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Making a Smash roster where every character is a 2-in-1 fighter

RouffWestie

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Here's a little thought experiment I thought would be a fun challenge.
Pretend you're in charge of a Smash roster, and Nintendo has given you this mandate:
"You know these transforming fighters? Make everyone in this new game have that same mechanic!"
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  • Every fighter now transforms into or tags-in another fighter
  • Both must be from the same franchise
  • If you can’t find a fitting partner for someone, you must give 1 character 2 unique forms to swap between with different playstyles
Also, the AI partner properties of :popo::rosalina: are no longer possible in this new roster, however if you don't want them cut, the individual characters can be brought back and reworked within the new mandates.

You’re given every resource needed to create and balance a roster of anywhere from 42-50 fighter duos. What would your ideal roster end up looking like with these new requirements?

Genuinely had a hard time coming up with a roster for this but I tried:
  1. :ultmario:/ :ultluigi:
  2. :ultpeach:/ Toad
  3. :ultbowser: / :ultbowserjr:
  4. :ultrosalina:/ Luma
  5. :ultyoshi:: Classic / Fruit Powers (different stats, new specials based on abilities gained from fruits in previous games)
  6. :ultdk:: Modern / Arcade
  7. :ultdiddy: / Dixie Kong
  8. :ultkrool:: King / Kaptain (current Neutral B moved to Kaptain form, moveset takes more from DKC2 fight)
  9. :ultwario:/ Waluigi
  10. :ultlink:/ :ultyounglink:
  11. :4zelda:/ :4sheik:
  12. :ultganondorf:/ Ganon
  13. :ulttoonlink: / Spirit Zelda
  14. :ultsamus:/ :ultzss:
  15. :ultridley:: Normal / Meta Ridley
  16. :ultpit:/ :ultpalutena:
  17. :ultfalcon:: Normal / Super (changes to outfit from the unused F-Zero X expansion, different stats and attack properties)
  18. :ultmarth:: Tipper / Close Range
  19. :ultrobin:/ :ultchrom:
  20. :ultkirby:/ Bandana Dee
  21. :ultmetaknight:: Galaxia / Master (new moveset, less multihits but more power)
  22. :ultkingdedede:: Normal / Masked (different specials and attack properties)
  23. Magolor: Base Form / Crowned Form
  24. :ultfox:/ :ultfalco:
  25. :ultwolf:/ Pigma
26. :ultlittlemac:: Boxing Gear / Training Hoodie (improves weaknesses, but slower and can't fill meter)
27. :ultness:/ Paula
28. :ultpikachu:/ :ultlucario:
29. :ultcharizard:/ Blastoise
30. :ultmewtwo:: Base Form / Mega Y
31. :ultgreninja:/ :ultincineroar:
32. :ultolimar:/ :ultalph:
33. :ultisabelle:/ Tom Nook
34. :ultshulk:/ Fiora
35. :ultpyra:/ :ultmythra:
36. :ultinkling:: Old Weapons / New Weapons (new specials and smashes, different ink consumption based on weapon)
37. :ultsonic:/ Knuckles
38. Shadow / Rouge
39. Mega Man X / Zero
40. :ultryu:/ Chun Li
41. :ultpacman:/ Ghosts
42. Black Mage / White Mage
43. :ultcloud:/ Tifa
44. :ult_terry:/ Kyo
45. Trevor / Alucard
46. :ultrichter:/ Maria
47. :ultsteve:/ Pillager
48. :ultsora:/ Roxas
49. Papyrus / Sans
50. Sakamoto Ryoma: Gunslinger mode / Samurai mode
 
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:ultmario::ultluigi::ultfox::ultfalco::ultlink::ulttoonlink::ultsamus::ultzss::ultridley::ultdarksamus::ultpikachu::ultcharizard::ultminminTwintelle:ultkirby:B. Dee:ultmarth::ultroy::ultness::ultlucas::ult_terry:Mai
:ultbowser::ultbowserjr::ultlittlemac:Doc Louis:ultzelda::ultsheik::ultpyra::ultmythra::ultryu::ultken::ultpichu::ultjigglypuff::ulticeclimbers::ultduckhunt::ultkingdedede::ultmetaknight::ultchrom::ultrobinf::ultsonic:Tails
:ultpeach::ultdaisy::ultvillager::ultisabelle::ultganondorf:Ganon:ultshulk:Melia:ultcloud::ultsephiroth::ultlucario::ultgreninja::ultfalcon:Goroh:ultmegaman:Roll:ultike::ultbylethf::ultsnake:Meryl
:ultwario:Waluigi:ultpit::ultpalutena::ultdiddy:Dixie:ultgnw::ultrob::ultsimon::ultrichter::ultsquirtle::ultivysaur::ultolimar::ultalph::ultpacman:Ms.:ultpacman::ultcorrinf::ultlucina::ultsora:Riku
:ultdk::ultkrool::ultdarkpit:Viridi:ultwolf:Leon:ultrosalina::ultdoc::ultyoshi::ultpiranha::ultincineroar::ultmewtwo::ultbayonetta:Jeanne:ulthero3::ulthero::ultwiifittrainer::ultwiifittrainer:Callie/Marie

