Mario's Metagame Analysis (Updated as of 3/06/2010)

[Matt07]

Lol Cape and FLUUD are amazing aresenal to Mario. I'd love to test those stuff with him, but like I spend hours and I get nothing new so that makes me bored easily lol. (Just imagines having Samus Super Wavedash in Melee, but with Mario and his Cape xD)

 

[hippiedude92]

Updated the post with some of the stuff everyone said here. I'll try to look into what Hippie said about anti-approaching methods while fighting.

Can anyone confirm if Dash Attack has Super Armor?

Aha! I found ?????? playstyle thread. You'll see what I mean by approach artist/controller w/e. Credits to the ninja of Mario boards :]

http://www.smashboards.com/archive/index.php/t-159957.html

 

[HeroMystic]

Lol, I feel like a copycat now. =(

It seems somewhat like the Luigi Style, but it does have some stuff that I don't have on there. I'll look into it though and see what I can add on the analysis.

 

[hippiedude92]

Lol hero's definitly the next ?????? XD.

 

[Matt07]

Hero I dunno if you need this but I went and got all the damage inputs for each move.

Grounded Moves (Smashes, 'Pummel', Throws, Jabs, Dash Attack)


Forward Smash

Sweet Spotted Damage
Up-18%
Middle-17%
Low-16%

Unsweet Spotted Damage
Up-15%
Middle-14%
Low-13%

*I used an un sweet spotted middle forward smash, and they tripped I did it twice to Ike now, I tried replicating it but nothing. Wth, I never had that happened before.*

Down Smash
First hit-15%
Second hit-12%

Up Smash
14%


Pummel
3%

Forward Throw
9%

Back Throw
12%

Down Throw
6%

Up Throw
8%

Jab Hit 1
3%

Jab Hit 2
2% (xD)

Jab Hit 3
4%

Dash Attack Sweet spotted (Note; Dash attack has a sweet spot, if you do it while your still gaining momentum, that's the sweet spot. If you hit them while you lose momentum, that's 'un' sweet spotted)
9%

Dash Attack Unsweet spotted
7%

Special Moves (Cape, Fireball, and Super Jump Punch)

Cape Used in the Air (Yes, Cape does less damage in the air, dumb??)
6%

Grounded Cape
8%

Fireball
5%

Reveresed Super Jump Punch (If you hit them with the first 'frame' of the attack)
5%

Regular Super Jump Punch (This is 12%, but it could be lower if the opponent DI's, if they can?)
12%

Aerials (Up Air, Back Air, Down Air, Neutral Air)

Up Air
11%

Sweet spotted Back Air (Yea, there's a very slim chance of not getting the sweet spot on it, :D.)
12%

Un sweet spotted Back Air
7%

Down Air (This move ranges since you can Smash DI out of this shield, I also think you can Up B out of the last hit, I did it in Mario's dittos once...but let's keep this a secret, I don't want Marth mains finding this out >.<)
12%

Sweet spotted Neutral Air (If you hit them with N-air right away that's the sweet spot, if you hit them with the 'lingering' frames of the attack that's the 'un' sweet spotted n-air)
10%

Un sweet spotted Neutral Air
5%

I hope this helped you with your meta game analysis, and if this has already been written/known, do I ever feel like I wasted time.

 

[mariofanpm12]

For some very odd reasons, I've used Fireball and F-Tilt on foes and had them inflict more damage than usual.

My F-Tilt did 9%, and the Fireball did 6%... odd, no? Anyone else had this happen, or at least know why?

 

[DtJ XeroXen]

I use the cape on-stage all the time, mainly because I used to do said action in Melee, and earlier Brawl.

Oh yes, and now to hear a little way to handle Banana-Spamming Diddy Kongs. USE THE CAPE (Explanation on the Cape's usage against Diddy Kongs below)

My friend(who is a -VERY- good Diddy main) now fears using his banana combos on me, because I merely cape the bananas as he throws them at me, causing him to trip, and letting me use them to my advantage. You can easily throw the bananas at Diddy, which causes them to fly in the air as Diddy trips, then quickly jump, and N-air, catching the banana, and repeat the process. Or, use a stutter stepped F-smash as Diddy trips. There is virtually nothing the Diddy can do about it, unless he predicts that you are about to throw the banana, and catches it as it is about to hit him. NOW GO OWN SOME DIDDY KONGS!

 

[Matt07]

That works for the most part. The Cape really makes Diddy more prone to using their bananas/being more cautious. They still have the throw gliding(?) and that can set up for some serious mindgames, with their bananas. But the Cape really helps in this match-up.

 

[HeroMystic]

It's seriously not as easy as it sounds.

 

[Matt07]

Haha agreed Mystic, Diddy's still give me trouble .

I hope you read my post on the third page, last comment xD, it was about the Mario's individual move damages, and stuff.

 

[SkylerOcon]

The Real Mario Moveset Tier List

by Skyler Ocon

Top Tier

Cape
Cape
Cape

High Tier

Cape
Cape
Cape
Cape
Cape

Middle Tier

Cape
Cape
Cape
Cape

Low Tier

Cape
Cape
Cape

Does-not-exist Tier

Dtilt

 

[HeroMystic]

No worries, I saw it. I'll probably update tomorrow or something.

