Ah that's right, I've noticed players headstomp a few different ATs in videos, it's like another step closer to functioning as a CPU-controlled character haha. At least now I wouldn't have to worry about getting caught in Knuckle Joe's flurries if I can stun him.
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Slushi Simcabi
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This would be a considerable tangent (it's my topic so whatever) but how would you guys feel about having summons in smash run?
They could use assist trophies or maybe even have some special ones.
I'd love to be able to summon Lyn to take out a boss, or Isabelle if I really need some heals.
They could use assist trophies or maybe even have some special ones.
I'd love to be able to summon Lyn to take out a boss, or Isabelle if I really need some heals.
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This was an idea that I had posted in the Robin thread before her confirmation, so I might as well post it here. Keep in mind that I made this before finding out that Robin can use Nosferatu.
Validar
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When he is summoned, Validar appears from within an aura of dark magic, laughing menacingly. Validar casts a teleportation spell, moving himself across the stage to the nearest enemy player. His main attack is the spell Nosferatu, dealing 10-30% damage with little-to-no knockback, healing the summoner with the exact same amount. He will proceed to do this for about three times, before finally disappearing.
I imagine that he would be somewhat easy to avoid, but chances are at least one player is going to be attacked, especially if he's on a small stage.
If a player who isn't Robin summons him, he'll say "You cannot escape fate!". But if a Robin player summons him, he will say to him/her, "As you command, my liege…"
Validar
When he is summoned, Validar appears from within an aura of dark magic, laughing menacingly. Validar casts a teleportation spell, moving himself across the stage to the nearest enemy player. His main attack is the spell Nosferatu, dealing 10-30% damage with little-to-no knockback, healing the summoner with the exact same amount. He will proceed to do this for about three times, before finally disappearing.
I imagine that he would be somewhat easy to avoid, but chances are at least one player is going to be attacked, especially if he's on a small stage.
If a player who isn't Robin summons him, he'll say "You cannot escape fate!". But if a Robin player summons him, he will say to him/her, "As you command, my liege…"
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CommanderRin
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Tharja
Tharja walks/runs around the stage casting different "hexes" aiding her true love Robin.
"Anything for you... my love... hee hee"
Tharja only helps Robin unless he isn't present...
If there isn't any Robin characters playing, she'll reluctantly help
"If it aids his cause..."
If there are multiple Robin characters in combat... well, I guess we'd have to wait and see hahaha.
Different Hex Ideas:
Slowing Hex (Non-Robin characters have slowed down movement)
Reverse Hex (Non-Robin characters have their inputs switched)
Gravity Hex (Non-Robin characters have increased gravity, causing them to fall at an extreme rate... think metal box weight)
Painful Hex (Non-Robin characters have their percentages increase by 2% a second, lasting until she's attacked too many times)
Devoted "Hex" (Tharja will stay by Robin's side and take damage for him)
Tharja walks/runs around the stage casting different "hexes" aiding her true love Robin.
"Anything for you... my love... hee hee"
Tharja only helps Robin unless he isn't present...
If there isn't any Robin characters playing, she'll reluctantly help
"If it aids his cause..."
If there are multiple Robin characters in combat... well, I guess we'd have to wait and see hahaha.
Different Hex Ideas:
Slowing Hex (Non-Robin characters have slowed down movement)
Reverse Hex (Non-Robin characters have their inputs switched)
Gravity Hex (Non-Robin characters have increased gravity, causing them to fall at an extreme rate... think metal box weight)
Painful Hex (Non-Robin characters have their percentages increase by 2% a second, lasting until she's attacked too many times)
Devoted "Hex" (Tharja will stay by Robin's side and take damage for him)
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I would love that, and maybe certain ones would have hp and follow you around, not all of them like pong or mother brain can follow you around, but I can see magnus or elec man doing it
Robertman2
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I want a Henry or Frederick assist throphy. Frederick would pick up items, light enemies on fire, and shout "PICK A GOD AND PRAY!!!"
Slushi Simcabi
Smash Cadet
Ya it would have to be restricted a bit.
However, even those stationary characters could come in handy for simple screen clears or boss killers.
Shadow would be super helpful I'd imagine.
Oh yeah Shadow would be helpful, especially since they attack constantly from all directions
, in the videos I've watched, the enemies seem as hard as very hard level subspace emissary enemies, and some bigger enemies do about 30 damage with one hit! 