Since your example counts Wario as a Mario character, I went ahead and did the same to pair him with Waluigi. Following this I did take the liberty of counting Yoshi as a Mario character as well. Given that Yoshi games tend to include a lot of elements from Mario, I find it even more appropriate than Wario who has two very different series all to his own with distinct locales and characters.

I did pair :ultgnw::ultrob: despite the same series rule as they're more representative of toys rather than actual game series. ROB is just ROB; he has no series he belongs to, and G&W is an amalgamation of all the G&W handhelds. They're hardware/peripheral reps that only exist in Smash because Sakurai took a lot of creative liberties and made them into new characters.

Losing either or both would be a shame imo, and the rules laid out practically require they be cut as they fall outside of its main guidelines. That does leave the option of giving them two move sets which I think can be easily done for both. G&W has plenty more to pull from and ROB's moves are almost all Smash original anyway. But, for the sake of keeping in more characters I chose to pair them.

If splitting them is absolutely required however then I'd drop Pitoo and Viridi.

Similar reasoning for :ultduckhunt::ulticeclimbers: They come from single game series, so they're instead paired as NES reps. With DH in particular more than one game is being repped through his inclusion as he's got the Wild Gunmen and Hogan's Alley in tow, so I don't know if your rules would count the zapper titles as a series?

If they need to be split, then I'd drop Chrom and Lucina and rearrange the FE teams.

:ultwiifittrainer: was the only one to receive a second move set, with the new kit being themed around the aerobics and balance games in Wii Fit/Plus/U. Her current moves are based specifically on the yoga portion of the game, so that would cover the rest.

I did replace :ultinkling: with Callie and Marie. If the whole theme of this game is duos, it'd feel like a missed opportunity not to use the Squid Sisters.

As for the rest of the cuts:

:ultbanjokazooie: - I've never played Banjo, so I don't even know who to pick as his partner. Well aside from splitting the move set to have a second style where Kazooie is the primary character being controlled. I am aware of characters like Gruntilda and Mumbo Jumbo, but I don't really have any interest in them.

:ultjoker: - I like P5, but I'm personally not a fan of how he turned out in Smash. Plus, while my primary focus was on keeping as many characters/series as possible, I am giving priority to Nintendo characters over third party series. Hence why I didn't drop any FE or PKMN characters in favor of keeping him or the other cut guests. If I did retain him though, I'd add Ann as his partner.

:ultkazuya: - Adding another Tekken character on top of Kazuya who you can swap between sounds like a workload/balancing nightmare. We're he actually retained; I'd pair him with Jun.

:ultmiifighters: - I assume custom characters are just off the table in this scenario.

:ultyounglink: - Simply got out-prioritized. I don't really want to replace any of the other characters with a third Link.

:ultsteve: - I'm neutral on Minecraft as a game, but like Joker, not a huge fan of the execution. And similar to Kazuya, I don't want to imagine what extra stuff they'd try to put on a second Minecraft character. Now if the move sets got reworked, I'd split Alex off into her own character to serve as the second half of the duo. Then I'd give her a bow, potions, etc.

EDIT: just realized I did 52 instead of 50. In that case drop Chrom/Lucina and redo the other pairs as Ike/Robin and Corrin/Byleth.
 
