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Mafia Royal Sleepover - The Party has been Crashed! Mafia Wins!
- Thread starter Rockin
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X1-12
Smash Champion
J, Nabe likely scum. Am open to the idea of Ghebscum and Mentosscum
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
Do I get a go town post?
Idc. go town!
Idc. go town!
In mafia games you're typically wrong so I could care less what you think. Just because you think you've got **** figured out [which in 90% of the cases you're wrong about] doesn't mean you can nudge me and think to get a telling reaction from that. Safe that for newbie games.
The play is between J, Mentos and Nabe ... if the game isn't won by then it's either Swiss or MAYBE X1. Chibo's mason partner does not claim toDay unless he's being lynched.
Also Chibo, don't tunnel Zen like a ****** for the rest of the game and don't expect your imaginary lylo meta to give you a free ride plz. I don't trust you and your claim yet so you better be more constructive than yesterDay.
Where's Swiss on your list? I know you know him better than most of us. Are you open to Swissscum too?
X1-12
Smash Champion
Yes, I keep forgetting he is in this game though
Overswarm
is laughing at you
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Listen up, I make a lot of conjecture in this post. A lot of thinking AHEAD.
Gheb is the play toDay, and future discussions depend on his flip (which will be scum!)
Btw, first point of evidence? Frozen Flame died N1.
2. Gova
3. J
4. Zεη
5. X1-12
6. frozenflame751
7. Gheb_01
8. Overswarm
9. mentosman8
10. ChiboSempai
11. adumbrodeus Swiss
12. DarkHorse
13. Tom Nabe
People that would kill FF N1 in this game:
OS, Gheb, Swiss
Oops. Haha running jokes are cool. :B
"But FF is a good player!"
To those that know him. Most of the players here haven't played much of a game with him, and what WE would be scared of is FF at LYLO. At the end game where there aren't as many pieces, he's good at rearranging them and is one of the few players that is actually willing to reread an entire game.
To everyone else? He's ONE of the good players... with 19 posts. Hardly the player to really change the flow of the game. With so many roles claimed, it is unlikely a FF night kill would be determined by anyone other than the three I listed above. I'm town. You're scum. Believe Swiss is town.
That's mostly conjecture after the fact, I made the post below before the Day phase happened and didn't know FF's flip. Just confirms my suspicions.
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This caught my attention, since it says this:
Scumkuz flip -> scumZen = False
Townkuz flip = ????
Scumkuz flip = soft pressure zen
Gheb's no schmuck, but this is about as subtle as a bag of bricks.
Gheb knew Kuz's alignment prior to Kuz's flip and set up that to NOT lead to Zen.... by being the person to bring it to everyone's attention.
Really?
Gheb deliberately protects Zen in such a way that they are connected while simultaneously bringing attention to Zen, increasing chances of his lynch. ESPECIALLY post Gheb flip, and upon Zen's flip Gheb would get to be huffy and say "I told you so" (he loves doing that).
Red flag! Gheb again indicates that he knows Kuz's alignment. Why would you NOT lynch all liars? That is the very foundation of strong town play. You catch someone lying, they are scum, you lynch them. It's the only way to do more than guess with reads.
I really like this style of questioning, @X1.
Gheb = scum
X1 = ?
Zen = Town
OS = Town (cuz I'm me and killing Gheb now)
Gova = ?
X1 or Gova is likely scum in this "viable lynch" group, if Gheb includes scum. So, I single them out for later and make a note to watch further interactions. Gova comes up as being the scum pick from this group later.
Mentos = ?
Except more likely town, cuz I don't think a scum member would say "OH, AND ALSO MY SCUMMATE" in a multipost. Maybe he did, I dunno, just seems unlikely.
J is about as subtle as Gheb.
That seems important post-Gheb flip. Initial reaction =
Zen = Town
Gova = Scum or a very cleverly positioned false lead
In that order (although J/Gova are close)
Gheb is the ring leader, J and Gova are lackies. Gova's playing well (more on this later) so I'm not entirely sure on him, but J's actions very much seem as if someone else is telling him what to do and J hasn't taken his acting classes yet.
