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Majoras Mask Mafia! DGames' Longest Game Ends - Who Won?!?!?!?
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Waitwaitwait. Ryu wasn't bull****ting the daycop claim? Well that's...not at all what I was expecting.
Ryu, nameclaim please.
Werekill, get the hell in here.
Errbody stop voting for Werekill until we get a votecount. We're not hammering anyone yet, regardless of what anyone claims to "know" right now.
In the meantime, catching up.
Frio, IGMEOY so hard.
Ryu, nameclaim please.
Werekill, get the hell in here.
Errbody stop voting for Werekill until we get a votecount. We're not hammering anyone yet, regardless of what anyone claims to "know" right now.
In the meantime, catching up.
Frio, IGMEOY so hard.
#HBC | Red Ryu
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Umm, guess I didn't word that vid right with the spoiler, I was lying to get reads.
I'll talk more in the morning.
I'll talk more in the morning.
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...That's what I thought. I am simultaneously relieved and peeved and kind of impressed.
Although, if you were going to go for this properly, I wish you would have waited for Werekill to actually show up before breaking character. Even if it took him a while.
Although, if you were going to go for this properly, I wish you would have waited for Werekill to actually show up before breaking character. Even if it took him a while.
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He did the day claim wrong. Werekill was under no pressure; to claim that early and not actually be the day cop means that werekill can just say "nope, not mafia" and then we get a coin flip situation that RRyu backs down from. If RR wanted to fakeclaim daycop, he should have waited until the deadline was later to force a claim. I'm totally not against tricking a townie to claim, btw; just not this early when you can't choose who you want to hit with a realistic idea as to why.
In other news, I'm the actual day cop and got a town result on you, Circus. Glad we've cleared that up.
In other news, I'm the actual day cop and got a town result on you, Circus. Glad we've cleared that up.
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Because his claim was shaky at face value. And if he had been telling the truth, then knowing his character may have helped to illuminate the likelihood of him being sane or insane.
Better question: Why would you claim daycop now, when doing so is totally unnecessary and unhelpful?
Another good question: Why would you choose me to investigate? I'm not all that difficult to read.
One more: Why would a daycop use his or her ability immediately when the Day starts? Why not wait and do some general scumhunting before deciding on a target?
Better question: Why would you claim daycop now, when doing so is totally unnecessary and unhelpful?
Another good question: Why would you choose me to investigate? I'm not all that difficult to read.
One more: Why would a daycop use his or her ability immediately when the Day starts? Why not wait and do some general scumhunting before deciding on a target?
T-block
B2B TST
I've played something like 15 games. All of them on SWF.
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vote: Panta
You'll still have to sell me on this fallback lynch structure, because here's what I see: a third of the playerlist or more is newbs, and you've got a reputation as a strong player. You could probably hold quite a bit of influence in town. If town goes along with this and takes your reasoning for truth, what happens?
Moreover, you want the fallback lynch to be decided by one person, rather than collectively. As you said, town does not know another player's alignment. Following this system, newer players especially will not oppose a current choice for fear that he will flip town, as probability would suggest, casting suspicion on them for allowing town to go to a fallback mislynch. They will not oppose a fallback lynch for fear that the fallback will flip scum, as the behaviour that lands them in the fallback lynch position in the first place would suggest, casting suspicion on them for opposing a scum lynch. The chosen "king" chooses a fallback lynch. All it takes is one strong scum player making a case on a weaker town player - it won't be hard, judging from what we've seen in this game already - and all of a sudden we have to put ourselves under suspicion just to broaden the lynch pool to more than two choices? You are nullifying town's advantage of numbers and creating an environment in which scum can easily manipulate town. What are you trying to pull?
And then you go and say anyone who disagrees with your policy will receive your scrutiny. It's intimidation that will be effective on a major chunk of the playerlist. Bring on the scrutiny, I guess.
Regardless, it just so happens I'm completely fine with Panta dying toDay at the moment, and not just as a fallback lynch. 105 makes me nauseous.
You can do it though, Frio! I believe in you
Can I get your reasoning for thinking Panta and spellcasters being scum? If we were to lynch Panta, would a scum flip make you believe more or less strongly in spellcasters being scum? What would a town flip make you think?
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Dislike. Do you have a stance on Panta then? You say you don't like his last post - do you think it's townPanta being inherently scummy again, or is there something to suggest that it's different?
