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Marth Removed? - Ike's alt custome?

AlphaDragoon2002

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Ike having Counter is a better reason to be worried about Marth or Roy being gone than the outfit. But I think Marth will still be in, that'd be like Peach staying in and Mario being removed. Marth's the "icon" of Fire Emblem, being the first main character and all.

EDIT: Albeit it DOES look like Ness got nixed for Lucas, so...
 

Jumpinjahosafa

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They have no reason to remove Marth. He has an original moveset, and I don't see why they can't have more than one FE character.

I was getting pretty good with Marth too. And thats my selfish reason why he should still be in.
 

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Ike having Counter is a better reason to be worried about Marth or Roy being gone than the outfit. But I think Marth will still be in, that'd be like Peach staying in and Mario being removed. Marth's the "icon" of Fire Emblem, being the first main character and all.

EDIT: Albeit it DOES look like Ness got nixed for Lucas, so...
Not true at all.
Peach is not a protagonist. (Except in that Peach game that 6 people bought)
A realistic analogy would be if Dr. Mario got in and not Mario.



Don't you think it's a little confusing to have two characters who are virtually the same?
If you don't think they are, get real. Blue haired sword users with capes, the move: counter, and the chargable sword swing. Marth has little chance, and for good reason.

Ness was a great character, as was Marth. They're both gone, let's embrace Lucas and Ike.
 

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I really hope Marth get the shaft. I am extremely sick of Marth because he is THE most overused character SSBM along with Fox and Shiek (But I hope Shiek does get in). But if Marth does get in, I hope he gets tweaked majorly along with Shiek (just like what happened to Fox).
 

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Yeah seriously you guys gotta realize its not Melee 2.0 its Brawl we might not seem some of our old favorites and we just have to cope the games still gonna be awesome and with the new characters everyone is bound to find new favorites. Ness and Marth were good unique characters but Sakurai is bring smash to the new age with recent characters from diff game series (ex. TP Link and Zelda SF command Fox Mario Fludd move) its bound to happen and so far it looks for the best here so get over it.
 

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Obviously, it's completely OK to have two BLUE HAIRED characters, with the EXACT SAME clothes on. They're completely different in that one is fast and one is slow.
First off, their appearance means nothing. Second, their clothes are very, very far from the same. Ike is wearing mercenary-style, lower-class clothes with a little leather armor and a traveler's cloak thrown on, while Marth is wearing more regal, cloth clothing and cape and has a metal breastplate for armor. Honestly, how much more blatant do the differences need to be, or does every human wearing older-style clothing look the same to you? The only similarity between the two is their hair color, which doesn't matter a lick (how many other characters in the game have the same hair color? I lost count of all the brown haired ones).

EricShiznit said:
Seriously though, Sakurai has chosen a NEW lead for Fire Emblem. GET OVER IT.
No, hes chosen a new character from the series who happens to be one of the most popular of its characters and one of the only two recurring stars in the series. Marth fits that bill as well, and has more importance to the series and reasons to be in that Ike does to boot - theres no reason he'd be removed for Ike, nor any reason they both couldn't be in.

EricShiznit said:
As for Ike being slow and Marth being fast: If anyone here believes Isaac will be in the game, he'll likely be FAST. Also, we already have LINK, who is clearly faster than Ike.
And this matters why? Neither Isaac nor Link are related to Fire Emblem, Ike, or Marth at all.

ErcShiznit said:
People need to realize this isn't Soul Calibre, where half the characters have swords. Swords are not ORIGINAL, as Sakurai expressed he wanted the characters to be ORIGINAL. Ike is a 2-hand sword user, and therefore different than LINK. You can expect maybe 1 more sword user, two is pushing it. But Marth being one of them is a pipe dream.
Please, think before you post such things. The characters' in-game abilities are irrelevent - they just facilitate the characters' presence, they're not the reason they're put in. Its whether they make good reps for their series that matters, and in that Marth has everything going for him. So there is a growing number of sword-users in the game - big deal. Theres also a much larger number of fist fighters, but that doesn't mean there won't be a lot more of those. Its just as easy to make sword-wielders unique from one another as it is to make anyone else such. Marth is easily the best possible representative for Fire Emblem in SSB, and thats what will allow him to return.

EricShiznit said:
Don't you think it's a little confusing to have two characters who are virtually the same?
Yes, but such characters would be the likes of Young Link and Link, or Doctor or Paper Mario and Mario, not Marth and Ike, who are very distinct from each other.

