Luigi boards- Time to wake up

[zhao_guang]

Luigi metagame has been on a standstill. I made a topic like this, pointing out things to change in the game. That helped a tiny bit, if at all. But I think the real problem has been in front of us all along.

The Luigi boards may be the most ignorant, egotistical and short-sighted boards on this site. We have Polmex, who's thinks he is the Jesus of Brawl. We have WiGi who says he's sandbagging and pretty much thinks he's hot **** and just holding back, we have me, who's a jerk who just trolls topics and does nothing for the metagame, plus many more.

We aren't thinking as one unit. We're trying to discover the metagame individually, trying to look for some hidden glory by improving the metagame by individual thinking.

I'm gonna point this out right now, with the exception of maybe 3-4 Luigi mains, we're actually pretty terrible. But we have this mindset that we all have amazing skill, and with basic thinking that we can improve the metagame. We need to realize RIGHT NOW:

"Hey, we're not very good. We're getting nowhere fast, maybe we should get off this high horse , stop focusing on who's the best Luigi and whatnot, and unite to improve the metagame as one solid board"

If you need an inspiration on solid board teamwork, go look at the Captain Falcon boards. They've found true brawl combos, and tons of information, and still now, they're working as one. The Best Falcon is the LAST thing on their mind's.

We have the Luigi backroom if we want private discussion, the Luigi chatroom, and this board to work with. We can do this if we stop being so self-centered and work as a unified board. Let's ask the other boards for opinions in matchups, then use it to figure out how we can improve these matchups for Luigi! Let's play around and combine ideas for new techniques, approaches and ledge-options, instead of just relying on one-man ideas and critiques.

I don't care if I earn the hate of the Luigi boards, and all Luigi mains, because I can GUARANTEE I'm right.

Let's stop being selfish, wake up, and unite to bring Luigi up to par in Brawl!

Let's do this.

 

[PolMex23]

dude like i care about what i say or anyone else...come on now. Ignore this an all that i posted ddont mean **** i was hi sorry guys

I seem to talk mad **** when im hi....****

but im sorry, atleast support me during CoT4

 

[Eten]

what.

OK, IMPROVE METAGAME GUYS. new advanced AT! You can hit someone with your Nair right after leaping off their head when you footstool them because it comes out so fast! Potential amazing vertical infinite combo, everyone go test it out! ... no.

Just go practice and play instead, get better.

 

[zhao_guang]

what.

OK, IMPROVE METAGAME GUYS. new advanced AT! You can hit someone with your Nair right after leaping off their head when you footstool them because it comes out so fast! Potential amazing vertical infinite combo, everyone go test it out! ... no.

Just go practice and play instead, get better.

Perfect practice makes perfect, so in a sense, you are right. But if we just practice the same things we've been practicing since Brawl came out, we'll just be slowly moving forward, and not figuring out strategies and tactics to overcoming the big challenges of Luigi.

Simply practicing the same old news with Luigi over and over won't get us very far , since we aren't the only ones practicing. And with the discovery of new strategies and techs for the characters, Luigi is slowly sinking instead of rising.

EDIT: When I said we aren't the only ones practicing, I was more implying that all GnWs, Marths, and MKs are practicing too. And by perfect practice makes perfect, I meant we need to find what actually works, instead of just practicing the same old stuff.

 

[chic]

horray zhao!

 

[crewster]

Zaho is right and we wanted this thread to be a closed stikie WITH NO POSTS IN IT!!!!

 

[Jmex]

Zhao. Im a new Luigi user, and i posted a question in one of your stickied threads but ill post it here as well.

Anyway, when fully jumping, immediately using holding side b will make Luigi rise a bit higher than just a full jump alone. He rises about half to a full Luigi body length. Any thoughts on how to make this useful?

 

[crewster]

This is not the thread dude. Go to vists Q&A thread.

 

[zhao_guang]

Zhao. Im a new Luigi user, and i posted a question in one of your stickied threads but ill post it here as well.

