Okay, so I know this content is long overdue and I apologize for being inactive. As many of you may know, I hate D1 with a passion. I am one of those people that think it is a crapshoot and, if I can get away with it, I usually try to cruise through D1 without much content, regardless of my alignment. I like to take a flip or a Night Action and re-read the thread to pick up on scum trails and I have a hard time correctly analyzing everything before we have some hard evidence. Because of this, I have a really hard time getting myself motivated to heavily contribute D1 and thus, my D1 play is always abysmal. /johns
However, I am going to give it a shot now, so lets get started.
Upon re-reading this is the first thing that caught my eye. As X1 has already brought up in quotes, Dark Horse makes himself out to be a cautious players. Although the argument is made against him that, requesting a votecount is just an attempt at pseudo-content, he defends himself by saying he is an overly cautious player. However, is full claiming after being told it is twilight really a cautious thing to do? No. Dark Horse would have asked for a votecount first or would have at least scrolled up to count the votes on him before claiming. I am not saying we should lynch him toDay, as he is an unCCd watcher, but his quick claim seems really OOC. His slips on the actual name of his character also don't help much. Watcher is also a role that is not
too common in small setups.
Secondly, why the **** are we even thinking about lynching Zen? Thats the dumbest idea ever. Granted he has been playing reckless, but thats the sort of townie recklessness that I could plainly see from a vanilla. He is blatantly drawing attention to himself and is not shying away from his stances once pressured. He is
not the play toDay, come to your senses people. It seems everyone wants to lynch him as more of a demonstration to not play bad than actually thinking he is scummy. The fact that everyone abandoned ship and got on my wagon during the last few Days says something about the conviction of the people who were previously on his wagon. Wrong candidate, to say the least.
As people have already discussed FF's
120 is pretty icky. He addresses Gova and Zen but then proceeds to leave his vote on Mentos for no particular reason except some BS RVS vote.
X1, you never responded to
this and just continue to go on about dark horse being *****-noobscum. Besides your stance flip flopping, this is an example of the poor reasoning behind lynching Zen.
Mentos has not been contributing much. Just pops in from time to time with filler posts.
Already commented on the utter bullcrap that is
this post. How has no one besides Zen called FF out on his ****ty play thus far?
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12058546&postcount=181
Overswarm protecting FF. What bugs me about this post is that he lightly hints at that my vote on FF was baseless yet quickly pulls up some other excuse to warrant a vote, my posting restriction. Apparently, he did not find FF scummy enough at the time, despite him catching FF and posting
this. OS/FF scum team?
OS said:
Kuz actively toyed with other's questions of it and has lied and omitted information deliberately.
Pretty strong accusation you make here. What info led you to this conclusion? Note how hard OS is attacking me in this passage for the pr.
Agree with what adumb is saying
here
This post also worries me. Chibo has been previously saying that lying about a PR is dangerous and is a scum tell. Now, apparently, lying about having a posting restriction only concerns him to some extent and he uses it to further debunk OS.
Frozen said:
I can't be the first person to vote someone when asking them a question to put some extra pressure on them to answer it and show them I'm serious about getting a response? You act like I just slapped a vote on without any surrounding context, and like just because everyone else was heavily focused on another issue, me not voting in a manner relevant to that one particular conflict is a bad thing to do.
You did slap the vote on there without surrounding context and, after giving a piece on Zen, proceeded not to vote him. You also never gave good reasoning as to why Mentos deserved that vote in the first place.
X1 refuses to make comments on the argument surrounding me and my posting restriction, and just tells everyone to lynch DH. That last two time I have seen him do this, he was scum. He should have least given credence to the points made against me, but instead continues onto tunnel DH.
Mentos said:
Everyone should ignore Kuzi's claimed posting restriction. Restrictions go to town and scum depending on what the mod feels like doing, and focusing on them distracts us from actual scumhunting. OS gets some notice points for trying to focus on it so much.
This catch anyone's eye? We should not focus on his posting restriction, as it only distracts us from scumhunting, yet OS gets brownie points for focusing on it in the first place. Derp.
Mentos said:
I will give you that OS, but it's just as possible he's imposing a fake restriction which is really neither pro-town or pro-scum. We should worry about if he plays scummy, not the restriction he claims to have, because restrictions, even faked ones, tell us NOTHING about his alignment. Since it's been called out, I would like to hear his response, but you're acting like it's lynch worthy when it is more of a null tell, especially with how often restrictions have been faked.
Mentos afraid to take a hard stance on my issue one way or the other. He should be opposed or in agreement with OS at this point. I don't like how he chooses not to cleanly take a side.
From reading his posts, I think Gova is town. He is a very cautious player and his posts seem genuine.
X1-12 said:
hey OS, kuz is town
get at me
I dont know where this came from, but he takes a stance. Remember that.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12072144&postcount=251
Frozen does not bother talking about Zen vs Dark Horse and only responds to OS's question asked pages ago. This is not townFF meta.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12080465&postcount=270
Despite me adumb and tom being prodded he still is only focused on having Dark Horse talk. I don't like how he is not considering all his options.