Slushi Simcabi
Smash Cadet
Ugh,Oh yeah Shadow would be helpful, especially since they attack constantly from all directions
Subspace enemies were rage inducing sometimes.
Specially those spiny axe things that looked like cannonballs on wheels. Bleurgh.
I'd rather get my ass handed to me by beloved Nintendo franchise enemies than those devils! At least I can show some fondness for a waddle dee if it destroys me. No sympathy for primids.
Slushi Simcabi
Smash Cadet
Actually, on that note...
I'd like to see some Risen appear in Smash Run.
A Walhart boss would be next level awesome. Wouldn't get my hopes up about something like that though!
I'd like to see some Risen appear in Smash Run.
A Walhart boss would be next level awesome. Wouldn't get my hopes up about something like that though!
Yeah me too! What if they add mage risen or the zombie dragons from sacred stones, or even feral laguz from POR and RD? So many possibilities. . . . you know what this makes me want? An adventure mode like melee for all nintendo worlds, and each level would have their respective enemies from their franchise! It would be for the wii u since wii u isn't getting smash run
CommanderRin
Smash Journeyman
I could see those weird zombie things being in Smash Run.
The entombed or whatever, still a type of "Risen" though.
Variants would be really cool.
Slushi Simcabi
Smash Cadet
I have a theory that the great fox pic isn't a stage at all, and might be a part of the WiiU's adventure mode.Yeah me too! What if they add mage risen or the zombie dragons from sacred stones, or even feral laguz from POR and RD? So many possibilities. . . . you know what this makes me want? An adventure mode like melee for all nintendo worlds, and each level would have their respective enemies from their franchise! It would be for the wii u since wii u isn't getting smash run
A fire emblem battlefield with a crazy battle going in the background and foreground, with entombed, Risen, and a conqueror boss at the end would make me faint.
ahannoush4
Smash Journeyman
I just thought I'd share with fellow Lucina fans that the Good Smile figure is still in the making! It hasn't been forgotten!
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/07/28/fire-emblem-awakenings-lucina-figma-still-alive/
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/07/28/fire-emblem-awakenings-lucina-figma-still-alive/
OH MY GOSH!! Dude you just made me faint xD. If each level had a boss at the end. . . . . WOW! That would be soo cool, and the idea for the great fox. . yeah I would love that! We need this level of creativity for this next game, it would be such a missed opportunity if they don't make an awesome adventure mode!
Slushi Simcabi
Smash Cadet
Anna could function like say... Tingle.
Spawn in a bunch of Golden Hammers or other miscellaneous items. It would be even funnier if she took all the items on the stage as payment and replaced it with a product of her own.
Kinda like the Old Kirby Final Smash but with weapons instead of food.
MasterRyan1595
Smash Cadet
I'd like to see either a mage or axe user from Fire Emblem as an assist trophy, since all Smash Bros. normally gets from the series is sword users. (with Robin as a half exception now)
Now that you mention classes, we haven't seen an archer, axe-wielder, or lance-wielder yet. I think the archer would be most interesting!
CommanderRin
Smash Journeyman
Noire plzNow that you mention classes, we haven't seen an archer, axe-wielder, or lance-wielder yet. I think the archer would be most interesting!
Or well, Virion if you like that kind of guy haha.
Actually, Noire would be more amusing haha!
*Kirby gets noire assist trophy*
Noire: "BLOOD AND THUNDER!"
Villager: "AAAAAA- -"*gets shot*
CommanderRin
Smash Journeyman
I can the see the memes already...
"And you thought the VILLAGER was psycho, kekeke"
Yeah. .. wait until everyone witnesses Noire! HAHAHA! I can just imagine her crazy cackle after someone summons her lol! I would imagine that she would be calm until someone hits her, then she goes nuts! lol
CommanderRin
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That'd be perfect.
All she does is stand around acting all innocent... as soon as an opponent attacks Noire, she goes crazy mode and kills said opponent.
Thank you for making Noire your hex guinea pig Tharja!
(Just please be a better Mother present Tharja!)
IMO I think that there should be at least two more fire emblem assist trophies, It just works so well. . .
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No love for Gaius?
He can go around stealing items from other characters or bring spawned items to you and occasionally do a strike or two.
He can go around stealing items from other characters or bring spawned items to you and occasionally do a strike or two.
L9999
Smash Champion
Smash team doesn't have any love to Judgral. At least put a Sigurd trophy to let us know they acknowledge Genealogy of War. Back to assist trophies, I could see Sigurd ride on a horse slashing people around with the power of Tyrfing. Or have that wife robber and murderer of Alvis using his Valflame to burn people and steal your wife.
