Mafia Royal Sleepover - The Party has been Crashed! Mafia Wins!

[Xivii]

Swiss what the hell -_-.

 

[Swiss]

Why is J voting Gova.

Gone midnight and I'm preppin' for an interview 2mo, but fo' srs LOOK AT J TRY TO WAGON GOVA FOR NO REASON. Kid's going for the easiest lynch every time.

Lynch that kid.

 

[#HBC | J]

If I was going for the easiest lynch, I'd stick to you.

I've also stated as to why I find Gova scummy.

 

[Xivii]

I wouldn't call Gova an easy lynch seeing that no body else wants to lynch him.

 

[Swiss]

And Zen I swear if you haven't made a case on Nabe by the time I wake up I will personally ensure you never enjoy a game of mafia that we're both in ever again. This is not an empty threat.

 

[Swiss]

Safest then.

Dumb lynch.

Whatever you wanna call it, call it scummy.

 

[Xivii]

Circus if Nabe doesn't flip scum, we can lynch Swiss tomorrow.

Cmom cmon cmon. Swiss, vote for Nabe before you go.

Unvote; vote: Nabe

If he flips scum we can lynch J tomorrow. You should realize that if J is scum, Nabe is the only person that can be his scumbuddy. So if you think J is scum you should think Nabe is scum as well and take this lynch.

 

[Xivii]

And Zen I swear if you haven't made a case on Nabe by the time I wake up I will personally ensure you never enjoy a game of mafia that we're both in ever again. This is not an empty threat.

You already do this though.

 

[Circus]

I think Swiss was referring to when J asked me to meta him near the end of D1. Also, with regards to J defending Kuz, do you beleive J is town just because he defended Kuz? What about his logic in determining Kuz's alignment? Do you agree with it and what exactly do you agree/disagree with? Did you read my response to that logic? We had an arguement about it during D2 where I said I didn't beleive he could find Kuz as town based on his logic.

I went back and searched for everything you've referenced here (which I had a devil of a time doing, by the way, since I had to sift through a lot of the OS/Gheb crap), and I can say with some confidence that, yes, I find the way J came to his stance on Kuz's alignment to be believable. In his 635, he states that a large part of the reason he found Kuz town was due to precedent. That's legitimate, as far as I'm concerned. Though I probably wouldn't have been able to come to that conclusion as early as he did because he had played with kuz previously and I never have.

No, J's defense of Kuz is not the only reason I think he's town, though I think it's important to note that I find the way he defended Kuz to be a large factor here—he didn't just say "well, I think he's probably town, let's not lynch him." He made a case for keeping Kuz alive. I know scum like to defend townies to look good, but how likely is it that a mafioso would have defended Kuz to the point of maybe actually saving him when they had the chance to get the doctor lynched on D1? That's a damn good opportunity for the mafia, and I don't see them throwing that away in exchange for some brownie points that J apparently isn't even getting from anyone other than me. In addition to that, I also consider Gheb's persistent stance on him to be suggestive of towniness. It's difficult to explain why, but it just doesn't feel like distancing to me. That, plus J's reads just align so well with mine that it gives me faith in him.

Zen's vote puts Nabe at L-2. I don't want to move my vote to him yet. Still want him to answer my questions.

 

[Circus]

Anyone know how long Nabe's V/LA for?

 

[Xivii]

Erry dei

 

[Circus]

Sir, I did not ask for the days on which he hustles.

 

[Radical Fiction]

WHY IS NABEEEEE SCUM

fo srs

 

[Xivii]

Swiss, why Nabe should be scum to you:

J Scum

Chibo is not his scum buddy, because Chibo is Mason with Glyph.
Glyph is not his scum buddy, because Glyph is Mason with Chibo.
Gova likely isn't J's scum buddy because they have been at each other's throats all game.
Zen cannot be J's scum buddy because Zen is town and he wasn't Gheb's scum buddy.
Circus likely isn't J's scumbuddy because Circus is so willing to defend J. He is not giving up his read on him and I think he would be more distant and less buddy-like with J. Also at the end of d1, J attempted to sway away from the Kuz lynch to a Mentos lynch. I seriously doubt they are scumbuddies from this and based on the buddy-like nature J has been with Circus today.

Nabe is the only one left. Therefore if there are 3 memebers of the mafia then J scum = Nabe scum.

 

[Radical Fiction]

So why not lynch J first?

