Mafia Royal Sleepover - The Party has been Crashed! Mafia Wins!

[~ Gheb ~]

Request replacement for Overswarm

He is intentionally breaking rule #1 in this game, despite being called out for it by the mod on D1 already. He has done it again and insist on continuing to do so.

Leave, Overswarm. You're nothing but a nuisance to dGames.

 

[Rockin]

Game is currently frozen.

No posting plz

 

[Rockin]

Mafia Royal Sleepover

J (2) - Gheb, X1-12

Gheb (2) OS, Zen

Not Voting - Mentos, J, Swiss, DH, Gova, Nabe, Chibo

It takes 6/11 to lynch. Deadline is in Feb 25th, 2011

Request replacement for Overswarm

He is intentionally breaking rule #1 in this game, despite being called out for it by the mod on D1 already. He has done it again and insist on continuing to do so.

I have read D2 to current and OS' 970 to current. I do not see no personal insults thrown around. Therefore, he has not broken any rules

The game can resume

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Overswarm ... if you make a case on me, that's one thing. But be aware where the line between being arrogant and being insulting towards others is. Since you didn't even bother to actually reply to the individual points in my response I take it that you've accepted failure. Your "case" is bad.

 

[Overswarm]

So TOUCHY, Gheb.

Can we lynch him now?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Nope, we should rather hunt scum ... just in case you actually know what it is.

inb4yourescum

 

[#HBC | J]

Overswarm, please be quiet, at least for a bit.

Gheb, you need to calm down as well.

I'll be posting in a bit.

 

[Overswarm]

Nope, we should rather hunt scum ... just in case you actually know what it is.

inb4yourescum

I don't have to hunt at the moment, I already found one. :B

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I inb4'd you.

1. Ignore OS
2. Lynch J, Mentos, Nabe in that order
3. ???
4. Profit!

[especially the 1st part will help us a lot]

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm okay with being lynched,

Just let me say some things first if I can.

 

[Xivii]

Ok OS should respond to Gheb. Agree with Gheb on some of the point OS using not very valid.

1. Being that Gheb is the only one that would NK Frozen.
2. Gheb making spiderweb connections. HE was actually questioning (Chibo I think) about the connections he made in that post OS is refering to.

Still think Gheb is scum though. But still OS should respond to Ghebs #982.



Gheb can you clearly explain why you think J is scum again. Like actually post it and not just refer back to your older posts.

Post 390 was the first time I directly mentioned him as part of my lynchpool. That makes the 2nd player out of at least 4 by now [Zen, X1, me, Frozen] who are in favor of his lynch. 517 re-emphasizes this before the general consensus was that J is scum as does 520. In post 749I go into issues with his most recent posts and I think at that point X1 didn't openly suspect him and neither did Overswarm.

The fact that Overswarm only quotes two posts out of that context and makes it look like a bus is just dumb beyond words. All of the above links clearly show that I've given solid, in-depth reasoning as to why J is scum - definitely more than X1 did [which I can live with because he's not being a hypocrite about it] and Overswarm's desperate attempt to lump me with him.

I don't think any of those disprove you as being J's scumbuddy.

#390 s probably the strongest stance, but a little too strong compared to the reads you've been giving on everyone else. You've been defensive-like or more hesitant with everyone else so a strong stance form J's coming out coming out of V/LA seems out of place to me. Also this was after I had already mentioned the same thing and called J scum for it.

#517 doesn't say much, neither does #520 as you avoided directly saying your thoughts on him.

#749 just looks to me like you trying to show consitancy with your view against your scumates opposing view. Like I don't see a problem with J having a town read on Chibo. I did as well for a while.

I think your vote on J today is a bus because you were not pushing for a J lynch yesterday nor did you give reasoning as to why you even have a strong scum read on him. Surely the reasoning above isn't all. The fact that you just came into the day voting him isn't consitent at all with your d1 play where you have been much more reserved with your votes.

After all this talk about lynching J during twilight, as scum you needed to get that vote in early which is why I think it's a bus.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

My reasoning for thinking J is scum has been - and should be - very much clear at this point. How can he think of you as the strongest town read in the game and not even take note of the fact that Chibo has tunneled you all of yesterDay? That's what we call "selective reading", probably to buddy both sides of that argument. I don't think I've seen a post where he actually tries to logically explain how this conflict between you and Chibo doesn't contradict his own stances, despite more than one call-out from my side.

