Lucas is way too misunderstood.

[Timbers]

If timber's point is that Lucas doesn't have safe moves that's not really true at all. Dair is an extremely safe move to use because very few things hit through it from below. The opponent can only hit through it from the side or from above which can almost always be avoided with good spacing. Ftilt is safe because of vertical and horizontal spacing and the fact that it's fast enough to be safe against shields. Honestly, that and his jabs are about all he needs defensively. Nair is great for punishing out of shield since it's faster than his shieldgrab and cuts through shields as well. If I can outcamp someone I can usually beat them. The only exceptions are like Marth, Game and Watch and Metaknight. They take a lot more work. Lucas works defensively.

this is not what I was talking about.

i think timbers point was that his moves are linear and they don't really have priority in some important angles. his moves don't really have any arc or anything. they just go in one direction. you can't fair when you are 45 degrees above an opponent and expect to get a hit, while you can do so with marth most of the higher tiers. dair is the same, while it has loads of priority when you're under him, if you are to the side, then you can expect to be outprioritized. his utilt doesn't reach far in front of him. things like that. if that isn't his point then i am mistaken, and it is my point lol

this is.

 

[Ryusenka]

I enjoy winning as Lucas...

as do I!

On topic: I agree to the fact that a lot of people think of Lucas as a "Weak Character".
In my opinion, nobody on Smash Bros is really a "Weak Character", you just need to
know how to use them.

 

[_clinton]

I find it funny that people have that issue with Lucas...plenty of other characters even in the high high tiers have blind spot issues as well.

 

[mars16]

Iv noticed that how lucas and luigi is cowerds and mario and ness are not

 

[Luur3]

Iv noticed that how lucas and luigi is cowerds and mario and ness are not

Lucas is a kid though. He's got a semi-excuse

Luigi is scared of Waddle-Dee, and is a grown man. Heehee

 

[Neon Ness]

Oh yeah. Luigi is coward.

That's why he went into a ghoul infested mansion alone to save Mario from certain death.

But seriously, what is this thread even about?

 

[PhoenixAlpha]

It's about Lucas being underrated.
Not many of us agree with that statement.

That about sums it up.

 

[_clinton]

Neon: Just some advice for you. I wouldn't use Luigi's Mansion as a postitive reference for Weegee in any way, shape, or form. The whole fact that he thought he won a mansion in a contest he didn't even enter and falls for it when he and his bother are #1 and 2 on Bowser's/anything that isn't related to the MK's hit list shows just how smart he is...

 

[PhoenixAlpha]

Neon: Just some advice for you. I wouldn't use Luigi's Mansion as a postitive reference for Weegee in any way, shape, or form. The whole fact that he thought he won a mansion in a contest he didn't even enter and falls for it when he and his bother are #1 and 2 on Bowser's/anything that isn't related to the MK's hit list shows just how smart he is...

yeah... but...

Luigi has SHORYUKEN!!!

 

[_clinton]

He's Ken...so what? ^_^

 

[Chris is me]

Sorry if this has been said before

Nobody really understands lucas unless they saw his potential from the very start. One of the main reasons is because NOBODY knows about his game therefore nobody would have any reason to get excited to play as him. I was talking too my friend who absolutly hates lucas and he told me the reason he hates him is because he doesn't like his haircut. WTF!

Huh?

But if you look at his moveset he a very powerful opponent.

You're in the Lucas forum. Kind of preaching to the choir but go on.

His upsmash can kill very easily if it hits

And if it doesn't? Lucas gets punished. Having a ridiculous upsmash alone doesn't get you anywhere, especially with lag, otehrwise Ivysaur would be Top Tier.

PSI magnet works as a sort of quick run plus it does damage

"Quick" is the last word I'd use to describe the move, how exactly do you run with it?

waveboucing, zap jumping,

I've never really needed to wavebounce, but yes zap jumping gives him nearly infinite vertical recovery.

Yet nobody chose him as the first character they played in brawl just because they didn't know who he was.

Do a lot of people know what ROB is, where he's from, and what games he appeared in? There are other reasons people didn't pick up Lucas, such as any of his flaws.

In my opinion lucas could tear through a tournement if put in the right hands

That technically applies to basically any character, but Lucas isn't going to have an easy time fighting Marth, a staple in tournaments.

but the problem is almost nobody would actually try! he has a very great recovery, able to restore damage, a reflector attack,

His bat isn't really fast enough to reliably throw back projectiles.

and a very very good defensive game. anyways now that that is out of my system, what do you guys think? Do you think lucas is underrated?

A little bit, but not for the reasons you gave.

Now then.

 

[M-GOD]

Underrated? Yes. Nice haircut? You bet your ***. But he won't get better unless he starts winning tourneys or least people stop going MK and Ike for two seconds.

 

[Brinzy]

Ike? Last time I checked, Ike dropped in popularity.

Also, I think I've seen this thread elsewhere. You know, like on other F-tier and below boards.

