Mafia Royal Sleepover - The Party has been Crashed! Mafia Wins!

[Gova]

If we end up lynching him I will certainly not take any connection he left into account because there's no solid logic behind anything he left whatsoever. At least ignoring him wouldn't have sidetracked us like this.

^ Smart bro.

This is what I meant.

 

[Swiss]

Zen you must have forgotten to respond to the post directed at you.

I'd suggest you don't forget again.

 

[Xivii]

Bolded. Like I say. J was going to be investigated. Gheb was a scum PR. This is not difficult stuff. There had to be a reason for him being willing to trade lives. Is Gheb's life worth an inno on J? Nopey doo daah. Is it worth a guilty? Sluppy yuppy!

Zen you've managed to gloss over this and never respond to it. Circus managed to say "omg rb isnt that gd after cop is ded". Can you 1UP him in the abso-****ing-loutely terribly ******** logic department? How can it only be me calling J scum? Y'all dumb as ****.

It's null. Scum wouldn't want the cop alive at all and it should have been fairly obvious to them based on the fact that OS was tunneling Gheb with little evidence at all. You're saying that if you were scum and knew who the cop was, you wouldn't kill him, knowing that there are other PRs in the game such as watcher? You'd be ******** not to. If scum didn't kill OS and chose to roleblock him instead, it's likely OS would have claimed and Gheb would have died anyways, leaving both the watcher and cop alive for the next night with no roleblocker. In any result, Gheb was going to die, so taking OS out was the logical thing to do whether J is scum or not.

I like how you use this as an attack on me.

By 'like', I mean 'openly ridicule'.

I made a multitude of posts and showed reasoning as to why J was scum. You, however, simply dropped him off your radar for reasoning I still cannot comprehend. You hid behind Circus and seem to think that I can be put on the defensive if I somehow forget you're playing in a completely illogical manner.

You don't know what the J scum reasoning is? Go back and read the thread or just assume that it's the same goddamn reasoning you had for calling him scum previously. What happened to that scum read? It vanished as soon as a J lynch really looked feasible. Why?

Ha. Show how J has dropped off my radar. I just told you in my last post that I think scum is between you, J, and Nabe. J hasn't dropped off my reasoning in the slightest. I'm simply not tunneling him as you. If you read, you will notice that my questioning of J hasn't dropped at all.

Please restate your reasoning. I've looked back and it's a blur. It shouldn't be that hard if you actually have any. Stop making this difficult.

This is what I meant.

This still doesn't make any sense.

You're not explaining how this is "bussing".

Zen you must have forgotten to respond to the post directed at you.

I'd suggest you don't forget again.

In class. Didn't even read your posts.

Your Circus post is ridiculous.


OMGUS is a scum tell for you btw. Good ol' Halo taught me that.

 

[Swiss]

You're a ****ing ******.

 

[Rockin]

Mafia Royal Sleepover

Swiss (1) - Circus

Nabe (3) - Zen, Chibo, Glyph

Gova (1) - J

Cirus (1) Swiss

Not Voting - Gova, Swiss, Glyph, Nabe

It takes 5/8 votes for a lynch. Deadline is March 18th, 2010

 

[Xivii]

Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

 

[#HBC | J]

Zeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen

btw, I hate that you can't get on aim. ;_;

 

[Xivii]

Plum better. Can you answer me now _o_

 

[Circus]

Uh, sure?
Chibo/Glyph would be scum partners if one of them were scum, so Swiss wouldn't be scum with them -- 4-man team in a small would be silly. And Swiss confusing Gova for Glyph means he's not scum with Gova, because as Gova's partner he would be very aware that Gova =/= Glyph.

This actually makes complete sense and I feel stupid for making you explain it. Thanks. Who's Swiss' scumbuddy then?

If you still think Gova's the play today, then who's his buddy?

@Swiss: I'm not even doing this quote-for-quote thing with you anymore because it's pointless and distracting. Your last post at me was incredibad. Basically, your arguments about the mafia's motivations for killing OS and finding J scummy can be boiled down to wifom and nulltells. And I don't even really get what you're trying to say with your statements about my view of kuz on D1. I never said that I found kuz's play on D1 to be towny. If I had been here on D1, it's very possible that I might have voted for him at the time. But once he had claimed doc and then was not CC'd, that vote would have come off and I would have been pretty adamantly against the lynch. That's all I was saying. And if you find the answers I give to your questions to be unhelpful or dumb, then maybe you shouldn't ask me dumb, pointless questions.

