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Luigi's Down B Starting Charged

Discussion in 'Luigi' started by StretchNutz, Nov 24, 2010.

  1. StretchNutz

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    Did you know that there are many situations in which Luigi begins a set with the ability to immediately do a rising down-b? There is a very abstract pattern that determines when this situation occurs. To quickly understand what I mean, do the following: start a set in vs. mode using controller port 4 as luigi, with your opponent being a computer Marth on Dreamland. As soon as the match starts, jump into the air and mash down-b and you will rise into the air. LRAStart and change the opponent to Fox. Go back to Dreamland and immediately when the match starts jump into the air and attempt to do a rising down-b... you will assuredly fail.

    The pattern is as rudimentary as follows: for every possible Luigi opponent (even luigi himself though only the one in the higher-numbered controller port can do the initial rise [unconfirmed]) there is an apparently random list of levels on which luigi will begin the match with the down-b "loaded." I have a buddy who is nearly finished with a spreadsheet of every character and level on which the initial rising down-b occurs. I will update this thread as soon as new info comes along.
     
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    I wouldn't have believed this if Rob didn't tell me before hand. Crazy that even today, new discoveries about Melee are STILL being made
     
  3. Rubyiris

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    Arizona: Where discovering new things about Melee happens.
     
  4. Wenbobular

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    Wow, that's actually quite interesting.
     
  5. OkamiBW

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    You need to be in the lower slot. (Axe discovered this part)
    Lower port meaning lower port priority. 4>3>2>1

    In addition, if you are fighting in teams against say a Peach and a Mario on Yoshi's Story, then you will not have it charged. But if you are fighting a Peach and a Bowser on YS, it will be charged.

    Here's a list of all the data I've got so far.

    Works with these characters on these stages...

    Dr. Mario - FZ, Tem, PS, PF
    Mario - PPC, FS, PF, MK2
    Luigi (dittos) - PPC, YS, JJ, Tem, Ven, Onett, MC
    Bowser - GB, YS, Cor, PS, BF, YI64, KJ64
    Peach - YS, FoD, RC, Tem, GG, Brin, Onett, PS, MK1, PF, FD
    Yoshi - YS, FoD, RC, Ven, Brin, Onett, FS, BB, MK2, BF, FD, KJ64
    DK - FoD, FZ, RC, Tem, Onett, MC, PS, BF, FD, DL64
    Captain Falcon - IM, YS, FZ, YI, PS, MK1, KJ64
    Ganondorf - KJ, Cor, JJ, YI, Brin, MK1, PF, FD, YI64
    Falco - YS, Cor, Ven, PF, BF, FD
    Fox - YI, PS, MK1, BD, PF, FD
    Ness - YS, FoD, RC, Tem, MC, FS, BB, PF, FD
    Ice Climbers - IM, PPC, KJ, GB, Cor, Tem, YI, GG, MK1
    Kirby - Cor, Tem, YI, PS, MK1, BD, BF, YI64
    Samus - GB, FoD, RC, Tem, YI, Onett, MC, BB, MK2, DL64, YI64, KJ64
    Zelda - PPC, KJ, GB, FoD, JJ, Ven, Brin, MK1, FS, BB, PF, MK2, KJ64
    Sheik - (untested)*
    Link - (untested)
    Young Link - (untested)
    Pichu - PPC, KJ, YS, JJ, Ven, PS, BD, MK2, YI64
    Pikachu - (untested)
    Jigglypuff - (untested)
    Mewtwo - (untested)
    Game and Watch - (untested)
    Marth - IM, RC, Tem, GG, BB, PF, MK2, FD, DL64
    Roy - IM, KJ, JJ, GG, Ven, MK1, MK2, YI64, KJ64

    *Sheik starts it charged on FD, but Zelda does not
     
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  6. Winston

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    good ****.

    I know that all too often I end up offstage without a charge on my first stock. I'll make sure to get the lower port from now on. haha
     
  7. StretchNutz

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    Get the higher-numbered port. As in always try to get port 4.
     
  8. Vist

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    hmmmm interesting.. I never noticed this
     
  9. Winston

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    yeah I meant lower port priority, sorry.
     
  10. OkamiBW

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    I updated my post. I'll update it again in a bit. Testing more characters while watching Pokemon. :)

    Edit: That's enough for tonight. I actually have all the data for the bottom two rows of stages, but I'm going to post those only when I complete each whole character's data set. Only 7 char x 19 stages more to go!
     
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    wow that is actually really interesting.. I think im going to try this out :p
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1rLu7eqVxM

    Completed.

