Xivii
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K so apparently Gheb only had one scumbuddy then Swiss?
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Mafia Royal Sleepover - The Party has been Crashed! Mafia Wins!
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Swiss
Smash Lord
I didn't even come close to implying that.
Xivii
caterpillar feet
Well you are blind to anybody else being scum. All your focus has been on is J. Who is his buddy and why?
Swiss
Smash Lord
No idea.
That's one of the reasons I wanted that case on Nabe ya see.
That's one of the reasons I wanted that case on Nabe ya see.
Swiss
Smash Lord
WIFOM HARD. That's pretty much that entire paragraph.
I wasn't even on Gheb's lynch on D3 AND I even refused to vote him D2 because of my reasons Zen has listed and had me tell him over and over what they were. So again, you haven't read and are trying to grasp at straws.Swiss said:
What? Explainly exactly when you thought this line. I.E. What post of Zen's?Swiss said:
Swiss said:
Hiding in moral high ground? No, that is my opinion and I have said so in other games that I incredibly hate it when someone plays those sorts of cards to try and get someone lynch because it is just dirty play and people have brainwashed themselves into playing a certain way in which it's okay to play slimy when it is not. I don't care what your opinion is on that because I will defend that statement in every game I bring it up in.Swiss said:
Your #818 is a weak post in which you try and act smart to my posts and write one liners to pretty much the entire sum of them. If you can, please go more in depth to the "constant nipping at the heels and edgy play." That conflict doesn't show any reasoning as to why you think I am scum!Swiss said:My #818 http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12142858&postcount=818
Shows more in depth J's constant nipping at the heels and edgy play. Read the conflict between us and you'll see why I think him scum. I can only assume this is the only reason Circus has a town read on J, because he skimmed earlier game. Also he asked someone if they thought he was scum somewhere(appropriate smiley).
Nabe, Chibo. Just do what I say. Please. This game is painful. (That's an AtE J)
You try and belittle Circus even more in this paragraph and what to the last sentence?Nabe, Chibo. Don't do what Swiss says. Please. This game is fun. (I know that's AtE Swiss =P)
Lol
This is it?
That's your case? Kay.
Unvote
Vote: Swiss
I want Gova, toMorrow.
Forgot to respond to one of those posts, but lol since I know I'm town you just outed yourself as scum.
Yea let's lynch Swiss.
Swiss
Smash Lord
As SOON as you see Zen go against me, you jump on me and for some of the most hilariously bad logic I have ever seen.
Get lynched.
Swiss
Smash Lord
I did not laugh at your post, so it wasn't a joke.
Yes..Gheb was your buddy. Anyway I'm playing Gears which is why I'm also RESPONDING VERY SLOWLY ON AIM.
Yes..Gheb was your buddy. Anyway I'm playing Gears which is why I'm also RESPONDING VERY SLOWLY ON AIM.
Swiss
Smash Lord
How is the OS kill malarkie. Could read scum into his wagon on you.
Who the other is has already been discussed... I do not know.
Hence pushing purely for you. Would call Zen as your buddy, but not overly linked to Gheb.
Who the other is has already been discussed... I do not know.
Hence pushing purely for you. Would call Zen as your buddy, but not overly linked to Gheb.
Swiss
Smash Lord
And my sense of humour is ace high.
So you have no clue?
Out of
Chibo - Claimed Mason
Glyph - Claimed Mason
Zen
Circus
Nabe
Gova
You have no clue who else could be scum whatsoever besides me? You have nulls on everyone then? You have no thoughts as to who else could be scum? NONE at all? Alright then, thanks for telling us.
ZEN as my buddy?! LOL Now THAT is a good joke.
The OS kill is malarkie because it is all WIFOM and just trying to grab a reason to call me scum because from what it appears and from what you have shown us, you have nothing. He didn't even have a wagon on me, he had a wagon on Gheb.
Oh good god, this is getting painful to watch.
Out of
Chibo - Claimed Mason
Glyph - Claimed Mason
Zen
Circus
Nabe
Gova
You have no clue who else could be scum whatsoever besides me? You have nulls on everyone then? You have no thoughts as to who else could be scum? NONE at all? Alright then, thanks for telling us.