In fact, I actually explained on Gova's request why Chibo's play is closer to his scum play than his town meta [which is why I still went with the Chibo lynch at first], which should make pretty clear why I'm not OK with J trying to play the peace bringer in that scenario.

I don't see how this is not enough to push for the lynch from my POV. That play is definitely manipulative and it benefits more himself than the rest of the town [especially in the long run upon one of the involved player's flip]. If that is supposed to be a bus then you still owe me a good explanation on how OS weak attempt to lump me with J and X1's lack of explanation at all [when his push came a lot later than mine] are any better. I'd say out of Zen, X1, OS and me X1 is the most likely player to bus him because he has offered the least reasoning, was the latest to join yesterDay and has been more vocal about another lynch [kuz] than the rest of us.

My two main suspects at the end of D1 were Chibo and J ... that can not be missed if you have read things that happened shortly before the hammer and in twilight.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Also, nothing you, X1 or OS have posted "disproves" you as J's scumbuddy either. The implication that I'm proven to be J's scumbuddy reminds me of your D1 where we had "evidence" that DH is scum and Frozen was "mod confirmed" scum and you've been largely wrong.

Not to mention that J is not proven scum to begin with. But his evasive play early D1, his unconstructive "come-back" and his attempts to selectively buddy people later during D1 convince me that he is more concerned with himself looking pro-town [and leaving unexplained contradictions in the process] than he actually is.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

*Sigh* It's 1am here and I'm too tired to make sense BUT

X1, I'd really like to know your reasoning for voting J now and why you were OK with him being vigged but did not support Zen's and my cases on him later on D1. The lynch would've been possible yesterDay.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I just read through the social thread here and read old posts by Macman, Xiivi, Frozen, Ronike et al about how longass cases are scummy and responses should be listened to a lot more and should be gone more into depth. If only ...

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Don't like how OS is calling me null. Don't like Gheb being demeaning. Some of the attitudes from both players are looking scummy; I don't have a great handle on scumGheb, but Gheb's attitude seems very similar to a townFF. Gova is town. Zen's 988 is ehh.

X1, respond to my 953. Particularly, why (yesterDay) was I scum with Kuz?

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm okay with being lynched,

Just let me say some things first if I can.

I recant this. I am not okay with being lynched because it is stupid.

Can't post tonight and won't be tomorrow so expect something from me by tuesday.

If someone wants to make a case because no one has brought one up yet then i'd be glad to destroy it when I get back.

 

[#HBC | J]

Vote: Nabe

I'm comfortable with my vote here before I make a post.

 

[Overswarm]

Gheb is the play for today, do not deviate.

 

[#HBC | J]

How about I do what I think is best an actually scum-hunt to look at someone who is actually doing scummy things instead of following a case that is strongly based off of WIFOM regarding the NK and conjecture?

Nabe is a where my vote will be.

 

[Overswarm]

Bus your scummate, J.

 

[#HBC | J]

What are you blithering on about?

Oh right your measely attempt at a "case" (using the term loosely) that cracks the entire scum-team based off of fallicies, baseless conjecture, WIFOM, lies, spider-webbing, and other just blatantly wrongness.

Do you wish for me to destroy your work as well because that would be fun. In fact, I'm gonna grind into that piece of "work" as well.

Have you met Nicholas in here? You two have a similar tunneliness.

One thing I wanna point out, Gova agrees with the entire post by OS besides the fact he called him scum. Why?

 

[Overswarm]

I would like you to tackle it J, yes. Do that ASAP.

 

[#HBC | J]

Alright, it'll be a good laugh.

 

[Gova]

One thing I wanna point out, Gova agrees with the entire post by OS besides the fact he called him scum. Why?

You should point this out actually. Considering all I said was that his "case" was interesting and asked him a few questions about it. Is the post you said you were gonna make in twilight going to be included in this upcoming post that you mentioned or is just the same one?

 

[#HBC | J]

Yes and more hopefully, however, will you ever take a direct stance on me and quit tip-toeing around the subject?

Also you only said it was interesting/questioned it because he ASKED you to, no?

 

[Overswarm]

While you are at it J, please mention why you're talking about allowing yourself to be lynched and whatnot. Day just started.

 

[Gova]

I was going to respond to it regardless if he had asked me to or not.

 

[Xivii]

Gova aren't you supposed to be town this game? ehg.

