Mafia Barhouse Sleepover: "Hey Town, drinks are on me!"

[Overswarm]

So you're just ****in with my head, making it hard for me to play and pretty much disabling my scumdar cause I get tunnelvisioned onto you, just cause it's fun? Seems pretty anti-town to me...

Wait... It's hard for you to play because I exist, your scumdar has been disabled, AND you omit the fact that other people should probably know you were tunnel-visioned on me before the game started and I'm the scummy one?

Oh an that post about giving you a break? Well you haven't been answering questions/accusations all game, so feel free to start now that you aren't "on your phone" or w/e

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

and how did you NOT think I was gonna be pissed at you? Not only was there that fiasco in dgsocial, but then you tried to put info on dbz here! And your response to both? "my care level is 0". And you wonder why im pissed...
@jungle: except the vote was partially omgus, and I admitted it. It just also had some basis to it (at least to me)

Don't blame the player, blame the game. Step yo moddin' skills up and don't let people know who is mafia in your game

 

[Rockin]

With 14 people, it takes 8 to lynch

FrozenFlame (1) - Steel

KevinM (2) - Chibo, Gheb

Gheb (2) - SummonerAU, Mentosman

Mentosman (1) - Menounderwater

Chibo (4) - Nix, Tom, KevinM, Junglefever

Virg (1) - Overswarm

Overswarm (1) - Ronike

Those not voting : Virg, Frozenflame

Deadline is June 1st, 2010

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If a person received a prod, then yes it'll total up each Day. If they do not post within 24 hours of the prod they received, they shall receive another prod.

 

[Ronike]

Wait... It's hard for you to play because I exist, your scumdar has been disabled, AND you omit the fact that other people should probably know you were tunnel-visioned on me before the game started and I'm the scummy one?

ummmm... Hell yeah! How in any way is just ****in with my head a pro town action?

And how in any way am I scummy for it? A bit of a bad player (cue os response of "a bit?")? Yes, I'll admit, but scummy? Not in any way shape or form! And my first or second post against you I clearly stated that I wasn't coming into this with a good attitude towards you.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

yes thank you for that. We are all eagerlly awaiting you addressing accusations brought against you by myself, and flame at the least.

Don't blame the player, blame the game. Step yo moddin' skills up and don't let people know who is mafia in your game

I'm not even going to address this as it will only create a flame war, but it doesn't really cover your attitude nor does it cover you trying to out info about dbz here as well, now does it?

 

[KevinM]

Hey guys how about we play some mafia?

 

[Rockin]

Hey, kids

Ronike and Overswarm, keep personal vendettas and other **** out of this game. Play for fun, and no arguing. I have no problem replacing/modkilling anyone (mind you, there is no replacements atm).

This is ya first warning.

 

[Overswarm]

ummmm... Hell yeah! How in any way is just ****in with my head a pro town action?

It shows your easily manipulated and are willing to put emotion before logic? I dunno. Not really my main intention.

For those not "in the loop", Ronike's out for mah blood. Does anyone think this isn't useful information?

And how in any way am I scummy for it? A bit of a bad player (cue os response of "a bit?")? Yes, I'll admit, but scummy? Not in any way shape or form! And my first or second post against you I clearly stated that I wasn't coming into this with a good attitude towards you.

Yes, but as KevinM states, we should probably play Mafia.

yes thank you for that. We are all eagerlly awaiting you addressing accusations brought against you by myself, and flame at the least.

Have I missed something, Detective?

I'm not even going to address this as it will only create a flame war, but it doesn't really cover your attitude nor does it cover you trying to out info about dbz here as well, now does it?

"I'm not going to address this, but here is me addressing it"

Lawl. L2Logic

 

[Overswarm]

Ronike and Overswarm, keep personal vendettas and other **** out of this game. Play for fun, and no arguing. I have no problem replacing/modkilling anyone (mind you, there is no replacements atm).

This is ya first warning.

Do we get a second? (*ba dum PSH!*)


But srsly, Rockin just basically confirmed that me and Ronike arguing isn't a gambit. Thank ye kindly :D



MenoUnderwater, I'd still like to see an example of that chart.

