Lucario - 1.0.6/1.0.3 Patch Notes

[Pentao]

If they were to adjust customs...

Snaring Aura Sphere needs reduced end lag after firing. Severely reduced.

ExtremeSpeed Attack needs to be MUCH stronger.

Ride the Wind should produce a wind box.

Glancing Counter needs either more shield push or more shield stun, or just less recovery in general.

Stunning Double Team needs to stun longer at lower percents.

Advancing Force Palm needs to be either faster or stronger.

Long-Distance Force Palm needs to be faster or as strong as default Force Palm so that it's a trade off of speed for range and power.

 

[SmashRacer]

I have finshed a chart to show KO percents for all of his moves on Mario from the center of FD at 0% and at 190%, so it can be tested when the patch arrives tomorrow

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8gkwy9x8qfxlv7l/Lucario All Moves KO Percent.xlsx?dl=0

Edit: Patch has just been released

 

[Enemis]

The moment of truth is apon us

 

[SmashRacer]

I will wait till I get home from school in order not to spoil anything and see how he has changed

 

[Pitbuller26]

One thing I've already noticed, Lucario no longer gets RCO lag when he lands perfectly from an Extreme Speed. A nerf that I've noticed is that at 0%, default Aura Sphere charge is puny, like Piercing Aura Sphere levels of puny.

 

[Enemis]

At first glance it seems like his aura stacking is the same just tested F-smash at 0,50, 100, and 190 percents with the old version and the new patch. they all match up in damage output. Same with Aura sphere at 190%

 

[Enemis]

One thing I've already noticed, Lucario no longer gets RCO lag when he lands perfectly from an Extreme Speed. A nerf that I've noticed is that at 0%, default Aura Sphere charge is puny, like Piercing Aura Sphere levels of puny.

you sure about that aura charge size at 0%? it looks the same size to me as the old one. Same when he's at 190% too

Edit: sorry bout the double post, should have just edited this into the first one ^^"

Edit again: Seriously though so far Cario seems exactly the same. And if thats the case, im totally fine with that. Since im hearing some of the higher tiers got nerfed hard XD it just means we're better off

 

[Steam]

comparing lucario on live wiiU version vs not updated wii U version

-RCO lag confirmed gone
-Aura boost unchanged
-Rage unchanged
-I don't think hardly anything changed

 

[ReRaze]

Any change to cooldown after firing aura sphere?

 

[Enemis]

Any change to cooldown after firing aura sphere?

So far from what I see comparing the old version on 3ds to the new version on wiiu, the cool down hasn't changed, be it baby AS or fully charged.

 

[Zoa]

RCO? Kinda in the dark here. Is this like the landing lag glitch in Brawl?

 

[MythTrainerInfinity]

Tested max aura vs. the aura chart. No damage % changes here.

 

[CaliburChamp]

That would be terrible, as it would remove the only minor reason to even not pick the obviously superior default ExtremeSpeed.

Ride the Wind is only slightly viable because it means recovering high isn't an instant death trap, while E-speed Attack is already pretty awful in terms of recovery, making it unable to land on stage either would cripple it.

But hey, nearly nobody's using those moves anyway.


I expect pretty minor changes to Lucario, if any.

Speak for yourself! I still think Extreme Speed Attack is the better custom than his default. It's pretty dam ignorant to just suggest nobody uses other options. Also, if the ending lag was added onto ESA custom, it would kill this custom move into uselessness. It just sounds like you have something against customs...

 

[Pentao]

Speak for yourself! I still think Extreme Speed Attack is the better custom than his default. It's pretty dam ignorant to just suggest nobody uses other options. Also, if the ending lag was added onto ESA custom, it would kill this custom move into uselessness. It just sounds like you have something against customs...

Whoa what, I made a ton of write-ups detailing the uses of Lucario's customs, and I use them a ton myself. I actually use Ride the Wind as my preferred version of ExtremeSpeed. If anything I advocate the use of Lucario's customs for a match-up basis, but it's not the best idea to deny any flaws the customs have, and E-Speed Attack's low kill power, reliability, slow start up, and drastically reduced distance are all reasons not to use it. That said, I have trouble using that custom because it just doesn't feel right, so I could be missing something, but from experience (and many others trying it), it's really awful.


That said, nothing noteworthy seems to have changed about Lucario's customs in this patch and he feels exactly the same, but I haven't tested long distance force palm or stunning double team.

 

[LimitCrown]

He said he wasn't going to do more balance patches as well, or more DLC. Sakurai does as he feels, not as he says

He said that there weren't currently any plans for balance patches. That is not the same as saying that there wouldn't be any subsequent balance patches.

 

[Typhlosion09]

I'm pretty sure there aren't any changes except RCO lag removed. At least he wasn't nerfed, so.... there's that

 

[1DeadRabbit]

I'm pretty sure there aren't any changes except RCO lag removed. At least he wasn't nerfed, so.... there's that

We can appreciate that, at least.