Because I'm not sold on Zentown by a long mile.

 

[Circus]

So why not lynch J first?

Because I'm not sold on Zentown by a long mile.

Because between you and Nabe, at least one of you has to be scum. I think you should both go before J.

If you aren't sold on Zentown, then you aren't being discerning enough at this point in the game. Especially now that we're getting closer to endgame, we have to find players we can trust. If everyone turns back into legitimate suspects, then this town is ****ed right now.

Which is why it's so lame that Chibo can't/won't post. And it will be super lame when Chibo and Glyph end up being the scum team and we all commit seppuku after this game.

 

[Xivii]

Let's do some more of those.

Chibo, Glyph, and I are town and should be taken so for the rest of the game as I mentioned during twilight yesterday.

So we will work with Swiss, Circus, J, and Gova.

Lime: Could be scum buddies.
Red: Not likely scum buddies.


Swiss scum

Gova: Plausible partners. Very little interaction between them all game.
Circus: Doubt it since Circus is stuck to him like a plasma G.
J: Doubt it since Swiss is stuck to him like a plasma G.
Nabe: Plausible. Being the fact that Swiss hasn't bothered to look into him even though from his pov, Nabe would be the only who could be mafia upon a J mafia flip.

Circus Scum
Swiss: See above.
J: See above.
Gova: Plausible. Actually more plausible than I have been considering. It seems like Gova would be scummy as my shoe to Circus, but he hasn't had much attention this way. Makes me weary.
Nabe: Also plausible Reluctance to vote him. He has a null read on both of these two oddly and feels Gova is scummier than Nabe. He has shown willingness to vote Nabe, but not Gova however. Which adds more to the Circus-Gova possibility, but could be Circus-Nabe as well.

J Scum
Nabe: See above
Swiss: See above.
Circus: See above.
Gova: See above.

Gova Scum
Swiss: See above
Circus: See above.
J: See above.
Nabe: Gova doesn't really have much interaction with anyone except for J. Gheb didn't even interact with him. "J vs Gova is distracting" Nabe said. The only time I think they've spoken to each other is about Nabe's character which was a little odd.

 

[Xivii]

So why not lynch J first?

Because I'm not sold on Zentown by a long mile.

Yes you are. It's good that you are keeping an open mind though.

And I'm not positive on J being Nabe's scumbuddy. I'm more positive on Nabe being scum. Nabe being scum, he could have other scumbuddies. Since you feel J is scum though, then you should be willing to lynch Nabe because a J scum means that Nabe is scum as well.

 

[Xivii]

Actually J probably is his buddy, but still we should lynch Nabe. With Chibo and Glyph's votes going no where else and Gova not voting at all, he is our best bet for lynching.

 

[Xivii]

Oh yeah here is Nabe's:

Swiss
Circus
J
Gova

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Of course you can sell me as scum with everybody, I've barely posted.

In order:

a) Why am I scum?
b) Who's scum when I flip town?

p.s. I'm off v/la but won't be able to post until like midnight or maybe tomorrow even. Deadline is when? Checking that, no worries.

 

[Xivii]

a) Why am I scum?

Because you haven't shown otherwise.

b) Who's scum when I flip town?

lol.

 

[Circus]

Circus Scum
Swiss: See above.
J: See above.
Gova: Plausible. Actually more plausible than I have been considering. It seems like Gova would be scummy as my shoe to Circus, but he hasn't had much attention this way. Makes me weary.
Nabe: Also plausible Reluctance to vote him. He has a null read on both of these two oddly and feels Gova is scummier than Nabe. He has shown willingness to vote Nabe, but not Gova however. Which adds more to the Circus-Gova possibility, but could be Circus-Nabe as well.

Correction here. I wouldn't say I have a null on either Gova or Nabe right now. Gova has been looking townier in my eyes (note: not necessarily town), and I feel like Nabe is scum. I just feel like Swiss is scum so much more, and, as I've expressed before, I don't feel comfortable lynching someone when they can't defend themselves. I'll hammer Nabe to avoid a NL. But I would rather see him come back and post first.

To be clear, Swiss and Nabe are my main suspects right now. It's just that Nabe is more circumstantial and Swiss is more of a direct read.

Oh, and of course Nabe returns just before I post this. Nabe, in the event that you are town, then it's gotta be either Swiss and Gova or Swiss and J. Either way, Swiss is going.

