Luigi's Down B Starting Charged

StretchNutz

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Did you know that there are many situations in which Luigi begins a set with the ability to immediately do a rising down-b? There is a very abstract pattern that determines when this situation occurs. To quickly understand what I mean, do the following: start a set in vs. mode using controller port 4 as luigi, with your opponent being a computer Marth on Dreamland. As soon as the match starts, jump into the air and mash down-b and you will rise into the air. LRAStart and change the opponent to Fox. Go back to Dreamland and immediately when the match starts jump into the air and attempt to do a rising down-b... you will assuredly fail.

The pattern is as rudimentary as follows: for every possible Luigi opponent (even luigi himself though only the one in the higher-numbered controller port can do the initial rise [unconfirmed]) there is an apparently random list of levels on which luigi will begin the match with the down-b "loaded." I have a buddy who is nearly finished with a spreadsheet of every character and level on which the initial rising down-b occurs. I will update this thread as soon as new info comes along.
 

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I wouldn't have believed this if Rob didn't tell me before hand. Crazy that even today, new discoveries about Melee are STILL being made
 

OkamiBW

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You need to be in the lower slot. (Axe discovered this part)
Lower port meaning lower port priority. 4>3>2>1

In addition, if you are fighting in teams against say a Peach and a Mario on Yoshi's Story, then you will not have it charged. But if you are fighting a Peach and a Bowser on YS, it will be charged.

Here's a list of all the data I've got so far.

Works with these characters on these stages...

Dr. Mario - FZ, Tem, PS, PF
Mario - PPC, FS, PF, MK2
Luigi (dittos) - PPC, YS, JJ, Tem, Ven, Onett, MC
Bowser - GB, YS, Cor, PS, BF, YI64, KJ64
Peach - YS, FoD, RC, Tem, GG, Brin, Onett, PS, MK1, PF, FD
Yoshi - YS, FoD, RC, Ven, Brin, Onett, FS, BB, MK2, BF, FD, KJ64
DK - FoD, FZ, RC, Tem, Onett, MC, PS, BF, FD, DL64
Captain Falcon - IM, YS, FZ, YI, PS, MK1, KJ64
Ganondorf - KJ, Cor, JJ, YI, Brin, MK1, PF, FD, YI64
Falco - YS, Cor, Ven, PF, BF, FD
Fox - YI, PS, MK1, BD, PF, FD
Ness - YS, FoD, RC, Tem, MC, FS, BB, PF, FD
Ice Climbers - IM, PPC, KJ, GB, Cor, Tem, YI, GG, MK1
Kirby - Cor, Tem, YI, PS, MK1, BD, BF, YI64
Samus - GB, FoD, RC, Tem, YI, Onett, MC, BB, MK2, DL64, YI64, KJ64
Zelda - PPC, KJ, GB, FoD, JJ, Ven, Brin, MK1, FS, BB, PF, MK2, KJ64
Sheik - (untested)*
Link - (untested)
Young Link - (untested)
Pichu - PPC, KJ, YS, JJ, Ven, PS, BD, MK2, YI64
Pikachu - (untested)
Jigglypuff - (untested)
Mewtwo - (untested)
Game and Watch - (untested)
Marth - IM, RC, Tem, GG, BB, PF, MK2, FD, DL64
Roy - IM, KJ, JJ, GG, Ven, MK1, MK2, YI64, KJ64

*Sheik starts it charged on FD, but Zelda does not
 

OkamiBW

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I updated my post. I'll update it again in a bit. Testing more characters while watching Pokemon. :)

Edit: That's enough for tonight. I actually have all the data for the bottom two rows of stages, but I'm going to post those only when I complete each whole character's data set. Only 7 char x 19 stages more to go!
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1rLu7eqVxM

Completed.