 

[CT Chia]

Chibo has a habit of taking these things on a more personal level.

I can see why you would think that per my replies, but that's not what it is. I'm just looking at everything from a very unbias objective sort of view and to be honest, I really didn't think I did anything wrong. And when people try to put suspicion on me that I think has no solid backing to it, I shrug it off. They have nothing, they have no case. They won't get anywhere with it. Tom trying to call me out on what I was saying at Ronike (and especially not mentioning OS in the same light or anything), it means nothing lol. No pressure on me at least.

Vote Ronike

 

[mentosman8]

Just want to post to say I'll have something real up in a little bit. Kinda busy day the past couple and didn't have a chance to post with work and stuff, but I'll definitely get things back up and running here today

 

[Overswarm]

Just want to post to say I'll have something real up in a little bit. Kinda busy day the past couple and didn't have a chance to post with work and stuff, but I'll definitely get things back up and running here today

I'm particularly interested in your opinion on Chibo and Meno's potential chart creation.

 

[mentosman8]

*sigh* so much of this game has been spent arguing over what is good and bad play>_> Regardless, got some thoughts to throw down. First and foremost, welcome back Frozen and Tom Making me feel like I need to step my game back up to the levels I used to put out.

Since OS asked about two particular things, I will start out with it. As for Meno's chart, I'm in agreement with FF, and that's in large part learning from mistakes. Meno made a similar chart to what he's talking about in(I believe) the last sleepover game. His intentions were good, since he flipped town, but his execution was off, and it led to a lot of tunneling and ultimately hurt town. If we can tell it has good intentions, even if not executed perfectly it's not lynch worthy. Obviously there are some ways that it could be scummy intentions, but discussion of it before it comes up is absolutely worthless because we can't tell intentions without seeing what he does with it.

In terms of Chibo, I don't know what I think of him. His comments to Ronike didn't seem to be that strong, and that's really the main substance of what he's posted. I'll be interested to hear what he has to say on other topics to get a more solidified read on him, but so far I haven't really seen enough content to make a solid judgement on him one way or the other.

I'm very surprised that my lack of posting was not brought up whatsoever. Granted, I hadn't even been gone long enough to receive a prod, but even so I had yet to post a single time since real discussion started, and Tom is the only one who really seemed to mention me at all(and OS in a roundabout way). There are a couple people I had expected to get on my case about it who didn't, so I'll be keeping that in mind.

And I just got called into work, so I'm gonna be gone for a while, may have more to add when I get home(stupid not even getting my day off in stupidly hot weather:/)

 

[mentosman8]

Oh, and Unvote. Town: Pose as a team cuz **** just got real.

 

[Overswarm]

User Name	Posts
Tom	31
Overswarm	30
FYC ChiboSempai	19
Ronike	12
Gheb_01	12
Steel	10
Virgilijus	10
SummonerAU	8
Nix2100	8
frozenflame751	7
Rockin	7
KevinM	6
mentosman8	6
MenoUnderwater	3
Junglefever	2
Omis	1

I'm still going to be watching, but I want other people to start posting some. Deliberately not posting unless I see something fantastic or someone asks me a question directly, in which case I'll respond.

Jungle, I'd still like to hear from you.

 

[KevinM]

"Welcome back Frozen and Tom"

*sighs*

 

[Virgilijus]

Hey there, KevinM.
What's your take on Overswarm?
Use your discretion

Ronike, let me ask;
Outside OS, anyone
lean towards scum for you?

 

[Ronike]

Tom is, but chibos lack of a reason to vote on me doesn't go unnoticed

@chibo: why are you voting for me? I agree that Tom is chastising you for something he ought not to be...

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Overswarm, is there any particular reason as to why you keep mentioning meno's chart despite the fact that he has offered us nothing at all so far to worth it? Is his chart really more interesting to you than his actual stance on recent discussion? Do you think the chart will give you/us more to work with than his words?

 

[Overswarm]

Hey there, KevinM.
What's your take on Overswarm?
Use your discretion

Ronike, let me ask;
Outside OS, anyone
lean towards scum for you?

It's pronounced "Ron eek"? I thought it was "Ron ick ee". If I'm right, you messed up!