Nabe, is Gova still your prime suspect? If so, who's his buddy? If not, elaborate. Answer whenever you can, but the sooner the better, obviously.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Scratch all that.

Swiss should ISO me.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Zen, don't be dumb on purpose. If I am flipping toDay, which you are currently intent on, who's scum if you assume that I am a mislynch? It's a simple question.


Circus, don't answer Zen's questions for him, thanks.

Gova is scum on gut. If he's not scum then he needs to stop joining mafia games and making one post a week, but that's not the reason for the read, it's just gut and that's gravy. He would have to post for me to make a better case than that.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Nabe you down with the J lynch yeah.

Cool with Zen as his buddy.

 

[Circus]

Gova is scum on gut. If he's not scum then he needs to stop joining mafia games and making one post a week, but that's not the reason for the read, it's just gut and that's gravy. He would have to post for me to make a better case than that.

The hypocrisy. Oh, the unimaginable hypocrisy.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Hypocrisy, sadly, makes a statement no less true. I called v/la, while Gova consistently posts little to nothing in games he's in. That's not a tell though, it's a private complaint and doesn't have anything to do with this game aside from it being extremely unhelpful.

Swiss, I'm not down. Why is Zen J's buddy?

 

[Circus]

It's not that I don't agree with you on Gova's inactivity. But when you ask for people to present a case on someone (in this case, yourself) and then dismiss that question when it's asked of you as "it's a gut feeling," you're basically saying that you don't have to hold yourself to the same standard to which you hold everyone else. You didn't even bother half-assing an answer for who you think Gova's scum buddy might be. You know I was asking you those questions for a reason and you totally blew them off. That is unhelpful.

Hey, Swiss. How come you called out J for hopping on the "easy lynch" by going after Gova, but Nabe doing the same thing doesn't do anything for you?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Circus, I'm going to be lynched toDay. Get on board with The Truth Train.

I would like people to set up a framework for when I flip town, and I would like scum to set themselves up for a bad time by forming... a case of any kind on me. But understand that I don't feel a whole lot of obligation to defend myself or hold myself to a standard.

I do not have any reasoning on Gova aside from gut and uselessness and I never have. I'm not blowing you off, I'm telling it how it is. Saying you want me to half-*** it is saying you want me to make it up as I go and there is nothing. No content to grab hold of. The few posts he's made are clean. There is absolutely nothing else to say on the matter of Gova other than that he's useless.

 

[CT Chia]

Zen, shut up. Then explain how you cannot keep a stance.

I really want to know this as well, was going to say it myself already

Not sure why I said to lynch Nabe when I've yet to see a case on him.

read my posts more geeez, top lynch candidate today imo

Posts like this. J is defending Kuz. Pro-town, right? Nah. This was at a time when J had started taking heat from other players, he needed pro-town points.

I disagree with this
and if he needed some quick townie points, getting them AFTER a day lynch doesn't help like you're alluding to

Claims:

J - Princess Prin Prin, Town Vanilla
Circus - Queen Merelda, Town Vanilla
Glyph - Princess Daisy, Town Mason
Nabe - Queen Bean, Town Vanilla
Gova - Princess Elincia, Town Vanilla
Swiss - Queen Ambie, Town Vanilla
Chibo - Princess Peach, Town Mason
Zen - Princess Deku, Town Vanilla

Jesus christ talk about lazy scum this game, can't even think of quality claims

Same to you. Please humour me and tell me what your reads and the reasonings for them are or at least point me to where they are.

@Circus

I think Swiss was referring to when J asked me to meta him near the end of D1. Also, with regards to J defending Kuz, do you beleive J is town just because he defended Kuz? What about his logic in determining Kuz's alignment? Do you agree with it and what exactly do you agree/disagree with? Did you read my response to that logic? We had an arguement about it during D2 where I said I didn't beleive he could find Kuz as town based on his logic.

I feel like I haven't seen you post in a while and this is all you say?

Let's do some more of those.

Chibo, Glyph, and I are town and should be taken so for the rest of the game as I mentioned during twilight yesterday.

So we will work with Swiss, Circus, J, and Gova.

Lime: Could be scum buddies.
Red: Not likely scum buddies.


