[M-1, 10, 13] Taco City Takeout: Game Over

[CT Chia]

What do people think of the setup

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@X1
Here's your evidence:

This is why I say the first thing you did was try to tell everybody to join the wagon. And I'm sorry, the first thing you did was vote swiss, do something irrevelant, and then you did this:

Let's do it Cello Style!!!


Unvote:

Vote: GorditoBoy69

Here's why I say that you still insisted on me being the bad guy:

P.S
Everyone vote for scumditoboy69.

And, if it isn't obvious enough, people are asking you questions. My thoughts are you can be a scum, or you can just think it's too early to decide anything, so let's gamble and go against whoever's being targeted. Like if Riddle's the next to be targeted, you'll go for him.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I say the setup is like this:
8 players.

2 scum.
1 cop.
1 doc.
4 vanillas.

It'd only make sense that 2 of 8 players are scum. And it seems too small to have any extra roles other than cop and doc.

 

[CT Chia]

What do people think of the setup

I'd like everyone to answer this

 

[The_Guide]

2 scum. A power role or two. Thats all I can really say, at this point.

Chibo, would you be against telling us why you want to know?

 

[Riddle]

2 scum is obvious chibo. I dont think we have enough information to speculate about anything else.

@Gordito, I dont really think you answered my question so I'll rephrase:

When Chibo and Swiss both voted you, you stated that you thought this was a scummy action. Do you think that scum is likely to do something like that?

 

[Riddle]

I'd also like to know why Chibo wants people to weigh in on flavor. The way people answer could provide subtle clues on power roles and I dont like mafia knowing that.

I think saying there is 2 scum is enough

 

[The_Guide]

Yah, I'm with you Riddle. No need to give scum information. Apart from settling on a two man mafia, we shouldn't really be talking about this.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@ Riddle
I don't think it matters how early in the game it is. If the scum are smart enough to see an opening, then they can freely take it.
Ex. Assume here that Swiss and X1 are the scum. Swiss made an opening argument toward me "omgus voting" him (I didn't mean for it to come off as an OMGUS, but I guess it did). Non scum agreed with him, which would give X1 the perfect opprotunity to slither into that crowd.

Adding to that, in the Swiss and Chibo situation, I see it scummy because Chibo voted me cuz of RVS, and Swiss just happened to go right with him right away. I thought that was fishy, and I said something about it. Swiss just happened to be able to turn the tables around on me.
That being said, I'm not sure who's scum and who isn't anymore. And I'm not prepared to make a vote yet.

If I'm not mistaken, the vote count is 1 vote Chibo, 2 votes X1, 1 vote me right?

 

[Xivii]

I'd also like to know why Chibo wants people to weigh in on flavor. The way people answer could provide subtle clues on power roles and I dont like mafia knowing that.

I think saying there is 2 scum is enough

This.

Not sure what Chibo is fishing for.

 

[CT Chia]

I have a reason but I'd rather not say why until everyone answers first

I guess what's more important is the scum side of things. So 2 person scum is what the general consensus seems to be?

 

[CT Chia]

the anti-town side of things*
forgot to mention if ppl think indies could be here

 

[Xivii]

Makes sense to me. 3 would be overdose. Could be indy as well but I don't think we can really say this early.

 

[The_Guide]

If there are indies here, the game would be really imbalanced imo. So thats probably a no.

 

[The_Guide]

Forget what I said, I want to see what Chibo has to say. Given his latest posts, I have an idea of where he's going with this.

 

[Chaco]

Taco Time: 11:00am Lunch Rush

"Check out our menu, fella."

1. FYC ChiboSempai-(2) Riddle, Swiss
2. Riddle-
3. X1-12-(1) Guide,
4. frozenflame751-
5. GorditoBoy69-(1) X1-12,
6. The_Guide-
7. Zensei-
8. Swiss-

Not Voting-(4) Zensei, Frozenflame, Chibo, Gordito

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Yea, I'd say no indies.

So, frozenflame... what's up?

 

[The_Guide]

Doesn't Swiss have his vote on X-12?

 

[Riddle]

unvote

I'm willing to let Chibo execute his plan, but if he has a bad reason that will be a red flag.

Adding to that, in the Swiss and Chibo situation, I see it scummy because Chibo voted me cuz of RVS, and Swiss just happened to go right with him right away. I thought that was fishy, and I said something about it. Swiss just happened to be able to turn the tables around on me.
That being said, I'm not sure who's scum and who isn't anymore. And I'm not prepared to make a vote yet.

If I'm not mistaken, the vote count is 1 vote Chibo, 2 votes X1, 1 vote me right?