Anyway, when fully jumping, immediately using holding side b will make Luigi rise a bit higher than just a full jump alone. He rises about half to a full Luigi body length. Any thoughts on how to make this useful?

I think that was Vist's thread, but the only reason use I could see is if you we're just below and to the side the edge, and you could sweetspot it with the Side B. (Not the wall cling sweetspot). It'd make it harder to punish then tornado-ing up or risking the UpB's helpless animation

 

[zhao_guang]

This is not the thread dude. Go to vists Q&A thread.

OOOPS xD

My bad. Back on topic!

 

[crewster]

Ok, all with zaho on this say I

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[TheMann]

I feel kinda bad because I haven't been contributing as much as I could. I guess it either I'm lazy or don't know what to say. But if anyone has any questions they think I could answer, don't hesitate to ask. Because I won't hesitate to answer. I think I have decent enough tourney experience to answer some questions.

Actually now that I think of it. Some of the most quiet people around here are the tourney Luigi's. Like me, Boss, and BigLou. Hopefully things will get better in the future, because regardless of what some people say I still say Luigi has some room to grow and get better

 

[crewster]

Come to the chat, WiGi is having a go at us.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

I've been asked to close and sticky this thread by request. If there are any problems with this thread down the line, feel free to send a PM to me about it.

 

[skyace89]

yea zhao is right we have been twiddling our thumbs...we do need to find out the opinions of the other boards when it comes to matchups(im not sure if we have a thesis on facing every character..)

i feel bad as well because i have been lurking alot and not contributing..but if i can help in any way to progress his meatgame im all for it.

 

[WIGI]

Luigi boards have the wrong mindset. this i agree with zhao.
HOWEVER.

you don't either.


heres the thing.
Everyone is looking for a new at or metagame enhancement that will make luigi better. sure. i can except this.

if you still suck at the game what good is an AT?

NONE.

INSTEAD. we should be focusing on being betetr at the game, for that wil defiantly help you win more than any AT can.

ATs wont make you beat mks, dds ect. being smart and playing better will.
The assumption and mindset of most people here is that luigi needs something to be able to beat the hard matchups.

NO.

YOU. need something to beat YOUR hard match ups.

example.. alot of people struggle with DDD. i don't. is it a hard matchup for luigi? yeah. for me? no.

samus is nto a hard matchup fro luigi, btu it is for me.

so heres i i get better. learn what i ahve to do to beat samus. learn things and methods to avoid what samus does to me.


ADD THIS TO THE BASIC SKILLS OF ANYLIZYING YOUR OPPONENT, MINDGAMES ,AND GENERAL SKILL.and you will be able to win any matchup you want.


So you need to leanr the matchups. NOT the ratios like 50-50, 80-20. those mean jack**** if your trying to get betetr. learn the matchups personally, how YOU beat x character, and more than that, how YOU beat x PERSON.


and taking waht 2 other lugii mains told me, then taking it out of contenxt, adn making FALSE assumptions about me from it. not cool. and very incorect.

 

[zhao_guang]

Luigi boards have the wrong mindset. this i agree with zhao.
HOWEVER.

you don't either.


heres the thing.
Everyone is looking for a new at or metagame enhancement that will make luigi better. sure. i can except this.

if you still suck at the game what good is an AT?

NONE.

INSTEAD. we should be focusing on being betetr at the game, for that wil defiantly help you win more than any AT can.

ATs wont make you beat mks, dds ect. being smart and playing better will.
The assumption and mindset of most people here is that luigi needs something to be able to beat the hard matchups.

NO.

YOU. need something to beat YOUR hard match ups.

example.. alot of people struggle with DDD. i don't. is it a hard matchup for luigi? yeah. for me? no.

samus is nto a hard matchup fro luigi, btu it is for me.

so heres i i get better. learn what i ahve to do to beat samus. learn things and methods to avoid what samus does to me.