CommanderRin
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I prefer good guys to NTR guys.
I'll take Sigurd, even though I no absolutely nothing about him, other than beating him in Awakening DLC
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Mewtwoultima
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Hello Lucina thread. As a person new to smashboards. I know it's a bit late, but I just wanted to say congratulations for getting the character you guys desired to see in smash bros. 4! I'm glad to see her in the game too.
I just knew she would be in the game. Many thought it wouldn't happen, but I called it! I was so happy when I saw her revealed in the trailer. I bet a lot of you guys were excited as well. I know I was and still am! Her and Robin's trailer was the best one in my eyes. (Sorry Palutena and Little Mac)
I'm glad both Robin and Lucina are in the game. I think they're very worthy additions and have every right being playable. I honestly don't get all the whining about her inclusion to be honest. I am ignoring it and it has died down a lot to it seems. I just don't get why smash bros. fans seem to get the most whiny over similar characters. I honestly don't think it was lazy in the case of Luigi, Toon Link, Lucas, and Lucina. It was intentional as they were put in early in development. And for characters such as Falco, Ganondorf, and Roy, it was because they were put in late as they had an extra month left to pad up the roster a bit more. One thing that baffles me that smash bros. fans don't seem to realize or maybe they do, they just don't bring it up.
EVERY FIGHTING GAME HAS SIMILAR CHARACTERS!! I'll give you examples. Ryu, Ken, Akuma. Very identical to each other and the equivalent to a Mario, Dr. Mario, and Luigi from Melee. Sakura and Dan Hibiki are essentially Luigified versions of said three. Yun and Yang are identical to each other. Scorpion, Sub-zero, and reptile in the first three mortal kombat games were similar outside of the specials just like Kitana and Mileena and were essentially color swaps slightly different poses. Jotaro and dio brando were similar in terms of fighting style in Jojo's bizarre adventure for Playstation with some Luigified elements. Casandra and Sophia in Soul Calibur 2 are very similar to each other. Morigan and Lilith are very identical. Of course in the marvel vs. capcom games, X-23 and Wolverine were very similar, as is Roll and Megaman to each other. In fact, they share similar hyper attacks in marvel vs. capcom 2.
I know it seems off topic, but I sympathize with Lucina supporters just like I do with the Ridley, K.rool, and Ghiraham supporters due to the lame excuses by detractors that don't want those characters in the game for lame reasons they make up (Too big, Rare owns the rights to him, one time character, etc.). And wanted to prove that smash isn't the only game to have similar characters and that it isn't a bad thing. Is it nice to see ground breaking new characters with unseen fighting styles? Of course, but similar characters have always been part of fighting games. Sometimes it can be lazy, but I think its done because it makes sense and to give that character a different gameplay style from the others that they like better. For instance, people preferred Roy's fire and slower speed and lack of tip mechanic. Or Lucas's easier to handle gameplay and controls (He's very unique and different when it comes to moves that are not special attacks by the way.) I prefer Falco to Fox in Brawl and I main him, I prefer playing as Luigi to Mario and Ness to Lucas. The similar characters are like that in their respective games, which makes sense for them to be similar. The only time I didn't like it was when it came to Ganondorf to Captain Falcon because Ganondorf has completely different abilities.
Honestly, it makes sense she's similar to Marth since fights similarly to him in awakening from all the research I've done. Just like it does for Luigi to Mario, Falco to Fox, Toon Link to Link. Which was a reason Sakurai considered making her a costume swap for Marth, but then thought it would be better that Lucina be a playable character (I'm glad he went that way myself. Expanding on an old idea you have which is the beauty of game design.) Just like how Toon link is a descendant of the Hero of time and that there is more than one Link and Zelda within the Zelda universe. I kind of expected her to be similar to him. After seeing CrazyhandMasterHand's psa of her in brawl (The 1.5 version) I really liked it a lot and made me want to see her in the game and I pictured she would play and fight similar to that version. I see people wanting Roy back and wanting Black Shadow to be playable with Ganondorf's old moveset. So seeing the fans complain about so called clones when they want those two things makes them a bit hypocritical in my eyes... (I wouldn't mind those two things happening by the way)
Of course, when new games that she would possibly star in and for the next smash bros. They would no doubt Luigify her a bit similar to how Luigi slowly changed within each smash bros. It honestly reminds me of that situation where Luigi was extremely similar to Mario, but started to differentiate himself when he started getting more games. I think the same will happen. I think of her as an equivalent to a new generation Marth. Where Marth was the one old fire emblem fans were first introduced to, Lucina carries that baton to carry the legacy a newer generation of fire emblem fans. And in a way, could be that mascot that represents a new bright future for the series and for new generations of kids and fans to come.