EricShiznit said:
If you don't think they are, get real. Blue haired sword users with capes, the move: counter, and the chargable sword swing. Marth has little chance, and for good reason.
Peach and Zelda in Melee were blonde-haired princesses in dresses with projectile-reflecting and explosive specials and fist-and-foot-fighting combat. Again, physical appearance means nothing, and in-game abilities are irrelevant. (And Ike doesn't have a chargeable sword swing special, just Eruption and smash attacks.) Marth is probable for good reason - being one of the series' three most popular characters, a much-beloved veteran of Melee, the single most recurring main character in the Fire Emblem series, and the single biggest icon of the series overall (he was even the star of the brief Fire Emblem animated series).

Zevox
 

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At least, some of you helped me to gains a hope for Marth to returning :)

I will root for nerfed Marth (or anything just to get Marth in. I love him for being feminine prince XD)
 

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*First Lord of the series
*The Fire Emblem Icon is HIS sword. Taking Marth out would be like taking Captain Falcon out o_o
*Has his OWN unique moveset and fighting style that does not resemble Ike's (Cept Counter)
*New remake of his game is coming out for his DS so Nintendo knows his importance
*He's hugely popular because of his Melee appearance
*He's awesome XD

Marth is defiantly going to be in. And I'm hoping for a luigi-fied Falco :D
 

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The only reason I want Marth back in it at this point is for his Smash Up-A...
I just like the move...

Edit: I'm gonna miss that Side-B too.

Anyway, for me, Marth is still out.
But, if Ness get's in, then Marth should get it, or vice-versa.
Because they've both kinda had their new counterparts take over.
 

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Ike is not a Marth replacement. He plays vastly different, more like Ganondorf or Bowser than Marth. Check the Ike subforum threads; Ike's only shares two moves with Marth: Forward Tilt and Counter. Many characters through Smash Bros. share even more moves (sexy kicks, Falcon-Samus utilts, Sonic with Fox' uair, Zamus with Shiek-esque moves, etc.) than Ike and Marth do.

Ike will be the hard-hitter, counter-based character while Marth will be the combo artist, speedy one, working as a pair. I also think Ness is gonna return. There's just no point on leaving out original and succesful movesets, since Lucas will have a moveset based on tools than PSI.

Ike and Lucas were revealed before their older counterparts to pick all the attention. If Marth and Ness were revealed before, people won't be interested on Ike and Lucas anymore. By the time Marth and Ness are revealed, people would have learned to love Ike and Lucas too, and so the four of them will have a very similar "status" among players. All of this has been premeditated by Sakurai, of course.
 

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Many characters through Smash Bros. share even more moves (sexy kicks, Falcon-Samus utilts, Sonic with Fox' uair, Zamus with Shiek-esque moves, etc.) than Ike and Marth do.
Heck, Ike has more similarities to Link than Marth (his Dair is the same as Link's sword plant, his Fsmash is Link's from SSB 64, their d-tilts and d-smashes are nearly identical, and their dash attacks are quite similar). Thats a pretty clear indication he isn't meant to be anything like Marth if you ask me.

Zevox
 

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If there was a screenshot of Ike a couple of months ago with a green costume, would Lyn have been deconfirmed?
Only if he wasn't wearing pants... :shudder:

As for Marth, I think it's still up in the air. Sakurai has already shown us that he's as nutty as a fruitcake when it comes to this game (and stages like "PictoChat" only serve to corroborate this).

I don't think we can make any predictions regarding which characters are in based on what. Ness could be out but Marth could still be in. Ness could be in but Marth could still be out.

I think this is a "wait and see" scenario.
 

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Perhaps it is simply that Ike will serve as the (Fire Emblem) starter, and that Marth will remain an unlockable character. I don't know, but it does make sense; having to unlock a certain character by using a character of or related to the same series of games... Just a thought.
 

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I really hope Marth get the shaft. I am extremely sick of Marth because he is THE most overused character SSBM along with Fox and Shiek (But I hope Shiek does get in). But if Marth does get in, I hope he gets tweaked majorly along with Shiek (just like what happened to Fox).
A little Biased much? This isn't Melee.
 

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After today :p its pretty obvious that we can't predict what Sakurai's gonna keep and gonna take out of brawl, and the more characters the better so, heres to hoping marth is still in with his annoyingly overpowered uniqueness in melee :p.

The chances of Predicting whether or not Marth is in or out of brawl cause of a costume is pretty low, so waiting is probably a better choice.
 

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Ike is not a Marth replacement. He plays vastly different, more like Ganondorf or Bowser than Marth. Check the Ike subforum threads; Ike's only shares two moves with Marth: Forward Tilt and Counter. Many characters through Smash Bros. share even more moves (sexy kicks, Falcon-Samus utilts, Sonic with Fox' uair, Zamus with Shiek-esque moves, etc.) than Ike and Marth do.