 

[Overswarm]

Overswarm, is there any particular reason as to why you keep mentioning meno's chart despite the fact that he has offered us nothing at all so far to worth it? Is his chart really more interesting to you than his actual stance on recent discussion? Do you think the chart will give you/us more to work with than his words?

For your sake, I'm going to assume you didn't put much thought into this post.

Uhh, confirm?

Vote: Mentosman

I play the game with "guilty till proven innocent".

Also, expect an awesome new chart once I get my supplies ready. :D

If I perceive everyone as the potential enemy, I'm analyzing everything they say in terms of them being mafia. I take everything seriously and bluntly - where as if I considered everyone innocent, I'm scared I might start "trusting" people. Letting statements go, or reading them in a more lenient tone.



It's gonna be so great. It's gonna have all the names pinned up and I'm gonna be cataloging every single connective post.

"Chibo supported Tom"

"Steel opposed Ronike x 2"

Over time, it's gonna be interesting seeing the web of connections and how they worked out. But I'll only post it once, since last time some people didn't understand its magnificence.

Did I mention I've asked for an example and still haven't gotten it? What kind of stance should I be looking for here, Gheb?

 

[Ronike]

Nah os, it's not Ron-icky. Ro-nye-kuh. Still two syllables tho.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I didn't 'skip' the walls of discussion. I didn't have anything to contribute that hadn't allready been said. I just see OS sitting on his high horse refusing to listen to anyone else about how to play, even if how he plays elsewhere works for him.

I voted for Chibo because I simply found him just harping on Ronike and not doing anything else. His other contribution (till the point of my vote) was just discussing why speculation was bad, which was summed up in two posts and I addressed earlier why i found it strange.

Need to read up on the rest of the day.

@Ronike: The whole basis of an OMGUS is that there IS no basis, or so I've always thought. Since there is basis (or so i thought and you've agreed that there is some) then it isn't OMGUS.

 

[CT Chia]

Funny, I've always thought it was Ron-ike

I honestly didn't think my play was centered that much around Ro-nye-kuh, but I guess I'm wrong :/

I just found the thing between him an OS very notable.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

*facepalm*

(hypothetical scenarios ensue, btw)

***snip***

There is no depth to any accusation. That means you have no guarantees and have no way to differentiate between bad play and scuminess that can be played off as bad play simply because there are no guaranteed connections. You're just playing a guessing game by seeing one mistake, making a conclusion, and then riding that conclusion to a flip.

***snip***

[long hypothetical about how Mafia entails a lot of guessing, especially on D1]

***snip***

As such, you have to look at D1 as a guessing game. Despite the negative knee jerk reaction your brain just had, guessing games have rules and patterns that you can use to help you win.

What can we do to get the best possible result for town? We know we need a lynch. Lynching town is better than a no-lynch. This isn't an opinion, it's a statistical fact. It's even more important to get a lynch in games with strong players such as this.

***snip***

[another hypothetical showcasing how cases can be built on things that some people interpret as scummy, and the others just see as misunderstandings]

***snip***

What you CAN do to maximize success is to lynch inactives (players that post very little, or very little substance) and those that have larger scum tells and simply save mistakes made by other players for later days. The philosophy that we have to lynch someone with the slightest hiccup on D1 is wrong. It's a much more sound philosophy to get rid of players that are useless to town, as we have information on those that actually post. MenoUnderwater has posted little to naught, and Mentos is silent again.

Pressure inactives, make 'em post, and then you're left with choosing from whoever is scummiest or the least useful. Otherwise, mafia's best strategy is to simply leave one of their members inactive until D3. You can't have any guarantee on someone based on any error you find on D1, not until you find a flip later. At a later date you can use your newfound knowledge to pin them, but for now? Just write it down in notepad and save it for later. There's no depth to any accusations on D1, only feeling people out and inactives.

Ok so lets go through what you've established here.

1.) Mafia is primarily a guessing game.

Correct. Was never contested.

2.) On D1, you are often doing more guesswork than you would later in the game because you have very little, if any concrete evidence to work with to find scum.

True.