She's a very popular character, especially in Japan (Key word JAPAN!) Had a lot going for her that made her deserve to be in the game which many of you have said perfectly (The dlc, a female character, her huge role in the story, most popular female character in awakening, the advertisements, etc.) I'm sure there were other reasons for Lucina being in the game besides the difference in characteristics in attacks and abilities. I honestly think Intelligent systems played a big role in Lucina's inclusion. I know Sakurai decided Greninja before X and Y came out based on concept designs, but of course directors or some people aren't going to go into more personal stuff. I bet game freak had an impact on the decision to as he became one of the most popular 6th gen Pokemon ever and one of the most popular Pokemon ever among design and competitive play (My favorite Kalos Pokemon myself).
There's so much evidence that points to this. Sakurai said Mii's were put in because of the huge requests they got by fans to have them in and the fact they're a mascot and a very important figure to the new generation of Nintendo. And of course Miyamoto wanted to have Pac-man in since Brawl because it was his favorite character and because how he thought it would be cool to see such a historical mascot figure in the game (So glad Pac-man is in by the way). Lucina has huge requests going and Intelligent systems loved the character dearly and I don't blame them. As many have said, She represents a phoenix or butterfly. Awakening saved an entire franchise from hiatus or near death just like how R.O.B. saved the entire gaming industry and Video game history itself. Which is HUGE. That means a lot and you guys all know it. I didn't even know Awakening would have been the last game if it didn't sell over 250,000 copies until I read posts here. Thank goodness it did phenomenal. Perhaps it's too early, but I feel Lucina represents the impact Awakening had on the series.
SPOILER ALERT: When Reggie showed that concept image of the amiibo for different franchise it could possibly work with. Which fire emblem character was on their? Lucina! I honestly think that means something.
Marth represents the first lord ever made. Ike represents the first lord that introduced fire emblem into the 3d world. Lucina represents that butterfly of hope and that when fire emblems future seemed bleak and hopeless, the hope didn't die. It lived on! Heck relevancy doesn't mean anything for characters getting in either. Sheik is still in the game despite lack of relevancy. Heck Lyndis and Midna are assist trophies which says a lot for how popular they are, particularily among the western fanbase. Lyndis was that first lord outside of Super Smash Bros. that was introduced to the fans who played Fire Emblem 7. Robin represents the custom avatar feature which was a groundbreaking feature introduced in the previous fire emblem game for the ds (Japan only) that was expanded on in Awakening. As cool as Roy is, didn't have that same impact the other 4 playable lords had on the franchise and Nintendo as a whole.
While I think Chrom would have been cool and I feel bad for Chrom supporters, I think the reason Lucina was chosen over him because of the LONG TERM impact she has had so far on the franchise. I think that's a reason why they went with Rosalina instead of someone like toad or Bowser jr. Rosalina is starting to become a mainstay to the Mario series and Super Mario Galaxy had a huge impact on Nintendo and the Mario franchise as a whole. Look at how many recent Mario games have some of those elements that the galaxy games had with the space and star themes and some gameplay elements. I notice this with every newcomer so far, how they each made impacts on Nintendo and the respective franchises they come from in the long term. While Chrom is very popular to, the priority I feel Lucina had besides the whole Chrom not being unique enough was because I feel he's more along the lines of a Roy, Hector, Micaiah, or Leaf. Characters people really like and think would be cool, but didn't have the same impact a Marth, Ike, Lyndis, Robin, and Lucina had. It's too early, but if this keeps up which I believe it will, I wouldn't be surprised to see Lucina return in the next smash installment. Honestly, I believe they would bring back every newcomer from SSB4 as like many of the fans, they don't want to see any cuts and try to bring everyone back. I can already see the impact Lucina has had on the entire franchise itself and among Intelligent Systems. On Lucina's character bio, it provides a link to the official site for Fire Emblem Awakening.