Does this make both of them scummy or just Swiss?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I see where you're going. I guess it can just make Swiss the scum. But what if it was decided to vote one specific player? Then Chibo can RVS, chill in the back, and let Swiss take control.
But Chibo CAN just be the first person to vote in RVS, and Swiss can take that opprotunity to try to corner somebody easily. I guess that can justify Chibo backing off on his vote against me.
But in the end, neither of can be sure of who's scum or not. We have nine days until this day ends. I plan to stay undecided until I see that someone's acting scummy.

 

[CT Chia]

vote frozenflame

dude needs to post

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

agreed.

Vote: frozenflame

 

[The_Guide]

Lol, it hasn't even been a day yet. We're being spoiled by our great activity.

All you lurkers better watch out.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Still, maybe it'll get him to be active.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Or if not, then at least he's out early.

 

[Riddle]

I'm not sure who's scum and who isn't anymore. And I'm not prepared to make a vote yet.

So, frozenflame... what's up?

vote frozenflame
dude needs to post

agreed.

Vote: frozenflame

I find this string of posts...interesting.

GorditoBoy says he's not ready to vote because he doesnt know who scum is. This implies to me that he votes purely based on his perception of who scum is and not anything like inactivity or to pressure.

Gordito clearly notices that frozenflame is inactive and asks him where he is. However, what really interests me is what Gordito does after Chibo votes frozen. Gordito's vote makes very little sense to me. It doesn't match his philosophy from what I've read and he decides to vote after chibo even though he posted about frozen's inactivity before chibo did.

Seems like blatant sheeping to me.

 

[Riddle]

Or if not, then at least he's out early.

Are you suggesting we lynch Frozen?

 

[Swiss]

Wow. Finally an active game. :D

@ Mod - my vote is on X1-12 NOT Chibo

To save time:

unvote vote X1-12


I think Gordito did OMGUS me, however, I don't think it was unreasonable. Some of the pressure I put on him was entirely unjustified (turns out it was pretty much all correct, though). The guy has acted in a scummy fashion, also as Riddle just said, the guy is sheeping to the MAX.

I have never seen someone play so scummy. Yet I just don't know if I think he's scum - the contradictions are just too pointless for a scum not to make them. Ugh, WIFOM. He's tunneling me, imo, as well.

There may be an indy - we shouldn't assume there isn't - it might not be a killing role.




X1, what I don't like about the way you played is that you continued the pressure after Gordito had pretty much crumbled. I pressured him to try and understand him, I assumed you were doing the same (hence why I said I liked your play). But now it seems that you have your claws into him. I can understand why, but it implies you thought he was scum right from the beginning - in which case you went after him way too hard - why?

 

[Riddle]

I honestly don't think Gordito's play is particularly scummy. The thing about scum tells is that they apply differently to different people. While playing like Gordito would immediately make me vote say...Chibo, Gordito really just seems like a bad townie.

This could change, but you've got to look into motivation since thats the most key factor of determining peoples scumminess.

So Swiss, when you say you've never seen someone play so scummy, what exactly do you mean? As in what is your definition of scumminess?

 

[Swiss]

So Swiss, when you say you've never seen someone play so scummy, what exactly do you mean? As in what is your definition of scumminess?

I define scumminess as posts & actions which either contradict, do not benefit town or benefit scum.

I have never seen a player make so many tells that scum often do. The points I have made I stand by - if not the fervency of them.

Such as: Irrelevant posts when being questioned.
Sheeping.
Possibe OMGUS'ing.
Claiming non-scum with no actions to prove it.

etc etc

 

[Swiss]

Gordito - who do you find most suspicious and why?

Why did you place a vote almost immediately after stating you wouldn't?

 

[X1-12]

I have never seen someone play so scummy. Yet I just don't know if I think he's scum - the contradictions are just too pointless for a scum not to make them. Ugh, WIFOM. He's tunneling me, imo, as well.

I don't know, didn't you think I was town for almost the same reasons in newbie 7?

X1, what I don't like about the way you played is that you continued the pressure after Gordito had pretty much crumbled. I pressured him to try and understand him, I assumed you were doing the same (hence why I said I liked your play). But now it seems that you have your claws into him. I can understand why, but it implies you thought he was scum right from the beginning - in which case you went after him way too hard - why?

I thought gordito had crumbling left to do, he wasn't actually that close to being lynched. he's still my desired lynch atm so I'll keep my vote there. I will keep playing the day as normal so if anyone else pops up on my radar I will be suspicious, if no-one out scumms him I want him lynched toDay

@set-up I think its most likely 2 mafia whatever else roles and shizz there are.