3.) Because of the lack on concrete info to work with, scum hunting has no "depth" and therefore your ability to scumhunt is do debased that we should prioritize lynching inactives over people with cases on them.

False. For a lot of reasons.

Yes, D1 is a lot of guesswork. Yes, you have little to no actual concrete information that indicts people as scum (because you never truly have any concrete info indicting anyone save for power role claims or related info usually), but that doesn't undermine the value of judging the scumminess of players based on their interactions with others at all. It certainly doesn't undermine the value of the knowledge you get from seeing the flip of a person who had a lot of discussion and stances surrounding them, and thus, in no way allows the removal of inactives as a pro-town benefit to outweigh the benefits you get from those constructive lynches. I'm not saying you DON'T benefit from lynching inactives, because I do recognize the value in removing them from the game. What I AM saying is that that benefit does NOT OUTWEIGH the benefits you gain from lynching someone who was active but scummy with lots of connections to learn from.

No one here is saying we HAVE to lynch someone for the "slightest hiccup" and give inactives a free ride. I'm sure everyone in here agrees with you when you ask for pressure on inactives. What I'm saying at least, is that when it comes down to lynch consideration, people who made "mistakes" and are considered scummy, no matter how active, should be considered AT THE VERY LEAST on equal ground with a blatant inactive. Personally, I learn more from lynching people with a lot of connections, so I don't usually endorse lynching blatant inactives on D1 and hoping a vig or the maf. will take out the trash for us (because as you and I both recognize, the mafia does have strategic motivation to remove inactives though NKs). If that trend isn't happening, I'm not going to sit on my hands and just let inactives coast. I'm not arguing for giving anyone a free ride, I'm just arguing for using discretion and actually IDENTIFYING who the best lynch target is by weighing these costs and benefits on a case by case basis. Inactives should NOT be a priori the better lynch candidate on ANY DAY, nor should someone who is anywhere from slightly scummy to pretty **** scummy.

And I honestly have no idea what point you were trying to make in the bolded. When did I ever say that because you have to guess in mafia, we shouldn't follow patterns to try and reach the answers we're looking for? Like I don't think anything you said there has any analytical relevance and was just another attempt at a potshot at me. Pretty used to that by now.

I didn't say it made them scummy.

He's writing in haiku, and posting things like "Overswarm is Overswarm" because it's 7 syllables. Do you know what "overswarm is overswarm" means? Do you know what HIS meaning behind it is, or are you just attributing your own to it?

Bolded is the most weighted question of all time. Of course I don't know for certain what HE meant. I would be psychic if I did. Any meaning I take from that is of course my own interpretation. The key here though is I AM STILL ABLE TO SENSIBLY INTERPRET what he said! If I was unable to, then I'd be sympathetic to what you're saying. But it's not incoherent, nor is it cryptic.

If someone else shows to be more of a pain or has scummy behavior, I'll go for them. But on D1? I'll lynch people that post in Haiku because they're the guy in the group that wants to go exploring with you, but only if he can walk backwards. HE'S SO CRAZY AND ZANY. Such an individual, not idiotic at all. Kill him if you have no better options, then you don't have to deal with that anymore.

The bolded is EXACTLY WHAT I'M ARGUING FOR. Inactives are not a BAD lynch, but they aren't by default the BEST lynch. What we're saying is that people who make slight slip ups D1 CAN be better options than inactives on D1.

You made a point (I think it was in response to Gheb) saying that its better to lynch inactives D1 because the slightly suspicious people on D1 will just "dig their own graves" later. This whole timing argument is completely debunked by the fact that you can just as easily remove an inactive later, or that inactive can be NK'd later and removed for us. Saying "we can take care of the other option later" doesn't make that option any less of a good option when the competing option can JUST AS EASILY be displaced.

And again, this goes back to the cost benefit analysis for lynching and inactive versus letting them get NK'd:

Lynch an inactive:

- Boon for town because they are a drag, inflate the amount needed to lynch, hard to get reads on, can be coasting scum, etc.