Fire emblem to me is where Metroid was at when Metroid Prime came out on the gamecube. Not as big as metroid and granted, the Prime trilogy did better in North America. But still, it made Metroid an even bigger series and one benefit Fire emblem has is how it has done really well worldwide. In fact, the Lucina and Robin trailer was the most watched on the Nintendo Network and their inclusions boosted Awakenings sales. Which is fantastic! (Maybe it isn't right information, but I wouldn't be surprised if this really is true.) We got a Shin Tensei Megami X Fire Emblem crossover on the way as we speak!
I just feel Lucina and Robin are new mascots and represent a franchise reborn. The equivalent to a new generation R.O.B. or Lyndis (Lord of huge importance and impact on the series and someone representing an entire franchise saved) This is great guys, Lucina and Robin are that gateway to new generations of fans. I am aware Chrom had as equal of importance to the plot like Lucina and Robin, but seeing many posts here prove how both Lucina and Robin had the edge from points said about the dlc and other various story elements.
Especially among the Intelligent Systems staff.
Sorry for the extremely long post and if I may have broken any policies regarding this forum, but I really wanted to show my dedication to this thread how proud I am of you guys fighting through the tough times and to prove Lucina is not a waste of a character, but a very deserving and worthy character choice. I actually bought Fire Emblem Awakening a few weeks ago and can't wait to get to playing it when I get the chance due to college getting in the way. Now we just need the Mewtwo, Ridley, King K.rool, and Ghiraham supporters to get the characters they deserve. Especially Ridley and Mewtwo fans and I am a huge advocate for Mewtwo's return, but that's for another thread.
One more thing, another thing that already implies that She's different from Marth even though it could change is what the pro players have said about how Marth plays slower, and is more defensive based and no longer as fast of an aerial fighter. I do notice that in some gameplay vids to actually. Of course, once we play the game, there will no doubt be other difference players will notice when playing as them as well. I can't wait to play as her as she looks like a fun character to use and has that speed element I like in my characters with shades of Roy which my cousin should really like. I never was into Marth's tip blade element either as it's to technical and complex for my liking. Greninja and Pac-man are other newcomers I can't wait to main as well. How about you guys? Sorry if this is off topic...
I just knew she would be in the game. Many thought it wouldn't happen, but I called it! I was so happy when I saw her revealed in the trailer. I bet a lot of you guys were excited as well. I know I was and still am! Her and Robin's trailer was the best one in my eyes. (Sorry Palutena and Little Mac)
I'm glad both Robin and Lucina are in the game. I think they're very worthy additions and have every right being playable. I honestly don't get all the whining about her inclusion to be honest. I am ignoring it and it has died down a lot to it seems. I just don't get why smash bros. fans seem to get the most whiny over similar characters. I honestly don't think it was lazy in the case of Luigi, Toon Link, Lucas, and Lucina. It was intentional as they were put in early in development. And for characters such as Falco, Ganondorf, and Roy, it was because they were put in late as they had an extra month left to pad up the roster a bit more. One thing that baffles me that smash bros. fans don't seem to realize or maybe they do, they just don't bring it up.
EVERY FIGHTING GAME HAS SIMILAR CHARACTERS!! I'll give you examples. Ryu, Ken, Akuma. Very identical to each other and the equivalent to a Mario, Dr. Mario, and Luigi from Melee. Sakura and Dan Hibiki are essentially Luigified versions of said three. Yun and Yang are identical to each other. Scorpion, Sub-zero, and reptile in the first three mortal kombat games were similar outside of the specials just like Kitana and Mileena and were essentially color swaps slightly different poses. Jotaro and dio brando were similar in terms of fighting style in Jojo's bizarre adventure for Playstation with some Luigified elements. Casandra and Sophia in Soul Calibur 2 are very similar to each other. Morigan and Lilith are very identical. Of course in the marvel vs. capcom games, X-23 and Wolverine were very similar, as is Roll and Megaman to each other. In fact, they share similar hyper attacks in marvel vs. capcom 2.
I know it seems off topic, but I sympathize with Lucina supporters just like I do with the Ridley, K.rool, and Ghiraham supporters due to the lame excuses by detractors that don't want those characters in the game for lame reasons they make up (Too big, Rare owns the rights to him, one time character, etc.). And wanted to prove that smash isn't the only game to have similar characters and that it isn't a bad thing. Is it nice to see ground breaking new characters with unseen fighting styles? Of course, but similar characters have always been part of fighting games. Sometimes it can be lazy, but I think its done because it makes sense and to give that character a different gameplay style from the others that they like better. For instance, people preferred Roy's fire and slower speed and lack of tip mechanic. Or Lucas's easier to handle gameplay and controls (He's very unique and different when it comes to moves that are not special attacks by the way.) I prefer Falco to Fox in Brawl and I main him, I prefer playing as Luigi to Mario and Ness to Lucas. The similar characters are like that in their respective games, which makes sense for them to be similar. The only time I didn't like it was when it came to Ganondorf to Captain Falcon because Ganondorf has completely different abilities.
