Mario Moveset Discussion. Current: None!

[Blackbelt]

I use Fireballs alot.


I like burning things.



And Fireballs make the best defense ever.

 

[hippiedude92]

Fireballs > Ivysaur.

 

[Judge Judy]

Fireballs are really nice for setups and spacing. Fireballs are pretty nice at edgeguarding and are a pretty good defense against edgeguarders. It can stop a few ground approaches, like snakedashing and MK's aerials. It can ground hug. Not much to really say about the fireball except that it's a very flexible projectile.

 

[Skink]

super effective against grass and bug types

 

[SkylerOcon]

super effective against grass and bug types

Hahahaha.

Anyway...

Fireballs a core part of Mario's game. It helps him approach and can really only be hindered by other Marios (which aren't that common) and Earthbound characters (which also aren't that common!). Good for setting up combos, the underused fireball to fair spike is complete ****, and they're useful for building up damage during a retreat.

And did I mention that they actually let Mario have some combo ability in Brawl?

Combos.

Seriously.

 

[Barge]

Might I suggest Pictures and colors?

Not that they're necessary, but it'll make the thread look nice.

 

[Matt07]

Might I suggest Pictures and colors?

Not that they're necessary, but it'll make the thread look nice.

Eh, good idea. I'll post them some right now, and SkylerOcon can add them.

 

[SkylerOcon]

I'll just resize them so they're not absolutely giant and make the text in the OP look to small.

That said, I'm finalizing my WWYP entry. So don't expect them done tonight.

 

[Matt07]

I'll just resize them so they're not absolutely giant and make the text in the OP look to small.

That said, I'm finalizing my WWYP entry. So don't expect them done tonight.

Yea they are pretty huge, it was all I could find, I'll edit my post so it doesn't take up 50% of this thread.

 

[SkylerOcon]

Send them to me in a PM, when you have the chance.

 

[Matt07]

Bump, I think we need a new discussion now, Fireball seems to be done.

I used information out of this thread too come up with the summary, credit goes to the original posters.

Pros:
+Key to Mario's approaching. You can practically follow up anything from a Fireball.
+Can prove annoying too characters that can crawl.
+Fireballs can help against ledgeguarders.
+disrupts your oponent's attacks and leads to follow ups.
+Its not too good for camping but its better than not having a projectile at all while retreating.

Cons:
-It travels pretty slow, and can get powershielded easily.
-You can't really camp with Fireballs.
-Fireballs don't travel as far as they used to.
-Low priority

 

[SkylerOcon]

Alright. It's been changed to the Super Jump Punch.

 

[Matt07]

Super Jump Punch

Pros:
+It helps you recover.
+Last frame of attack causes an awesome stage spike. (On edges like Battlefield, and Smashville.)
+Has invincibility on start, and goes throw all attacks.
*This might be true, might be false* His up B might be able to go through Falco's chaingrab.

Cons:
-Not really the best recovery compared to others.
-Easily predictable.
-Ending lag can cause you to get punished.

Oh, how could I forget this one. You steal pretty yellow coins when you hit them, Mario get's free coins!!

 

[hippiedude92]

imo super jump is his best OOS option. its best defensive mechansism that works like marths upb somehow. the last frames can potentially stage spike if they dont edgehog properly. but it has rather gay ending lag, predictable.

 

[GHNeko]

SJP can also be angled straight up for possibly a higher vertical reach, or angled at wut...60 degrees for horizontal? Also, the hitbox is actually not bad, as seen HERE @ 1:19. SJP has a nice hitbox IMO.

 

[A2ZOMG]

LOL, that Fox got killed by the Up-B at 160%! He's so **** lightweight.

Up-B is awesome if situational. Decent ledgecamp tool. Good OOS option. Several aerials true combo into it. Amazing priority.

 

[Judge Judy]

Fast, high priority, invincible startup...jeeze it sounds like an atk MK would have have...

Anyway, it's a very good OOS option and it has a lot of weight-based knockback so it can occasionally KO lighter characters if you hit it right.

 

[BoTastic!]

ummm change the title?

 

[SkylerOcon]

I just realized that the title wasn't changed <_<

 

[BoTastic!]

lol .

 

[SkylerOcon]

Anyway...

Super Jump Punch is a good move overall. It has no real use outside of recovery, but it can stage spike and can be used for KOs if your opponent is at really, really high percentages.