...
Also, @ LimitCrown , is that your Chao in your avi?

 

[LimitCrown]

Also, @ LimitCrown , is that your Chao in your avi?

Yes, that is one of the Chao that I have in the Chao Gardens.

 

[1DeadRabbit]

Yes, that is one of the Chao that I have in the Chao Gardens.

Very nice! I'm glad to see someone else has taken advantage of the infinite Chao combinations. Props mate.

 

[LimitCrown]

Very nice! I'm glad to see someone else has taken advantage of the infinite Chao combinations. Props mate.

Well, I am using a mod pack called Chao World Extended. One of the mods helps Shiny Two-Tone Chao look better in the PC version of SA2B. The rereleases of SA2B have the Bright Chao glitch, which messes up the coloration of those Chao.

 

[1DeadRabbit]

Well, I am using a mod pack called Chao World Extended. One of the mods helps Shiny Two-Tone Chao look better in the PC version of SA2B. The rereleases of SA2B have the Bright Chao glitch, which messes up the coloration of those Chao.

See, I played it on the Dreamcast so I know nothing about these things.

 

[Deez1]

..........

 

[1DeadRabbit]

They didn't change the range of his smash attacks, did they?

 

[Deez1]

..........

 

[1DeadRabbit]

Not from what I noticed no.

Oh, also, Lucario is just faster In general I found out. His dash is faster

I thought I was standing farther back when I KO'd my friend with a forward smash attack...farther back than what would've connected.

Must've just been in our imaginations.

*Checking Lucario's speed now*

 

[MythTrainerInfinity]

Hi guys,
I've been doing some testing all over the shop and come up with a few results for Lucario

Buff:
Fair comes out slightly faster
Fair has a longer/extended hitbox
Fair is either stronger or just comes out faster to make it look stronger
Utilt has a bigger hitbox

For the weird stuff;
Bair comes out faster bit there is more lag after using it. It's like before except other way around with speed and lag.

Aura sphere seems to charge up a bit more slowly but not sure yet.

Still testing stuff out

I hate to say it, but I think you might've misjudged...

We are still unable to SH FAir and have the BAir hitbox right after.

 

[Deez1]

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[Masonomace]

What is SH? So I know

SH = Short Hop

 

[incrediblej]

I was hoping they would change the aura scaling to make it easier to kill and damage while lucario is at lower damage
edit: and nothing seems different except for less landing lag on recovery

 

[RT]

Are you doing these test next to the previous patch version of the game or just eyeballing the changes? If you're really convinced, share the results in the patch thread to confirm/debunk them.

 

[incrediblej]

Are you doing these test next to the previous patch version of the game or just eyeballing the changes? If you're really convinced, share the results in the patch thread to confirm/debunk them.

Im kinda eyeballing and was playing online (3ds) earlier as lucario and felt like fast characters can't get you when landing with recovery as easily and same vice-versa when fighting random lucarios btw I use pika tink and Ness as fastest characters
but might just be placebo

 

[Quickhero]

Lucario really hasn't had any changes so far, and I'm content with it. :3 Lucario is fine the way he is.

 

[User52]

He said that there weren't currently any plans for balance patches. That is not the same as saying that there wouldn't be any subsequent balance patches.

The point remains, Sakurai does what he wants, and customs have changed in the past, so it's not like there isn't precedent. But sadly, there isn't changes anyway, so sementics hardly matter lol

 

[CaliburChamp]

Whoa what, I made a ton of write-ups detailing the uses of Lucario's customs, and I use them a ton myself. I actually use Ride the Wind as my preferred version of ExtremeSpeed. If anything I advocate the use of Lucario's customs for a match-up basis, but it's not the best idea to deny any flaws the customs have, and E-Speed Attack's low kill power, reliability, slow start up, and drastically reduced distance are all reasons not to use it. That said, I have trouble using that custom because it just doesn't feel right, so I could be missing something, but from experience (and many others trying it), it's really awful.


That said, nothing noteworthy seems to have changed about Lucario's customs in this patch and he feels exactly the same, but I haven't tested long distance force palm or stunning double team.

The way you said it made you sound that way. ESA can kill though, of course not when Lucario is at low % but it has about the same power and knockback as Up-tilt and Up-tilt can kill above 100%. It's always a good move to use on platforms. To each their own.

 

[Ryu Myuutsu]

What is RCO?

 

[ReRaze]

Has anyone checked if Force Palms grab range has changed? (Although I highly doubt it)

 

[Zee'mmoro]

Has anyone checked if Force Palms grab range has changed? (Although I highly doubt it)

From when I was playing, I haven't noticed any changes with FP. I think it was untouched or barely changed, if at all.

 

[RT]

It's the same for the normal one.

I doubt the custom ones have changed.

 

[Nysyr]

Has anyone checked if Force Palms grab range has changed? (Although I highly doubt it)

I legit though this as well playing against a roomate, I was getting FP grabbed out of dash attack/grab with Falcon.