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  1. :ultmario: :ultpeach:
  2. :ultyoshi: :ultluigi:
  3. :ultdaisy: (Toadette)
  4. :ultbowser: :ultkrool: (i know this is a stretch for the series rule but wanted this pairing)
  5. :ultbowserjr: :ultpiranha:
  6. :ultdk: :ultdiddy:
  7. :ultwario: (Waluigi)
  8. :ultlink: :ultzelda:
  9. :ultsheik: (Warriors Impa)
  10. :ultganondorf: (Master Kohga)
  11. :ultpikachu: :ultsquirtle:
  12. :ultjigglypuff: :ultivysaur:
  13. :ultcharizard: :ultmewtwo:
  14. :ultlucario: :ultpichu:
  15. :ultgreninja: :ultincineroar:
  16. :ultkirby: :ultkingdedede:
  17. :ultmetaknight: (Magalor)
  18. :ultsamus: (Rundas)
  19. (Sylux) :ultdarksamus:
  20. :ultridley: (Raven Beak)
  21. :ultfox: (Krystal)
  22. :ultfalcon: (Dr. Clash)
  23. :ultness: :ultlucas:
  24. (Alear):ultmarth:
  25. (Lyn) :ultroy:
  26. :ultike: (Micaiah)
  27. :ultrobin: :ultchrom:
  28. (Azura):ultcorrin:
  29. (Shez):ultbyleth:
  30. :ultpit: :ultpalutena:
  31. (Viridi):ultdarkpit:
  32. :ultolimar: (Oatchi)
  33. :ultisabelle: (KK Slider)
  34. :4mii: :ultwiifittrainer:
  35. :ultlittlemac: (Doc Lewis)
  36. :ultshulk: (Fiora)
  37. (Rex) :ultpyra:
  38. :ultinkling: (Sheldon)
  39. :ultminmin (Mechanica)
  40. :ultsonic: (Tails)
  41. (Eggman)(Shadow)
  42. :ultbayonetta: (Rodin)
  43. :ultjoker: (Morgana)
  44. :ultmegaman: (Zero)
  45. :ultryu: (Chun Li)
  46. (Guile) :ultken:
  47. :ultpacman: (Chomp Chomp)
  48. :ultkazuya: (JACK)
  49. :ult_terry: (Iori)
DLC (since i went over 50 trying to cover mostly everyone)
  1. :ultsnake: (Raiden)
  2. :ultsimon: (Alucard)
  3. :ultcloud: (Tifa)
  4. :ultsephiroth: (Rufus Shinra)
  5. :ulthero: (Slime)
  6. :ultsora: (Roxas)
  7. :ultbanjokazooie: (Mumbo Jumbo)
  8. :ultsteve: (Iron Golem)
 
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nirvanafan said:
  1. :ultmario: :ultpeach:
  2. :ultyoshi: :ultluigi:
  3. :ultdaisy: (Toadette)
  4. :ultbowser: :ultkrool: (i know this is a stretch for the series rule but wanted this pairing)
  5. :ultbowserjr: :ultpiranha:
  6. :ultdk: :ultdiddy:
  7. :ultwario: (Waluigi)
  8. :ultlink: :ultzelda:
  9. :ultsheik: (Warriors Impa)
  10. :ultganondorf: (Master Kohga)
  11. :ultpikachu: :ultsquirtle:
  12. :ultjigglypuff: :ultivysaur:
  13. :ultcharizard: :ultmewtwo:
  14. :ultlucario: :ultpichu:
  15. :ultgreninja: :ultincineroar:
  16. :ultkirby: :ultkingdedede:
  17. :ultmetaknight: (Magalor)
  18. :ultsamus: (Rundas)
  19. (Sylux) :ultdarksamus:
  20. :ultridley: (Raven Beak)
  21. :ultfox: (Krystal)
  22. :ultfalcon: (Dr. Clash)
  23. :ultness: :ultlucas:
  24. (Alear):ultmarth:
  25. (Lyn) :ultroy:
  26. :ultike: (Micaiah)
  27. :ultrobin: :ultchrom:
  28. (Azura):ultcorrin:
  29. (Shez):ultbyleth:
  30. :ultpit: :ultpalutena:
  31. (Viridi):ultdarkpit:
  32. :ultolimar: (Oatchi)
  33. :ultisabelle: (KK Slider)
  34. :4mii: :ultwiifittrainer:
  35. :ultlittlemac: (Doc Lewis)
  36. :ultshulk: (Fiora)
  37. (Rex) :ultpyra:
  38. :ultinkling: (Sheldon)
  39. :ultminmin (Mechanica)
  40. :ultsonic: (Tails)
  41. (Eggman)(Shadow)
  42. :ultbayonetta: (Rodin)
  43. :ultjoker: (Morgana)
  44. :ultmegaman: (Zero)
  45. :ultryu: (Chun Li)
  46. (Guile) :ultken:
  47. :ultkazuya: (JACK)
  48. :ult_terry: (Iori)
DLC (since i went over 50 trying to cover mostly everyone)
  1. :ultsnake: (Raiden)
  2. :ultsimon: (Alucard)
  3. :ultcloud: (Tifa)
  4. :ultsephiroth: (Rufus Shinra)
  5. :ulthero: (Slime)
  6. :ultsora: (Roxas)
  7. :ultbanjokazooie: (Mumbo Jumbo)
  8. :ultsteve: (Iron Golem)
Click to expand...
Where's Pac-Man? At least pair him with Blinky. (The red ghost)
 