J seriously what is up with you man.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

What strange personalities in this game. Should I develop an annoying quirk while we're at it?

J playing like Bear and Fish and I'd be comfortable with a lynch in that direction.

 

[#HBC | J]

@Zen: I'm finally getting into this game. Elaborate on what you mean though.

@OS: Sure princess.

@Gova: Why? You dodged taking a stance on me again.

@Nabe: Bandwagoner and faulty reasoning. Why not show the class what you have to share regarding why this is similar to my B&F play. Die as well.

 

[#HBC | J]

Zen/Gheb/X1-12, where is ya'lls individual cases on me which you said you would provide reasoning to toDay and nothing has been shown from you guys.

Zen, again, if it is based off meta again, I will openly mock you like in SC but do not take it personally like last time.

 

[Xivii]

Unvote; vote: J

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Dat NK aggro pull as Miller.

I did my job.

Go town! =D

 

[X1-12]

What strange personalities in this game. Should I develop an annoying quirk while we're at it?

J playing like Bear and Fish and I'd be comfortable with a lynch in that direction.

Become a sexual deviant.

 

[CT Chia]

OS, I read your massive 970 like twice, and while I basically get everything you're saying, can you also somewhat give a more concise version? I keep feeling like by the time I get to the bottom of it I forget the earlier stuff lol

After that I can give a more appropriate reply. I just want to make sure my mind isn't in the wrong place.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You know what's funny?

ESPECIALLY post Gheb flip, and upon Zen's flip Gheb would get to be huffy and say "I told you so" (he loves doing that).

Overswarm is deliberately lying. Lynch all liars? I say no but by your infallible logic you should lead a lynch against yourself asap.
Now that I pointed out your phony and obvious double-standards [which everybody else seemed to miss, sadly - are you even reading, guys?] can we finally agree to ignore Overswarm until a cop determines if he's scum or just dumb [heavily leaning the latter; townOverswarm plays scummy a lot].

An awake-state addendum to my posts from yesterday if you like. Gonna read through the latest posts though.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Vote: Nabe

I'm comfortable with my vote here before I make a post.

J playing like Bear and Fish and I'd be comfortable with a lynch in that direction.

Alright, this is what I think a bus looks like [especially @ Zen]. Remind me again, when have J and Nabe been all over each other yesterDay? I don't think they've ever been so why are they now so OK with each other's lynch? Because J / Nabe team has been mentioned a couple of time? Because J lynch is inevitable and it's time for his scumbuddy to hop on?

Nabe, why is J suddenly a good lynch to you? Based on a meta-tell of a game which - as far as I can see - was pretty much screwed? Or because you realize that there's nobody to save your scumbuddy?

J, show me when you became suspect of Nabe. If you weren't clearly suspect of him yesterDay and vocal about him being scum then a bus is the only logical conclusion in that scenario.

Zen/Gheb/X1-12, where is ya'lls individual cases on me which you said you would provide reasoning to toDay and nothing has been shown from you guys.

Skim moar.

OS, I read your massive 970 like twice, and while I basically get everything you're saying, can you also somewhat give a more concise version? I keep feeling like by the time I get to the bottom of it I forget the earlier stuff lol

After that I can give a more appropriate reply. I just want to make sure my mind isn't in the wrong place.

And this is why large cases are anti-town and should be avoided at all cost. Not only was it an unnecessary pain in the *** to respond to but it's also hard to follow for anybody who is not directly involved. That misleads lazy townies to place their vote on where it does not belong, gives scum a good opportunity to sheep [just like J did above when he arbitrarily placed my in his scum pool] and the townies who actually care about reading it are left unable to actually work with it.

Also, I'd like to point out that OS ignored to debunk my response despite requests from players not involved in the case. I'd also like to heavily re-stress that major parts of his case [the NK of frozen, my stance towards kuz, zen and J as well as my general attitude towards mafia as a townie] are either highly subjective interpretations or misconstructions [note how he only responds to individual quotes of his choosing; while I had to put them into the correct context in my response to show how he's wrong].

 

[~ Gheb ~]

X1, care to respond to recent stuff? Untypical for you to be quiet in such a situation. Not the townX1 I've seen in youtube memes.

 

[#HBC | J]

Gheb, now who's skimming? I suspected Nabe long ago in my big post. Also what case? Are you seriously talking about that one post?