Ike will be the hard-hitter, counter-based character while Marth will be the combo artist, speedy one, working as a pair. I also think Ness is gonna return. There's just no point on leaving out original and succesful movesets, since Lucas will have a moveset based on tools than PSI.

Ike and Lucas were revealed before their older counterparts to pick all the attention. If Marth and Ness were revealed before, people won't be interested on Ike and Lucas anymore. By the time Marth and Ness are revealed, people would have learned to love Ike and Lucas too, and so the four of them will have a very similar "status" among players. All of this has been premeditated by Sakurai, of course.
That's an ingenious idea. That might just work out...
 

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LOL saying someone has a costume deconfirms people LOL.

If there was a screenshot of Ike a couple of months ago with a green costume, would Lyn have been deconfirmed? Wait until it shows up on the site plz.
Agreed. The costume does not mean their cut. OMG, MARIO HAZ T3h gr33n custom. LUIGI IS T3h Rem0ved.
 

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all i needed to see was Ness being removed for me to come to my conclusion. so no arguements here. I dont think Marth will return. Fire emblem is an ever changing series when it comes to characters so a comparison to Peach and Zelda is ridiculous. Ike having a marth costume isnt what did it for me. he's just so uneeded it's not even funny. again look at Ness. it's horribe to think that a character u love and cherish is getting the axe but thats how it's going to be this time around. people just need to deal with it.
 

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Ness being removed? Are you back from January 24th? Please tell us more!
 

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lol some of you are in such denial it's pathetic. but that's what you get over here on smashboards. gamefaqs is stupid. people over here are ridiculous fanboys. it's a toss up really. anyway from the looks of it Lucas seems very similar to Ness. not mario and luigi similar either. but yeah ypu guys keep the fanboy power for Ness and Marth just because it's the right thing to do.. :confused:
 

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Marth is in three games (DS game that is coming out later is the third one), is extremely popular (America = Melee Japan = FE 1 and 3), his sword is the symbol for the FE franchise in Brawl, his new game is being released soon on the DS, he is nothing like Ike in terms of how he plays in Smash, he was in Melee.

It is not THAT much of a stretch to think he is coming back.
 

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I see why alot of people think it is a stretcht to think he's back, most people believe alot of the clones are being eliminated. The argument for Ike and Marth is that their movelists aren't very similar, and mechanics are way different. I think it's pretty possible though, that the Devs killed two birds with one stone, Marth needed to be balanced (don't you EVEN try to deny that) and instead of going through the pains of adapting a previous character from a japanese based series, they could have easily just decided to make a new representative from scratch that would be balanced to begin with. I'm not going to go into why they didn't do this with Fox (okay, maybe a little... he's the undisputable main character of his series with no potential status equals from his series, unless you want to count falco's stardom boost from melee) or how luigi is not going to be a case of clone consolidation but Doc is (okay, so maybe I will again, Luigi, though similar to Mario, has become a beast of his own nature, where as Dr. Mario was a differently paced and powered Mario). But there seems to be logic behind the claim that Marth is out, more so than Marth being left in in the wake of needing space for fresh faces.
 

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Man! I hate when people assume a character is confirmed or not. Marth might not be in...
 

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I hate it when people make random posts expressing opinion without adding to the topic or supporting their opinion at all :p
 

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honestly to me Marth and Roy even though they are from different FE games come as a package to me. they both were relatively unkown before melee and both arrived in melee. and I cant see one without the other. and even though i do like Roy i know im right when i say he wont be back. so who is Marth? what makes him so special? he is not the main hero in FE.and he is from a japan only soon to be ported to ds in the americas game. Ike is an internaional FE main hero so it was ovious he was going to be in. to appeal to EVERYONE. not one single character in brawl is specific to one region.its not fair to me. and Marth shouldnt be in. him being similar to Ike really isnt the issue. at least not to me. it's what ive stated above that gets to me.
 

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That Sigurd costume fits Ike really well, since Ike is more similar to Sigurd than he is to Marth-like lords.

As for Marth... I strongly suspect that Metaknight is taking Marth's place as the fast swordsman, while still being very different.
 

