Marth Removed? - Ike's alt custome?

[Okysho]

also people, keep in mind that there are supposed to be about 30-35 character spots if certain characters don't get in, you have to tink of who would be much better to take that spot.. and they'd have to be pretty **** good to best Marth, considering that Marth bests ike anyways... muhahahaaa

 

[brawl1994]

from far away ike's costume looks like marth

 

[JPW]

Ike's costume looks nothing like Marth's.

Not even close.

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

Most of the heavier speculation sez Ike resembles Sigurd more than Marth.

Despite being a Micaiah fanboy to the point that I made a stupid bet, I see the final roster being Marth and Ike. I'll be surprised if we only see Ike/Micaiah or Ike/Micaiah/Sigurd.

 

[Rex+]

*prays to God*
Spare Marth.
There's no reason for Sakurai not to do it. America has already familiarized itself with Fire Emblem's first hero, even more so with a remake of his game that will be released internationally.
I'd have a heart attack if Marth wasn't in the roster.

 

[Chill]

Marth is in the game. There I said it.

 

[Rex+]

Marth is in the game. There I said it.

God has answered my prayers!
Joy!

 

[Okysho]

lol literally! The god of smashboards has said it!

 

[Mad555]

its very unlikely that marth will return. sorry

 

[Okysho]

its very unlikely that marth will return. sorry

You got something to back that up? There are two really strong support threads with mind-blowing evidence against that claim

 

[vesperview]

Why do people want Marth back? I only hear some biased crap to support his inclusion.

 

[Okysho]

one really nice reason, with the announce of Fire Emblem DS Marth is now a new Market icon there are two threads with a bunch more reasons...

 

[vesperview]

one really nice reason, with the announce of Fire Emblem DS Marth is now a new Market icon there are two threads with a bunch more reasons...

"He's the face of Fire Emblem" doesn't sound too good of a reason.

 

[Okysho]

"He's the face of Fire Emblem" doesn't sound too good of a reason.

That's not what I said, Marth is now a MARKET icon as in he is a character used to promote his new game in order for it to make sales. It's all business, though the fact that Marth IS the face of Fire Emblem is another good point...

IT's like what happened to Roy ins SSBM he was only thrown in to promote the new Fire Emblem game for GBA that was released shortly after Melee in Japan, though it didn't sell well... that's because... well you'd have to play the game to understand, Marth games however have always made good ratings and sales. Hence the remake, hence the marketability value and promotional value if he were put back in brawl

 

[GenG]

Marth is an historical figure for Fire Emblem, Nintendo and the whole Tactic RPG market in general. He isn't only the first FE character, but the character who started the Tactic RPG genre. The first Fire Emblem was very important for Nintendo and the Japanese RPG community and that's why it got 2 remakes already. Fans wanted him in Melee, even at expense of other way more known characters like Metaknight, Dedede, Pit and the like.

The fact that Ike isn't anything like Marth makes him even more likely than before.

 

[SirPenguin]

I'd say Marth wasn't so much liked because of his character (Which, indeed, is just the overplayed 'lol japanese guy with a sword' archetype), but more because he was a pretty high tiered character. If he's replaced, it certainly won't be a great loss. I'm just not entirely convinced Ike is a proper replacement.

 

[Okysho]

Marth is an historical figure for Fire Emblem, Nintendo and the whole Tactic RPG market in general. He isn't only the first FE character, but the character who started the Tactic RPG genre. The first Fire Emblem was very important for Nintendo and the Japanese RPG community and that's why it got 2 remakes already. Fans wanted him in Melee, even at expense of other way more known characters like Metaknight, Dedede, Pit and the like.

The fact that Ike isn't anything like Marth makes him even more likely than before.

that's a good point.. I forgot about that...

I hate to contradict you however, but the first tactics RPG game was actually Shining Force for Genesis, however it was Fire Emblem 1 and 3 which made the genre so popular and that's why it's the biggest game franchise of it's genre today... pretty much all because of Marth

 

[IntelliHeath1]

This is the dumbest thread based on blind speculation I've ever seen.

