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Marth or MK

Joeme

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I used to play as marth but then recently switched to Meta Knight because of his high wins, good recovery, high priority, high position on the tier list, and much more. I have been playin with MK but have not been winning as many matches than i was winning with marth. Should I keep MK or go back to Marth.
 

etecoon

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they're not identical but there is a point there that MK more or less invalidates marth competitively, there's no point playing marth except character pride/the fact that he's more fun.
 

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Thats not true at all.
Marth actually can approach characters.

Invalidating marth completely would be saying:
every match up Marth has,
MK does better or equal in.
 

etecoon

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Thats not true at all.
Marth actually can approach characters.

Invalidating marth completely would be saying:
every match up Marth has,
MK does better or equal in.
MK can't approach?

and there are a few matchups marth does better in, but why main the character with bad matchups? because he's more fun or you like him more, that kind of thing, but from a purely playing to win perspective, there's no point
 

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MK can't approach?

but why main the character with bad matchups? because he's more fun or you like him more, that kind of thing, but from a purely playing to win perspective, there's no point
just because you main a high tier like mk doesn't mean your gonna win with them. >.>


use the one that your better with. not the one that is better.
 

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If your better with Marth than go with Marth, or if you feel you can do better with Meta Knight than you can keep him as a main as well. Both characters have swords and a cape, so it's a hard choice. >_<
 

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MK can't approach?

and there are a few matchups marth does better in, but why main the character with bad matchups? because he's more fun or you like him more, that kind of thing, but from a purely playing to win perspective, there's no point
His bad match ups are MK and Dedede.
Dedede is becoming a less seen character these days with the amount of high tier characters with advantages against him, and who doesnt have a bad match up with MK?

If you are going to throw out the play to win perspective then Ill take it to the extreme and say theres no reason not to use MK compared to any character.

Oh, and one of Meta Knights most publicised weaknesses is his approaching ability. His approaches, mind you, have LOLPRIORITY, but are mostly all telegraphed. He cant afford to pressure grounded opponents in the air like Marth can. His out of dash options have terrible range in comparison to the rest of his moveset (when you include his aerial mobility if he decides to aerial). MK does have a better dash to shield time frame though.
I think of MK as having some of the best punishment options in the game. But they are not too crash hot in the neutral situation.
 

etecoon

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agreeing, particularly with the "theres no reason not to use MK compared to any character." if you are only trying to win.

you do have a point that MK's form of a approach tends to be more deliberate and, well, boring, but if he couldn't approach at all he wouldn't be as good as he is, he doesn't have a projectile so he needs to gain a lead to force approaches
 

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Reason why your losing more with mk. Because hes the common char in brawl. So everybody knows the match-up.Go back to marth.
 

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Marth has swagger and his moves all look so pretty when performed.

People with style play Marth.

You want to be the guy at the party who drinks Bud Light or do you want to be the guy at the party who brings in the case of Guiness?
 

Zozefup

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agreeing, particularly with the "theres no reason not to use MK compared to any character." if you are only trying to win.

you do have a point that MK's form of a approach tends to be more deliberate and, well, boring, but if he couldn't approach at all he wouldn't be as good as he is, he doesn't have a projectile so he needs to gain a lead to force approaches
We know you suck against MK. Do you really need to complain about it in 50 different places?

Marth is better than MK in many match ups. If you had to pick one character, clearly, MK would be the best choice. But if your not playing a Top Tier character and you want to win national tournaments, then you will probably need a secondary.

A Marth/Falco combo would clearly be a better choice then using only MK.
 

Joeme

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Falco too

Ive been researching and I think I'm gonna stick with MK have Marth as back up depending on the stage played, items, characters, e.c.t. When both of them fail im gonna use falco cuz he has good match ups where both of them fail... Is this a good idea?
 

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Are you a casual player, ISP player, or SRK'er?


Pretty much everything we've been saying depends on competitive standard (no items, basically SBR rules), and we can't really comment on how this relates to AllBrawl formats or ISP.
 

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I've been playing smash competitively for 5 years and been to 50+ tournaments, and I have no idea what ISP or SRK'er stand for.