Honestly, it makes sense she's similar to Marth since fights similarly to him in awakening from all the research I've done. Just like it does for Luigi to Mario, Falco to Fox, Toon Link to Link. Which was a reason Sakurai considered making her a costume swap for Marth, but then thought it would be better that Lucina be a playable character (I'm glad he went that way myself. Expanding on an old idea you have which is the beauty of game design.) Just like how Toon link is a descendant of the Hero of time and that there is more than one Link and Zelda within the Zelda universe. I kind of expected her to be similar to him. After seeing CrazyhandMasterHand's psa of her in brawl (The 1.5 version) I really liked it a lot and made me want to see her in the game and I pictured she would play and fight similar to that version. I see people wanting Roy back and wanting Black Shadow to be playable with Ganondorf's old moveset. So seeing the fans complain about so called clones when they want those two things makes them a bit hypocritical in my eyes... (I wouldn't mind those two things happening by the way)
Of course, when new games that she would possibly star in and for the next smash bros. They would no doubt Luigify her a bit similar to how Luigi slowly changed within each smash bros. It honestly reminds me of that situation where Luigi was extremely similar to Mario, but started to differentiate himself when he started getting more games. I think the same will happen. I think of her as an equivalent to a new generation Marth. Where Marth was the one old fire emblem fans were first introduced to, Lucina carries that baton to carry the legacy a newer generation of fire emblem fans. And in a way, could be that mascot that represents a new bright future for the series and for new generations of kids and fans to come.
She's a very popular character, especially in Japan (Key word JAPAN!) Had a lot going for her that made her deserve to be in the game which many of you have said perfectly (The dlc, a female character, her huge role in the story, most popular female character in awakening, the advertisements, etc.) I'm sure there were other reasons for Lucina being in the game besides the difference in characteristics in attacks and abilities. I honestly think Intelligent systems played a big role in Lucina's inclusion. I know Sakurai decided Greninja before X and Y came out based on concept designs, but of course directors or some people aren't going to go into more personal stuff. I bet game freak had an impact on the decision to as he became one of the most popular 6th gen Pokemon ever and one of the most popular Pokemon ever among design and competitive play (My favorite Kalos Pokemon myself).
There's so much evidence that points to this. Sakurai said Mii's were put in because of the huge requests they got by fans to have them in and the fact they're a mascot and a very important figure to the new generation of Nintendo. And of course Miyamoto wanted to have Pac-man in since Brawl because it was his favorite character and because how he thought it would be cool to see such a historical mascot figure in the game (So glad Pac-man is in by the way). Lucina has huge requests going and Intelligent systems loved the character dearly and I don't blame them. As many have said, She represents a phoenix or butterfly. Awakening saved an entire franchise from hiatus or near death just like how R.O.B. saved the entire gaming industry and Video game history itself. Which is HUGE. That means a lot and you guys all know it. I didn't even know Awakening would have been the last game if it didn't sell over 250,000 copies until I read posts here. Thank goodness it did phenomenal. Perhaps it's too early, but I feel Lucina represents the impact Awakening had on the series.
SPOILER ALERT: When Reggie showed that concept image of the amiibo for different franchise it could possibly work with. Which fire emblem character was on their? Lucina! I honestly think that means something.
Marth represents the first lord ever made. Ike represents the first lord that introduced fire emblem into the 3d world. Lucina represents that butterfly of hope and that when fire emblems future seemed bleak and hopeless, the hope didn't die. It lived on! Heck relevancy doesn't mean anything for characters getting in either. Sheik is still in the game despite lack of relevancy. Heck Lyndis and Midna are assist trophies which says a lot for how popular they are, particularily among the western fanbase. Lyndis was that first lord outside of Super Smash Bros. that was introduced to the fans who played Fire Emblem 7. Robin represents the custom avatar feature which was a groundbreaking feature introduced in the previous fire emblem game for the ds (Japan only) that was expanded on in Awakening. As cool as Roy is, didn't have that same impact the other 4 playable lords had on the franchise and Nintendo as a whole.