Btw, against Diddy, it's best if you can limit the fight to Diddy only being able to have one banana on the stage. Him having two will bring a lot of trouble. Keep one banana and make sure you're using it the most. If you find yourself being overwhelmed then immediately throw it off. Diddy will have a hard time fighting Mario without bananas, but he'll always have at least one out.

Diddy isn't difficult, but his rhythm is hard to break. Once you do though you'll be able to win.

EDIT: lol @ Skyler!

 

[Matt07]

Lmfao Skyler! Cape FTW. And rofl at the lonely d-tilt. Where's the love for that move guys?

I usually don't like bananas at all, my banana control sucks, so I usually like to throw them off. But if your good with Bananas keep them on, they'll help you more then hurt you (well most of the time xD)

 

[DtJ XeroXen]

The only problem with trying to control two bananas, is the fact that Diddy can easily regain one of them, however, if you do manage to control and maintain two of Diddy's bananas, they become really frustrated, and tend to stop using the second. (This happened to me over the weekend) Just as a side note, they'll eventually start hopping above you and throw the banana downard, if they predict your about to cape it. In that case, you could dodge, or attempt to catch it in mid-air.

All in all, mess with a Diddy's mind, using the cape, it's fun to hear them complain.

Edit: As a side note for Diddy's recovery, while it's still charging, if they know a cape is coming, they'll most likely wait it out. If you know that's what they'll do, do any aerial attack against them, their aerial delay after being hit usually means death for them.

 

[Mota]

WOW good read. You put alot of effort in.
Wish someone did somthing like this in the Toon Link boards.

Whats FIHL btw

 

[SkylerOcon]

FIHL is Fludd Induced Hit Lag. If any attack out-prioritizes the FLUDD, we can use it to cause the opponent to become stuck on a frame, giving us a free hit if we time it right.

 

[HeroMystic]

Removed the Moveset Tier list due to moderation.

 

[Dr. Grandpa]

Go Mario. Too good.

 

[hippiedude92]

Did you really have to write out the damage %s? lol.

 

[Matt07]

xD, I dunno lol I thought some of the information was useful, and it kept me busy for about an hour .

 

[Takeshi245]

Sweet analysis, Hero Mystic! It wouldn't surprise me if this was mistaken as a guide. It has made me contemplate about using F-tilt more again since I don't use it much. Also, I'm going to use U-tilt more. I stopped using it after my style changed. Used it yesterday in a couple Wi-Fi matches and it was sweet. Also, the jab combo can poke shields sometimes. That increases its usefulness. Oh, and I think an alternative name for the Super Jump Punch could be Shoryuken! Street Fighter IV has influenced me. LOL.

 

[hippiedude92]

You should add that Nair is a decent OOS option. espically when the strong frames come out first.

I should know because of Luigi exprenice lol.

 

[BoTastic!]

Jab locking also easy to pull off on Melee Yoshi's Island. That can be added.

 

[HeroMystic]

Mind giving a thorough explanation? I'm assuming it has something to do with the platforms since they act like ceilings as well.

I'll be updating when I'm not crammed with homework.

 

[Hylian]

Sticky.

You guys have too many stickys :/.

 

[BoTastic!]

Mind giving a thorough explanation? I'm assuming it has something to do with the platforms since they act like ceilings as well.

I'll be updating when I'm not crammed with homework.

Yes It is the ceilings. And I Believe the hill can probably be used to jab lock the opponent offstage.

 

[SkylerOcon]

If your opponent is at the right percents, you can also just uair your opponent up the hill and kill them. The stun you get when you hit the ground helps this.

 

[Kinzer]

Sticky.

You guys have too many stickys :/.

Meh...

 

[hippiedude92]

Sticky.

You guys have too many stickys :/.

We're more special amrite ? :]

 

[mirkdddlhppr]

Brilliant analysis. This will incontrovertibly help my progression into a greater Mario. Thanks!

 

[vato_break]

you spelled combo on the cape section wrong.

 

[HeroMystic]

Fix'd.

The update is coming soon btw.

 

[Takeshi245]

Sticky.

You guys have too many stickys :/.

The Mario boards are just too good, man!

 

[Terodactyl Yelnats]

That shutter step fsmash works wonders on the unsuspecting opponent.

 

[vadgama]

I have some acronyms i dont understand such as FIHL, OOS. And also what is spotdodging and shading?? can someone help me out with these?

 

[Judge Judy]

I have some acronyms i dont understand such as FIHL, OOS. And also what is spotdodging and shading?? can someone help me out with these?

FIHL = FLUDD Induced Hit Lag

OOS = Out of Shield

spotdodging = sidestep

 

[HeroMystic]

^Adding onto that:

SHAD = Short Hop Air Dodge

 

[hippiedude92]

I dont think you've added it but I think we're up to the point where Mario definitely is the rapist of all in double's. Fludd can just be wayy darn good honestly :/ or bad lol. but yeah think about adding a double's section for mario

 

[vadgama]

Thanks Judge and Hero, that clears things up for me

 

[mr.mario]

the cape is ****