Mafia Royal Sleepover - The Party has been Crashed! Mafia Wins!

[Swiss]

You forgot to shut up and vote Kuz.

 

[Xivii]

2. Gova
3. J
4. Zεη
5. X1-12
6. frozenflame751
7. Gheb_01
8. Overswarm
9. mentosman8
10. ChiboSempai
11. adumbrodeus
12. DarkHorse (for now because of his claim)
13. Tom

Something along those lines. Maybe okay with J toDay as well. Him or the three red players.

I agree with this so much. Except Siwss should be yellow.

Unvote; vote: Mentos

Would prefer Frozen over Mentos. But I'd take any of those in the red and J.

Swiss, read Kuz' #573. Clearly you missed it.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

What's your actual opinion of Zen's alignment? Explicitly state it.

Why is FF suspicious for knowing Zen was faking the restriction? Apart from the fact I also knew he was ("notes as I go"), what could this even mean? Posting restrictions are not unique to town or scum, yet the only way this could make sense as a legitimate scum tell (i.e. FF be regarded as suspicious) is if they were scum together, explaining the knowledge between each other. Yet you don't have a scum read on Zen (or do you? You directly implied you don't). Also, a quick explanation as to why you didn't simply assume he was observant would be recommended.

Zen's null-to-town. Like I said, parroting your reads 100% atm.

I didn't like the faking-the-restriction thing because it looked like FF trying to be oddly discrediting. Like I said, minor niggle, it wasn't "hey I caught FF as scum GG". I have a habit of reading scum into everything FF posts.

Who replaced Tom?

Hey.

@ Nabe/J: Top scum picks if kuz comes up scum? And top picks if he flips town?

Chibo if Kuz is scum, Mentos and FF if he's town since his town flip doesn't influence anything lol.

IMO whoever Peach is should character claim. Just got a feeling that it's important info.

 

[Swiss]

Why would a PR (which he has claimed to have) fake a POSTING RESTRICTION which DIRECTLY IMPLIES that there is something counteracting it. At best scum would have thought he was indie and could easily have assumed that he has a power role and so was deliberately acting scummy - thus making him MORE of a night kill target.

Tl;dr Kuz faked a posting restriction when he has a town PR? No. He is not afraid of being NK'd. Thus he is scum or BP.

This is why we're lynching Kuz.

Zen, read.

Kuz, explain.

 

[X1-12]

Also, X1, in response to your nitpicking. I had received a vm by slhoka about that claim. I knee something was wrong, as the name did not remind me of the mod.

Scummy way DH defends himself, he could have easily pointed out that he received a VM, but he's also got to describe what I'm saying as "nitpicking", he has a legitimate reason to defend himself but also has to discredit my attack like that too?

Aren't you sweet! Riding high on your claim now, huh?

Typing it up as we speak

<3

scummy underhand is scummy

Lynching me before I claim would be a mistake. Frozen, you are playing really weird this game. We have 4 days anyway

I have this appointment in the city I cannot miss but I should be back tonight at around 8:30 PM EST. Will start working on the post then so the content should be here late tonight.

<3

*Oh **** I'm going to die lets drop a massive hint that I have a PR!!* - Did Swiss teach you that?

K

Unvote Vote Bed

Put your vote on him.

I can make us friends. If not, then lynch me toMorrow.

K?

Unvote
Vote: th3kuzinator

I want a kuz claim

 

[X1-12]

Is the following point weak? yes, but when kuz is scum he sounds far more intelligent in his posts (i.e his wording)

 

[th3kuzinator]

That was some of the worst reasoning (if any was even present) to join a wagon I have seen yet. X1 hungry for PR claims.

@Swiss 604, What more do you want me to say? You're wrong. Why would I purposefully type out that "mwahahahah" post in asterisk and then include them in every one after, get OS to start pursuing me and then remove them again if I was actually trying to pull off a posting restriction. I knew most people would be under the opinion that having a posting restriction does not determine alignment, but lying about one does. I purposefully broke a regularity to keep myself shadowed in doubt and thus a possible wifom target for scum later Days.