Your points about Gheb's motivations are dumb too. Basically, you keep saying "Gheb's too smart for that" or "the mafia wouldn't do that." You act as if the fact that I'm even noticing possible scum signals at all proves that they are false. Are the mafia some big, impenetrable wall of mystery and I just don't know it? If that's the case, then what's the point of even playing? Even scum make mistakes and take chances. And they rely on exactly the kind of wifom arguments that you're using in order to get away with most of it.

But you really sealed the lid on your own coffin by voting for me. I can't even believe that you reacted this way after I just called you out for OMGUS-ing me. You're getting ridiculously hyper and defensive over the fact that you have one vote on you (mine). Nabe's at L-2 and even he isn't flipping out the way you are. You're clearly far more interested in self-preservation than helping the town win.

I know Glyph's probably still having comp troubles, but I'd love to read some thoughts from the Chibo/Glyph camp. Chibo how do you feel about the way Swiss is reacting to pressure? Actually, anyone can answer that.

 

[Circus]

Also getting annoyed with J being evasive, even though I still think he's town. Hoping to see a post from him soon that isn't just about Gova being scarce.

 

[#HBC | J]

Also getting annoyed with J being evasive, even though I still think he's town. Hoping to see a post from him soon that isn't just about Gova being scarce.

I'm in the middle of a post right now =<

 

[#HBC | J]

I thought 1690 was rhetorical. Regardless it's my vote and I'm not using it right now so you can deal with it. It honestly doesn't matter when I get on a wagon as long as my reasons for doing so are sound, which goes the same for everyone else.

Rhetorical? I specifically ASKED you to answer it. How in the world is that rhetorical?

WHAT? At the bolded. I mean WHAT. Are you serious?

J, my question was what happened to your strong scum read on Nabe that you were willing to no lynch for d2? You came into this day with no suspicion on him at all, but were just stuck on him all d2.
Saying that Gheb's flipped changed your view would be false because you had them both grouped together as scum.

I was not willing to NL.
I re-read the game and considered some things, Nabe is still really scummy but it's the fact that I am finding Gova even scummier at the current time. I also had a look back at Glyph/X1-12 and I was sure that he was a scum-buddy to Gheb but apparantly that is wrong with the mason claim. Gheb's scum-flip didn't change my view but I need to re-think a view people, plus I need to review my thoughts of this game. I didn't come into the game with no suspicions of him, I wanted to follow Glyph. As I've stated before, Gova/Nabe/Swiss/Glyph were my picks.

Zen/Circus/Chibo are my town reads at the current time. Now with Glyph since he is Chibo's mason partner.

Plum better. Can you answer me now _o_

Idk which color I think goes with the ava better ;_;

 

[#HBC | J]

I could see Swiss being scum Circus, he is not being his normal non-chalant self at all with the fact of trying to lead town and just seems to be trying to scum-hunt but in the end it is coming up short as he hasn't been able to provide any evidence to his claims, especially when it comes to myself. Also, I see where you are coming from with Nabe's relaxed disposition as supposed to Swiss' anxiety.

Circus, can you comment on Gova.

Zen/Chibo/Circus/Glyph - would you be up for lynching Gova? If not, tell me why.

 

[Circus]

Gova's tough for me. As I've said, sparse posting always keeps a player lower on my townie list, but that's by no means an efficient way of actually finding scum. I'm not following the way he's trying to connect Zen to Gheb—not really a scumtell, but it seems weirdly reachy to me. And if it's really based on only one post, then I don't see how he could consider it a strong enough case to make Zen his third in line for lynch.

Also, Gova's flip doesn't interest me too greatly. If he's town, then that's gonna be completely unhelpful. Think we have better targets to aim for at the moment, but the Day is young. Also, you didn't ask me about this, but I'm waffling on Nabe.

 

[Gova]

How do I know? That's the one that is getting the most attention....duh. It's not subjective. Quit trying to put down things. Omg @ the bolded. YES, yes it would. 1,000x YES. You aren't extrapolating on your scum-picks, and you are not voting anyone. Why is Circus probably town to you? And wow the naivety and weak-based reason if THAT is your reasoning. Second bolded line, what? You could be swayed? What is your direct opinion on him? You dodged giving a response on Swiss and said a literal *shrug* and that you could go either way to be swayed.

Just because something has the most attention doesn't mean it's the easiest. In fact I would think it would be harder because everyone will be scrutinizing your actions if you go for the popular things. I don't even recall seeing your reasoning for liking Circus. All you've said is that he's making you doubt your scum read on the slot. J, I hate to break this to you but Mafia isn't a game a black and white. I can be unsure about people because I can see things that make them town but I can also see things that make them scum. Just take for instance the bottom of your post. You say you have a town read on Zen/Chibo/Glyph, so what does that mean for everyone else? Are they all scum? No, that's impossible. Surely you think some are scummier than others, maybe you aren't sure on one of them? Who knows?