Your reasoning makes no sense. If Panta is town, then anyone who distracts town from other lynches in an attempt to go to the fallback lynch is scummy. If Panta is scum, then anyone who argues against lynching Panta is scummy. Cool. Inactives have always been pressured, and this system does nothing more to force them into action. Fake contributors not taking stances were heavily pressured even without a fallback lynch. So, how does this force scum to play? More specifically, what is it about an organized fallback lynch that forces scum to play, or leave trails, more than usual?If town does not agree on a lynch, Panta will be our "fallback lynch". If anyone disagrees, they need to come up with a better fallback lynch within 24 hours. There will be no distractions as such after 24 hours; now is your chance.
This is advantageous to scum in that if they know that the person we have as our fallback lynch is town, they can deliberately go for a no lynch situation. This will help them get the guaranteed lynch.
This is advantageous to town in that we can decidedly know that, because only scum would know the alignment of someone unless they were investigated or cleared, so anyone going deliberately towards a no lynch situation under the guise of "I don't really like this lynch, let's go after the other guy instead" will be put under heavy scrutiny. Meaning, coasting in this game will be incredibly scummy because not acting or participating is a direct actions towards the lynch of our fallback lynch. For today, that's Panta. For similar reasons, those that do the opposite and rally against killing the fallback lynch are just as scummy, especially if that fallback lynch eventually flips as mafia. This gives scum a game they have to play; because we have a fallback lynch that may or may not be scum, in certain situations they'll be forced to actually "play" or otherwise leave a visible trail. But playing also leaves a visible trail.
You'll still have to sell me on this fallback lynch structure, because here's what I see: a third of the playerlist or more is newbs, and you've got a reputation as a strong player. You could probably hold quite a bit of influence in town. If town goes along with this and takes your reasoning for truth, what happens?
- Those who oppose the current wagon are labelled as scummy
- Those who oppose the fallback lynch are labelled as scummy
Moreover, you want the fallback lynch to be decided by one person, rather than collectively. As you said, town does not know another player's alignment. Following this system, newer players especially will not oppose a current choice for fear that he will flip town, as probability would suggest, casting suspicion on them for allowing town to go to a fallback mislynch. They will not oppose a fallback lynch for fear that the fallback will flip scum, as the behaviour that lands them in the fallback lynch position in the first place would suggest, casting suspicion on them for opposing a scum lynch. The chosen "king" chooses a fallback lynch. All it takes is one strong scum player making a case on a weaker town player - it won't be hard, judging from what we've seen in this game already - and all of a sudden we have to put ourselves under suspicion just to broaden the lynch pool to more than two choices? You are nullifying town's advantage of numbers and creating an environment in which scum can easily manipulate town. What are you trying to pull?
And then you go and say anyone who disagrees with your policy will receive your scrutiny. It's intimidation that will be effective on a major chunk of the playerlist. Bring on the scrutiny, I guess.
Regardless, it just so happens I'm completely fine with Panta dying toDay at the moment, and not just as a fallback lynch. 105 makes me nauseous.
8 pages isn't that much... you can probably expect a lot of reading for this game.
You can do it though, Frio! I believe in you
Can I get your reasoning for thinking Panta and spellcasters being scum? If we were to lynch Panta, would a scum flip make you believe more or less strongly in spellcasters being scum? What would a town flip make you think?
X1-12
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Votecount 1 - [8/15] - Deadline 11th October
Raziek [0]
T-Block [0]
Overswarm [0]
Xastrn [0]
Solid [0]
Panta [2] - Frio, T-Block
Red Ryu [1] - OS
dabuz [1] - J
Nabe [0]
Circus [1] - Dabuz
Werekill [6] - RR, Spellcasters, Nabe, John2k4, Panta, Solid
John2k4 [2] - Circus, Xastrn
spellcasters [0]
J [0]
Frio [0]
Not Voting [2] - Raziek, Werekill
Raziek [0]
T-Block [0]
Overswarm [0]
Xastrn [0]
Solid [0]
Panta [2] - Frio, T-Block
Red Ryu [1] - OS
dabuz [1] - J
Nabe [0]
Circus [1] - Dabuz
Werekill [6] - RR, Spellcasters, Nabe, John2k4, Panta, Solid
John2k4 [2] - Circus, Xastrn
spellcasters [0]
J [0]
Frio [0]
Not Voting [2] - Raziek, Werekill
Xastrn
Dastrn|Xatres
Wow. I have a lot to say, and I've been holding my tongue because I wanted to see the results of the whole werekill daycopped thing, but RR ruined it in several ways.