ADD THIS TO THE BASIC SKILLS OF ANYLIZYING YOUR OPPONENT, MINDGAMES ,AND GENERAL SKILL.and you will be able to win any matchup you want.


So you need to leanr the matchups. NOT the ratios like 50-50, 80-20. those mean jack**** if your trying to get betetr. learn the matchups personally, how YOU beat x character, and more than that, how YOU beat x PERSON.


and taking waht 2 other lugii mains told me, then taking it out of contenxt, adn making FALSE assumptions about me from it. not cool. and very incorect.

I agree that we need to learn matchups better. I never was a fan of ratios, since those were often incorrect, or demoralizing.

But it's not exactly that simple. And we need to work together to find a strategy (or several) for our hardest matchups. We need to teach other Luigis about matchups that we're strong in, and let us be taught in matchups that we are weaker in.

By techniques, I never meant advanced techniques. I meant moreso strategies, sorry for the confusion there. But we need to practice AND work together. You can't just say "Learn matchups", because not everyone is gonna be able to learn how to win their toughest fights.

Also, what I said about you is based of something YOU posted, I think in Polmex's topic. About "sandbagging way too much" and "not wanting too much brawl attention". Not to mention you think you're the second best Luigi in Canada, and you haven't even played me. So yeah, thanks for proving my point. Disgusting.

 

[skyace89]

Edit:dont mind this sry for double posting it was an accident.

 

[skyace89]

Luigi boards have the wrong mindset. this i agree with zhao.
HOWEVER.

you don't either.


heres the thing.
Everyone is looking for a new at or metagame enhancement that will make luigi better. sure. i can except this.

if you still suck at the game what good is an AT?

NONE.

INSTEAD. we should be focusing on being betetr at the game, for that wil defiantly help you win more than any AT can.

ATs wont make you beat mks, dds ect. being smart and playing better will.
The assumption and mindset of most people here is that luigi needs something to be able to beat the hard matchups.

NO.

YOU. need something to beat YOUR hard match ups.

example.. alot of people struggle with DDD. i don't. is it a hard matchup for luigi? yeah. for me? no.

samus is nto a hard matchup fro luigi, btu it is for me.

so heres i i get better. learn what i ahve to do to beat samus. learn things and methods to avoid what samus does to me.


ADD THIS TO THE BASIC SKILLS OF ANYLIZYING YOUR OPPONENT, MINDGAMES ,AND GENERAL SKILL.and you will be able to win any matchup you want.


So you need to leanr the matchups. NOT the ratios like 50-50, 80-20. those mean jack**** if your trying to get betetr. learn the matchups personally, how YOU beat x character, and more than that, how YOU beat x PERSON.


and taking waht 2 other lugii mains told me, then taking it out of contenxt, adn making FALSE assumptions about me from it. not cool. and very incorect.

yea i should've have worded it more carefully...i didnt necesarrily mean new At's and ratio etc. but more so like utilizing ALL(or most) of our moves effectively....

for example in the beginning most diddy mains didnt find d-tilt that useful...but as of now they have discovered that it could stop metaknight's dash atk right in his tracks and that they can crawl under falco's reflector with naner in hand and d-tilt him..

when i said matchups i didnt mean the ratio thing but more like advice against certain characters.....like why is DDD not a hard matchup for you and what do you do that makes it not hard....and if someone has a easy time with samus let them help you with the matchup vice-versa pretty much...we need to help each other not bring each other down...

 

[WIGI]

You can't just say "Learn matchups", because not everyone is gonna be able to learn how to win their toughest fights.

this is one of the important thigns to be able to do to be good at this game, is learning to overcome things that beat you, overtime, and on the fly.

Also, what I said about you is based of something YOU posted, I think in Polmex's topic. About "sandbagging way too much"THIS IS WHAT THE 2 LUIGI MAINS SAID TO ME. this is why i saidAPARENTLYYi sandbag to much. and "not wanting too much brawl attention"i don't right now. nto sure why this is a bad thing... Not to mention you think you're the second best Luigi in Canada,fine. eastern canada. il beat the otehr luigis later and you haven't even played me.dittos don't determine skill. come to tourneys and place better than myself and kc. So yeah, thanks for disproving my point. Disgusting.

yeah. like i said. you took ti out of context and made false assumptions.