While I think Chrom would have been cool and I feel bad for Chrom supporters, I think the reason Lucina was chosen over him because of the LONG TERM impact she has had so far on the franchise. I think that's a reason why they went with Rosalina instead of someone like toad or Bowser jr. Rosalina is starting to become a mainstay to the Mario series and Super Mario Galaxy had a huge impact on Nintendo and the Mario franchise as a whole. Look at how many recent Mario games have some of those elements that the galaxy games had with the space and star themes and some gameplay elements. I notice this with every newcomer so far, how they each made impacts on Nintendo and the respective franchises they come from in the long term. While Chrom is very popular to, the priority I feel Lucina had besides the whole Chrom not being unique enough was because I feel he's more along the lines of a Roy, Hector, Micaiah, or Leaf. Characters people really like and think would be cool, but didn't have the same impact a Marth, Ike, Lyndis, Robin, and Lucina had. It's too early, but if this keeps up which I believe it will, I wouldn't be surprised to see Lucina return in the next smash installment. Honestly, I believe they would bring back every newcomer from SSB4 as like many of the fans, they don't want to see any cuts and try to bring everyone back. I can already see the impact Lucina has had on the entire franchise itself and among Intelligent Systems. On Lucina's character bio, it provides a link to the official site for Fire Emblem Awakening.
Fire emblem to me is where Metroid was at when Metroid Prime came out on the gamecube. Not as big as metroid and granted, the Prime trilogy did better in North America. But still, it made Metroid an even bigger series and one benefit Fire emblem has is how it has done really well worldwide. In fact, the Lucina and Robin trailer was the most watched on the Nintendo Network and their inclusions boosted Awakenings sales. Which is fantastic! (Maybe it isn't right information, but I wouldn't be surprised if this really is true.) We got a Shin Tensei Megami X Fire Emblem crossover on the way as we speak!
I just feel Lucina and Robin are new mascots and represent a franchise reborn. The equivalent to a new generation R.O.B. or Lyndis (Lord of huge importance and impact on the series and someone representing an entire franchise saved) This is great guys, Lucina and Robin are that gateway to new generations of fans. I am aware Chrom had as equal of importance to the plot like Lucina and Robin, but seeing many posts here prove how both Lucina and Robin had the edge from points said about the dlc and other various story elements.
Especially among the Intelligent Systems staff.
Sorry for the extremely long post and if I may have broken any policies regarding this forum, but I really wanted to show my dedication to this thread how proud I am of you guys fighting through the tough times and to prove Lucina is not a waste of a character, but a very deserving and worthy character choice. I actually bought Fire Emblem Awakening a few weeks ago and can't wait to get to playing it when I get the chance due to college getting in the way. Now we just need the Mewtwo, Ridley, King K.rool, and Ghiraham supporters to get the characters they deserve. Especially Ridley and Mewtwo fans and I am a huge advocate for Mewtwo's return, but that's for another thread.
One more thing, another thing that already implies that She's different from Marth even though it could change is what the pro players have said about how Marth plays slower, and is more defensive based and no longer as fast of an aerial fighter. I do notice that in some gameplay vids to actually. Of course, once we play the game, there will no doubt be other difference players will notice when playing as them as well. I can't wait to play as her as she looks like a fun character to use and has that speed element I like in my characters with shades of Roy which my cousin should really like. I never was into Marth's tip blade element either as it's to technical and complex for my liking. Greninja and Pac-man are other newcomers I can't wait to main as well. How about you guys? Sorry if this is off topic...
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What's does NTR guys stand for?
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And then Alvis brutally burns Sigurd to death.
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No thanks, I'll stick with Tharja and Noire, Sigurd too because he seems cool.
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Funny, but Arvis actually fell into Manfroy's trap. Yes he stole his wife and murdered Sigurd, but that was all planned by Manfroy. Which means that he is not a complete bad guy. Also, before he faces Seliph, he gives Tyrfing to someone to keep it safe until Seliph finds it because he realized that he was being manipulated by Manfroy and there was no way to apologise for Sigurd's death. All in all, he knew that death was coming for him and so was prepared for it. Almost the whole plot of the game was planned by Manfroy.
Anyway, I'd like to see either Sigurd, Arvis, Seliph or Leif.
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Well, back to assist trophies, Sigurd could work, Tharja can do some kind of dark magic, and personally, I don't see the problem with her outfit, she can be in.
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Seriously? No problem at all?