Swiss scum

Gova: Plausible partners. Very little interaction between them all game.
Circus: Doubt it since Circus is stuck to him like a plasma G.
J: Doubt it since Swiss is stuck to him like a plasma G.
Nabe: Plausible. Being the fact that Swiss hasn't bothered to look into him even though from his pov, Nabe would be the only who could be mafia upon a J mafia flip.

Circus Scum
Swiss: See above.
J: See above.
Gova: Plausible. Actually more plausible than I have been considering. It seems like Gova would be scummy as my shoe to Circus, but he hasn't had much attention this way. Makes me weary.
Nabe: Also plausible Reluctance to vote him. He has a null read on both of these two oddly and feels Gova is scummier than Nabe. He has shown willingness to vote Nabe, but not Gova however. Which adds more to the Circus-Gova possibility, but could be Circus-Nabe as well.

J Scum
Nabe: See above
Swiss: See above.
Circus: See above.
Gova: See above.

Gova Scum
Swiss: See above
Circus: See above.
J: See above.
Nabe: Gova doesn't really have much interaction with anyone except for J. Gheb didn't even interact with him. "J vs Gova is distracting" Nabe said. The only time I think they've spoken to each other is about Nabe's character which was a little odd.

Why should you be taken as town for the rest of the game?

If Nabe flipped scum first who would you see his scumbuddies as?

Of course you can sell me as scum with everybody, I've barely posted.

In order:

a) Why am I scum?
b) Who's scum when I flip town?

p.s. I'm off v/la but won't be able to post until like midnight or maybe tomorrow even. Deadline is when? Checking that, no worries.

Check my case on you bro

Because you haven't shown otherwise.

Guilty until proven innocent? Poor reasoning.

p.s. I'm off v/la but won't be able to post until like midnight or maybe tomorrow even. Deadline is when? Checking that, no worries.

Hey remember that time you said you couldn't post till midnight or later and then you got mad heat on you and you started posting?

Yea.... so..... why don'tchu tell me about that lol

Classic scum, only stengthening my case furhter


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Zen stop freicken flip flopping

Everyone check my posts and see my case on Nabe

Glyph left with his vote on Nabe so it makes it easier to lynch him (since he can't switch to anyone else)

We use the info from this flip to help find others

This game could be a lot less stressful for everyone if we all just played more.... simply

 

[#HBC | J]

Chibo, who are your scum picks for you personally?

Zen/Nabe as your thoughts on the team?

What are your thoughts on Swiss/Circus?

 

[#HBC | J]

I'll respond to a few things in a sec.

 

[CT Chia]

Nabe is my #1 scum pick

Zen is on my suspect list

Not sure who else to think in terms of teams and what not, I generally don't think of that much unless it's glaringly obvious because I like to see flips first, then re-read some with that fact in mind.

 

[Swiss]

Yes you are. It's good that you are keeping an open mind though.

And I'm not positive on J being Nabe's scumbuddy. I'm more positive on Nabe being scum. Nabe being scum, he could have other scumbuddies. Since you feel J is scum though, then you should be willing to lynch Nabe because a J scum means that Nabe is scum as well.

You are attempting to force my logic and belief based upon your own logic.

Why?

Actually J probably is his buddy, but still we should lynch Nabe. With Chibo and Glyph's votes going no where else and Gova not voting at all, he is our best bet for lynching.

Cool. So you finally admit J is scum. We should lynch him first, he is more of a threat than Nabe if he is scum, which you've just agreed he is. Plus this way prevents ZenScum from getting his own way, yet allows Zentown to get his lynches. Unless you're openly going to play anti-town or back away from your J scum read again, I can't see any reason for you to not vote J.

 

[Gova]

@Circus

Ok, well I know Kuz just as well as J, so what about my logic did you disagree with? Or a better question is, when someone fakes a posting restriction in order to look scummy, what is your first thought on their alignment?

@Zen

Regarding your list, what about plausibility of being Gheb's partner? Or did you do one of those already?

I feel like I haven't seen you post in a while and this is all you say?

Is there something wrong with that post? Is there something you want my thoughts on? If you think I have should have something more to say then there must be something you want my opinion on.

 

[#HBC | J]

If you say you know Kuz as well as you know me then you barely know kuz at all.

 

[Gova]

I mean I know Kuz just as well as you know Kuz, not I know Kuz just as well as you.

 

[#HBC | J]

Gova, vote someone, ANYONE.

I need to see if you can actually vote.

 

[Xivii]

Gova, Swiss: talk to each other.