OP, learn proper grammar you moron.

Tsk Tsk, Kin3tic. Insulting me would make you look much immature. I wonder why you insulted me, because of my speculation?

I don't think you should insult me in first place since I have poor English because English is my second language. Mind you, please grow up and be mature about other people's English since English may not be their first.

Also, insulting other people's speculation or straightforward insult their English is pretty low of you, and pretty immature, but I will leave it as it is.

Thanks you for your comments but it is not necessary of you being smartaleck with english.

 

[Tony_]

Mario has a Wario costume.

Nuff said.

QFE. Just because a person has someones costume does not mean they are gone.

 

[NukeA6]

Why do people want Marth back? I only hear some biased crap to support his inclusion.

He's coming back no matter what you think. You do realize Ike's moves are different from Marth? Where's the Shield Breaker? The Dancing Sword? The Dolphin Slash? The tipper? The speed?

 

[GenG]

that's a good point.. I forgot about that...

I hate to contradict you however, but the first tactics RPG game was actually Shining Force for Genesis, however it was Fire Emblem 1 and 3 which made the genre so popular and that's why it's the biggest game franchise of it's genre today... pretty much all because of Marth

Eh no, Shining Force I was a 1992 game. FE was released in 1990. Also Shining Force copypasted FE's mechanics (grid system, recruits, chapter and map structures, people dead forever) and plot (a Dark Dragon, a Sword of Light, a young and inexpert descendant of a legendary warrior...) badly. The FE remake was a 1993 game and I believe it was a counterattack against those new clones popping around. Shining Force has more credit because SEGA actually worked to bring the series to the US and Europe, while FE remained unknown until Melee.

Maybe you are talking about Shining in the Darkness, which was a 1991 game (after FE) and wasn't even a Tactical RPG but rather one of these first person RPGs like Wizardry.

FE was the first game in its genre, it inspired series like Super Robot Wars, Tactics Ogre, Shining Force, Front Mission... and many of their creators had accepted it in interviews.

 

[Okysho]

Eh no, Shining Force I was a 1992 game. FE was released in 1990. Also Shining Force copypasted FE's mechanics (grid system, recruits, chapter and map structures, people dead forever) and plot (a Dark Dragon, a Sword of Light, a young and inexpert descendant of a legendary warrior...) badly. The FE remake was a 1993 game and I believe it was a counterattack against those new clones popping around. Shining Force has more credit because SEGA actually worked to bring the series to the US and Europe, while FE remained unknown until Melee.

Maybe you are talking about Shining in the Darkness, which was a 1991 game (after FE) and wasn't even a Tactical RPG but rather one of these first person RPGs like Wizardry.

FE was the first game in its genre, it inspired series like Super Robot Wars, Tactics Ogre, Shining Force, Front Mission... and many of their creators had accepted it in interviews.

lol I musta got false information then, I heard from a friend of mine that Shining Force came first... of course I was too lazy to confirm it... I'm sorry I doubted you and yes you are right about the remake being a counteract to shining force 2. However Fire Emblem's popularity (from a gaming aspect) soared a year later when the anime series was started, however they only made two episodes because of lack of viewers (like I said, huge from a gaming aspect, not worldwide) however, those two episdes did make it over to the americas in the late 90s therefore actually making Marth an international character long before they realize... muhahahaaaa

 

[vesperview]

He's coming back no matter what you think.

You don't know that.

 

[Okysho]

You don't know that.

see above...

 

[Devotion]

Though this is just my opinion since I really don't feel like repeating all the above reasons why Marth will still be in the game, but to me it looks like and from personal experience that most people who want Marth gone just hate the character and give the same stupid reason that Ike is the new lord who is popular worldwide.

 

[Sanjuinuthus]

Mario has a Wario costume.

Nuff said.

No.

That costume is Wario's original, NOT Warioware (which is the costume Wario is based off). This doesn't prove anything.

