Circus, your entire post is ********.
"Validate this?" I think it's pretty self-explanatory. OS flipped cop, immediately damning Gheb. Scum would have known Gheb was probably done for and would have begun bussing as soon as possible. You were, I believe, the first one to vote Gheb and you had an immediate back and forth with him. This is a little meta, but the time between the posts makes it look almost coordinated. Although you may have hesitated to follow through, because you tried to think of ways Gheb could be innocent for him after you cast the vote. Maybe you were hoping the town would get caught up in wifom and Gheb might be able to wriggle out from the noose under the guise of possibly being another miller.
Looking into the bolded. You said the time inbetween posts makes it look co-ordinated. Why are quick replies in thread indicative of masonries and scum buddies? It's almost as if myself and Gheb were online at the same time. Why have you not drawn the same conclusions from the
hundreds of other quick spats in this game? You said nothing about the content being co-ordinated, merely the timing of the posts.
Then, in this 'co-ordinated' scum strike (3 busses in a row ftw) why would I offer him an out and then he not take it?
Why would I, as his scum buddy, risk my *** giving him an out
after the miller flipped (so the out would have incriminated him, but I don't expect you to realise basic mafia concepts) and then he not take it? This 'out' (regardless that it WASN'T EVEN AN OUT) would surely have been planned outside of thread (as we were both online, as you've so wonderfully proved).
tl;dr Explain why I would initiate half of a ****ing ******** scum gambit on a buddy who's already ****ed.
It pains me to read the rest of your post.
Suffice to say you gloss over what you would have done D1, and simply that you know Kuz is town. This is not what I asked, and your points, though wonderfully worded and presented in a rose smelling charm, have no relevance to anything anyone could in anyway possibly consider to ever be useful.
You say you had "no choice" to believe Kuz was town. But you
also say you had "no idea how the Kuz lynch went through" meaning that, when you read the thread, you could CLEARLY SEE THE TOWN TELLS FROM KUZ. You either did or you didn't. You're clawing at townie points by buddying deadKuz, but when we look at your points, you admit you didn't actually have the town read on Kuz.
Why would you have ignored his lies? Why would scum, when screwed (like Kuz was) NOT claim town's BEST PR in order to bait a CC and kill off a townie? What you say always looks decent Circus, but there's nothing behind it. No content. No reasoning.
Wow.
I did not say anything about "gaining multiple stances." I just think that the Kuz situation bore some interesting reads for me based on the way people reacted. For example, J defended Kuz. One of the few who did, actually. As a result of that, he seems quite town to me. Tangenting from that, certain people (including confirmed scum Gheb) have been on J's case in the past for reasons that they have not even explained (looking at you now) and that seems fishy to me. These kinds of branching relationships are how I form my view of the town. That's all that means.
J was found to be scummy by OS for exactly this reason. Scum love defending townies (ESPECIALLY WHEN THE TOWNIE IS GOING TO DIE ANYWAY). Why put the entire scum team pushing the Kuz lynch when you can put one guy on squeezing town points out of the scenario when Gheb can push the lynch through ANYWAY.
I said it was fine that we quicklynched. I did not say it was beneficial. However, I think the fact that Gheb hammered the way he did may have been more telling than Gheb had initially thought.
It is very easy to see why Gheb could have perceived it to be beneficial to scum. He ended the day quickly, limiting town's time for discussion, and he probably got some scum on his wagon in hopes that that player (or those players) would seem more town as a result. I have said this before. Just because it may be backfiring on the mafia now doesn't mean they didn't think it was a good idea then.
If it wasn't beneficial, it wasn't fine.
Was it Circus?
No, no it wasn't.
Also, why do you think Gheb would conform to the simplest way of self hammering and having his buddies bus him? Especially considering we would look at those on his wagon
more because clearly scum
wanted the quickhammer. You're treating Gheb like he's rookie, predictable scum. He is not.
Whoa. What are you even trying to say here? Stop putting words in my mouth. I have not expressed any interest in ending the day early or quicklynching at all. In fact, the complete opposite is true. Honestly, I don't know how you could have even misread me to such a horrendous degree that you would think this. I said, in the exact post that you quoted, that anyone who wants to end the Day early or is comfortable with throwing away town discussion time because we have a mislynch is NOT playing in a way that is favorable to town. I brought this up because Nabe said he was okay with us hammering him and Chibo said he was fine with today ending now. Whether or not either of them is town, those are not ideas that help town. Let me be clear: I want this Day to last a long time. I do not want to lynch anyone until town has had lots of time to discuss possibilities and explore different avenues of thought. I do not want to quicklynch, because I do not want to mislynch, even if we are still capable of winning if we do. Do not twist my words around like that again.
Amusing.
You dedicate this portion of your 'post' to decry me for OMGUS-ing you and twisting words. However, I made logical inferences from
your words. I welcome you to prove my statements and inferences wrong. But you won't. Because they're not.
The question we now have to ask is, is this a scum tell? The way you reacted says "Hey Swiss, I just cracked under pressure". You cracked, screaming OMGUS at me and this, this is a very nice quote
In conclusion, you are OMGUS-ing me hardcore right now. Is this your way of trying to get me to think you're not scum? Because I'll warn you now that it's not working.
You attempt to dismiss various points against you all as OMGUS. Regardless of whether I'm dismantling you because you tried to pressure me (I am, FYI) do you feel that calling OMGUS on someone diminishes the value of their points? Because it does not. Why should it?
Vote Circus