 

[Swiss]

I don't know, didn't you think I was town for almost the same reasons in newbie 7?

That I can agree with you on. You were scum and had me pretty much fooled. (I was actually setting you up for the NK as well - but Cello buggered me up )

I'll be willing to lynch him unless the situation changes - but later in the day, obv.


X1 - can you look at my points on you, and answer them?

 

[Swiss]

@ mod, wrt to the game's activity, can you prod Frozen?

 

[X1-12]

@Swiss

As far as I can tell, your points against me consist of you don't like me still pushing the wagon? well I don't want people to forget who to lynch and get sidetracked, Its been known to happen. Since you ask nicely I will hold off for now but I hope everyone remembers gordito's scummy play, even his responses to my fairly simple questions seem irrelevant or illogical


Unvote

Summary:
I wan't gordito lynched but am willing to wait till later in the day. Please don't forget how scummy this player is.

 

[Chaco]

@ mod, wrt to the game's activity, can you prod Frozen?

I didn't want to intervene until called upon, but Frozen works second shift. So his activity will be differnt from a normal persons, and more so like mine. :D

I will refrain from prodding him until I wake up tomorrow.

I'll put up a new votecount in a bit.

 

[Swiss]

@Swiss

As far as I can tell, your points against me consist of you don't like me still pushing the wagon? well I don't want people to forget who to lynch and get sidetracked, Its been known to happen. Since you ask nicely I will hold off for now but I hope everyone remembers gordito's scummy play, even his responses to my fairly simple questions seem irrelevant or illogical


Unvote

Summary:
I wan't gordito lynched but am willing to wait till later in the day. Please don't forget how scummy this player is.

K. Unvote

I also really don't like how you unvoted because I 'asked' you to. I'd genuinely prefer it if you stuck to your guns, we all have to be a bit stubborn - there are scum here after all.

I see where you're going. I guess it can just make Swiss the scum. But what if it was decided to vote one specific player? Then Chibo can RVS, chill in the back, and let Swiss take control.
But Chibo CAN just be the first person to vote in RVS, and Swiss can take that opprotunity to try to corner somebody easily. I guess that can justify Chibo backing off on his vote against me.

Seeing as no-one else pointed this out. I will. As scum, it would be far easier for me to jump on a townies vote - thus securing his 'alliance' and getting my buddy to then jump on after - this would have made a far more effective bandwagon than the one you suggested the Chibo/Swiss scum team to make.

Do we have any IC's in the game?

Are you suggesting we lynch Frozen?

Answer this.




Chibo - Are you just waiting on frozen's opinion on the setup now? Anyone who hasn't specifically answered - answer.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

The only reason I suggest to lynch frozen atm is because he's inactive. Yea, give him time to actually say something, I guess.

Unvote

I guess I was kind of jumping the shark. I just want him to post something to show he's here.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@ Riddle ^ and v

I shouldn't be the one who tries to tell frozen to be active. I should leave it on the mod to prod him. I did jump the shark, and wanted to pressure him into being active, which was wrong.

@ Swiss

I don't find anybody the MOST suspicious as of right now. But here are some points on some people:

X1: He seems to just want to carry the wagon through the whole game. Even though some people seemed to drop as much suspicion of me as they had, X1 is determined to get people on his side.

Swiss: I'm not sure if you're as scummy as I thought, but you did seem to jump on Chibo's RVS wagon. I shot suspicion at you two, and you claimed OMGUS and scummy actions. You were just lucky to get people that agree with you.

Riddle: I don't believe that Riddle's scum as much as I think the top two are. But, to me, it kind of looks like Riddle is trying to be on everybody's side. It's a good sign of independence, and that peer pressure doesn't hit him. But I just have a bit of feeling that I can't justify too well. It's just a personal speculation.

Chibo: He RVS'd me, and when people started to get on my case, he seemed to want to subltely back out, as if to say I don't have anything to do with your lynching. Plus, he's so curious as to what the setup is. People want to know why, and he hasn't really answered. Kind of fishy, if you ask me.

 

[Swiss]

2 points:

I wasn't 'lucky' - my case made sense. Your replies didn't - so people wagoned you. You are LUCKY there is debate over your playstyle. Had I or any other player here done that - they'd be a dead man.

Chibo backing out was town play. RVS means you place a vote for little or no reason, when he saw a wagon approaching you, he backed off, as he didn't want to be immediately associated with a wagon. (This does not mean X1's or my play was scummy, as they were not the reverse of Chibo's, FYI). He'll answer the setup question - waiting on answers from other players is not a scum tell unless it is clear stalling.


Gordito - if you had to lynch a player now, who would it be?