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all i needed to see was Ness being removed for me to come to my conclusion. so no arguements here. I dont think Marth will return. Fire emblem is an ever changing series when it comes to characters so a comparison to Peach and Zelda is ridiculous. Ike having a marth costume isnt what did it for me. he's just so uneeded it's not even funny. again look at Ness. it's horribe to think that a character u love and cherish is getting the axe but thats how it's going to be this time around. people just need to deal with it.
Its precisely because Fire Emblem is an ever-changing, diverse series that Marth is a likely addition. Unlike most other Nintendo series, it simply can't be properly represented by drawing its characters from just one part of the series, because those characters aren't constants throughout it. Ergo why Melee had Marth (from the first and third games) and Roy (from the sixth, then the most recent), and why it makes perfect sense for Brawl to have Marth (from the first, third, and upcoming eleventh game) and Ike (from the ninth and tenth, now most recent games), plus perhaps a third from somewhere else in the series. The fact that Marth and Ike are two of the three most popular Lords of the series and the only two recurring Lords sets them apart from the others, and the fact that Marth is pretty well the series' biggest icon (being the star of the animated series as well as the more popular of the FE veterans in SSB) just makes him all the more likely. Marth has more going for him than Ike, really.

tstumo said:
honestly to me Marth and Roy even though they are from different FE games come as a package to me. they both were relatively unkown before melee and both arrived in melee. and I cant see one without the other. and even though i do like Roy i know im right when i say he wont be back. so who is Marth? what makes him so special? he is not the main hero in FE.and he is from a japan only soon to be ported to ds in the americas game. Ike is an internaional FE main hero so it was ovious he was going to be in. to appeal to EVERYONE. not one single character in brawl is specific to one region.its not fair to me. and Marth shouldnt be in. him being similar to Ike really isnt the issue. at least not to me. it's what ive stated above that gets to me.
Ah, this explains it - you're thinking from an American-centric viewpoint. Remember, over half of the Fire Emblem series is Japan-only - they're not going to exclude such a sizeable portion of the saga just because it isn't international (if they were being that strict about Japan-only characters, Lucas wouldn't be in, since hes not only Japan-only, but from a series which is quite small and sports only one international game). What makes Marth so special is what I stated above. And besides, Marth is already an international character - or have you forgotten Melee so soon? The rest of the world has been introduced to him via that, and soon will have a true Fire Emblem game featuring him to boot (which his presence in Brawl would do wonders to advertise I may add).

As for Roy, hes no "package" with Marth. The two are utterly unrelated. Just because you think of them as being such because you didn't know about them before Melee doesn't mean thats how it is. Roy was a surprise character to everyone in Melee, because his game wasn't even out yet when Melee came out - he was purely an add, unrelated to Marth's inclusion. Marth was a hugely popular character in Japan long before Melee - He was #11 on the old Melee newcomer poll - by no means unknown there, and unknown elsewhere only because his games had never been released internationally. Now he has been released internationally as a character via Melee and soon will be as a Fire Emblem star via FE:DS, hes by no means unknown elsewhere either.

Simply put, Marth has no reason to be removed, and every possible reason any Fire Emblem character could to represent his series. Its as ludicrous for him to leave as it is for Luigi to do so.

Zevox
 

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If Marth is in, I want him to have a total moveset change. His attacks are nothing like they are in FE. At least Ike has a few FE attacks...
 

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If Marth is going to be out, why Roy is his clone, and not the inverse?
Arguing that Fire emblem is an ever changing series when it comes to characters as a reason for Marth removal, doesn't explains this: Why the hell he is doing in Melee's cast so?

Just wait and see for what Sakurai done.

For me Marth is a likely return, even more after the new Fire Emblem DS game.
 

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Roy is his clone because Ike's model and animations were made before Roy's. At least, that's what they used to say on Nsiders :p
 

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Niruhodo? I'm new to japanese so my vocabulary is bad. I personally think Marth won't be in Brawl because they're using Ike as a "balanced" version of Marth. Instead of re-hashing an old character, they decided another equal representative of the series as a new character would be a better idea. Could be wrong, but at least it's logical and likely.
 

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Darn it people. Stop saying the Fire Emblem icon is Marth's falcion. Every game in the series has had a sword that resembles the falcion. They can't use the Fire Emblem because it changes every game, so the next best thing is a cool looking sword that fans of the series can recognize.

OMG RUNE SWORD IS THE FIRE EMBLEM ICON RUNE SWORDS CONFIRMED OLOLO

While I'm not anti-Marth or anything, that far from confirms him. Considering this costume, which isn't even Marth's colour, is also very wrong. I can understand something like Fox's Wolf O'Donnel costume, where his fur changes and everything. But this is just a change in clothing colour, which isn't even similar to Marth. Marth is much smaller than Ike, wears a tiara, uses a fencer's stance and has completely different attire. (Except for the cape)

Though I don't think Marth will be in, this outfit or the icon has nothing to do with it.
What the crap are you smoking? A runesword looks nothing like that, and the runesword changes in every game! The Falchion is the only sword in ANY Fire Emblem game that looks remotely like that NOTICE THE BIG MORTHIN****ING JEWEL IN THE CENTER OF THE SWORD! No runesword has that! Only the Falchion!
 
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