 

[TreK]

wege boards are creepy... But as usual you won't take care of what i would say

 

[zhao_guang]

yeah. like i said. you took ti out of context and made false assumptions.

I think cutting off half of my post to prove your point was smooth, LOL. Thanks

Not everyone is gonna be able to learn and improve on matchups quickly, if at all. That's why the Luigi boards as a whole need to unite and help each other, instead of saying "Learn matchups, get better, go" with no guidance whatsoever.

And I think you're still missing my point. You think you're really good when you're not. You're just another Luigi. I'll gladly come over there sometime in the summer and prove you wrong. I've never seen KC play, but he seems like a super chill guy.

I'm sorry if I may have misread the sandbagging part, and I didn't know other Luigi mains had said something like that. You coulda been clearer when you posted that the first time though

But honestly, get off this high horse that you're so amazing, because you're not. Get over yourself.

"fine. eastern canada. il beat the otehr luigis later"

Unbelievable.

 

[WIGI]

copied fro the xatroom

zhao

"sorry, id go but its easy money"

biglou
"all those kdis must ahve been crying"

zhao
"and i was like,"

"not even trying"

-.-





im nto on no high horse. the onyl time i ever say thta im good is when people liek you bictha t me fro thigns i didn't say abotu myselve, but ratehr just repated otehr people saying while explaining somthing. honastly im sick of you,a nd im sick of all these scrub mentalities.

 

[skyace89]

wow weren't we talking about this in polmex Q&A thread about instead of trying to see whos the best luigi help each other progress?

 

[zhao_guang]

copied fro the xatroom

zhao

"sorry, id go but its easy money"

biglou
"all those kdis must ahve been crying"

zhao
"and i was like,"

"not even trying"

-.-





im nto on no high horse. the onyl time i ever say thta im good is when people liek you bictha t me fro thigns i didn't say abotu myselve, but ratehr just repated otehr people saying while explaining somthing. honastly im sick of you,a nd im sick of all these scrub mentalities.

LMFAO!!!

Biglou can confirm for me that I was being SO sarcastic there. Thanks for umm...looking like an idiot there.

Now I think it's YOU taking things out of context

lol, Irony's a ***** xD

 

[BigLøu]

Whoa whoa whoa, I've known zhao for a while are were known to kid aound like that. We don't think of ourselves as super elite, we just like havin fun. There's not a conversation that i have with zhao that isn't for fun or just funny.


That was a joke xD.

 

[Magnumblade]

Guys seriously stop arguing this is completely contradicting the entire meaning of this thread.

Zhao you are right about having to work together in order to increase luigi's metagame but attacking people in a thread does just the opposite

Wigi (who i'm sure is not gonna post cuz he left) yes I agree that general skill is more important than a technique (unless its a super-awesome groundbreaking AT) and by working and playing and training together we would be able to look over a possible new find, correct others, and get better in general (unless it is too easy for one or too difficult for another)

everyone needs to stop freakin thinking about how another person on this board pisses them off or is annoying or stupid in any way. first step to successful teamwork is building a relationship (team or friend relation, nothing more really ._.) then we practice what we think are important combo's, basic knowledge, semi-AT (i dont think luigi really has any good ATs) as a group to build general skill. After basic then we go into more advanced stuff, and then stage tactics or mindgames (i vote hippie to teach these cuz he is good at them, or boss) and spacing and stuff. along with mindgames, then we go for the big tourney chars and try to find holes in those chars that luigi can break through and capitalize on. even if the luigi's were good, most likely an equally skilled player of a tourney char (you know the chars im talking about) would probably win due to a character advantage, thus ruining our ability to place well in high-level tournaments.