- Negative for the town because we waste a lynch on someone who had likely little to no connections with anyone, and we limit our ability to draw connections from the flip and get a step up tomorrow

An inactive gets NK'd:

- Boon for town because they are a drag, inflate the amount needed to lynch, hard to get reads on, can be coasting scum, etc.

- Negative for the town because the mafia killed someone who had likely little to no connections with anyone, and thus limits our ability to draw connections from the flip and get a step up the following day

If you think about it, the BOONS to the town for the removal of inactives are IDENTICAL regardless of how they are removed from the game. What ISN'T identical is the NEGATIVE impact of their removal, based on the method of removal. Since LYNCHES have more value to the town, information wise, than NK flips, we should be using our lynches PRIMARILY on people with decent amounts of connections to others so that we can LEARN a lot from their flip. NK's a INHERENTLY less useful information wise than lynches because as you've said your self they can be used manipulatively and the town has NO CONTROL over them. Town MUST have a say in the lynch which inherently makes them more reliable insofar as information garnering is concerned, AND less WIFOMy.

...My argument against the chart is that it is near useless at its core unless it is done properly, and even then it's got just as big a chance of screwing us over than it does for helping us since one guy is determining the connections and we do not know his alignment. That data can't help unless its accurate, and we have no reason to believe it will be, nor what good it will even do.

What supporters of this mystery chart are saying is that we should be able to look at it, determine he hasn't left anything out or misinterpreted something, and then make a call on that.

Funny story: I say "get the data right, or I'm starting a wagon on you. This chart is going to be useless."

I hear: "that's so dumb, why would you say something like that? And this chart is gonna be useful"

I say: "you have no way of knowing the chart will be accurate! He could be missing things, or deliberately holding them back, or just misinterpreting them!"

I hear: "then he's obviously scum, and we'll lynch him since the data is wrong"

Which is exactly what I said in the first place. Lynch him if he gets the data wrong. Except I told him in advance so he knows not to goof around with it and I'm not going to be some scummy opportunist picking on someone making a huge mistake D3. I just thought a few steps ahead.

Horrendous non sequitur. Here's how the chart scenario would ACTUALLY play out:

- Meno publishes chart
- We all check it out and determine it to be A.) Accurate or B.) Inaccurate

If A.) We use the chart as a very useful tool in discussion the connections between players and either elucidate current lynch pursuits or springboard discussion if the game is stagnatign

If B.) Discussion regarding whether or not the data is inaccurate because of C.) stupid mistakes (unintentional) or D.) intentional skewing of the data to spin it in anti-town favor.

If we determine the answer to be C.) we simply disregard what data is accurate (or the whole chart if its completely ****ed) and pursue other scum leads. If the answer is D.) We grill Meno hard and may very well end up lynching him for it.

What YOU were proposing was an IF B THEN IMMEDIATELY D scenario, which is NOT the right mentality to have. That's the key difference in our two lines or argument.

Self-control... have you played mafia on smashboards? Someone goes inactive for two days and they're either quick lynched for hiding like scum or completely forgotten

I'm played mafia on smashboards for years before you even knew what Dgames was. If someone is scummy and has pertinent leads attached to them, I can guarantee that they won't be forgotten in this game of all games.

Flame, stop posting AtE stuff. I know it's just how you post, but ease up. And don't tell Meno how he should feel.

Lol I love how not only do you misconstrue my condemning of your blatant strawman of what is chart would actually entail, as not on an AtE (which is absolutely isn't) AND as me telling Meno how he should feel. Me saying how I would feel in Meno's place is NOT telling him how he should feel. That's actually a suggestion YOU made. Furthermore, I'll have to ask you to refrain from making obnoxious comments like "stop making AtEs" when you have absolutely no analysis to back it up. Not that I'm not used to your sweeping statements and blatant mischaracterizations by now, but just ease up.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

EBWOP: In this following line,

If we determine the answer to be C.) we simply disregard what data is accurate (or the whole chart if its completely ****ed) and pursue other scum leads. If the answer is D.) We grill Meno hard and may very well end up lynching him for it.

Replace "we simply disregard what data is accurate..." with "we simply disregard what data is INaccurant..."

Kind of important for the logic to work.

 

[SummonerAU]

@Mod: I don't remember voting Gheb!