 

[SirPenguin]

QFE. Just because a person has someones costume does not mean they are gone.

Not really, considering Mario has had that costume from Melee (Also SSB64?), so it would make sense to have it. That, and Wario's costume is not his usual, but his WarioWare attire. It doesn't seem fishy that a character from the same series now has his very costume, his IDENTICAL Down + B, and a horribly similar neutral Special? Hmm?

 

[GenG]

Not really, considering Mario has had that costume from Melee (Also SSB64?), so it would make sense to have it. That, and Wario's costume is not his usual, but his WarioWare attire. It doesn't seem fishy that a character from the same series now has his very costume, his IDENTICAL Down + B, and a horribly similar neutral Special? Hmm?

The neutral B don't work the same. But how many chargeable moves are in Smash Bros.?

Samus and Mewtwo share one.
Luigi, Pikachu and Pichu too.
Jigglypuff and Sonic.
Marth and Roy.
Link and Young Link.
Sheik can charge needles.
DK can charge his punch.
Diddy can charge the peanut gun.
Dedede can charge the Jet Hammer.
etc, etc.

Many of these moves are very similar among them, just like some characters have identical A moves:

Mario and Falcon can both AAA
Both have a flip kick in the air.
Both kick to the side.
Both use their legs to sweep.

Falcon and Samus share the up tilt, how many characters share the sexy kick? The list is inmense.

Marth and Ike only share the counter, but the rest is awfully different. Is like comparing Pit with Link. Both have arrows and swords, but that's it.

 

[vesperview]

Why do people even think Marth is the face of Fire Emblem? Just cause he is the first? So that means Firion is the face of Final Fantasy? All Fire Emblem games change their lead, Marth is not the face of FE, he is probably getting replaced by Ike and getting a second rep which is most likely Micaiah or Black Knight.

 

[GenG]

Why do people even think Marth is the face of Fire Emblem? Just cause he is the first?

"Just" cause he has appeared in 3 games so far and a lot of FE related media (manga, novels, trading cards, anime, etc.). He's the most popular FE character no matter how you put it. Here and in Japan.

 

[vesperview]

"Just" cause he has appeared in 3 games so far and a lot of FE related media (manga, novels, trading cards, anime, etc.). He's the most popular FE character no matter how you put it. Here and in Japan.

That doesn't make him immune to get the boot.

 

[GenG]

He isn't inmune but he isn't out yet as you try to claim. Ike isn't replacing Marth. He is also the most likely FE character by a great margin.

 

[2007]

Ike is too manly to have Marth has his alternate costume.

true.

Marth should get the boot (before Roy) because he's not manly enough.
=2007=

 

[Rebel581]

Marth is immune to getting the boot. Marth IS the face of Fire Emblem, period. He was in the first game and the third game. Not to mention, his game is being remade and probably translated. If they weren't putting Marth in Brawl, they wouldn't even bother to remake the old game and bring it to America.

Marth is in. Period. Ike doesn't even have Marth as one of his alt costumes anyways. And the two's movesets are almost completely different. So why does this topic exist?

 

[raphtmarqui]

Not to mention the Brawl FE icon is still the Falchion (Marth's sword).

 

[axemangx]

Marth is immune to getting the boot. Marth IS the face of Fire Emblem, period. He was in the first game and the third game. Not to mention, his game is being remade and probably translated. If they weren't putting Marth in Brawl, they wouldn't even bother to remake the old game and bring it to America.

Marth is in. Period. Ike doesn't even have Marth as one of his alt costumes anyways. And the two's movesets are almost completely different. So why does this topic exist?

Lucas pretty much screws this over

 

[GenG]

Lucas pretty much screws this over

People is hasting on conclusions. We have yet to see Lucas moves to say if Ness is in or out. I think Lucas' moveset will involve things from MOTHER 3, making him different from Ness (Ropesnake, Saturn Tea Table, the "look at that" tactic...).