/rant

gee that sounded like some 3rd grade soccer coach's lecture to his/her team.......

I am not trying to say that you guys are bad or anything but we as a group, do need to "wake up" and start showing the brawl world the fearsome might of the man in green.

*puts up anti-flame shield* BRING IT ON IM READY FOR IT!

you guys dont have to agree with it but I believe that this is the best way to increase the metagame along with our personal skill and ability.

 

[skyace89]

Guys seriously stop arguing this is completely contradicting the entire meaning of this thread.

Zhao you are right about having to work together in order to increase luigi's metagame but attacking people in a thread does just the opposite

Wigi (who i'm sure is not gonna post cuz he left) yes I agree that general skill is more important than a technique (unless its a super-awesome groundbreaking AT) and by working and playing and training together we would be able to look over a possible new find, correct others, and get better in general (unless it is too easy for one or too difficult for another)

everyone needs to stop freakin thinking about how another person on this board pisses them off or is annoying or stupid in any way. first step to successful teamwork is building a relationship (team or friend relation, nothing more really ._.) then we practice what we think are important combo's, basic knowledge, semi-AT (i dont think luigi really has any good ATs) as a group to build general skill. After basic then we go into more advanced stuff, and then stage tactics or mindgames (i vote hippie to teach these cuz he is good at them, or boss) and spacing and stuff. along with mindgames, then we go for the big tourney chars and try to find holes in those chars that luigi can break through and capitalize on. even if the luigi's were good, most likely an equally skilled player of a tourney char (you know the chars im talking about) would probably win due to a character advantage, thus ruining our ability to place well in high-level tournaments.

/rant

gee that sounded like some 3rd grade soccer coach's lecture to his/her team.......

I am not trying to say that you guys are bad or anything but we as a group, do need to "wake up" and start showing the brawl world the fearsome might of the man in green.

*puts up anti-flame shield* BRING IT ON IM READY FOR IT!

you guys dont have to agree with it but I believe that this is the best way to increase the metagame along with our personal skill and ability.

*THIS srsly listen to this man only truth comes out his mouth..

 

[zhao_guang]

Guys seriously stop arguing this is completely contradicting the entire meaning of this thread.

Zhao you are right about having to work together in order to increase luigi's metagame but attacking people in a thread does just the opposite

Wigi (who i'm sure is not gonna post cuz he left) yes I agree that general skill is more important than a technique (unless its a super-awesome groundbreaking AT) and by working and playing and training together we would be able to look over a possible new find, correct others, and get better in general (unless it is too easy for one or too difficult for another)

everyone needs to stop freakin thinking about how another person on this board pisses them off or is annoying or stupid in any way. first step to successful teamwork is building a relationship (team or friend relation, nothing more really ._.) then we practice what we think are important combo's, basic knowledge, semi-AT (i dont think luigi really has any good ATs) as a group to build general skill. After basic then we go into more advanced stuff, and then stage tactics or mindgames (i vote hippie to teach these cuz he is good at them, or boss) and spacing and stuff. along with mindgames, then we go for the big tourney chars and try to find holes in those chars that luigi can break through and capitalize on. even if the luigi's were good, most likely an equally skilled player of a tourney char (you know the chars im talking about) would probably win due to a character advantage, thus ruining our ability to place well in high-level tournaments.

/rant

gee that sounded like some 3rd grade soccer coach's lecture to his/her team.......

I am not trying to say that you guys are bad or anything but we as a group, do need to "wake up" and start showing the brawl world the fearsome might of the man in green.

*puts up anti-flame shield* BRING IT ON IM READY FOR IT!

you guys dont have to agree with it but I believe that this is the best way to increase the metagame along with our personal skill and ability.

I agree 100% with this. Sorry for the flaming.

 

[Vist]

my head exploded trying to follow this thread. fact.

 

[skyace89]

lmao. yea... i didnt really follow wigi and zhao's convo too well..lol i guess it was one of those "you had to be there" things..

