Majoras Mask Mafia! DGames' Longest Game Ends - Who Won?!?!?!?

[Raziek]

I'm subscribed to the thread with instant email notifications when there's a new post. I do that for every mafia game I'm in.

 

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Votecount 3.8 - [5/9] - Deadline 2nd November @ 8AM GMT

Raziek [1] - Werekill
th3kuzinator [2] - MOD, MOD
Red Ryu [0]
dabuz [0]
Nabe [0]
Circus [0]
Werekill [4] - Nabe, kuz, Raziek, Inferno
Acrostic [1] - dabuz
Inferno3044 [0]

Not Voting [3] - Circus, Acrostic, RR

 

[Lore]

A guilty sure would make it easy to lynch me, wouldn't it?

Let's also not forget the fact that I think you might easily be indy as well, which don't show up as guilty to me.

You're scummy to me through and through, so I saw no point to an investigation. That's it, plain and simple. I didn't need any guilty to really push you.

 

[Raziek]

Obviously you do, because you already failed once and nobody else believes I'm scum.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Werekill, just dig up the crumbs if you got them, I'm kinda here and there atm.

 

[Raziek]

People need to understand that you can play scummy and not be scum. Nobody plays Brownie Townie every single game. Except maybe Nich.

 

[Inferno3044]

Yeah, but Raziek isn't getting lynched which you didn't put into account. Also you're losing your composure.

@Kuz - my gut says he's probably indy.

 

[Lore]

I'm subscribed to the thread with instant email notifications when there's a new post. I do that for every mafia game I'm in.

That's a ton of ****ing emails.

Obviously you do, because you already failed once and nobody else believes I'm scum.

Well, why don't you just rub it in.

Werekill, just dig up the crumbs if you got them, I'm kinda here and there atm.

Digging now, it's really only one post, even though I refer back to it.

People need to understand that you can play scummy and not be scum. Nobody plays Brownie Townie every single game. Except maybe Nich.

Oh, yeah, you're right. You're also forgetting that your role is scummy as hell by itself without taking into account your play.

Yeah, but Raziek isn't getting lynched which you didn't put into account. Also you're losing your composure.

@Kuz - my gut says he's probably indy.

****ing... I was going to try to continue to convince people tomorrow.

And I'm losing composure because Town is being ****ing played by scum right now.

 

[Raziek]

That's a ton of ****ing emails.

They all get automatically sorted into a folder that I ignore. It's essentially a notification system for me.

Oh, yeah, you're right. You're also forgetting that your role is scummy as hell by itself without taking into account your play.

How many times have we been over why this is wrong?

 

[Dabuz]

Woah, I should be more active, because I come back here and see a werekill wagon? WTF just happened?


Will be reading **** and responding in the next 12 hours.

 

[Lore]

You're being oddly specific here, but I will admit that your thoughts mirror mine.

T-Block was being more than a bit scummy by coasting like crazy and staying in the background all Day, and Xastrn treated him like he didn't exist, which is a bit of a red flag.

That's the conclusion that I came to while I was beboppin' around this thread during the Night and rereading, and it is why I was "lost in thought" today. I already knew that I wasn't crazy for thinking it, but OS here helped prove that I'm not hallucinating the possibility.

So @everyone: Consider T-Block scum, and tell me who you would lynch based on this information.

Here's the first crumb.


Here's where I signaled to Circus to read it.

Also, @Circus: Where are you? On another note, what do you think about my T-Block related idea in my 1614?

Again:

I'm also surprised that you didn't comment more on T-Block. I thought that I had said some decent reasons to reread him in my 1614, but whatever. You just don't seem like the kind of guy to shrug off a possibility like that, ya know?

 

[Lore]

They all get automatically sorted into a folder that I ignore. It's essentially a notification system for me.


How many times have we been over why this is wrong?

Ah, ok.

None where you actually gave me a straight up answer.

Woah, I should be more active, because I come back here and see a werekill wagon? WTF just happened?


Will be reading **** and responding in the next 12 hours.

Deadline is at 1 AM tomorrow. Be more active than during just 12 hours.

 

[Raziek]

Werekill, I answered it at LEAST 4 times. I'll spell it out as clearly as possible.

Race is a central mechanic for this game.

It is HIGHLY LIKELY that there is a scum role that uses race in some way. Xastrn's Hobo role supports this hypothesis, likely working together with a scummates role.

 

[th3kuzinator]

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despite the obvious flailing that response looked so townie

gogdammit

 

[th3kuzinator]

I honestly think Hobo was just a modified stalker. I don't think it has much anything to do with scum harnessing race info.

 

[Raziek]

What's a stalker?

 

[Lore]

Werekill, I answered it at LEAST 4 times. I'll spell it out as clearly as possible.

Race is a central mechanic for this game.

It is HIGHLY LIKELY that there is a scum role that uses race in some way. Xastrn's Hobo role supports this hypothesis, likely working together with a scummates role.

Oh yeah, let's just forget the fact that your role directly counters the census taker. Let's just move on and COMPLETELY ignore that, folks. /sarcasm

I honestly think Hobo was just a modified stalker. I don't think it has much anything to do with scum harnessing race info.

Agreed. It seemed like race was just one of the many things that the hobo could get, which implies that getting race info is not a priority for scum since, otherwise, it would likely give only race or role or something along those lines.

Or at least it seems that way to me.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

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despite the obvious flailing that response looked so townie

gogdammit

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[Dabuz]

less than 12 hours...****. OK, quick, whats the main case on WK?