 

[CT Chia]

~Responding to prod

was away for a tourney since friday, forgot to let ppl know, will be caught up soon

 

[th3kuzinator]

Oh, so that vote is actually based off of scumKuz meta where I write intelligently? Derp.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Kuz, I can still not follow your logic and you made no attempts to help it in regards to the Chibo / Mentos issue. This solidifies the idea that you're being very inconsistent - not just in your personal playstyle but in the way you're trying to convince us of what is best in your eyes. I mean, how do you expect us to follow your read on mentos when you can't even show us any concrete arguments?

The fact that you're not backing up these claims leads me to believe that you're not actually as convinced as you should be and that you're just looking for a way out of the mess you've left.

 

[Swiss]

That was some of the worst reasoning (if any was even present) to join a wagon I have seen yet. X1 hungry for PR claims.

@Swiss 604, What more do you want me to say? You're wrong. Why would I purposefully type out that "mwahahahah" post in asterisk and then include them in every one after, get OS to start pursuing me and then remove them again if I was actually trying to pull off a posting restriction. I knew most people would be under the opinion that having a posting restriction does not determine alignment, but lying about one does. I purposefully broke a regularity to keep myself shadowed in doubt and thus a possible wifom target for scum later Days.

Yet you ignore the critical point, that as a town PR you would never fake a posting restriction, this makes you more of a target to scum.

Your play is contrary to your claim, and it's the perfect BS reason for a scum to 'not to get killed by scum' AND claim whatever he wants in late game.

 

[X1-12]

Kuz: Why does townie recklessness apply to some players but not others?

Kuz: Why have you accused me of scummy actions of at least 3 counts, but not called me scum?

Kuz: Why is it whenever you are called out on meta you just say "Derp"?

Kuz: Why do you try to meta FF when you've only ever played with him as town?

Kuz: Why do you try to meta me with incomplete data "The last two times he's done this, he's scum" DESPITE the fact that you've been shown me doing the exact same thing as town, probably seen me do it first hand as town too.

Kuz: Why did you chainsaw Zen?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Yet you ignore the critical point, that as a town PR you would never fake a posting restriction, this makes you more of a target to scum.

Your play is contrary to your claim, and it's the perfect BS reason for a scum to 'not to get killed by scum' AND claim whatever he wants in late game.

Contrary to what claim? I have not claimed yet.

@BOLD, But you are missing my point that one just did and purposefully made it seem as if he broke a regularity. It would make me more of a target if I followed through with it perfectly, but I consciously flubbed it. Get it?

@Gheb, Mentos himself has not posted lots of content. He only has 17 posts, most of which are the ones I have already pointed out/RVS. His extreme lack of content and his trepidation to take hard stances is what is scummy. Fully convincing a town that someone who has coasted their way through D1 and has a lack of content is scum is near-impossible. However I do feel that he is scum and I do feel this type of over-cautiousness is a scum-tell. He was chatting in the dGames social chat all last night and did not even poke his head in the thread to respond the the points made against him or even attempt to contribute content. With the deadline in two days, this surprises me.

 

[Overswarm]

Also, in case you're wondering I did lie about having a posting restriction. Why? Simple. I wanted to make myself look more scummy. I puposefully did not include asterisks in that first post and then included them in every post after that to make it appear as if I had broken some sort of regularity. I am glad OS picked up on it because it helped spread scumKuz wifom throughout the Day. I did not forsee that I would be this inactive and that I would be pushed into claiming, so it obviously backfired on me. Since I feel like most everyone will push me into claiming toDay, I did not feel like keeping up with the charade anymore.

I will claim if everyone demands it, but claiming now will be more of a detriment to town than a boon.

unvote vote: Kuz

**** claiming, I don't care what your role is.

 

[X1-12]

L-2 I believe.

I am perfectly OK with kuz dying.