I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. She is essentially wearing a skin-tight see-through robe with a bra and belt-skirt. Unless her design was censored to a reasonable degree, her inclusion would be entirely inappropriate.
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Seriously? No problem at all?
So how do you explain Zero-Suit's situation?
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Thanks for taking the time to let us know how you feel! You've clearly done your research and your post was a pleasure to read. I agree with more or less everything you said.
The backlash revolved around a couple of points that were blown out of proportion:
- That she is a clone and everyone wanted clones to no longer exist (and the misconception that she "took a slot" from another possible character)
- That Sakurai supposedly contradicted himself by saying that Chrom would have been "another plain-old swordfighter" and included Lucina despite this
The first point is somewhat reasonable; who doesn't want every character to have a unique moveset? However, her clone status is made complex by her origin as a costume for Marth. She was not built to be a clone; she was built to be a costume and then given her own slot and different properties. Most people didn't grasp the effect that this fact should have had on their attitude towards her inclusion; they were essentially arguing that us being given more options and Lucina's fanbase being very happy were bad things.
tl;dr: She is a clone, but she is also different to other clones because of her origins. She is an exceptional case - a "lucky newcomer" - and not a return to the rush of clone inclusions we got in Melee.
The second point is less reasonable. In terms of character archetypes and raw moveset potential, both Lucina and Chrom qualify as "plain-old swordfighters". Heck, Lucina was literally built to share every attack and animation with another "plain-old swordfighter". Her inclusion does not contradict his statement for this reason. She was given the green light for inclusion as a costume because of her immense popularity and because of her ties to Marth as established within Awakening (not to mention that she'd be the first female Fire Emblem rep); Chrom, on the other hand, is just not as popular or as closely tied to Marth. Choosing her over Chrom for the role of Marth's alternate costume was the obvious one.
From there, it was just a matter of seeing an opportunity to change her properties slightly and give her an individual slot, thereby providing us with an additional option we would not have had originally and avoiding issues with keeping play records (which would arise if Lucina and Marth shared the same slot). This is a win-win situation that should not negatively impact how people view her inclusion; she did not prevent another character from being included and being given her own slot does not represent a contradiction on Sakurai's part (for not including Chrom). It'd be nice if people had realised this before detracting from her legitimacy as a newcomer.
Anyway, that's what I have to say regarding it. I'm confident that my views on her inclusion are right and I'm hyped as heck to play her on release.
I agree with more or less everything you said.The backlash revolved around a couple of points that were blown out of proportion:
- That she is a clone and everyone wanted clones to no longer exist (and the misconception that she "took a slot" from another possible character)
- That Sakurai supposedly contradicted himself by saying that Chrom would have been "another plain-old swordfighter" and included Lucina despite this
The first point is somewhat reasonable; who doesn't want every character to have a unique moveset? However, her clone status is made complex by her origin as a costume for Marth. She was not built to be a clone; she was built to be a costume and then given her own slot and different properties. Most people didn't grasp the effect that this fact should have had on their attitude towards her inclusion; they were essentially arguing that us being given more options and Lucina's fanbase being very happy were bad things.
tl;dr: She is a clone, but she is also different to other clones because of her origins. She is an exceptional case - a "lucky newcomer" - and not a return to the rush of clone inclusions we got in Melee.
The second point is less reasonable. In terms of character archetypes and raw moveset potential, both Lucina and Chrom qualify as "plain-old swordfighters". Heck, Lucina was literally built to share every attack and animation with another "plain-old swordfighter". Her inclusion does not contradict his statement for this reason. She was given the green light for inclusion as a costume because of her immense popularity and because of her ties to Marth as established within Awakening (not to mention that she'd be the first female Fire Emblem rep); Chrom, on the other hand, is just not as popular or as closely tied to Marth. Choosing her over Chrom for the role of Marth's alternate costume was the obvious one.
From there, it was just a matter of seeing an opportunity to change her properties slightly and give her an individual slot, thereby providing us with an additional option we would not have had originally and avoiding issues with keeping play records (which would arise if Lucina and Marth shared the same slot). This is a win-win situation that should not negatively impact how people view her inclusion; she did not prevent another character from being included and being given her own slot does not represent a contradiction on Sakurai's part (for not including Chrom). It'd be nice if people had realised this before detracting from her legitimacy as a newcomer.
Anyway, that's what I have to say regarding it. I'm confident that my views on her inclusion are right and I'm hyped as heck to play her on release.
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