Their night kill, a claimed power role, and Gova. Gova just keeps coming up for some reason.
Chibo = Town
Gova = Scum
Look, all of Gheb's reasoning here is pretty shallow, but acceptable for a townie. DH made it easy to do so with some piss poor performance. I suggest everyone read his play in FF6 Mafia as Cyan, Town Roleblocker. It mimics this entirely. Dark Horse is just an easy target, and Gheb is going for it.
Let's keep attention on this in the future.
Now here's a disconnect I noticed though: Gheb has argued vehemently against me and everyone else about a Kuz lynch, despite all of us having pretty much the same reasoning.... then says "Kuz can die"? None of this makes sense unless Gheb knew his alignment in advance.
For srs?
Gheb is piggybacking on the mob's hate of Kuz's play, not his own reasoning. He feels it is safe because Kuz is playing awful.
<3 FF
RIP
J's being the opposite of Gheb throughout the day. Take note.
Except no one is listening to J and J doesn't say anything but "Don't do it". No reasoning, nothing at all. Just... "don't do it".
His urge to vote mentos confuses me, but I ultimately assign town points to Mentos. There's no way a lynch on mentos would occur at the moment, so it could be safe distancing from scum, but I just get the feeling that that is not the case. This is merely a hunch, consider it as such.
I'm the most townie ever! Look at how town I am! I know this guy's gonna flip doc, so BAM motha ****er! Standing my ground against the tide!
Except town wouldn't do that. Town would say "Whoa, what the ****, Kuz is playing like ****. vote kuz".
Which they did.
What did he expect all this to accomplish as town?
"OS - town
Gheb - town
Kuz - town (for his claim only)
DH - town (for his claim only)
Zen - town, moving him up because I agree with his stance of FF"
omg omg omg omgo mgo mgomogmogmogmogmomgomgomgomogmgomgomogmogmogmogmgomgomogmgomgomogomg
If Gheb = scum.
Then Gova limited our search!
"Swiss - null
Nabe -null, right now anyways.
J - I didn't really like the way he came into the game after being V/LA. Like someone pointed out earlier he just came in and asked others to ask him questions and it felt to me like he was trying to make some people look bad when they just ignored him. I thought he would be scum if Kuz is because of his defence of Kuz saying he was bad at D1 play but that fell through now that he has claimed Doc. I guess he's null to me for now.
Chibo - I could possibly see being scum. Zen asking for Kuz to name claim wasn't scummy, at least to me it wasn't but the motives for asking weren't clear and so it was a great chance to determine Zen's alignment off it but it got muddled by his I think his 109. I can't see any reason for Zen to be scum other than that and so I feel like he was just trying to get Zen lynched because it was easy to.
X1 - I get the feeling he knows more that he should. He called Kuz out as being town earlier and it just made me uneasy. The flip flop with Kuz doesn't really help either.
FF - From his posts, I get the feeling he is more focused on defending himself than he is with scum hunting. I get the feeling he knew Zen's alignment before hand and I didn't like the way he tried to make it look like Zen was faking a posting restriction.
Mentos - The same reasons I decided to stay on Kuz after voting him in RVS, I can't tell what he thinks about anyone."
Most important post in the game if Gheb flips scum. More important if Gova flips scum.
This seems to directly attack J... but everyone else is wishy washy. Except X1, which I'm actually semi-convinced by and will be looking at X1 more.
But this lines up with previous reads I had throughout the day and fits with J's constant mentioning of Gova.
Gheb foiled by J foiled by Gova?
Seems too good to be true, so it gives me pause... but Gheb dies toDay and we'll get more information by tomorrow.
I get the feeling Gova is scum based off of J's play assuming a J scumflip, but Gova is actually playing very well as scum if he is. Completely unsure.
This confused me, because I didn't make any info available to mafia. I used basic logic. You can go back and read the exchange if you want.
This fits with J not being subtle, but this is just crazy.