    Full
    Dr. Mario - FZ, Tem, PS, PF
    Mario - PPC, FS, PF, MK2
    Luigi (dittos) - PPC, YS, JJ, Tem, Ven, Onett, MC
    Bowser - GB, YS, Cor, PS, BF, YI64, KJ64
    Peach - YS, FoD, RC, Tem, GG, Brin, Onett, PS, MK1, PF, FD
    Yoshi - YS, FoD, RC, Ven, Brin, Onett, FS, BB, MK2, BF, FD, KJ64
    DK - FoD, FZ, RC, Tem, Onett, MC, PS, BF, FD, DL64
    Captain Falcon - IM, YS, FZ, YI, PS, MK1, KJ64
    Ganondorf - KJ, Cor, JJ, YI, Brin, MK1, PF, FD, YI64
    Falco - YS, Cor, Ven, PF, BF, FD
    Fox - YI, PS, MK1, BD, PF, FD
    Ness - YS, FoD, RC, Tem, MC, FS, BB, PF, FD
    Ice Climbers - IM, PPC, KJ, GB, Cor, Tem, YI, GG, MK1
    Kirby - Cor, Tem, YI, PS, MK1, BD, BF, YI64
    Samus - GB, FoD, RC, Tem, YI, Onett, MC, BB, MK2, DL64, YI64, KJ64
    Zelda - PPC, KJ, GB, FoD, JJ, Ven, Brin, MK1, FS, BB, PF, MK2, KJ64
    Sheik - KJ, FoD, JJ, FS, BB, PF, MK2, BF, FD, KJ64
    Link - IM, PPC, KJ, GB, Cor, JJ, Tem, GG, Brin, PS, MK1, BB, YI64, KJ64
    Young Link - PPC, KJ, FoD, Cor, Onett, MC, PS, BF, FD, KJ64
    Pichu - PPC, KJ, YS, JJ, Ven, PS, BD, MK2, YI64
    Pikachu - PPC, Cor, YI, GG, Ven, Brin, Onett, MC, PS, MK2, BF
    Jigglypuff - PPC, KJ, GG, Ven, PF, MK2, BF, YI64
    Mewtwo - PPC, GB, FZ, Tem, YI, GG, Ven, MC, MK2, FD, KJ64
    Game and Watch - YS, RC, YI, GG, PS, BB, PF, FD
    Marth - IM, RC, Tem, GG, BB, PF, MK2, FD, DL64
    Roy - IM, KJ, JJ, GG, Ven, MK1, MK2, YI64, KJ64

    Tournament Version
    Dr. Mario - PS
    Mario - None
    Luigi (dittos) - YS
    Bowser - YS, PS, BF, KJ64
    Peach - YS, FoD, RC, Brin, PS, FD
    Yoshi - YS, FoD, RC, Brin, BF, FD, KJ64
    DK - FoD, RC, PS, BF, FD, DL64
    Captain Falcon - YS, PS, KJ64
    Ganondorf - Brin, FD
    Falco - YS, BF, FD
    Fox - PS, FD
    Ness - YS, FoD, RC, FD
    Ice Climbers - None
    Kirby - PS, BF
    Samus - FoD, RC, DL64, KJ64
    Zelda - FoD, Brin, KJ64
    Sheik - FoD, BF, FD, KJ64
    Link - Brin, PS, KJ64
    Young Link - FoD, PS, BF, FD, KJ64
    Pichu - YS, PS
    Pikachu - Brin, PS, BF
    Jigglypuff - BF
    Mewtwo - FD, KJ64
    Game and Watch - YS, RC, PS, FD
    Marth - RC, FD, DL64
    Roy - KJ64

    Abridged Tournament Version
    Dr. Mario - PS
    Luigi (dittos) - YS
    Peach - YS, FoD, RC, Brin, PS, FD
    Captain Falcon - YS, PS, KJ64
    Ganondorf - Brin, FD
    Falco - YS, BF, FD
    Fox - PS, FD
    Ice Climbers - None
    Samus - FoD, RC, DL64, KJ64
    Sheik - FoD, BF, FD, KJ64
    Pikachu - Brin, PS, BF
    Jigglypuff - BF
    Marth - RC, FD, DL64

    Even More Abridged Tournament Version
    Luigi (dittos) - YS
    Peach - YS, FoD, RC, Brin, PS, FD
    Captain Falcon - YS, PS, KJ64
    Falco - YS, BF, FD
    Fox - PS, FD
    Sheik - FoD, BF, FD, KJ64
    Jigglypuff - BF
    Marth - RC, FD, DL64

    The Most Abridged Tournament Version (a.k.a. You might as well memorize these)
    Peach - YS, FoD, PS, FD
    Captain Falcon - YS, PS
    Falco - YS, BF, FD
    Fox - PS, FD
    Sheik - FoD, BF, FD
    Jigglypuff - BF
    Marth - FD, DL64
     
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    Wow, this is def a cool find. Good stuff
     
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    Why does this even happen?
     

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