 

[SummonerAU]

Overswarm, you seem to be doing a lot of things that provoke discussion on things that aren't that necessary or just things like

I'm still going to be watching, but I want other people to start posting some. Deliberately not posting unless I see something fantastic or someone asks me a question directly, in which case I'll respond.

"Hey guys, I'm not going to do anything unless I HAVE to to avoid looking suspicious. I'm totally not being anti-town by choosing to lurk. Totally."
I want to see answers to these questions
Why?
How are you helping town?
If somebody else did this, what would you do?

(although granted, I am coming into this with a really bad attitude towards OS, just as Im sure he is towards me).

He posted this way before any of your goading and yet, you still felt the need to goad him to 'prove' your point.

I get the feeling that Overswarm is trying to tie up gametime to 'time out' the day

Hey guys, I changed my mind, I'm still going to be watching the game but I won't post unless someone makes me.

 

[Tom]

@Tom: your attempts to stick up for me are noted as possible buddying. Especially since Kevin used to use a similar strategy to try to get scumslips out of me, and getting an emotional response is a completely valid stategy. I just hate it.

lol ok champ

Oh, and Unvote. Town: Pose as a team cuz **** just got real.

LOL

Tom is, but chibos lack of a reason to vote on me doesn't go unnoticed

@chibo: why are you voting for me? I agree that Tom is chastising you for something he ought not to be...

i felt like chibo dropped our back-and-forth way too fast. in previous games, chibo and i (when we were both town) went back and forth like crazy disagreeing over semantics and ****. it enveloped almost an entire day. it was a LoD game but i cant remember which but im sure someone (chibo, kevin, steel) does.

and in this game chibo just dropped it and backed off. also his joke wasn't funny. and then he just nagged you over and over.




lol at this game, by the way. overswarm you are basically wrong about everything and ruining discussion.

 

[Tom]

jungle you really do look like you just piggybacked onto chibo

the problem is that i cant tell if you did it because thats what you do as town or if you did it because its an easy scum move

either way its poor >:[

 

[Overswarm]

Overswarm, you seem to be doing a lot of things that provoke discussion on things that aren't that necessary or just things like


"Hey guys, I'm not going to do anything unless I HAVE to to avoid looking suspicious. I'm totally not being anti-town by choosing to lurk. Totally."
I want to see answers to these questions
Why?
How are you helping town?
If somebody else did this, what would you do?

I'd probably ask them specific questions instead of arguing about things like "rar I hate you" (ronike), "This is how WE play, and I don't care if we're saying the same thing I'm still going to argue rabble rabble" (Gheb, FrozenFlame) to get more information out of them.

If you look closely at the thread, you'll see I've had no qualms answering questions nor bringing attention to myself. At this point I've learned a good deal about several players I previously knew little about, and now I'm going to learn more by watching them post between themselves.

I'm still here, still following. Just waiting for direct questions until I post things for now. It's still more activity then, say, MenoUnderwater.

He posted this way before any of your goading and yet, you still felt the need to goad him to 'prove' your point.

I get the feeling that Overswarm is trying to tie up gametime to 'time out' the day

I'm not really sure what this means.

Hey guys, I changed my mind, I'm still going to be watching the game but I won't post unless someone makes me.

You weren't exactly active in the first place. Sitting back and waiting for an easy target isn't exactly activity.

Here's a question for you:

Why haven't you said anything about anyone other than me?

http://www.smashboards.com/search.php?searchid=3463282


And yes, you're one of my suspicions. In other games you've had a similar strategy of kind of staying back and waiting to post, but you've focused solely on me in this game. This is unique, and not in a good way.

Other players, I'd look at my posts and take note of the following:

-who has initial disagreements
-who continues to have arguments back and forth
-who focuses solely on me
-who had an initial disagreement, then left when others picked it up
-who has ignored me completely

Because really, there isn't much reason for that at this point.


Back to waiting.

vote KevinM

 

[SummonerAU]

I didn't say that you wouldn't still be watching the thread Overswarm. Another thing, you've only played [an ongoing game] with me afaik which is now 20 pages long. This game is only 5 pages long, why wouldn't I have only focused on one person at this point in time? At that point in [the ongoing game]. So your meta isn't even 'good' meta.