 

[ZMan]

Ike is good fighting with is friends but not good fighting for his friends, thats his downfall.

 

[ChozoAce]

well its his preference honestly if he doesnt like a character cuz of the way he looks o well, its another thing if he says "LUCAS SUCKS LOLOLOL" then u kick his *** and show him whose boss. I chose my 2 mains (ness and ike) cuz ness looks cool and i know ike cuz i played Fire emblem: Path of raidience.

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

Also, I think I've seen this thread elsewhere. You know, like on other F-tier and below boards.

lol.
too goodz

Ike is good fighting with is friends but not good fighting for his friends, thats his downfall.

nah son. ike is a good CP character. see him on pirate ship.

 

[Booseter Seat]

But you see, it's good to be underrated. Then people have no idea what Lucas can do and let their guard down.

We do need to win more tourneys though.

I agree. We haven't seen Lucas as a popular character in Brawl for a lot of reasons, and this is probably because of how underrated he really is. I think the only ones who understand Lucas are the ones who main him, and the players who don't, but are beaten by him and see his true potential. While it's a bad thing to see all this, especially the drop in the tier list, we do have an advantage and a chance to prove what Lucas can do.

 

[Dxt XXII]

Lucas got a really bad rep when all the deathgrab and grab release techs were released. That still haunts him.

Btw Booster Seat, Welcome to the Lucas Boards!

 

[lil cj]

Welcome to the Lucas boards Booseter Seat
Cool another Lucas main!

 

[_clinton]

Ike? Last time I checked, Ike dropped in popularity.

Also, I think I've seen this thread elsewhere. You know, like on other F-tier and below boards.

A lot of the characters in these ranks aren't used that much for odd reasons everynow and then, they have a right to ***** IMO ^_^

 

[Seanson]

lucas is now above link in this season's character rankings. take that!

 

[prOAPC]

i'm the only one who gave Lucas some points :S
i'll give him more on feb

 

[ZMan]

There hasn't been any tournies in Albuquerque I have to resort to running my own tourny to get Lucas some points.

 

[S.D]

Ima play Lucas in a largish tournament on Saturday, wish me luck

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

GL.

10top8's

 

[Dxt XXII]

No tournies in my area for months... I hope there's one soon.

GL S.D

 

[_clinton]

GL Star Fox (SD)

 

[Chuee]

GL
My area doesnt havee tournies at all but the closest is in Louisville (2 hours away) so i might go to one of those when im open.

 

[Neon Ness]

Good luck, S.D.

Don't get grabbed.

 

[Brinzy]

Good luck.

A lot of the characters in these ranks aren't used that much for odd reasons everynow and then, they have a right to ***** IMO ^_^

It's more like an "every time" thing.

 

[Irsic]

Good luck.



It's more like an "every time" thing.

Except, not.

 

[Yuukon]

I basicly picked up Lucas after mained Ness in SSBM but here it didn't feel the same, Lucas is way better imo....

But it's hard to find some nice opponents, everyone on the random WiFi brawl sucks. Maybe I should start playing with FC ;-)

 

[Neon Ness]

I basicly picked up Lucas after mained Ness in SSBM but here it didn't feel the same, Lucas is way better imo....

But it's hard to find some nice opponents, everyone on the random WiFi brawl sucks. Maybe I should start playing with FC ;-)

Do that, also play people in real life if possible, at or above your skill level. Nothing beats offline play... But if Wifi is all you have, it's not a great deal worse. Just PM random folk and ask 'em to brawl, seeing as the Friend Finder is down...

I'm tempted to ask why you think Lucas is "way better" than Ness, but I won't, because, simply put, it would be moronic.

 

[Irsic]

I truly believe the best bet for finding people to play online is through AiB. So, head over to www.allisbrawl.com and find people to play in Free Play.

 

[S.D]

Sorry guys, i only managed 5th at the tourney with Lucas, my worst tourney result ever Tbh I was a lot more focused on Melee and by the end of the day I just wasn't in the right head space for finals.

Tripping is ****ed. Also the tournament wasn't as big as anticipated but the result should contribute something surely? Which thread do i post the results in to have them counted? I don't normally do that sort of thing but I'll make an exception this time around because I wub all you Lucas' and building up his rep <3

 

[Irsic]

Nice job, S.D.

I hope I'm able to make results like that happen this summer.

 

[prOAPC]

5th out of...?
go to the ranking list now!

 

[Panix]

If lucas and ness had a different recovery, they would be better. that recovery sets them up to easily to be gimped.

 

[PhoenixAlpha]

If lucas and ness had a different recovery, they would be better. that recovery sets them up to easily to be gimped.

Use zap jump. That is all.

EDIT: Oh, and S.D., if you say "out of 5," you will be punched in the kidneys.

 

[Dxt XXII]

If lucas and ness had a different recovery, they he would be better. that recovery sets them up to easily to be gimped.

Lucas has a way better recovery than ness. He has the tether, zap jump, magnet pull, ect. Most of the times you won't even need pkt2 to recover.