Through my re-read, it's basically
Gheb scum
If Gheb Scum = J scum
If J scum = Gova scum
Ultimately my list is as thus:
2. Gova
3. J
4. Zεη
5. X1-12
6. frozenflame751 (confirmed via mod)
7. Gheb_01
8. Overswarm
9. mentosman8
10. ChiboSempai
11. Swiss
12. DarkHorse
13. Nabe
I'd also like to note the Tom/Nabe slot is a complete mystery to me.
unvote
vote: Gheb
Gheb is the play toDay.
Gheb is the play toDay, and future discussions depend on his flip (which will be scum!)
Btw, first point of evidence? Frozen Flame died N1.
2. Gova
3. J
4. Zεη
5. X1-12
6. frozenflame751
7. Gheb_01
8. Overswarm
9. mentosman8
10. ChiboSempai
11. adumbrodeus Swiss
12. DarkHorse
13. Tom Nabe
People that would kill FF N1 in this game:
OS, Gheb, Swiss
Oops. Haha running jokes are cool. :B
"But FF is a good player!"
To those that know him. Most of the players here haven't played much of a game with him, and what WE would be scared of is FF at LYLO. At the end game where there aren't as many pieces, he's good at rearranging them and is one of the few players that is actually willing to reread an entire game.
To everyone else? He's ONE of the good players... with 19 posts. Hardly the player to really change the flow of the game. With so many roles claimed, it is unlikely a FF night kill would be determined by anyone other than the three I listed above. I'm town. You're scum. Believe Swiss is town.
That's mostly conjecture after the fact, I made the post below before the Day phase happened and didn't know FF's flip. Just confirms my suspicions.
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Well that's interesting. Gheb's making spiderwebs that lead nowhere.Hmmm, I will definitely not be on when deadline hits. ScumKuz flip leading to scumZen sounds extremely knee-jerky and needs to be looked into deeper than that but I guess it's a lead.
Would like to know what townKuz flip will give us too.
This caught my attention, since it says this:
Scumkuz flip -> scumZen = False
Townkuz flip = ????
Scumkuz flip = soft pressure zen
Gheb's no schmuck, but this is about as subtle as a bag of bricks.
Gheb knew Kuz's alignment prior to Kuz's flip and set up that to NOT lead to Zen.... by being the person to bring it to everyone's attention.
Really?
Gheb deliberately protects Zen in such a way that they are connected while simultaneously bringing attention to Zen, increasing chances of his lynch. ESPECIALLY post Gheb flip, and upon Zen's flip Gheb would get to be huffy and say "I told you so" (he loves doing that).
Well this is kind of a solid post... that again distances from Zen. Gheb had this planned for a while, it seems.It seems that recently people have come to think that assuming an erratic, guru-like play style is pro-town because it confuses people and "demasks" more genuine emotions. X1 did it in Youtube Memes but I don't think it's effective...it worked this one time because Kuz was a new player then but now it's just annoying and won't help anyone. Actually, it takes really little commitment and is completely impossible to work with later in the game so I'm going to treat Zen's play as null - there's no commitment in his game but no gain either.
It doesn't make sense for town to play.
But it sure as hell doesn't make sense for scum to play either.
People should ignore it. I mean I do understand Tom when he complains about Zen speaking for him. Tom has always been his own character so it doesn't surprise me. I still feel the need to stay that making something useless the center of our talk will not yield useful results either.
If you keep on feeding him with responses you will give him the feeling that he's successful. If you want to stop that, stop giving responses. It will amount the same in the end.
To be honest, I don't think I've actually gained a legit read out of these interactions. I have some vague reads but they are coming from somewhere else and I hope all this talk abound Zen will not subdue other avenues of discussion.
To be fair? My posts for most of this Day were pressuring a Townie that was lying.Overswarm, please stop posting. Your last couple of posts are a complete eyesore and nothing but a caricature of scumhunting.
Nope
Red flag! Gheb again indicates that he knows Kuz's alignment. Why would you NOT lynch all liars? That is the very foundation of strong town play. You catch someone lying, they are scum, you lynch them. It's the only way to do more than guess with reads.
For those that haven't been scum often, the best way to be "pro town" is to tell truths and half-truths that people can't actually agree with. This is fluff, plain and simple.No, it's not. It's just a Metaphor.