ZEN as my buddy?! LOL Now THAT is a good joke.
The OS kill is malarkie because it is all WIFOM and just trying to grab a reason to call me scum because from what it appears and from what you have shown us, you have nothing. He didn't even have a wagon on me, he had a wagon on Gheb.
Oh good god, this is getting painful to watch.
Gonna disagree.
Swiss
Smash Lord
LOL forgot there were claimed masons.
wooooooooooooooooow
srs swiss
And Zen because he dropped from pressuring you for no reason. NO REASON MANG.
When did I say I had nulls on everyone else? Just said they weren't scum reads. So scummy it hurts.
wooooooooooooooooow
srs swiss
And Zen because he dropped from pressuring you for no reason. NO REASON MANG.
When did I say I had nulls on everyone else? Just said they weren't scum reads. So scummy it hurts.
Claims:
J - Princess Prin Prin, Town Vanilla
Circus - Queen Merelda, Town Vanilla
Glyph - Princess Daisy, Town Mason
Nabe - Queen Bean, Town Vanilla
Gova - Princess Elincia, Town Vanilla
Swiss - Queen Ambie, Town Vanilla
Chibo - Princess Peach, Town Mason
Zen - Princess Deku, Town Vanilla
J - Princess Prin Prin, Town Vanilla
Circus - Queen Merelda, Town Vanilla
Glyph - Princess Daisy, Town Mason
Nabe - Queen Bean, Town Vanilla
Gova - Princess Elincia, Town Vanilla
Swiss - Queen Ambie, Town Vanilla
Chibo - Princess Peach, Town Mason
Zen - Princess Deku, Town Vanilla
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@Swiss: Couple of things.
One, J began defending Kuz before he claimed doc. That means that, at least at first, scumJ only would have known that Kuz was town, not that he was doc. Significantly less brownie points there.
Two, I'm entirely willing to believe that scum would defend a townie in order to look good. It's classic scum play. I just don't believe that is what happened with J and Kuz when I look at the play myself. You said yourself that this is not a scumtell on it's own, yet it's the only thing you've presented as a clue to J's alignment aside from...I don't know, whatever you mean when you say "edgy play."
It's not that I think it's impossible that scum could defend a townie to look townie themselves. But you seem to completely eliminate the possibility that J could have just felt that Kuz was actually town (even if he wasn't playing well), and then defended him in order to try and move on to a better lynch option. Even townies act towny sometimes, believe it or not. I suppose the reason I'm willing to believe J's motives so much is because I could have seen myself doing the same thing had I been here on D1. Probably not until after he claimed (kind of like how I've pretty much dropped Glyph now that he has claimed), but still.
Also, you yourself claimed to believe that scum (at least one) was on Gheb's wagon on D3. Do you still believe that? Then why are you focusing on J? You, Chibo, Zen and Glyph were the only ones other than Gheb himself who voted for him that Day. Obviously you wouldn't say you're the scum, and Chibo and Glyph are claimed masons. Seems like your choice should have been clear. Why have you been after J this whole time? By now, Zen should practically be confirmed scum to you.
Let's keep in mind the fact that Gheb was basically on J's *** all game. I'd be willing to believe Gheb may have been trying to lightly distance himself from scumJ on D1, but by D2, when he was beginning to get a lot of heat, but not yet the obvious lynch, it is likely that he would have tried deflecting toward a townie to lynch rather than himself. Was he essentially reverse-bussing J on D2, Swiss? And if that's the case, why didn't J bus back?
In regards to J's recent post listing the claims, it's worth remembering that Gheb had a safeclaim (Ruto). So I don't know what we'd be able to learn from that. Still think the claim was useless.
Also still think Swiss has to die.
Also still think that people should play this game.
One, J began defending Kuz before he claimed doc. That means that, at least at first, scumJ only would have known that Kuz was town, not that he was doc. Significantly less brownie points there.