How does being less active than you normally would be help the players that aren't you?
Why did you decide to vote KevinM in that post?
Who would you say you've learned the most about and what do you think the most important thing you've learned is?

 

[Overswarm]

How does being less active than you normally would be help the players that aren't you?

Let's assume for a moment I'm town. I continue to post, and people continue to banter.

Banter will continue until the day is at an end, and then someone will be lynched. Maybe me, maybe someone random, maybe someone who makes a tiny mistake. But little information not connected to me will exist because most other conversations are short lived. There is little benefit to town from me continuing to post at the level I have been.

Let's assume for a moment I'm scum. I continue to post, and people continue to banter. Someone gets lynched at the end of the day. Maybe me, maybe someone random, maybe someone who makes a tiny mistake. But little information not connected to me will exist because most other conversations are short lived. Even if I am lynched and am scum, my posts have been saturating the thread and letting others easily hide under the radar or distance themselves from me. It makes for a long, tedious read with little to no information not directly related to me.

OR

I could post less like I said I was going to do and wait and see how others post, and you can see other people's activity. You, for example, have become more active as a result of me merely saying I won't post as often.

Why did you decide to vote KevinM in that post?

He can ask that if he wants.

Who would you say you've learned the most about and what do you think the most important thing you've learned is?

Rockin and the benefits of friendship.

 

[Steel]

unvote

Only problem I have with Chibo is instead of initiating with the back-and-forth that he usually does (like Tom just said) he's just making simple posts trying to indicate that he doesn't care there is pressure on him. It almost seems forced, most notable in the two most recent posts:

And when people try to put suspicion on me that I think has no solid backing to it, I shrug it off. They have nothing, they have no case. They won't get anywhere with it. Tom trying to call me out on what I was saying at Ronike (and especially not mentioning OS in the same light or anything), it means nothing lol. No pressure on me at least.

I honestly didn't think my play was centered that much around Ro-nye-kuh, but I guess I'm wrong :/

I just found the thing between him an OS very notable.

Just something that caught my eye. Chibo i don't know why you're seemingly afraid to bunk heads with anyone so far in this game.

Recent large posts by Overswarm and large posts@ Overswarm are annoying and aren't getting us anywhere at this point.

 

[Overswarm]

Recent large posts by Overswarm and large posts@ Overswarm are annoying and aren't getting us anywhere at this point.

Just to clarify for SummonerAU.



Jungle, what do you think of Chibo?

Chibo, what do you think of Jungle?

 

[deepseadiva]

Hey guys, sorry I've been off to the side recently.

I'm finishing up my chart now - I'll be making contributions very soon tonight.

 

[SummonerAU]

That means you should change what you're talking about, not stop talking.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I didn't 'skip' the walls of discussion. I didn't have anything to contribute that hadn't allready been said. I just see OS sitting on his high horse refusing to listen to anyone else about how to play, even if how he plays elsewhere works for him.

I voted for Chibo because I simply found him just harping on Ronike and not doing anything else. His other contribution (till the point of my vote) was just discussing why speculation was bad, which was summed up in two posts and I addressed earlier why i found it strange.

Need to read up on the rest of the day.

@Ronike: The whole basis of an OMGUS is that there IS no basis, or so I've always thought. Since there is basis (or so i thought and you've agreed that there is some) then it isn't OMGUS.

 

[CT Chia]

Jungle is a super ambitious... (jk lol, office quote)

Well lets see...

Facts:
-Jungle has been in this game for about 1.5 days.
-The only person Jungle has commented on is myself (and a little bit of Ronike by connection)
-Jungle didn't see Ronike's vote on OS as an omgus vote
-Has nothing to comment on outside of me prior to today

My thoughts:
-OS, why did you ask what Jungle thinks of me? I'm the ONLY person he's commented on.