A guru is not only somebody who's in possession of wisdom and knowledge but also somebody who appears to be on a "higher level" to the point where people fail to understand him and have to draw their own conclusion from erratic utterances - if you like, you can compare it to Rafiki, from the Lion King. He's highly regarded for his wisom and knowledge but oftentimes people have no idea what he's trying to get at and if he ever bothers to explain you wouldn't get much out of that either. Whether you realize it or not [I believe you do] that's exactly the image you have invoked. In fact, I'm not even the only who thinks so because mentos agreed with my stance on your play way earlier in the game and the terminology didn't seem bother him at all. On the contrary, if you look at his latest posts he seems to agree. So you can't just say that I'm wrong and leave it at that.
This is an aside-
I really like this style of questioning, @X1.
Post Gheb scum flip:I think everybody except me, Zen, X1, Gova and OS is a viable lynch atm =/
Gheb = scum
X1 = ?
Zen = Town
OS = Town (cuz I'm me and killing Gheb now)
Gova = ?
X1 or Gova is likely scum in this "viable lynch" group, if Gheb includes scum. So, I single them out for later and make a note to watch further interactions. Gova comes up as being the scum pick from this group later.
Oh, and mentos.*ebwop*
And mentos
Mentos = ?
Except more likely town, cuz I don't think a scum member would say "OH, AND ALSO MY SCUMMATE" in a multipost. Maybe he did, I dunno, just seems unlikely.
J's red flag.
J is about as subtle as Gheb.
Whoa, Zen again? That's weird. I got a red flag from J after singling in on Gheb who was bringing attention to Zen, then J comes in out of nowhere and says "I LIKE ZEN" and then votes for Gova out of ****ing nowhere?
That seems important post-Gheb flip. Initial reaction =
Zen = Town
Gova = Scum or a very cleverly positioned false lead
I feel like scum is currently: Gheb, J, Gova
In that order (although J/Gova are close)
Gheb is the ring leader, J and Gova are lackies. Gova's playing well (more on this later) so I'm not entirely sure on him, but J's actions very much seem as if someone else is telling him what to do and J hasn't taken his acting classes yet.
Their night kill, a claimed power role, and Gova. Gova just keeps coming up for some reason.
lol @ pairings.
Chibo = Town
Gova = Scum
Gheb's pushing DH hard. I bet he goes for a DH lynch today, amirite?I can't help but think you are scum. You say he "forced" you to claim which is already false because nobody would feel forced to claim at -4. Why didn't you check the votecount before you actually claimed to see if he's telling the truth or not? Why a townie would just claim right away to clear himself before considering the circumstances is beyond me,
And really, the fact that you messed up your name claim doesn't help you. Not only did you fail to check the vote count but you also failed to check your own role PM? These are like the most fundamental things regarding a claim and you failed to do both correctly?
Look, all of Gheb's reasoning here is pretty shallow, but acceptable for a townie. DH made it easy to do so with some piss poor performance. I suggest everyone read his play in FF6 Mafia as Cyan, Town Roleblocker. It mimics this entirely. Dark Horse is just an easy target, and Gheb is going for it.
Let's keep attention on this in the future.
This post confused me for a while, until I realized Zen was just an easy Town target. This is the fluff he posted before, just with Zen's name in it. I liked this post from scum, so GJ @ Gheb. Good distancing from Zen; were you setting him up to be the fall guy after the eventual death of a scum member?Zen, I just like to remind you that your play has accomplished absolutely nothing, just as I predicted at the beginning of the day. You have done nothing that gives you the right to point your finger at others.
Ignoring him would've been the way to go. Now we have to deal with WIFOM muck and highly questionable connections regardless of his flip. If we end up lynching him I will certainly not take any connection he left into account because there's no solid logic behind anything he left whatsoever. At least ignoring him wouldn't have sidetracked us like this.
Null, but laughed because being a hawkeye on the timer is generally considered a scum tell. XD
Zen agaaaaaaaaain.Being caught faking a posting restriction means nothing to me. It's not some BS like UTD has pulled of in Discworld and there's no potential harm in it whatsoever. I've stated before that kuz can die [in my "phenomenal" post] though.