1. Don't claim day-cop that early. You wouldn't have copped that early in the day. Fakeclaim N0 cop. That was it's a one shot ability, and no one will expect anything from you day 2. Also, it explains why you used it so early. A real day cop would wait for half of D1 to be over so they had an educated guess on who might be scummy.
2. Don't come clean before werekill gets a chance to show up and go "wait nononono i'm not scum" so we can all read him and see if he's being genuine. you backed off way too early. You even asked for someone to put him at L-1 and then backed off before it happened, as if you were afraid of him accidentally being lynched too fast.
My immediate assumption when you claimed day cop was that it was bogus, but I knew I couldn't post anything to the contrary yet, because I wanted to see who was willing to go along with it, and with what amount of gusto. I assumed no strong, well-established players would get on the bandwagon if they were town, which gives me good reads on circus, OS, and J. I assumed noob-scum would be on the wagon, which gives me bad reads on spell, nabe, john, panta and solid. Considering I already had bad reads on spell, and panta, this is making them both look worse and worse in my book.
RR, you were looking town for your fakeclaim until you reversed it. It makes me think you know something the rest of us don't. You may have read Oddworld and remembered Swiss' similar claim. he claimed n0 cop with a guilty on me, and it didn't work, and my hydra's play in that game won the game for town. We even had scum claim a guilty cop read on us and we survived 2 more days to lynch scum back to back for the win in that game. I'm guessing you read that game and wanted to try something similar? Swiss was scum in that game too, if I remember correctly.
IGMEOY.
OS, I like your king idea. I HATE inactivity in mafia games. That's the main reason I joined this one. I've played primarily broom games in the last year, and they are notoriously inactive games. We can get to day 3 and still not have lynched all the inactives. Scum tends to win more games than they should back there. It's boring. I joined in D-Games to get back into a normal-paced mafia game. Your idea pisses on the inactives. And if there's one thing I like doing, it's urinating on anything that's standing still without making a sound.
Panta is a good choice as a backup lynch because he's on many of our scum lists already. I also appreciate that you aren't saying "i'm king for life. i call all the shots" but passing it to another strong player for day 2. Might I suggest that each king nominates the next, so that you have no further control over the process as it runs it's course?
T-Block, while I appreciate what you're going for with your assessment of the "king" mechanic that OS is proposing, I'm sure you can agree that it will keep scum from coasting, right? It's not set in stone. Even OS wouldn't be opposed to switching the vote to a better candidate before falling back if one arose. The point isn't "it's current lynch candidate or fallback, with no other options". It's more of a "we won't be no lynching in this game" so we have a pre-established fall-back if ALL other lynch candidates fall through and it's getting late in the Day.
1. Don't claim day-cop that early. You wouldn't have copped that early in the day. Fakeclaim N0 cop. That was it's a one shot ability, and no one will expect anything from you day 2. Also, it explains why you used it so early. A real day cop would wait for half of D1 to be over so they had an educated guess on who might be scummy.
2. Don't come clean before werekill gets a chance to show up and go "wait nononono i'm not scum" so we can all read him and see if he's being genuine. you backed off way too early. You even asked for someone to put him at L-1 and then backed off before it happened, as if you were afraid of him accidentally being lynched too fast.
My immediate assumption when you claimed day cop was that it was bogus, but I knew I couldn't post anything to the contrary yet, because I wanted to see who was willing to go along with it, and with what amount of gusto. I assumed no strong, well-established players would get on the bandwagon if they were town, which gives me good reads on circus, OS, and J. I assumed noob-scum would be on the wagon, which gives me bad reads on spell, nabe, john, panta and solid. Considering I already had bad reads on spell, and panta, this is making them both look worse and worse in my book.
RR, you were looking town for your fakeclaim until you reversed it. It makes me think you know something the rest of us don't. You may have read Oddworld and remembered Swiss' similar claim. he claimed n0 cop with a guilty on me, and it didn't work, and my hydra's play in that game won the game for town. We even had scum claim a guilty cop read on us and we survived 2 more days to lynch scum back to back for the win in that game. I'm guessing you read that game and wanted to try something similar? Swiss was scum in that game too, if I remember correctly.