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Okay Lets do this!
BTW my version of this game would have a Single Fighter Mode were you only play with one! But thats just me...
Here:
  1. Mario + Luigi
  2. Peach + Toad
  3. Bowser + Bowser Jr.
  4. Yoshi + Birdo
  5. Wario + Ashley
  6. Donkey+ Diddy
  7. Geno + Mallow
  8. Champion Link + Champion Zelda
  9. Toon Link + Phantom Zelda
  10. (Transformation) Ganondorf (OOT) into Classic Pig Ganon
  11. Kirby + Bandana Waddle Dee
  12. King Dedede+ Meta Knight
  13. Samus + Baby Metroid
  14. Ridley + MB (Mother Brain / Melissa Bergman) pls dont kill me i just struggle to imagine t rex mother brain in smash so otherM it is!
  15. (Transformation) Captain Falcon Into Falcon in blue falcon!
  16. Little Mac + Doc Louis
  17. Mr. Game and Watch + Octopus
  18. (evolution) Pichu into Pikachu
  19. Red: Charizard + Mewtwo
  20. Giovanni: Merkrow + Rizeros
  21. Fox + Falco
  22. Wolf + Andross
  23. Pit + Dark Pit
  24. Ness + Paula
  25. Lucas + Claus
  26. Marth + Someone else from his game!
  27. Chrom + Robin
  28. Byleth+ Edelgard
  29. Popo + Nana
  30. Olimar + Louie
  31. RC Recruit (Oatchi or Walking)
  32. Shulk + Someone else from his game
  33. Pyra + Mythra
  34. Dog + Duck
  35. Villager + Animal Villager (Diffrent depending on who you chose)
  36. Inkling (Splater Shot/ Splatana)
  37. Wii Fit trainer+ Balance Board
  38. Sonic + Tails
  39. X + Zero
  40. Pacman + The Ghosts
  41. The Human + The FIRST Human
  42. Mii + Paet (Paets are a new creatable charatcer thats an animal)
I wanted to avoid pairing up characters who havent worked together in the past!
The One exception of enemys teaming up is Pacman and the ghosts but they are so cartoony and the 4 main ghosts arent that evil that i decided to pair them up!
 
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Here's my roster; Went for a blend of stance changes and actual character swaps, but I wanted to make sure everyone's alt stance made at least some sense, as well as something that'd make sense for the player to switch back and forth between in universe (so no Pokemon evolutions, for instance). This led to a couple of tough cuts that I couldn't think of anything for.

Characters in bold are either newcomers or would be treated as such.
  1. Mario / Luigi
  2. Peach / Toad
  3. Bowser / Bowser Junior
  4. Yoshi / Birdo
  5. Wario / Waluigi
  6. Donkey Kong / Diddy Kong
  7. Champion Link - stance changer between Master Sword and Sheikah Slate abilities
  8. Toon Link / Tetra
  9. Zelda / Sheik
  10. Ganondorf / Ganon
  11. Samus / Zero Suit Samus
  12. Ridley / Kraid
  13. Kirby / Bandanna Waddle Dee
  14. King Dedede / Meta Knight
  15. Fox / Falco
  16. Pikachu / Eevee
  17. Charizard / Blastoise
  18. Lugia / Ho-Oh
  19. Meloetta - stance changer between Aria and Pirouette forms
  20. Toxtricity - stance changer between Amped and Lowkey form
  21. Ness / Paula
  22. Lucas / Kumatora
  23. Marth / Caeda
  24. Chrom / Robin
  25. Alear - stance changer between two Emblems
  26. Pit / Dark Pit
  27. Olimar / Pikmin
  28. Sonic / Tails
  29. Dr. Eggman - stance changer between Egg Walker and Eggmobile
  30. Villager / Isabelle
  31. Mega Man / Proto Man
  32. X / Zero
  33. Little Mac / Doc Louis
  34. Pac-Man / Blinky
  35. Shulk / Fiora
  36. Rex - stance changer between Pyra and Mythra
  37. Noah / Mio
  38. Ryu / Ken
  39. Cloud / Tifa
  40. Inkling - stance changer between different weapons
  41. Richter / Alucard
  42. Joker / Another Phantom Thief
  43. Steve - stance changer between different weapons/tools
  44. Kazuya - stance changer between regular and Devil forms
  45. Sora / Riku
  46. Master Chief - stance changer between melee/ranged tools
  47. Dante - stance changer between different styles
  48. TF2 team - swapping between two different classes
  49. Sans / Papyrus
  50. Crewmate / Impostor (Among Us)
Honorable mention to Hero and another party member from DQ - In order for this to really work you'd need to stick to one specific game's hero which didn't sound that appealing to me
 
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