I'm not sure what the tier list would look like for casual players. Most casual players I see like characters with projectiles, a solid ground game, and a good roll (Lucario, Pikachu, Zelda)
 

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I've been playing smash competitively for 5 years and been to 50+ tournaments, and I have no idea what ISP or SRK'er stand for.

I'm not sure what the tier list would look like for casual players. Most casual players I see like characters with projectiles, a solid ground game, and a good roll (Lucario, Pikachu, Zelda)
ISP = Items Standard Play.

SRK = Shoryuken (as in shoryuken forums, they endorse the AllBrawl format that we saw in Evo 2008).
 

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We know you suck against MK. Do you really need to complain about it in 50 different places?
I main MK and the ditto is one of my best matchups actually, I have more problems facing random characters I don't know much about.

just because I think "if M2K had mained snake instead of MK everyone would want snake banned" is really, really stupid doesn't mean I hate MK, I just acknowledge that he's better than snake...

A Marth/Falco combo would clearly be a better choice then using only MK.
look at all those marth/falco players winning regionals and nationa-oh wait, the game is dominated by people who mostly work on a single character, oops.
 

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I hate when people choose a character because hes the easiest to win with. Yeah, because that makes a game fun guys.
all dependent on your goals which is something that the topic creator wasn't that clear on. if you only play friendlies with people then yeah, play a fun character like marth. but if you're spending money to compete, why not give yourself every advantage you can?
 

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because it's not only about who is the best character, but also what character fits your play style the best, so no, playing the best character won't always give you an advantage.
 

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I'd agree with that, but that's something that someone has to figure out on their own, especially not something you can really advise someone you don't know over the internet on
 

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look at all those marth/falco players winning regionals and nationa-oh wait, the game is dominated by people who mostly work on a single character, oops.
Look at all those pro MKs winning national tournaments! Oh wait.. they haven't won a national tournament in over a year.

Mastering two characters is harder than mastering one (especially if the one is MK). But there is no reason a Marth main couldn't win a national tournament if he had a secondary to cover his bad match ups.
 

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I think Shaya is forgetting about "Tornado" as one of MKs game-breaking approach options lol

Ya know, you hit the red button really fast? That move. He spins around and ****
 

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I think Shaya is forgetting about "Tornado" as one of MKs game-breaking approach options lol

Ya know, you hit the red button really fast? That move. He spins around and ****
Tornado is a game breaking zoning, and punishment option. Its usages in helping one escape... bad situations... is pretty good as well. You could call that zoning though.

Approaching with it gets punished by a lot of characters...
:|
 

etecoon

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that. tornado isn't a very good basic approach. what does work pretty well is zoning people into it, throw out some safe attacks until your opponent does something like dodging/rolling/jumping, or even attacking in a lot of situations. if you can diminish their shield a bit with pokes a lot of characters have very limited ability to fight this
 

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that. tornado isn't a very good basic approach. what does work pretty well is zoning people into it, throw out some safe attacks until your opponent does something like dodging/rolling/jumping, or even attacking in a lot of situations. if you can diminish their shield a bit with pokes a lot of characters have very limited ability to fight this
This is what I meant lol.
 

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If your better with Marth than go with Marth, or if you feel you can do better with Meta Knight than you can keep him as a main as well. Both characters have swords and a cape, so it's a hard choice. >_<
I read sang that to the tune of "If you're happy and you know it..."

Anyways, play as who you like. Don't conform to the, what may seem, easier win. Look at Melee and you see you have to practice to dominate. Since Marth isn't up up at the top, it'll take some practice to get there. Don't let it discourage you! Personally, I'd say play Marth just to show those Metas who's a better swordsman!

 

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Look at all those pro MKs winning national tournaments! Oh wait.. they haven't won a national tournament in over a year.

Mastering two characters is harder than mastering one (especially if the one is MK). But there is no reason a Marth main couldn't win a national tournament if he had a secondary to cover his bad match ups.
What does MK have to do with maining one character?

Besides I believe Marth's bad MUs are something that you could easily look at optimistically. It's workable.
 

etecoon

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mike was right, my mindset was all wrong. if you like marth more you should play marth. MK is def the best character but that doesn't mean YOU will play best with him
 
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