Two, I'm entirely willing to believe that scum would defend a townie in order to look good. It's classic scum play. I just don't believe that is what happened with J and Kuz when I look at the play myself. You said yourself that this is not a scumtell on it's own, yet it's the only thing you've presented as a clue to J's alignment aside from...I don't know, whatever you mean when you say "edgy play."
It's not that I think it's impossible that scum could defend a townie to look townie themselves. But you seem to completely eliminate the possibility that J could have just felt that Kuz was actually town (even if he wasn't playing well), and then defended him in order to try and move on to a better lynch option. Even townies act towny sometimes, believe it or not. I suppose the reason I'm willing to believe J's motives so much is because I could have seen myself doing the same thing had I been here on D1. Probably not until after he claimed (kind of like how I've pretty much dropped Glyph now that he has claimed), but still.
Also, you yourself claimed to believe that scum (at least one) was on Gheb's wagon on D3. Do you still believe that? Then why are you focusing on J? You, Chibo, Zen and Glyph were the only ones other than Gheb himself who voted for him that Day. Obviously you wouldn't say you're the scum, and Chibo and Glyph are claimed masons. Seems like your choice should have been clear. Why have you been after J this whole time? By now, Zen should practically be confirmed scum to you.
Let's keep in mind the fact that Gheb was basically on J's *** all game. I'd be willing to believe Gheb may have been trying to lightly distance himself from scumJ on D1, but by D2, when he was beginning to get a lot of heat, but not yet the obvious lynch, it is likely that he would have tried deflecting toward a townie to lynch rather than himself. Was he essentially reverse-bussing J on D2, Swiss? And if that's the case, why didn't J bus back?
Why is it so impossible to believe that they can pick and choose? Why is it impossible that they could change their play from Day to Day?Swiss said:
Last sentence is confusing for me. Who asked who if who was scum where?Swiss said:My #818 http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12142858&postcount=818
Shows more in depth J's constant nipping at the heels and edgy play. Read the conflict between us and you'll see why I think him scum. I can only assume this is the only reason Circus has a town read on J, because he skimmed earlier game. Also he asked someone if they thought he was scum somewhere
In regards to J's recent post listing the claims, it's worth remembering that Gheb had a safeclaim (Ruto). So I don't know what we'd be able to learn from that. Still think the claim was useless.
Also still think Swiss has to die.
Also still think that people should play this game.
Xivii
caterpillar feet
Circus, J could have not been bussing back for two reasons:
1. J had the less important scum role. Gheb tunneling J would be enough distancing. It wouldn't be necessary for J to push for Gheb's lynch as well especially since it was still possible neither of them could have been lynched. Which is what happened. Had J been on Gheb, Gheb would have been lynched.
2. J and Nabe are scumbuddies. It was called at the beginning of d2 that J, Gheb, and Nabe/Gova were likely the scum team. At this time they would need to do some serious bussing. And so they could have decided to each push for one of the other in sort of a triangle form:
J > Nabe
Nabe > Gheb
Gheb > J
that way they would be all be distancing each other and no matter who died the other two would have been seen as town.
This is why I was so interested in how J dropped off of Nabe completely when he had just been tunneling him to oblivion before Gheb was lynched. After the Gheb lynch, his Nabe suspicions went out the window.
1. J had the less important scum role. Gheb tunneling J would be enough distancing. It wouldn't be necessary for J to push for Gheb's lynch as well especially since it was still possible neither of them could have been lynched. Which is what happened. Had J been on Gheb, Gheb would have been lynched.
2. J and Nabe are scumbuddies. It was called at the beginning of d2 that J, Gheb, and Nabe/Gova were likely the scum team. At this time they would need to do some serious bussing. And so they could have decided to each push for one of the other in sort of a triangle form:
J > Nabe
Nabe > Gheb
Gheb > J
that way they would be all be distancing each other and no matter who died the other two would have been seen as town.
This is why I was so interested in how J dropped off of Nabe completely when he had just been tunneling him to oblivion before Gheb was lynched. After the Gheb lynch, his Nabe suspicions went out the window.
However there are some flaws to your triangle.
Nabe never said J was scum. He actually said my play this game has been indicitive of townJ.
Gheb never said Nabe was scum.