Chibo, one huge problem I have with you isn't that Zen is your main target ... it's that you appear to be completely blinded to everything else. I have no idea what you think about anybody EXCEPT Zen - if you were to die the only thing I'd learn is that you've tunneled Zen, Zen and Zen again all day. You only made 1 post about J on request and it's telling is virtually nothing.
Now here's a disconnect I noticed though: Gheb has argued vehemently against me and everyone else about a Kuz lynch, despite all of us having pretty much the same reasoning.... then says "Kuz can die"? None of this makes sense unless Gheb knew his alignment in advance.
Here it is again! This is in response to kuz saying "lynching me before I claim is a mistake".Based on how you've played this game so far that's kind of hard for me to believe.
<3
For srs?
Gheb is piggybacking on the mob's hate of Kuz's play, not his own reasoning. He feels it is safe because Kuz is playing awful.
I had this and a few others of FF posted to give town points to FF, but he's dead now so I'm deleting most of them.
<3 FF
RIP
This doesn't have much to do with my read, I just lawled at Gheb kicking Kuz when he's down. This is just Gheb continuing to push for a Kuz lynch.Kuz, I can still not follow your logic and you made no attempts to help it in regards to the Chibo / Mentos issue. This solidifies the idea that you're being very inconsistent - not just in your personal playstyle but in the way you're trying to convince us of what is best in your eyes. I mean, how do you expect us to follow your read on mentos when you can't even show us any concrete arguments?
The fact that you're not backing up these claims leads me to believe that you're not actually as convinced as you should be and that you're just looking for a way out of the mess you've left.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand here's the foil.
J's being the opposite of Gheb throughout the day. Take note.
Such conviction!
Except no one is listening to J and J doesn't say anything but "Don't do it". No reasoning, nothing at all. Just... "don't do it".
His urge to vote mentos confuses me, but I ultimately assign town points to Mentos. There's no way a lynch on mentos would occur at the moment, so it could be safe distancing from scum, but I just get the feeling that that is not the case. This is merely a hunch, consider it as such.
GRRRRRR!
I'm the most townie ever! Look at how town I am! I know this guy's gonna flip doc, so BAM motha ****er! Standing my ground against the tide!
Except town wouldn't do that. Town would say "Whoa, what the ****, Kuz is playing like ****. vote kuz".
Which they did.
*drops more bags of rocks and rings more bells*
What did he expect all this to accomplish as town?
Yesssssssssss
"OS - town
Gheb - town
Kuz - town (for his claim only)
DH - town (for his claim only)
Zen - town, moving him up because I agree with his stance of FF"
omg omg omg omgo mgo mgomogmogmogmogmomgomgomgomogmgomgomogmogmogmogmgomgomogmgomgomogomg
If Gheb = scum.
Then Gova limited our search!
"Swiss - null
Nabe -null, right now anyways.
J - I didn't really like the way he came into the game after being V/LA. Like someone pointed out earlier he just came in and asked others to ask him questions and it felt to me like he was trying to make some people look bad when they just ignored him. I thought he would be scum if Kuz is because of his defence of Kuz saying he was bad at D1 play but that fell through now that he has claimed Doc. I guess he's null to me for now.
Chibo - I could possibly see being scum. Zen asking for Kuz to name claim wasn't scummy, at least to me it wasn't but the motives for asking weren't clear and so it was a great chance to determine Zen's alignment off it but it got muddled by his I think his 109. I can't see any reason for Zen to be scum other than that and so I feel like he was just trying to get Zen lynched because it was easy to.
X1 - I get the feeling he knows more that he should. He called Kuz out as being town earlier and it just made me uneasy. The flip flop with Kuz doesn't really help either.
FF - From his posts, I get the feeling he is more focused on defending himself than he is with scum hunting. I get the feeling he knew Zen's alignment before hand and I didn't like the way he tried to make it look like Zen was faking a posting restriction.
Mentos - The same reasons I decided to stay on Kuz after voting him in RVS, I can't tell what he thinks about anyone."
Most important post in the game if Gheb flips scum. More important if Gova flips scum.
This seems to directly attack J... but everyone else is wishy washy. Except X1, which I'm actually semi-convinced by and will be looking at X1 more.