 

[X1-12]

Kuz, did you turn on SWF's invisible mode during this game?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Kuz: Why does townie recklessness apply to some players but not others?

Kuz: Why have you accused me of scummy actions of at least 3 counts, but not called me scum?

Kuz: Why is it whenever you are called out on meta you just say "Derp"?

Kuz: Why do you try to meta FF when you've only ever played with him as town?

Kuz: Why do you try to meta me with incomplete data "The last two times he's done this, he's scum" DESPITE the fact that you've been shown me doing the exact same thing as town, probably seen me do it first hand as town too.

Kuz: Why did you chainsaw Zen?

1. When did I say it only applied to one person?

2. When did I say you were not scum? You are on my yellow list for a reason, I just find other players scummier than you.

3. Because both meta reasons were bad. Dark Horse thought my lapses of inactivity were a scum-tell despite me doing that in pretty much every game D1. You say I write more intelligently when I am scum, but can you back this up? Rather, is it even proveable? Have I never written hastily/worded things badly as scum? Yes, towards the end of SC, just before I got hammered. Have I ever worded things well as town? Yes, D4 and D5 of NBC.

4. When I see a consistent play style in FF games where he flips town, an aberration from that pla ystyle would suggest the opposite.

5. The only game I have seen you as town is in YT Memes. After Swiss was dead you played a more level headed game. In the 4 other games I have seen you play scum in, this was how you played scum.

6. Because Zen is not scum. Duh.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@OS, why did you stop pursuing the subject of my posting restriction before and now find it convenient as an excuse to vote me now?

@X1, no.

 

[Overswarm]

I don't believe anything you say. You deliberately attempted to act scummy, got called on it, and now reap what you have sown. It's fine by me.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

He's -1 JFYI.

And I still fail to see how your logic doesn't conflict, kuz. None of what you pointed out about mentos is as scummy as Chibo's hardcore tunneling on a player you absolutely insist on being town. Can't help but feel that your 613 dodges that question either because for how scummy you think Chibo is you take little note of things like him being pretty much equally useless as mentos. Your case on him is still lacking compared to the amount of concrete accusations we have against other players.

kuz scum flip would out ChiboScum pretty clearly imo.

 

[Overswarm]

kuz scum flip would out ChiboScum pretty clearly imo.

Unless of course kuz felt he was dead to begin with and Chibo decided to stay mostly silent so as a scum partner he couldn't make any mistakes and kuz would tunnel chibo hard so that on D2 chibo would receive no real pressure from the town O_O

 

[Swiss]

He been hammered yet?

 

[#HBC | J]

Don't hammer, I have a post coming.

 

[Overswarm]

I'm not sure how that will do much, but go for it Chris

 

[X1-12]

Hey Gova - Post.

 

[Swiss]

Who is Chris?

 

[#HBC | J]

My ava .

 

[th3kuzinator]

Confirmed I am at L-1. Don't feel like getting hammered before claiming, so I will.

Princess Hilda, Town Doctor

Any CCs?

No?

Kay.

Tell me Swiss, am I lying?

 

[X1-12]

crumbs?

10crumbs

 

[Swiss]

Doc do not CC.

 

[X1-12]

I saw kuz crumb a role which was not Doc btw

 

[Swiss]

You'll have no early crumbs. I doubt you'll have any.

You're a dead man, your play is SCUM, this way you out possibly the BEST town PR before dying.

 

[Swiss]

He could only have been BP.

 

[X1-12]

Doc do not CC.

oh yeah and this too btw.

 

[#HBC | J]

I apologize for not getting this out sooner and for getting that prod but here is my catch up post/statement of views.