 

[Lore]

less than 12 hours...****. OK, quick, whats the main case on WK?

Why not look at the main arguments against Raz and Kuz while you're at it.

I'll let someone else summarize the case on me.

 

[Raziek]

Oh yeah, let's just forget the fact that your role directly counters the census taker. Let's just move on and COMPLETELY ignore that, folks. /sarcasm

Counters by doing what, exactly? Potentially messing up the results?

You might have some ground on that if Circus hadn't be forced to claim Day 1.

Nevermind that I can easily let Circus know what my race is and he adjusts the results accordingly by subtracting my race from the census if needed.

 

[Lore]

Counters by doing what, exactly? Potentially messing up the results?

You might have some ground on that if Circus hadn't be forced to claim Day 1.

Nevermind that I can easily let Circus know what my race is and he adjusts the results accordingly by subtracting my race from the census if needed.

By letting you stay as one race then move around, messing up the results. Do I need to ****ing hold your hand here?

And yes, Circus was forced to claim. You're saying here that his claim forced you to do something other than what you were originally planning, yes? That's exactly what both scum and townies would do, so it's not helping you out here.

 

[Lore]

Hell, I'd even argue that Circus's claim gave you a chance to earn more town points by staying the same race and keeping the results stable.

Last computer post for tonight; going to bed, will have iPod.

 

[Raziek]

How is it going to mess up the results if I TELL him?

We'd have a numbers discrepancy otherwise, and excluding the absent T-Block who we presume to be unclassified, there isn't one.

 

[Raziek]

Is there ANY difference in me staying the same race the whole game, and switching race but telling Circus?

 

[Dabuz]

Question to everyone voting WK, what connections do we gain from his lynch?

 

[Raziek]

His cop result on You, T-Block, and a strong indicator on Nabe's alignment.

 

[Raziek]

And indications of those on his wagon, of course, but that goes without saying.

 

[Dabuz]

Gonna be doing train of thought posting style, where I post my thoughts an any interesting posts as I read.

WK's 3035 where he mentions the crumbing looks very legitimate to me, I do remember him bringing up the idea of T-Block being scum that was abducted.

 

[Lore]

How is it going to mess up the results if I TELL him?

We'd have a numbers discrepancy otherwise, and excluding the absent T-Block who we presume to be unclassified, there isn't one.

Why thanks for ignoring the fact that I JUST said that your plan could just as easily be staying the same race so that you gain town cred.

 

[Raziek]

Why thanks for ignoring the fact that I JUST said that your plan could just as easily be staying the same race so that you gain town cred.

Is there ANY difference in me staying the same race the whole game, and switching race but telling Circus?

10characters.

 

[Inferno3044]

Question to everyone voting WK, what connections do we gain from his lynch?

Town WK: T-Block scum, Dabuz town, deeper look into Kuz and/or Nabe. Maybe Raziek as well.

Scum WK: Good chance that Nabe is town meaning Circus town + RR town. T-Block probably not scum or at least not aligned with him.

 

[Lore]

Is there ANY difference in me staying the same race the whole game, and switching race but telling Circus?

Where the **** did this question come from?

The point was that Circus claiming changed your game plan, for better or worse. Besides, either way you put it, you still gain town cred since you're telling our census guy what you were.

In other words, it doesn't matter AT ALL whether you stay the same race or not. Unless, of course, you switch race and don't tell anyone.

 

[Raziek]

So then how is the role anti-Town if I can easily prevent it from being so?

 

[Inferno3044]

Where the **** did this question come from?

The point was that Circus claiming changed your game plan, for better or worse. Besides, either way you put it, you still gain town cred since you're telling our census guy what you were.

In other words, it doesn't matter AT ALL whether you stay the same race or not. Unless, of course, you switch race and don't tell anyone.

You are really reaching on this point.

 

[Lore]

So then how is the role anti-Town if I can easily prevent it from being so?

BECAUSE YOU'RE USING IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN IT IS INTENDED! ****ING DAMNIT, DO I REALLY HAVE TO SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN TURN OFF YOUR SCUMNESS DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE ROLE AT IT'S CORE ISN'T SCUM?

****ing damnit, I've never been this frustrated in a game. Trying to lynch Circus in Bebop came close, but damn. This is a whole 'nother level.

 

[Raziek]

Must.... resist.... urge.... to.... trolll.........

You've still done nothing to prove that the role is scum, since we've already seen other anti-Town roles that were indeed Town. (lovers)

 

[Lore]

You are really reaching on this point.

What the ****. Are you seriously this stupid, or are you faking it?

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO BECAUSE BOTH GIVE TOWN CRED FOR MAKING AN ANTI TOWN ROLE TOWN.

 

[Lore]

Must.... resist.... urge.... to.... trolll.........

You've still done nothing to prove that the role is scum, since we've already seen other anti-Town roles that were indeed Town. (lovers)

Lovers had one town benefit and one scum benefit. You, on the other hand are "stacked" and mostly anti-town. I'm being generous and saying mostly because the deadline extension can go for town or scum.

Also, resisting urge to self vote and leave this ****ing bull**** behind me. Scum just got two good players, and that's that. This game might as well be over since they're just going to tread all over town.

 

[Raziek]

And again, my role has a Town benefit (extension) and a Town Detriment (Half time), on top of an ability that affects both Town and Scum, likely. (Changing Race)