appearance in the upcoming Fire Emblem but until he starts using an axe or a spear he will still be too similar to Marth in my opinion.
C'mon people, let's send that pansy Marth into retirement and let Ike take on his rightful role as the new Fire Emblem rep!
Kay De
Smash Rookie
I don't care about Marth, I want Roy back but if he isn't back I'll just use Pit, learn how to Spam wavedash with him instead, hopefully he has a move like spike!
snipertango
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BOTH SWORDS DIP**** so they will play similar theres only 1 way to swing a sword. You cant be like oh i have a rapier sword now i cant swing it this way cause my style limits me to doing this. ******* you can only swing a sword one way AT YOUR ENEMY!!!
LukeFonFabre
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Of course Marth is staying, he was the first FE lord so without him, FE wouldn't exist. Plus the FE logo in Smash is Marth's sword after all, and while they could change it, there really is no need to.
The main argument against Marth (besides his effeminate looks, which is probably the poorest reason to kick a character out I've ever seen) is that his game is still Japan only. However, Marth is still known worldwide, not to mention without him FE would still be Japan only (Roy also deserves a little credit for this). Granted, until he's confirmed I cant say he's certainly returning, but there really isn't a good enough reason not to.
Roy however isn't quite as safe. If I'm to believe what people say, then he isn't that popular in Japan (as opposed to Marth, who was the most requested FE character for melee), and ever since Sakurai said some characters won't be returning, a lot of people point to the clones, Roy being one of them. Granted he could altered to be made more different, but I can't really see what they'll change that they can't do with Ike, who is also very likely to get in and probably be much easier to make unique. Roy's not gone yet, but I'm not holding my breath for his return.
Edit: to the person above, you really are an idiot if you think sword=instant clone. Marth and Roy only played the same way because they were clones. I'd like to see you argue that Link and Marth are clones, or MetaKnight and Pit for that matter.
And seriously stop swearing, it just makes it harder to take anything you say seriously as it makes look like you have the mental age of a 8 year old. Though the fact it already looks like you have no idea what you're talking about makes me wonder why I'm wasting my time with you.
The main argument against Marth (besides his effeminate looks, which is probably the poorest reason to kick a character out I've ever seen) is that his game is still Japan only. However, Marth is still known worldwide, not to mention without him FE would still be Japan only (Roy also deserves a little credit for this). Granted, until he's confirmed I cant say he's certainly returning, but there really isn't a good enough reason not to.
Roy however isn't quite as safe. If I'm to believe what people say, then he isn't that popular in Japan (as opposed to Marth, who was the most requested FE character for melee), and ever since Sakurai said some characters won't be returning, a lot of people point to the clones, Roy being one of them. Granted he could altered to be made more different, but I can't really see what they'll change that they can't do with Ike, who is also very likely to get in and probably be much easier to make unique. Roy's not gone yet, but I'm not holding my breath for his return.
Edit: to the person above, you really are an idiot if you think sword=instant clone. Marth and Roy only played the same way because they were clones. I'd like to see you argue that Link and Marth are clones, or MetaKnight and Pit for that matter.
And seriously stop swearing, it just makes it harder to take anything you say seriously as it makes look like you have the mental age of a 8 year old. Though the fact it already looks like you have no idea what you're talking about makes me wonder why I'm wasting my time with you.
Wiseguy
Smash Champion
I think snipertango has some anger issues.
Anyway, I agree with LukeFonFabre - to a point. Its true that Marth has alot of fans worldwide, not because they have played his games but because he is a powerful fighter and they think he looks cool.
But given the fact that there might be as few as two fire Emblem characters in Brawl, I can't see those spots being taken up by two characters who look so similar. I say replace Marth with Ike and make his moveset very similar to Marth's and give the other spot to a more interesting character, like the Black Knight.
Anyway, I agree with LukeFonFabre - to a point. Its true that Marth has alot of fans worldwide, not because they have played his games but because he is a powerful fighter and they think he looks cool.
But given the fact that there might be as few as two fire Emblem characters in Brawl, I can't see those spots being taken up by two characters who look so similar. I say replace Marth with Ike and make his moveset very similar to Marth's and give the other spot to a more interesting character, like the Black Knight.
snipertango
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i kind of like that idea have the hero and the nemesis that would be pretty cool. AND **** STRAIGHT I HAVE ANGER ISSUES xD
snipertango
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i saw keep marth and roy and add ike marth and roy were really successful
Wiseguy
Smash Champion
Do you guys really want to buy Brawl only to find that most of the character roster is identical to Melee's? There could potentially be only 35 characters total in the game, meaning that only a handful will be new characters.
I like all the characters in Melee (with the possible exception of that abomination Sheik) but I still think that as many of them as possible should be axed to make way for new characters.
Marth and Roy should be replaced by Ike and the Black Knight. Anyone who misses Marth and Roy can anyways play Melee.
I like all the characters in Melee (with the possible exception of that abomination Sheik) but I still think that as many of them as possible should be axed to make way for new characters.
Marth and Roy should be replaced by Ike and the Black Knight. Anyone who misses Marth and Roy can anyways play Melee.