But this lines up with previous reads I had throughout the day and fits with J's constant mentioning of Gova.
Gheb foiled by J foiled by Gova?
Seems too good to be true, so it gives me pause... but Gheb dies toDay and we'll get more information by tomorrow.
Votes townie. Noted.
Seems null. Gova is either town or playing well as scum.
I get the feeling Gova is scum based off of J's play assuming a J scumflip, but Gova is actually playing very well as scum if he is. Completely unsure.
Back to gheb.FoS Overswarm
Stop trying to make info available for the mafia they shouldn't have. They know already way more than they should know.
This confused me, because I didn't make any info available to mafia. I used basic logic. You can go back and read the exchange if you want.
Because town has a lot of newer players and few mid level players, and most don't like to go back and reread the entire game. Some won't even go through 24 pages like me to read through the first Day! :Blol Overswarm your post totally makes no sense to me. How can I not be in favor of lynching somebody without a claim? SWF mafia relies way too much on claims and power roles - why else do you think scum has had such enormous winning streaks?
I'm taking note of this. I didn't pay enough attention to Mentos, who J keeps mentioning. Mentos could be cleared or damned based on J's statements but I don't know enough. Just mentioning there is a J/Mentos connection.
I feel a bus coming on.Eh, I think J is scummy regardless of kuz' flip and how do you get townKuz = Scumtosman?
Totally agreed @J but I think it's already worth noting how he failed to logically compromise townZen and townChibo in his analysis, which doesn't make sense to me [and still nobody has explained].
Unvote Vote Kuz
*narrows eyes*
This fits with J not being subtle, but this is just crazy.
There's the bus!Vote J
Through my re-read, it's basically
Gheb scum
If Gheb Scum = J scum
If J scum = Gova scum
Ultimately my list is as thus:
2. Gova
3. J
4. Zεη
5. X1-12
6. frozenflame751 (confirmed via mod)
7. Gheb_01
8. Overswarm
9. mentosman8
10. ChiboSempai
11. Swiss
12. DarkHorse
13. Nabe
I'd also like to note the Tom/Nabe slot is a complete mystery to me.
unvote
vote: Gheb
Gheb is the play toDay.
Swiss
Smash Lord
Skimmed.
OS, if we were to lynch Gheb and he flipped town, would you lynch J regardless?
New laptop is being delivered tuesday, I have limited time online 'till then. No lynches without me.
OS, if we were to lynch Gheb and he flipped town, would you lynch J regardless?
New laptop is being delivered tuesday, I have limited time online 'till then. No lynches without me.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
I thought it was interesting actually. I didn't notice that Gheb and J were acting as juxtapositions to each other. My question though is, are the flip implications only linear? Like for example could J -> Me, Gheb, Me -> Gheb, J, Gheb -> J, Me? Because if it is linear are you're setting town up for at least 1 mislynch. This is all going on the fact that Gheb is scum it seems like, but what if Gheb/J/ gets lynched today and is town? What happens to your plan then?
Also, you said Gheb outed his scummates I think? I didn't quite see where that was in your post. Could you single it out for me?
The first line is very true.
The second line was taken out of context. Zen thought I was scum and J was just just reaffirming Zen's stances. That's how I saw it anyways.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
That's because I'm not scum, so I removed it.
Xivii
caterpillar feet
OS I didn't know you could actually be right ^o^
Doesn't matter who is lynched out of J, Nabe, and Gheb.
Uh I guess we can do Gheb first since the other two aren't as active and Gheb actually has a case on him.
Vote: Gheb
Doesn't matter who is lynched out of J, Nabe, and Gheb.
Uh I guess we can do Gheb first since the other two aren't as active and Gheb actually has a case on him.
Vote: Gheb
Xivii
caterpillar feet
Gova, when did I ever think you were scum?
I don't even want to look at that or respond to that. That's just the dumbest, most braindead, misleading, idiotic, pathetic, most typical for you post that you could've made.
"FF got killed so Gheb is scum".
Are you seriously going to argue that? The fact that you already argue for what reason Frozen was killed [who said it has anything to do with being an outstanding player? It could've been his lack of connections among other things] shows that you have no idea and as usual you pretend to know things you don't.