-Jungle is either extremely tunneled on me (which makes 1000% no sense as town) by only singling me out and thats it
-Possibly sticking up for Ronike (not in a townie way, as in a scumbuddy way) since I really don't see how someone can not see the omgus in that, especially considering OS and Ronike's recent past. Even the mod had commented on it in this game and told em to stop. If Jungle was town, there would be no reason to outwardly comment on thinking it wasn't an OMGUS, because imo a townie should have a clean slate for everyone, with no need to defend someone like that, UNLESS jungle REALLY didn't think it was an OMGUS (which makes NO sense to me)
-Jungle has nothing to comment on as of about 4 hours ago. Nothing to comment on. Nothing to comment on. Nothing at all to comment on. 14 players. Nothing at all to comment on. Nearly 200 posts. Nothing at all to comment on. 14 players and nearly 200 posts. 14 players and nearly 200 posts. Nothing at all to comment on.

Jungle

Comment on this
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10339688&postcount=55
Especially note what was said to Omis and respond to it.

Comment on Omis. What kind of position did he put you in?

Comment on yourself as if you were an outside player.


Meno

Have you made a contribution to this game that is 100% unrelated to your chart? If so, please point it out.


Tom

the problem is that i cant tell if you did it because thats what you do as town or if you did it because its an easy scum move

Lets hear a compare and contrast of Jungle's choice of jumping onto me considering Jungle's past (or lack there of) in this game as a town move versus a scum move.


Kevin

Oooooo Kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin

You have done nothing this game. Nothing at all.

-Insert joke post here-

I wanna kill x! Vote x

When there was no reason to want to kill x.

x or y today

When he provides no reason or insight on x or y

-Insert joke post here-

-Insert joke post here-

-Insert joke post here-

-Insert joke post here-

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Maybe I'll want z dead

Gives no explanation or insight on z.

-Insert joke post here-

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^Entire summary of Kevin's play today.

But that's not true, it's a hyperbole. KevinM hasn't posted that many times yet.

You know what? I'm glad people reminded and pushed me to play like this again. Cause you know what? I'm not gonna deal with play like this. Especially coming from you Kevin. You do this in multiple games. Genious tactic? Hero town? Dastardly scum? I don't care. Regardless of what you are or who you peg as scum, you don't help. Post your thoughts. Explain your votes.

I'm not gonna let this happen as I expect others to post well and others expect me to do the same when you can just lounge back and let this happen.

Perfect example...

Pokemafia.

KevinM is a townie Day 1. KevinM posts a respectable 25 times. Night 1 he comes scum. For the rest of the game he posts only 11 times. His posts also became exponentially unhelpful in the switch.

KevinM until you play this game I will not remove my vote from you.

Unvote Vote KevinM

 

[Overswarm]

That means you should change what you're talking about, not stop talking.

Or someone else could start?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Chibo I don't even know what you want me to say about Omis or how it's even pertinent to anything. I didn't answer Tom's question aimed at Omis because the questions were aimed at specific players for specific reasons. Omis and Jungle are not interchangeable.

Omis didn't put me in any situation. He literally replaced out the start of Day 1, it's like I started in the game, not replaced in.

If I didn't know myself as a player (or even if I did I guess) I'd probably be like wtf is he doing Jungle doesn't generally take stances early (or at least I dont think i do. Not hard ones with a vote anyway).

Just because I don't comment on something doesn't mean I'm not reading it. I have absolutely nothing to say about the conversation at hand, which is mostly directed at Overswarm. I don't see you really doing that either, for that matter. Because I don't lay out all my thoughts one very single player at one time, doesn't mean I don't have an opinion on them or have some sort of thought on them. On the OS discussion at hand, I have nothing to say that hasn't allready been said or would contribute positively in any way. Instead, I'm going to grab what I think is scum (for now, it is early Day 1) and hold on to it until I have a reason to think otherwise or find someone else scummy.

 

[Rockin]

With 14 people, it takes 8 to lynch

KevinM (2) - Chibo, Gheb

Gheb (1) - SummonerAU

Mentosman (1) - Menounderwater

Chibo (4) - Nix, Tom, KevinM, Junglefever

Virg (1) - Overswarm

Overswarm (1) - Ronike

Those not voting : Virg, Frozenflame, Mentosman, Steel

Deadline is June 1st, 2010

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@Mod: I don't remember voting Gheb!

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