Cool skimming bro. If you don't know my stances and think my entire stances are based off of Meta please stop talking. Why do you want to see if anythings changed? What has do you hope to gain from that? Why do you not know my stances which I have stated before? Why can you not go and find them and do it yourself? I'd be glad to give you them if you gave definite reason as to why.

What is this? You can ask me for my stances but I can't ask you for yours? And I'll admit I worded that incorrectly because I meant based in meta. Hur dur because I'm trying to scum hunt that's why I want your stances and reasonings for those stances and to see if they changed any. I'll tell you what, if you ever ask me for my stances agian I will quote them for you. Hell that's why I think Nabe is town now because he showed me his thought process when I was confused on his 180 on Gheb.

 

[#HBC | J]

Also, you didn't ask me about this, but I'm waffling on Nabe.

I agree with you on this sentiment a bit. Especially since I want Gova/Swiss more at the current time.

Grrr you and you making me 180 my view on your slot.

 

[Gova]

Grrr you and you making me 180 my view on your slot.

Like see this is what I mean, why has your opinion on his slot changed? What has he done?

 

[#HBC | J]

Just because something has the most attention doesn't mean it's the easiest. In fact I would think it would be harder because everyone will be scrutinizing your actions if you go for the popular things.

Wrong.

J, I hate to break this to you but Mafia isn't a game a black and white. I can be unsure about people because I can see things that make them town but I can also see things that make them scum. Just take for instance the bottom of your post. You say you have a town read on Zen/Chibo/Glyph, so what does that mean for everyone else? Are they all scum? No, that's impossible. Surely you think some are scummier than others, maybe you aren't sure on one of them? Who knows?

Gova, I hate to break to you but you are not misconstruing what I am saying to add to that false bravado you have in which you think you are right and know better than me. Arrogance annoys me. Therefore am done with this post because it doesn't give me ANYTHING from you besides trying to put down me and not giving any info or doing anything beneficial.

WHY NOT PERSUE YOUR SCUM-PICKS AND GIVE A STRAIGHT ANSWER?

 

[#HBC | J]

Like see this is what I mean, why has your opinion on his slot changed? What has he done?

What has J done that is scum to you concerning his slot?
What has Swiss done that makes you "easy to sway" to seeing him as scum?
What has Zen done to acquire your tell on him?
What has Circus done besides that intro post that shows he is town to you?
What is your opinion on Glyph/X1-12's slot before the claim?
What is your opinion on Chibo's non-existant slot?
What has Nabe done that is scum to you concerning his slot?

Circus has been acting town, persuing who he thinks is scum, actively pointing out fallacies in Swiss' arguements and to me, has been saying the right thing.

Basically the polar OPPOSITE of you.

 

[#HBC | J]

Noted that Gova skipped the first segment of my post.

 

[Xivii]

Gova, ignore J's last posts (I'm glad you're posting J but Gah-Lee) and answer me.

 

[#HBC | J]

Gova, ignore J's last posts (I'm glad you're posting J but Gah-Lee) and answer me.

Why should he ignore me?

Actually you know what, I could care less at this point. It's like talking to a wall.

 

[Gova]

Gova, I hate to break to you but you are not misconstruing what I am saying to add to that false bravado you have in which you think you are right and know better than me. Arrogance annoys me. Therefore am done with this post because it doesn't give me ANYTHING from you besides trying to put down me and not giving any info or doing anything beneficial.

WHY NOT PERSUE YOUR SCUM-PICKS AND GIVE A STRAIGHT ANSWER?

I'm not misconstruing what you're saying. You keep saying I have to take a stance on people when I'm telling you I'm not sure because I could see things that implicate a person either way. I'm not even being arrogant, nor am I putting you down.

What has J done that is scum to you concerning his slot?
What has Swiss done that makes you "easy to sway" to seeing him as scum?
What has Zen done to acquire your tell on him?
What has Circus done besides that intro post that shows he is town to you?
What is your opinion on Glyph/X1-12's slot before the claim?
What is your opinion on Chibo's non-existant slot?
What has Nabe done that is scum to you concerning his slot?

Circus has been acting town, persuing who he thinks is scum, actively pointing out fallacies in Swiss' arguements and to me, has been saying the right thing.

Basically the polar OPPOSITE of you.

Your reactions to peoples accusations and responses make me think you're scum and the fact that you lie. Speaking of lies you still haven't shown where I openly stated that I will only post when someone asks me a question or talking about me.