You're only impressing yourself with that. You've been wrong so many times with meta data and embarrassing attempts to break games that one should think that you would've learned from it by now. I don't mind if you continue to be bad at this game but I do mind that you've shown no attempts for improvement whatsoever and talk as if you knew ****. It's no coincidence that games like Bioware were effectively won after you got killed because before that you were doing a good job ruining it. And that's what you're doing right now with awful reasoning.
No, I'm just trying to actually play this game instead of playing by the mechanics like a ******. Since when is asking for connections and leads shortly before the night phase "making spiderwebs that lead nowhere"? Not only are you completely wrong on this but you've also completely misconstrued the point because I'm not trying to solidify a point but I actually question it.
You confuse me with yourself, Overswarm. You're the one who makes fake spiderweb. I merely question the people I feel who do that.
Who the **** are you arrogant douchebag to spread lies about what I love doing? I am one of the player who hates stuff like "I told you so"'s and I will almost always be after the people who only slightly show any such attitude. If you put words in my mouth then at least be correct about it or back it up, you hypocrite.
And the rest of that is just a conspiracy theory. I haven't actually started to get a town read on Zen waaaaaaaaaaay later into the game around the time when the decision was between Chibo and Kuz. This is evident to anybody who reads the thread. If you make outrageous claims like that I've "deliberately protected" him then ****ing back it up and show in what way it is scummy before you make a point about it.
Cool story, bro.
And this is why you're a bad player. Because you have no willingness to compromise and stick to ******** principles that any experienced mafia player will tell you is not an absolute. There are numerous examples of lying having major pro-town outcomes. Why don't you ask mentos about Omni's fantastic lie in the original FFVII mafia that prevented the mafia from making a juicy NK all game. That's some of the smartest manipulation of a townie and it was a flat-out lie.
You also put reading people and guessing on a same level which is just a flat-out insult to anybody who understands the concept of scumhunting. I have lynched so much scum COMPLETELY on reads with no guessing in it whatsoever and I sure as hell not gonna take it if you call the way I pinned all scumbags in Pokemafia, your scumbuddy SRB in community and NUMEROUS other scumbags pure guessing.
Just because finding scum is a guessing game to you doesn't mean that it is for everybody else.
Also you subtly try to justify your stance on Kuz [which is proven wrong] by emphasize this point again and use it against me.
Get over it: YOU WERE WRONG
Except that I never ****ing ever post fluff and I would've not made this post had Zen not particularly asked about it. And the first sentence is wrong on so many levels...
Alright let's look at this.
You try to justify lynching kuz all day based on a completely unimportant matter, a "lie" as you blatantly exaggerated it and now you still try to act as if you saved the whole universe with your whole logic, while in actuality it simply became obvious that you haven't done **** for the town so far.
And then you are the one to call me out for using shallow reasoning? That alone is a capital, regal joke but then you also question my reasoning for being suspect of DH? Because not only did he fail to make the correct claim but also did so in a very hastily manner without actually checking the vote count?
I'm pretty sure even DH himself would admit that based on that it's justified to be wary of his claim.
More like, I just re-emphasized the one point I was right about since the beginning of this game [u jelly?]. Zen was - in terms of scumhunting - very much useless [no offense] as he's evidently been wrong on 2/3 of his suspects.
Also why would I distance myself from him? I've announced at least time that Zen is a town-read for me so I'm doing quite the opposite of distancing myself from him. Good job not understanding ****.
A good player would've considered the how and the why at this point and not've seen this issue in black and white.
There's a difference between:
"Overswarm, your reasoning for voting Kuz is ********"
and
"I don't think we should lynch Kuz".
And if you're claiming that I have argued against kuz and his lynch then you're lying because I did not protest against him being in people's lynchpool but I questioned the reasons. Maybe that's why you think hunting scum is a guessing game.
If I remember correctly, you were trying to get Chibo's mason partner to claim, no? Yeah, that's making info available for the mafia they shouldn't have at that point.
[qoute]There's the bus![/QUOTE]
Oh, you're so smart.