IGMEOY.
OS, I like your king idea. I HATE inactivity in mafia games. That's the main reason I joined this one. I've played primarily broom games in the last year, and they are notoriously inactive games. We can get to day 3 and still not have lynched all the inactives. Scum tends to win more games than they should back there. It's boring. I joined in D-Games to get back into a normal-paced mafia game. Your idea pisses on the inactives. And if there's one thing I like doing, it's urinating on anything that's standing still without making a sound.
Panta is a good choice as a backup lynch because he's on many of our scum lists already. I also appreciate that you aren't saying "i'm king for life. i call all the shots" but passing it to another strong player for day 2. Might I suggest that each king nominates the next, so that you have no further control over the process as it runs it's course?
T-Block, while I appreciate what you're going for with your assessment of the "king" mechanic that OS is proposing, I'm sure you can agree that it will keep scum from coasting, right? It's not set in stone. Even OS wouldn't be opposed to switching the vote to a better candidate before falling back if one arose. The point isn't "it's current lynch candidate or fallback, with no other options". It's more of a "we won't be no lynching in this game" so we have a pre-established fall-back if ALL other lynch candidates fall through and it's getting late in the Day.
Xastrn
Dastrn|Xatres
If I remember correctly, Werekill is at a competition this weekend, so it might make sense that he hasn't been around in the last 24 hours.
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So trusting? Nah, I was just looking to see where the wagon went. It turned out basically nowhere because Werekill didn't post and RR said he was fakeclaiming and kind of screwed that up. Besides, you're comparing apples and oranges. Believing a claim and not believing your counting skills are two different things. Main reason I didn't want to believe your count isn't because I believed you'd be 'tricking' me but rather because you could've flat out miscounted. Considering this wagon fizzled out before a Werekill rebuttal, not as much was gained as could have been. I don't understand why RR just backed off while being under no pressure aside from OS' post.
I don't really have a stance on the fallback lynch yet and I've never played a game like that, but Panta lynch toDay is fine so I'll go with it and see how I feel as it plays out.
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People assume Werekill was the person I was trying to read, though I should have kept going to get that read as well. Also I don't know Oddworld, I never read that game.
Now for this I got reads and some direct where to look with the few posts made this game.
Now for this I got reads and some direct where to look with the few posts made this game.
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But going to work, so ya be back tonight and stuff.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
I'm a little put off by you asking if this was okay.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
No, 15-20 at least.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
@J: Compare and contrast 130 (T-block) and 132 (Xastrn). Get back to me.
Man, does anyone remember my cop gambit in Bingo on Gorf/Kuz? So badass.
Man, does anyone remember my cop gambit in Bingo on Gorf/Kuz? So badass.
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Shows that he does not believe Ryu is telling the truth because Werekill is not Spell's scumbuddy and therefore Spell knows Ryu isn't the truth.
Daytalk obviously influenced this because Spell is sticking out like a sore thumb not believing a daycop result.
mhmm. No, you didn't believe it because Were isn't one of your scumbuddies and then your actual scumbuddies nagged you for being so obvious.
Only after the fact. People started to get suspicious and your scumbuddies quickly shuffled you into the backroom so you wouldn't make another scene that was as bad as your first one.
Unvote:
vote: Spellcasters
Ambivalent about Overswarm, especially with this post. He already stated that RVS was Over with his kingmaker situation, yet he goes and says he is the daycop with an innocent on Circus?
He states, in his post addressing my vote on him, that he is unable to control the minds of 15 other people to make them follow him, but that actually does seem like a possibility at the moment. The whole post was condescending towards me because of simple RVS joke that apparently NONE of you got because I am now a scumread for all of you.
I am not going to comment on that actual kingmaker situation since I don't comprehend it completely, but I will say something about the "guranteed back up lynch".
That has been my fate in almost all of my games. Literally. Everyone has a "scum" read on me throughout the first day and then when push comes to shove the scum and town gum everything up and because they have no other "viable" options they lynch me. Anyone opposing my lynch is automatically suspicious and likely scum? Does that make me scum for not wanting my own lynch? You are just playing into the hands of the scum, Overswarm. They can create confusion and indecisiveness in the town and force town to go with their guranteed back up lynch with no risk to them because I am town.