I have a weak town tell on him for his reaction post to OS' case. And that's what I meant by I could be swayed maybe.
Zen is still town to me, that was in a scenario where you are town/flip town.
Nothing honestly, the reason I think he's town came from Mentos willing to be the D1 lynch.
I was suspicious of him because I felt like he knew too much, and hey turns out I was right as he ended up being the mason.
Uh I don't really. I keep forgetting he's in this game. Might as well be town since he claimed mason.
Nothing, I was just confused by his 180 on Gheb during D2 which he clarified for me toDay. What do you find him scummy for if at all?

 

[Xivii]

J @#1733: I'm absolutely not for lynching Gova today. Swiss or Nabe. I'd rather lynch Swiss now based an his last few posts however. Scum Swiss can't be in lylo. Gova would definitely be a waste to me. Other than his recent attempt at putting me and Gheb together he has made a lot of sense and I'm not sure why you're so oblivious to that.

Unvote; Vote: Swiss

We lynch Swiss today. If he is scum, Nabe or Gova is his buddy. Likely Nabe.

Chibo and Glyph please switch over to Swiss. If you do not, a no lynch is likely to occur as J is likely to tunnel Gova and Gova is likely not to vote at all. You two are essential so please do this.

Possible scum teams from most likely to least likely:

Swiss-Nabe
Swiss-Gova
Nabe-J
Nabe-Gova
Circus-Nabe
Chibo-Glyph

 

[#HBC | J]

I have a weak town tell on him for his reaction post to OS' case. And that's what I meant by I could be swayed maybe.
Zen is still town to me, that was in a scenario where you are town/flip town.
Nothing honestly, the reason I think he's town came from Mentos willing to be the D1 lynch.
I was suspicious of him because I felt like he knew too much, and hey turns out I was right as he ended up being the mason.
Uh I don't really. I keep forgetting he's in this game. Might as well be town since he claimed mason.
Nothing, I was just confused by his 180 on Gheb during D2 which he clarified for me toDay. What do you find him scummy for if at all?

UNVOTE
VOTE: GOVA


Honestly.

 

[Gova]

Noted that Gova skipped the first segment of my post.

Are you serious? Because once agian I assumed the questions are rhetorical. Like my first sentence in this reply its rhetorical. I don't actually expect you to say whether or not you're serious. Besides going into why I thought your questions and whether or not I'm serious is a irrelevent to scum hunting imo unless you can tell me why it would be.

 

[#HBC | J]

Gova, is every question asked towards you rhetorical when you skip them?

 

[Gova]

No, sometimes they just aren't worth answering because I don't see how it helps the person find scum.

 

[Xivii]

J, Swiss. Listen to me dear.

 

[#HBC | J]

So you are admitting to refusing to answer questions asked of you because you don't like them?

Thank you for confessing.

 

[Gova]

Confessing to what?

 

[#HBC | J]

J, Swiss. Listen to me dear.

Whenever I listen to you it's wrong though. /Celebrity mafia /joking

I want Gova dag on it.

 

[#HBC | J]

Confessing to what?

So you are admitting to refusing to answer questions asked of you because you don't like them?

Thank you for confessing.

You must have a REALLY hard time reading.

 

[Xivii]

J, think of this like SC where listening to me was the right thing to do

 

[Gova]

That's no where close to what I said. I said I won't answer them if I don't see the question's relenvance to scum hunting. I.E I won't answer the question "How are you feeling right now?". If you could explain to me why the question is important then I would answer it.

Also, you still have no shown where I openly admitted to only posting when asked questions or when someone talks about me.

 

[#HBC | J]

What? That game you wanted to lynch me because I lied and you thought I was the mafia scum recruiter when I was confirmed by my mason partner.

Ironically, who was Swiss.

 

[#HBC | J]

That's no where close to what I said. I said I won't answer them if I don't see the question's relenvance to scum hunting. I.E I won't answer the question "How are you feeling right now?". If you could explain to me why the question is important then I would answer it.

Also, you still have no shown where I openly admitted to only posting when asked questions or when someone talks about me.

Thanks for admitting you do refuse things to pick and choose what you want.

Srs, lynch Gova.

 

[Xivii]

Guys please stop it haha. J your questions in that post were very rhetoric. You're getting on him for nothing and being way too dramatic with it.

 

[Gova]

I should really just quote myself agian. I am not refusing to answer them if you could explain their relevence to scum hunting. Refusal is kinda just flat out not answering it regardless of anything.

 

[#HBC | J]

Guys please stop it haha. J your questions in that post were very rhetoric. You're getting on him for nothing and being way too dramatic with it.

You're referring to the wrong post.