J was on Nabe not Gheb. Though I did call him scum.
So I don't see how that triangle even works.
Your first point does work though.
Zen, I've changed my mind as have you have with me so far toDay. Why did you stop pressuring me?
Swiss/Gova>>Nabe
at the current time.
Nabe never said J was scum. He actually said my play this game has been indicitive of townJ.
Gheb never said Nabe was scum.
J was on Nabe not Gheb. Though I did call him scum.
So I don't see how that triangle even works.
Your first point does work though.
Zen, I've changed my mind as have you have with me so far toDay. Why did you stop pressuring me?
Swiss/Gova>>Nabe
at the current time.
Xivii
caterpillar feet
Dude it's totally a triangle
Each of you attacked the person to the right. If one flipped scum, the other two would be seen as town for either attacking the person who got lynched or being attacked by the person who got lynched.
Ex: Gheb gets lynched. Nabe wanted to lynch Gheb, so he is seen as town. Gheb wanted to lynch you, so you are seen as town.
Code:
Gheb
J NabeEx: Gheb gets lynched. Nabe wanted to lynch Gheb, so he is seen as town. Gheb wanted to lynch you, so you are seen as town.
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This is a fair point for Gheb to bus J. But at the time, Gheb didn't really seem to be in a position to bus, as he was looking like the most likely lynch candidate if there was going to be a lynch. He seemed like he was more in a position to be bussed, which is why I still think it would be weird for J not to bus him if he's scum. I mean, if they were hoping to scrape by with a No Lynch, fine, they did succeed at that. But I would think J still would have pitted himself more squarely against Gheb, even if he didn't vote for him, if the plan was to at least distance themselves.
Actually, Nabe made a point on D2 that J wouldn't be scum if one of OS/Gheb flipped scum, because a scumbuddy would take a side in that situation, whether it be for the sake of bussing or whatever. And I think that's a pretty good point, but it could also be total bull**** if Nabe's scum himself.
Ugh...now I'm hesitating. I kind of want a Nabe lynch, but if he's scum then that might mean a Nabe/J team. And that would mean Swiss is acting like a defensive, incoherent, scummy jerk for no reason.
THIS GAME. MAN.
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I think I still want Swiss. There is no way that his recent play fits with a town alignment in my head. If he's town, then I'm going to eat my ****ing feet off.
But if it weren't for the way he's been acting, I might be looking at a you/Nabe team, J.
I probably need to do some more re-reading, but I'm not up to that right now.
Where is the rest of this town, seriously?
But if it weren't for the way he's been acting, I might be looking at a you/Nabe team, J.
I probably need to do some more re-reading, but I'm not up to that right now.
Where is the rest of this town, seriously?
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Whoops forgot about this game
@mod: Replace out
Sorry guys, I can barely get on to read, much less post
@mod: Replace out
Sorry guys, I can barely get on to read, much less post
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Not comfortable doing that knowing next to nothing about whats going on.
And yeah it sucks having a replacement replace out but life etc.
And yeah it sucks having a replacement replace out but life etc.
Mafia Royal Sleepover
Swiss (3) - Circus, Zen, J
Nabe (2) - Chibo, Glyph,
J (1) - Swiss
Not Voting - Gova Nabe
It takes 5/8 votes for a lynch. Deadline is March 18th, 2010
Currently looking for a replacement
Swiss (3) - Circus, Zen, J
Nabe (2) - Chibo, Glyph,
J (1) - Swiss
Not Voting - Gova Nabe
It takes 5/8 votes for a lynch. Deadline is March 18th, 2010
Currently looking for a replacement
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
Same to you. Please humour me and tell me what your reads and the reasonings for them are or at least point me to where they are.
@Circus
I think Swiss was referring to when J asked me to meta him near the end of D1. Also, with regards to J defending Kuz, do you beleive J is town just because he defended Kuz? What about his logic in determining Kuz's alignment? Do you agree with it and what exactly do you agree/disagree with? Did you read my response to that logic? We had an arguement about it during D2 where I said I didn't beleive he could find Kuz as town based on his logic.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
You're very convincing.