I don't like you trying to direct the town and your daycop post was illthought out if you are the actual daycop. There is one scenario I can think of for you to say that and it gives you town points in my book, but I am having a hard time deciding whether or not that was your actual intent given your other posts.
Is this the type of activity you are trying to promote, Overswarm? Your plan may prevent lurking, but it doesn't stop active lurking.
T-Block's post commenting about the backup lynch is opportunistic in my opinion. (no this is not omgus)
He states that he does not like the whole premise of a backup lynch, but goes on to say that I am a good choice for a lynch anyway. Unless I misread Overswarm's post (entirely possible) I am not supposed to be the primary lynch unless we cannot decide on another person. Tblock looks like he is sitting in the middle of the road on the issue and parking his vote on me for later when he knows that the scumteam can create enough muck to prevent the town from forming a lynch and forcing them to revert to the backup lynch of a townie (me).
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Spellcasters was here and left, I was hoping he had something to say on the subject.
Anyway, someone who's not Panta tell me if he's sincere about suspecting Spellcasters.
J, hurry up and get in here before your response to me would become moot. :V
Anyway, someone who's not Panta tell me if he's sincere about suspecting Spellcasters.
J, hurry up and get in here before your response to me would become moot. :V
Xastrn
Dastrn|Xatres
I don't like this post at all. It seems like scum feeling pressure and trying to throw it onto the next most scummy looking player. Several of us that don't like Panta ALSO don't like spellcasters so he's jumping on spell to try to get things to flow in that direction instead.Shows that he does not believe Ryu is telling the truth because Werekill is not Spell's scumbuddy and therefore Spell knows Ryu isn't the truth.
Daytalk obviously influenced this because Spell is sticking out like a sore thumb not believing a daycop result.
mhmm. No, you didn't believe it because Were isn't one of your scumbuddies and then your actual scumbuddies nagged you for being so obvious.
Only after the fact. People started to get suspicious and your scumbuddies quickly shuffled you into the backroom so you wouldn't make another scene that was as bad as your first one.
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Ambivalent about Overswarm, especially with this post. He already stated that RVS was Over with his kingmaker situation, yet he goes and says he is the daycop with an innocent on Circus?
He states, in his post addressing my vote on him, that he is unable to control the minds of 15 other people to make them follow him, but that actually does seem like a possibility at the moment. The whole post was condescending towards me because of simple RVS joke that apparently NONE of you got because I am now a scumread for all of you.
I am not going to comment on that actual kingmaker situation since I don't comprehend it completely, but I will say something about the "guranteed back up lynch".
That has been my fate in almost all of my games. Literally. Everyone has a "scum" read on me throughout the first day and then when push comes to shove the scum and town gum everything up and because they have no other "viable" options they lynch me. Anyone opposing my lynch is automatically suspicious and likely scum? Does that make me scum for not wanting my own lynch? You are just playing into the hands of the scum, Overswarm. They can create confusion and indecisiveness in the town and force town to go with their guranteed back up lynch with no risk to them because I am town.
I don't like you trying to direct the town and your daycop post was illthought out if you are the actual daycop. There is one scenario I can think of for you to say that and it gives you town points in my book, but I am having a hard time deciding whether or not that was your actual intent given your other posts.
Is this the type of activity you are trying to promote, Overswarm? Your plan may prevent lurking, but it doesn't stop active lurking.
T-Block's post commenting about the backup lynch is opportunistic in my opinion. (no this is not omgus)
He states that he does not like the whole premise of a backup lynch, but goes on to say that I am a good choice for a lynch anyway. Unless I misread Overswarm's post (entirely possible) I am not supposed to be the primary lynch unless we cannot decide on another person. Tblock looks like he is sitting in the middle of the road on the issue and parking his vote on me for later when he knows that the scumteam can create enough muck to prevent the town from forming a lynch and forcing them to revert to the backup lynch of a townie (me).
Then there's the AtE where he says "poor me, everyone piles up on me every game" to get people to feel bad for him, and then he gets super defensive and tries to finger T-Block for disliking him and OS's idea at the same time. (as if that would be impossible.)
Panta, T-Block doesn't like you because you are scummy. that doesn't mean he has to support OS's plan too, just because it happens to be pointing at you right now. He's allowed to disagree with the theory behind the plan while at the same time supporting it's current target as his own.
@Solid: what do you think of RedRyu's gambit? What's your read on RR right now?
@Nabe: same question.