 

[BlueJx23]

hello, new poster here. i've only mained mario for a couple weeks, so i'm more or less here to learn and contribute what little i can.

on topic, the SJP can be used as a surprise attack when juggling your opponent and they believe you have no more jumps left. it can even kill at a decent percent if your opponent is high (and light) enough. i also use it every now and then to disrupt Metaknight's glide attack.

question. how many frames of invincibility does the SJP have? just curious.

 

[PKNintendo]

Don't forget the added power of the SWEETspot. (yes it does more damage up close)

Super jump out of shield>****.

 

[HeroMystic]

question. how many frames of invincibility does the SJP have? just curious.

If it's like Marth's: Five frames.

I have no real way of testing that however since I don't know how to count frames.

 

[BoTastic!]

SJP is probably one of Mario's best moves. It actually helps him more than it does for his recovery in my opinion.

 

[PKNintendo]

SJP is probably one of Mario's best moves. It actually helps him more than it does for his recovery in my opinion.

Thats is true.

 

[bobson]

SJP is a solid attack outside of recovery usage, actually. It'll usually take your opponent by surprise unless you've been using it predictably.


...better than dtilt, anyway.

 

[Matt07]

dtilt owwnss seriously. It has major start up lag, has very little knockback, and does little damage.

 

[BoTastic!]

Anything is better than Dtilt, man. Also SJP OOS causes your oponent to watch their spacing, unless they eat a SJP to the face when you block their aerials.

 

[Matt07]

Anything is better than Dtilt, man. Also SJP OOS causes your oponent to watch their spacing, unless they eat a SJP to the face when you block their aerials.

Haha true, Mario's dtilt is like the worst move in the game. I need to use more up B's, it seems really good. I only use it for recovering at the moment .

 

[BoTastic!]

SJP is better than Fireballs, Dtilt, Fair, and Nair. It has so much Priority, comes out instantly, and has a lot of knockback. The ending lag is gay tho, so make sure you hit.

Its not better than Bair. Nothing is Better than Bair, it's too good.

 

[HeroMystic]

There seems to be no love for dash attack...

 

[BoTastic!]

SJP is better than Dash attack too

 

[Monk/Honkey/Banana]

Soopa Jump Paunche is pretty hot...

drop from edge -> Uair -> Up-b = Infinite Priority Shield



Next move should be Down Tilt....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4tktxmnHf0

 

[Matt07]

, that video was quite amusing.

 

[A2ZOMG]

If it's like Marth's: Five frames.

I have no real way of testing that however since I don't know how to count frames.

I highly doubt that. What seems more likely is that you're invincible during the first three or four frames. Mario's SJP initiates frame three btw.

It doesn't have many invul frames meaning you have to space this attack carefully if you want to beat something like the Mach Tornado.

D-tilt and Dash attack are both near-useless.

The Dash attack is slightly less useless. You can use this to punish spotdodgers or air dodgers for example. It's also Mario's fastest attack from a Dash, meaning it can be used as a last ditch effort to chase someone down when nothing else will hit them fast enough. Mario's Dash Attack Cancel is also moderately useful, sliding a reasonable distance if you hold down the U-smash charge stance for a little bit before you release it. It's hard to do though.

The best use I've found for the D-tilt is spamming it on the Luigi's mansion columns to get around diminishing returns. Otherwise it does have slightly more range than his Jab, hits lower, so it can shield poke a bit (don't do this against DDD though) and at high percents, you can use this to knock people up for a follow up.

 

[HeroMystic]

Dash attack is not useless. >_>

 

[Matador]

Dash attack is not useless. >_>

Still, very easy to punish and has terrible ending lag. I like where it puts opponents when it lands, and has decent speed if you're chasing your opponent, and punishes spotdodging pretty well, but it's so unsafe.

The Risk:Reward is unbalanced for it.

Even moreso for Dtilt...

 

[HeroMystic]

Yeah, it's pretty punishable if you overuse it, but it does have it's uses. So many things you combo into with that move that sometimes using it can give you the kill that you need.

Then again, I've been a Mario dash attack fanatic ever since Smash64.

I'd rather wait till the move discussion before I lay out all the full uses of it.

 

[Judge Judy]

Dtilt is terrible but it has some uses, it's a decent juggling move around 50+ dmg. Dtilt can be a decent move if you know how and when to use it. Mario's dash atk...it's ok...but very punishable.