Mentos said:
Generally speaking, people under fire should try to post more and prove they're town, just sayin.
More advice from our obvTown mentos. Did I mention scum love advice? Just keep phoning in that content and continue to avoid making hard stances.
X1 said:
Kuz talk about any two of Gheb, OS, Chibo.
Gheb seems town at the moment. I am liking Chibo and OS a lot less. I will actually amend the OS/FF connection. Seems unlikely. However one of OS or FF is scum. As for Chibo, I will get to him in a bit.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12090486&postcount=293
Why? What has Mentos done this game that makes him town. I am not seeing it. Just lots of advice/soft stances
X1 said:
@OS: Will you lay an FoS on Dark Horse? I do have reasons.
To agree with what OS said in response to this, FoS does absolutely nothing. When OS asked you for your reasoning, you chose to ignore it once more and focus on the silly term jester play. Not enough actual content contribution from you, either. When we were scum buddies in SC, I specifically asked you about the term FoS and you told me it should rarely be used, if ever at all as a town player. I don't like that post.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12092482&postcount=313
Still waiting for that Mentos content.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12092945&postcount=319
"Gonna wait until J is caught up, then I might post something worthwhile" For now, I will just keep coasting. He will use this same excuse over and over again as the game progresses.
Wtf is
this? Thats your catch up post? Gova has been playing pretty townie anyway, voting him and then going away saying "wonder what this will do," is just plain dumb.
Mentos said:
DH has a decent roleclaim, and I'm pretty certain Rockin wouldn't have given a safe-claim role. Characters of course, but not roles(he's never done it in a single game he's hosted before). Going to have to think on things a bit.
Mentos has been doing alot of thinking this game and not enough scum hunting. He has just been commenting on the proceedings of the Day and is not being firm enough with anything. He is probably scum.
Mentos/FF/??? seems likely.
Mentos said:
Heh I would need to re-read to put together exactly what could be gained, but you've had a pretty wide amount of interactions with the cast that very few people have due to the overall slowness of the game. So while I'd have to re-read to determine what could actually be drawn from your flip, it is one of the most connected flips.
All of his posts are literally the same thing, like this. Way too cautious.
FF does a huge post addressing many concerns but then simply unvotes at the end. Wtffffffffff. In SC he was not afraid to leave his vote on anyone. With all that callout, why does he not place his vote on
any of his scum reads??
FF said:
What are poeple's thoughts on X1, Gova, Chibo, Tom, and Adumb as potential plays?
Why leave me out of this? More importantly, why leave Mentos out?
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12100030&postcount=434
Cool post Frozen, glad to see you included a Zen vote in there. You scared?
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12104011&postcount=469
When Frozen is called out on not even mentioning me, he throws in a "yeah, kuz is scummy." Seems pretty circumstantial
Hold on a sec...
Guys, kuz's activity matches his activity in Yt memes and DnD (burst of activity, then fading away)
He's probs. scum
Derp.
Chibo said:
As for Kuz and his posting restriction, I don't care. Posting restrictions go on any faction. I've seen scum with them, and I have personally been town and indy (SK) before with a posting restriction. It's a null tell. The only thing that worries me about it is him potentially lying about it, as when Overswarm drilled him about it he was kind of all over the place and real meh about it, and if he is indeed lying about a posting restriction, that is something. No need to lie. However, as I've mentioned before, we don't know if he's lying or not until we find out the posting restriction for sure. He might also not be able to mention it directly. If we found out he lied about the restriction, that would make him a play imo.
Also being wishy washy about my posting restriction. First you say lying about a posting restriction is null, then you say it only worries you to some extent, now it is enough to warrant a lynch? I am okay with Chibo going too.
Mentos said:
Gheb: I'll get back to you on that later tonight, been busy the past couple days cuz of the blizzard and need to freshen my memory of this game before I can give a solid answer.
More mentos stalling. He does finally make a post though:
Mentos said:
Ok, well, to be completely honest? Scumlist not looking so strong, can't pin down a strong scum read. Not exactly uncommon for D1, but not what I'm happy with. Do have a couple of townie reads sprinkled through the playerlist, some stronger than others, but no use listing those off.
Hoping Kuz holds up to his content posting, it's been about 2 hours since he said he should be back. Will be interested to hear what he has to say before I decide whether to join up going after him or not(if it's not up to par I'd be willing to join simply because I don't think he's really accomplished anything this game beyond people questioning his restriction.)
I'll see what changes with Kuzi's promised post and probably add some more to this afterward.
1. I dont really have many scum stances.
2. I am hoping Kuz posts something worthwhile. If he does not, I will join his wagon even if he is town.
3. I will wait until Kuz has posted before posting content, because, you know, I have been chock full of it this game already.
Unvote
Vote Mentos
Fine with him, Chibo or FF. A post will follow with how I feel about each player's alignment