@ everyone: is RR known for ballsy plays Day1? I don't remember ever playing with him before, and don't have a meta on him whatsoever. Someone feed me a little meta on RR.
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You people are too paranoid for your own good.
Where was it stated that people don't like me because I also suspect Spell? Who I have suspected since he failed miserably with regards to Ryu's gambit?
Of course I am going to be ****ing defensive when the entire ****ing town, literally not even 150 pages into the game, has voiced their opinions that I am scum with reasons such as "this feels fake, forced, defensive" with equates to nothing but gut. It is bull.
Where was it stated that people don't like me because I also suspect Spell? Who I have suspected since he failed miserably with regards to Ryu's gambit?
Of course I am going to be ****ing defensive when the entire ****ing town, literally not even 150 pages into the game, has voiced their opinions that I am scum with reasons such as "this feels fake, forced, defensive" with equates to nothing but gut. It is bull.
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I've forgotten how much I love having Dastrn and T-block in games. Seriously. I love you both. You both use inductive reasoning on a categorical terms rather than absolute terms, and use it to just "guide" you instead of determining your action.
I just discovered I died in my other game, so I guess I can stop being so goofy here. Lame.
I just discovered I died in my other game, so I guess I can stop being so goofy here. Lame.
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Please, enlighten me. How do you find scum?
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It's only a trick question if you have to articulate your answer in such a way that it doesn't backfire you later. But you wouldn't need to do that, would you?
How is your answer, by the way, different from what other people have been doing?
T-block
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Wow, get off Overswarm's **** please.
No, I don't see how it stops scum from coasting. It stops scum from fake contributing, which was already heavily scrutinized without this plan. His proposed plan for finding scum relies on scum taking an action - either swaying town from a lynch, or opposing the fallback lynch. How do we deal with inactives? I guess that falls under moving towards the fallback lynch? Are we really going to look at inactives once this plan is in place and say "you're inactive, so you must be trying to force town into going to the fallback lynch" rather than "you're inactive, so you could be scum trying to avoid making connections"? It just doesn't make sense to me.
I hate inactives as well, and I understand that No Lynching is not useful. However, we can deal with that without instituting a system that allows for so much manipulation, especially with so many newer players around.
Xastrn
Dastrn|Xatres
Thanks for a little meta on T-Block. Give me more, I literally had never heard of him until this game.
OS, hold hands?
T-block
B2B TST
No mention of the possibility that Overswarm is scum. Why is Overswarm "playing into the hands of scum" rather than being scum himself? Is there anything to suggest that?
Panta, your past few posts have been very focused on simply discrediting those who find you scum, and this is no different.
Middle of the road? I said I want you not only as a fallback lynch, but as the main lynch. My vote is on you. How is that middle of the road? There is also no contradiction in disliking OS's plan while disliking you. You're trying to create **** out of nothing.
T-block
B2B TST
White is Xatres, orange is Dastrn. Is that how this works?
There's nothing out of character about what RR did. Why so focused on meta, especially second-hand meta?
T-block
B2B TST
Hell no - that's not all you're giving me.
Are you passing off the fallback lynch plan as goofing off then? Do you honestly want town to follow through with this idea? Respond more thoroughly to my 130 please.
I think I'm going to enjoy playing with you too though
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Yeah, Red Ryu does this fairly often. He loves claiming Daycop or Dayvig on Day 1 just for reactions.
I'm a little late due to weekend activities, but the gambit was kinda obvious guys.
Spellcasters pretty obviously new at the game, but no indication of alignment IMO.
Agree that Panta's already created himself a bit of a backdoor. Dislike.
Personal dislike OS's plan. Methods of play where scum can manipulate Town's course of action without having to expose themselves.... I don't like.
On top of that, scrambling for a lynch is not always bad. See MMX Day 1 for a clear example. Circus got caught as scum with his pants down.
Setting up a "fallback lynch" in this sort of fashion is almost never going to actually benefit us. If scum gets it, they just pick a Townie and we're automatically at a disadvantage. IF a Townie gets it, they still have to pick scum.
I remember. *grumble* And pick the two biggests new posts to compare and contrast? ;P But sure because I found something in T-B's that pretty *ahem*.
I did have a stance on Panta within that post and it said I was confused by his slot due to my past experiences with him since I've been in every game he has been in on DGames in some way besides the newest newbie game where he was also lynched D1.