No wait, you aren't.
Had you actually re-read the game as you so braggily claimed you would've realized that I was probably the first player in the whole game to voice legitimate suspicion on him. So tell me again, how is what I do "bussing" and what X1 and Zen do scum hunting? [It's a rhetorical question; I know the answer - it's because you only see what you want to see].
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Also Gova or Nabe simply need to claim Mason.
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Gheb I actually didn't haha. But it looked long and thought out.
It doesn't really matter how OS came to the conclusion because you're scum any way.
I mean just look at your play from today. You started out with a J push from no where.
And then put blame on me for the two town deaths and then asked me for new reads when I've been saying all through twilight that J and Nabe are scum and that Frozen maybe was. Your post was so planned out.
It doesn't really matter how OS came to the conclusion because you're scum any way.
I mean just look at your play from today. You started out with a J push from no where.
And then put blame on me for the two town deaths and then asked me for new reads when I've been saying all through twilight that J and Nabe are scum and that Frozen maybe was. Your post was so planned out.
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You needed to get that J bus in. And you needed to find blame on the two town deaths. Neither of which I'm responsible for. Yet you chose me.
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Also Gova/Nabe don't really need to claim until we get to them I guess. But it would determine which is the last scum.
1.) I've been likely the first player to voice issues with J and the first to openly call him scum on D1
2.) I didn't blame you for anything. I dropped the ****ing hammer on kuz. I'm the last player to blame anybody
3.) His post is long but it's not thought out. It's highly selective. You better read it + the response to see what I mean.
Overswarm, you can go suck a ****. Your "case" on me contained at least one personal insult against my person. If it makes you feel happy: yes, you did hit a nerve because you blatantly undermined the autonomy of my thought process. If that's the way you hunt scum then I suggest you to get the hell out of dGames and never come back here again.
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Will read his case and your defense later.
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"Zen, both of your main suspects are dead and both flipped town. New reads please."
It's not direct, but it's indirectly trying to put me out there. Kuz wasn't even a main suspect for me. I only didn't like him when he wasn't posting and had pretty much dropped him after his catch up post. Frozen yeah. But it made no sense for you to post this. I had given my reads in twilight (J-Nabe). Yet you're trying to make it out that I was stuck on Kuz-Frozen.
It's not direct, but it's indirectly trying to put me out there. Kuz wasn't even a main suspect for me. I only didn't like him when he wasn't posting and had pretty much dropped him after his catch up post. Frozen yeah. But it made no sense for you to post this. I had given my reads in twilight (J-Nabe). Yet you're trying to make it out that I was stuck on Kuz-Frozen.
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Also I don't recal you being likely the first to express dislike of J.
Post 390 was the first time I directly mentioned him as part of my lynchpool. That makes the 2nd player out of at least 4 by now [Zen, X1, me, Frozen] who are in favor of his lynch. 517 re-emphasizes this before the general consensus was that J is scum as does 520. In post 749I go into issues with his most recent posts and I think at that point X1 didn't openly suspect him and neither did Overswarm.
The fact that Overswarm only quotes two posts out of that context and makes it look like a bus is just dumb beyond words. All of the above links clearly show that I've given solid, in-depth reasoning as to why J is scum - definitely more than X1 did [which I can live with because he's not being a hypocrite about it] and Overswarm's desperate attempt to lump me with him.
The fact that Overswarm only quotes two posts out of that context and makes it look like a bus is just dumb beyond words. All of the above links clearly show that I've given solid, in-depth reasoning as to why J is scum - definitely more than X1 did [which I can live with because he's not being a hypocrite about it] and Overswarm's desperate attempt to lump me with him.
Also, I did not "put you out" with that post any further than asking to step your reads up [which I hope you can see where I'm coming from? I think the accusation is justified]. If you think I blame you for something then that's your personal interpretation of something I didn't actually say.
OK [and agreed] @ the J / Nabe connection taking more priority to you. You really weren't as much behind the kuz lynch as I thought [quite the opposite actually].
OK [and agreed] @ the J / Nabe connection taking more priority to you. You really weren't as much behind the kuz lynch as I thought [quite the opposite actually].