Full
Dr. Mario - FZ, Tem, PS, PF
Mario - PPC, FS, PF, MK2
Luigi (dittos) - PPC, YS, JJ, Tem, Ven, Onett, MC
Bowser - GB, YS, Cor, PS, BF, YI64, KJ64
Peach - YS, FoD, RC, Tem, GG, Brin, Onett, PS, MK1, PF, FD
Yoshi - YS, FoD, RC, Ven, Brin, Onett, FS, BB, MK2, BF, FD, KJ64
DK - FoD, FZ, RC, Tem, Onett, MC, PS, BF, FD, DL64
Captain Falcon - IM, YS, FZ, YI, PS, MK1, KJ64
Ganondorf - KJ, Cor, JJ, YI, Brin, MK1, PF, FD, YI64
Falco - YS, Cor, Ven, PF, BF, FD
Fox - YI, PS, MK1, BD, PF, FD
Ness - YS, FoD, RC, Tem, MC, FS, BB, PF, FD
Ice Climbers - IM, PPC, KJ, GB, Cor, Tem, YI, GG, MK1
Kirby - Cor, Tem, YI, PS, MK1, BD, BF, YI64
Samus - GB, FoD, RC, Tem, YI, Onett, MC, BB, MK2, DL64, YI64, KJ64
Zelda - PPC, KJ, GB, FoD, JJ, Ven, Brin, MK1, FS, BB, PF, MK2, KJ64
Sheik - KJ, FoD, JJ, FS, BB, PF, MK2, BF, FD, KJ64
Link - IM, PPC, KJ, GB, Cor, JJ, Tem, GG, Brin, PS, MK1, BB, YI64, KJ64
Young Link - PPC, KJ, FoD, Cor, Onett, MC, PS, BF, FD, KJ64
Pichu - PPC, KJ, YS, JJ, Ven, PS, BD, MK2, YI64
Pikachu - PPC, Cor, YI, GG, Ven, Brin, Onett, MC, PS, MK2, BF
Jigglypuff - PPC, KJ, GG, Ven, PF, MK2, BF, YI64
Mewtwo - PPC, GB, FZ, Tem, YI, GG, Ven, MC, MK2, FD, KJ64
Game and Watch - YS, RC, YI, GG, PS, BB, PF, FD
Marth - IM, RC, Tem, GG, BB, PF, MK2, FD, DL64
Roy - IM, KJ, JJ, GG, Ven, MK1, MK2, YI64, KJ64

Tournament Version
Dr. Mario - PS
Mario - None
Luigi (dittos) - YS
Bowser - YS, PS, BF, KJ64
Peach - YS, FoD, RC, Brin, PS, FD
Yoshi - YS, FoD, RC, Brin, BF, FD, KJ64
DK - FoD, RC, PS, BF, FD, DL64
Captain Falcon - YS, PS, KJ64
Ganondorf - Brin, FD
Falco - YS, BF, FD
Fox - PS, FD
Ness - YS, FoD, RC, FD
Ice Climbers - None
Kirby - PS, BF
Samus - FoD, RC, DL64, KJ64
Zelda - FoD, Brin, KJ64
Sheik - FoD, BF, FD, KJ64
Link - Brin, PS, KJ64
Young Link - FoD, PS, BF, FD, KJ64
Pichu - YS, PS
Pikachu - Brin, PS, BF
Jigglypuff - BF
Mewtwo - FD, KJ64
Game and Watch - YS, RC, PS, FD
Marth - RC, FD, DL64
Roy - KJ64

Abridged Tournament Version
Dr. Mario - PS
Luigi (dittos) - YS
Peach - YS, FoD, RC, Brin, PS, FD
Captain Falcon - YS, PS, KJ64
Ganondorf - Brin, FD
Falco - YS, BF, FD
Fox - PS, FD
Ice Climbers - None
Samus - FoD, RC, DL64, KJ64
Sheik - FoD, BF, FD, KJ64
Pikachu - Brin, PS, BF
Jigglypuff - BF
Marth - RC, FD, DL64

Even More Abridged Tournament Version
Luigi (dittos) - YS
Peach - YS, FoD, RC, Brin, PS, FD
Captain Falcon - YS, PS, KJ64
Falco - YS, BF, FD
Fox - PS, FD
Sheik - FoD, BF, FD, KJ64
Jigglypuff - BF
Marth - RC, FD, DL64

The Most Abridged Tournament Version (a.k.a. You might as well memorize these)
Peach - YS, FoD, PS, FD
Captain Falcon - YS, PS
Falco - YS, BF, FD
Fox - PS, FD
Sheik - FoD, BF, FD
Jigglypuff - BF
Marth - FD, DL64
 
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