You're being a bit hypocritical with your next question because of your next line. You say you are alright with Panta dying and you make sure to mark it as him dying in general. Yet you say his 105 is nauseous but don't tell us why it is or how it is scummy. But you still try and call me out on "not explaining" well enough on the very same matter.
Can you clear this up? Thanks.
Back to the Compare/Contrast.
Okay well with TB's his attack is a bit out of character for him yet I kindof like it (minus the hypocrisy directed at me). He is attacking OS, of all people, who is knows has a rep for being a really big powerful player which is something I don't think scumTB would do because it's kind of like a suicidal attempt to do as such. Shows town-incentive if ya get what I mean. =P
A thing I like about what he is doing is that he is trying to beat down OS with logic and the fact that he isn't just calling him scum for what he is doing or anything makes me like it more.
Dastrn's post is different from TB's in how it's written up. It's very buddy buddy when it comes to OS and iirc Dastrn also asked for OS's hand when the game started but I'd have to go double check that. Where TB attacks OS, Dastrn buddies. On a comparison note, they both have a similar problem in explaining their reads but Dastrn explains better for some yet has a bigger problem.
TB didn't explain his read on Panta and Dastrn threw out a looooot of reads on quite a lot of people but doesn't explain how they individually landed in those categories. He says it's because it's the way they reacted to RR's gambit but my big problem with that is "Why?". He goes into more reason explaining his IGMEOU then his scum-reads.
Dastrn, I would like to know how you came to those individual bad reads on all those people you named. Also would the fact of knowing that Nabe/Solid are not n00bs change your opinon on how they reacted? If you want bonus points, I'd like to know how you came to find Myself/Circus town by the way we reacted. ^^ I get why for OS but it seems a bit too buddy-buddy for me.
So back to Nabe, the comparison/contrast is this if that's what you wanted. What was it that you wanted me to hurry for though?
RR is actually not known for this type of play to be all honest. o_O It's something I'm not used to seeing but I am still curious about what he found but he said he'll get that later. So far it's null for me.
Xastrn
Dastrn|Xatres
Thus far, I have made all of our posts. (I'm Dastrn). Xatres works weekends and I work weekdays, so I think there's a strong chance that he'll be inactive on weekends while I'll be more active on weekends. I'll still post throughout the week, but I won't have as much free time for analysis and rereads, but then xatres will be off work all week and will have more time.
he's also got a vacation coming up later this week, so he might be v/la for much of Day1.
t-block, I'm not focused on meta. I would, however, feel foolish to ignore it. Not knowing 2/3rds of the players in this game puts me at a knowledge disadvantage. I'm already at a disadvantage on information because of the whole uninformed majority aspect of being town.
furthermore, I like to hear people make posts and give information. I'm tend to read people very well, but they need to be expressing their opinions frequently for me to get to know what to expect from them. half of my purpose is to get info on you, since you seem like a pretty strong player. the other half is to get info on the rest of the players. I want to see who will volunteer info, who will withhold what they know, and see what people say and how they say it.
I tend to always have one super confident read per game that is spot on no matter who believes me. It's because of little questions like that that feed me style info on people.
he's also got a vacation coming up later this week, so he might be v/la for much of Day1.
t-block, I'm not focused on meta. I would, however, feel foolish to ignore it. Not knowing 2/3rds of the players in this game puts me at a knowledge disadvantage. I'm already at a disadvantage on information because of the whole uninformed majority aspect of being town.
furthermore, I like to hear people make posts and give information. I'm tend to read people very well, but they need to be expressing their opinions frequently for me to get to know what to expect from them. half of my purpose is to get info on you, since you seem like a pretty strong player. the other half is to get info on the rest of the players. I want to see who will volunteer info, who will withhold what they know, and see what people say and how they say it.
I tend to always have one super confident read per game that is spot on no matter who believes me. It's because of little questions like that that feed me style info on people.
Okay I knew I wasn't crazy. Why do you keep asking OS to hold your hand so early?
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Do I just not remember RR doing similar things because this is the first one I can recall him doing something like this. o.o
However, that's a good question Raz. Dastrn, you aren't a new player because you were playing even before I was so what is the need to say that like at all?
However, that's a good question Raz. Dastrn, you aren't a new player because you were playing even before I was so what is the need to say that like at all?
So where's your head at now may I ask? You say the Panta lynch is fine so is that your strongest scum-read at this point?