I'm gonna start with my town list and then say what I would like to see. My town list is gonna be different then kuzi's though because I like to explain why I think someone is something. However this list is in no order besides grouped town/null/scum.

th3kuzinator - town (am I the only one who thinks this?)

th3kuzi *sigh* Alright first I wanna point out something. Sadly enough, kuzi WOULD do something like fake a posting restriction to make it seem like he was making a great move to get reactions and try and do someting in which he thought would be beneficial but then it ends up blowing up in his face when people do not agree and by him getting called wrong he begins to call the people that originally attacked him scummy to a point. However here's the thing. This behaviour is extremely to paint as the most scummiest thing in the world as what Swiss/X1-12 have been doing. These two should know better extremely after a certain game all of us would rather all forget because in that game two scum people made th3kuzi's similar action like he did in this game seem like he openly admitted he was scum. Remember? Why do I know this for a fact? I was one of the people who made it look alot alot worse then it actually was, you know who was the other one who did so? X1-12. Now it's confusing me as to why you two are going at this even though you have seen the EXACT SAME MOVE STYLE from kuzi as town. What kuzi has not done that I can see as scum-kuzi is his activity but I cannot talk at all about activity because I have not been active as well. However imho Kuzi is just not smart town at the moment and is stuck with a firing barrage that people will not let up on. Kuzi's town and I am not going to vote for him. I refuse to. Call it chainsaw like I know X1 will but seriously you two should know better and I don't like it. Losing faith in kuzi though with each move he tries to do though since they always seem to turn sour.

Zen - town

Thiiiiiiiis guy. Alright Zen is 100% playing to his townZen meta it is not even funny. He is calling people dumb for not listening to him but at the same time he is not making much sense with what heis saying. When he gets frustrated he pulls a bit of a massive AtE storm and those posts of him wanting out seem genuine. Coming from someone who used to use AtE alot more I can see town intent behind them. Why would he quit? He was frustrated to no one at all listening to him however I can't blame people for not because I just don't know what the heck Zen is doing this game. I'm trusting my meta in him and trusting how much I know the guy here. He's definetely town. My read on him is stronger then my read on kuzi and was kindof easier to see. Zen also does rash things like the claiming as VT and willing to die just like that. Zen will be living toDay if I have anything to say about it.

Overswarm - town

He is reminding me of All-Stars mafia and his unwillingness to play in D1 plus I like the way he got on th3kuzi for the posting restriction and he seems general p.o.ed town. His constant nagging about LAL regarding kuzi is a bit of a town tell albeit a bit tunnely to say the least. OS has been on both Zen/Kuzi for understanable reasons and however I think he needs to chillax just a bit. Overall I'm liking OS this game and comfortable with keeping him around for longer. What he has done has seemed town and I don't see anything particularly scummy from him.

Dark Horse - town *regretfully*

I'm putting him here solely because of his claim. His actions have been scummy as heck but *sigh* what are you going to do with an un-CC'd Watcher claim? Seriously I have nothing more I care to say about Dark Horse.

Chibosempai - townish

I'm see townish from Chibo though to be fair I have only played one game with him and that game was not really a shining example for anything. However it is lining up with some things that a couple friends (Gordy and Praxis) told me about how to read Chibo correctly and from what I have personally seen in that one experience with him. He seems a bit naive this game when it comes to certain situations and hmmm....nothing definitive to me calling him town but I'm getting town from him so far.

Gova - null

Definition of a null tell this game. I have no current read to swing him as either town nor scum but he's just there for me tbh. I'm looking at his posts and I'm like "Alright then...." I'm stumped on Gova. I need to see more from him, alot more.

Gheb - null

Never really played a full game with game yet. And where I have seen his play it's all the same but he tends to flip so many different alignments. He is playing similar to his FF7 remix play a bit and his Discworld play too with a bit of his All-Star play mixed in as well for me (FF7 = town, Discworld = scum, All-Star = indie). I'm gonna need to look at Gheb more but something has bugged me about what he has said. He's said I am scummy/useless but has not pointed out what about I have done is scummy/useless so I am wondering what exactly does he mean. He's given his stance that I am useless and can die but there is no explaination to it.

FrozenFlame - null

Curious as to why he is playing differently then what I've seen of him in previous games. He seems to be playing normal but he is a bit well quieter if that makes any sense. His hesitation to being able to read me as well is different but I'm going to assume that I changed my playstyle from our last game together.