 

[zhao_guang]

lmao. yea... i didnt really follow wigi and zhao's convo too well..lol i guess it was one of those "you had to be there" things..

This is actually exactly what it was

Sorry guys, this looks ridiculous. How about we unsticky this and lock it, so it's never seen again? XD

 

[skyace89]

idk it doesnt matter to me but it builds character though...

 

[Magnumblade]

We should keep whatever this board agrees is true, delete the rest of the posts that are flames/bad

sticky this until we get the L train going at full speed :D *gets kicked for stupid metaphor*

lol i was expecting flames for my rant

*waits for the flames to come raining down on me like metaknight's feet during his d-throw*

 

[skyace89]

We should keep whatever this board agrees is true, delete the rest of the posts that are flames/bad

sticky this until we get the L train going at full speed :D *gets kicked for stupid metaphor*

lol i was expecting flames for my rant

*waits for the flames to come raining down on me like metaknight's feet during his d-throw*

LMAO i dont think you'll be flamed 'cuz you were only speaking the truth...

 

[CR4SH]

This thread is NOT something everyone that comes to the luigi boards needs to see. However valid the OP may be, it's not what needs to be on the front page every day.

If you want to do something for our metagame, go be active on the boards, post something new. We don't need another reminder that our character doesn't get enough love.

More importantly this conversation got out of hand. Started, and ended with call outs and *****ing. Lets get rid of this please.

 

[TP]

This thread is NOT something everyone that comes to the luigi boards needs to see. However valid the OP may be, it's not what needs to be on the front page every day.

Yeah, I came here to read some matchups and saw this and was like "Now THIS looks interesting." Seriously.

I don't want to judge other people and I will not make assumptions based on this thread. All I will say is you guys should have something like this. It has really helped the Ganon boards, I think.

I probably shouldn't post this at all, you guys scare me.

 

[Magnumblade]

This thread is NOT something everyone that comes to the luigi boards needs to see. However valid the OP may be, it's not what needs to be on the front page every day.

If you want to do something for our metagame, go be active on the boards, post something new. We don't need another reminder that our character doesn't get enough love.

More importantly this conversation got out of hand. Started, and ended with call outs and *****ing. Lets get rid of this please.

I completely agree with you cr4sh, but it seems like this board is not active enough that new ideas sometimes come around and i don't think there are enough people to get good metagame progress, which is of course Luigi being disliked and unpopular due to our current tournament status, so in order to get a good search force (lol? well people who actively look and update upon any type of finding that would help luigi out against the tourney characters) to work all at once at a common goal so it might be reached easier. and while I'm not asking for one or wanting to remind others, we need some kind of rally-ing thing (?) that would get the luigi board members more active and willing to advance Luigi's metagame, such as the new people who are asking how to play Luigi as he already is (I'm not saying that its wrong for people to ask about it but one of our main goals is to find something new about luigi)

experiment, fool around, go into a small tourney or group of friends brawl match thing, do random stuff that a normal luigi might think is suicide, use the green missile(don't spam it maybe cuz missing the missile will probably ruin you), abuse the f/d-tilt, stay grounded alot. but rather than escape the norm if you may look at it that way, add onto it and i'm fairly sure that something groundbreaking for luigi will be found. hey, maybe the randomness would throw a good player off just enough so that you could sneak in a win?

/fail rally/rant/explanation/general fail

*pulls out GREEN flame shield* DOUBLE THE PROTECTION!

man i'm on a ranting roll today :O

edit: twilight prince is scared *not bait* here have a cookie, any kind you want go ahead we wont up-b you while you are at above 50%

and how has a thread similar to this helped the ganon boards? not being offensive, just wondering

 

[TP]

and how has a thread similar to this helped the ganon boards? not being offensive, just wondering

Try clicking on the word "this" in my last post.

 

[LuigiKing]

Yeaaah we should unsticky this as soon as possible. I pmed panda so hopefully we can get rid of this thing.