Swiss - scummish vibes

Swiss comes into the game and makes a kindof skeleton version catch up that people seem to like but I'm meh on it. It doesn't reveal much at all and he seems to be pushing easy people. Why did he switch to th3kuzi if he "will lynch Chibo in a heartbeat." If he was set on Chibo shouldn't that be where his vote resides? He seems to be bandwagoning a bit but I need to see more of him then what I have but I'm getting scummy vibes off of him.

Mentos - scummy

Now here is someone who is playing a complete 180 from what I have seen of Mentos. In FF7/DGames/NBC mafia he played in quite a different way. As in he was more active and also was not really that afraid to give stances on people, where has Mentos laid his vote on or give definitive opinions on people? He has been playing extremely safe and fence-sitty. The fact is I am not liking Mentos one bit this game and especially after a re-read. He just seems like he isn't willing to take a stance on a single person yet and hence why he has not even voted ANYONE yet this ENTIRE game. Not once has he put his vote down. Why is afraid too? He also has stated he has absolutely no scum-reads. All he's been doing is going along for the ride.

X1-12 - scummy

Alright X1's also been playing scummy as well. He is still trying his hardest to disprove the claimed un-CC'd watcher. He is also being contradicting in his views. He has called th3kuzi town and stated so to OS but now he is saying "Kuzi so scummy! Lynch him idc he scum." What changed? He is gonna say the lying of a posting restriction but X1 has been one of the people making what th3kuzi has done seem incredibly scummy and he did as such as a scum faction in B&F to the exact same person for a similar cause. He has also been quieter but hmm I'm gonna discount this since he claimed V/LA. However I'm not liking X1-12 either.

Nabe - scummy

Has this guy done anything right yet? He has said he is auto-matically gonna follow everything Swiss has to say and gonna parrot him the entire game regardless and takes that as his post to catching up an doesn't even post anything that seems to have taken any effort yet in this entire game yet. He has been lurking for one and did anyone notice he said his NOTES are exactly like Swiss' in his one post. He has openly admitted he won't do anything but be his puppet. Nabe is one for posting his views and I wonder what he will think of me this game, usually his opinion is indicitive of his alignment. Let's see what he brings. But Nabe is one of my scum-picks as well.

Vote: Mentosman8

Alright now what needs to be done?

More votes on Mentos, we have 2 days left and a kuzi lynch is a dumb lynch because he most likely will flip town.
People need to explain their reasonings for scum-picks.
People who said I am scummy: Why? Bring examples and speak clearly.
Who is the worst looking out of X1-12/Mentos/Nabe in your opinion?
The above chosen scum-picks: Choose one of the people and talk about them extensively.
Let's not turn another one of Rockin's games into a No-Lynch fest but we can move the votes onto Mentos, he is at L-4 at the current time and needs more pressure so bring the heat.
Zen/Gheb/Kuzi, you need to explain what you find useless/scummy about me.
Gova, more stances/input/content needed.
Nabe, more INDIVIDUAL content needed.
Swiss, what do you mean by questions? You only asked me one and it was regarding a post that I was asking questions to drive up activity in a dull period in the game plus they were also asked to help give insight as to how people thought about certain people in the game but some people choose to ignore the simple question asked to them which is a little telling.
Frozen, what's your read on me as of now? Still having trouble? Might wanna get some glasses for those ancient eyes.
OS, does this post do anything for ya?

 

[#HBC | J]

*facepalm*

And a claim happens.

 

[#HBC | J]

Princess Hilda fits perfectly with the doc claim.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Nope, did not crumb it.

Yeah, I know, Kuz l2p a power role. I get it.

There wont be any CCs because there is no other doctor.

 

[X1-12]

Princess Hilda fits perfectly with the doc claim.

yet Shokora does not fit watcher at all.. Which one is lying?


FYI a watcher and a doctor in a small game is highly unlikely.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

...or because a smart doc wouldn't CC?