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Meta Link's Metagame Thread (Informative Quotes Can Be Found in the OP)

JohnKnight416

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Loosen up on the formal language m8. By that I mean, don't force it. I know you're around a lot of experienced players so you're trying to make a good impression, but you're kinda making me cringe lol. You seem like a nice guy though, so stick around.
Much appreciated m8! Trying to get the hang of this website definitely reminds me of how much time it took me from being a newb to becoming an experienced smash player, after learning the knowledge from playing Super Smash Bros.

So, this is an extremely useless Link tech, that still could have a use in the most rare of cases. IDK, it's cumb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le-9N3KpSyg&feature=youtu.be
I hope that this is sarcasm b/c I've actually seen this technique serve some purposes in impressive ways. Frankly, the times in which I saw this technique being used wasn't performed in the exact same way as it was demonstrated in the video, but I've have seen some creative uses with this technique. For example, I've seen Links use it when Edgeguarding by throwing the Bomb at the edge of the stage and catching it with his Dair, which can sometimes lead him to spiking his opponent if done correctly, giving him the KO. Plus, even if he whiffs the Dair Spike and his UpB isn't enough for him to make it back due to the amount of Lag he has on his Dair, the bomb that he holds in his hand will reset his UpB with its explosion which helps allow him to make it back to the stage.
 
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Stryker95

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Has anyone made a documentation of when Link's Up-throws K.O.?
That is kinda difficult when you take Rage into account as that will change when it will kill, and you have to decide what stage it is on, but I can get to work on it.
 
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SalemtheEngineer

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That is kinda difficult when you take Rage into account as that will change when it will kill, and you have to decide what stage it is on, but I can get to work on it.
I sometimes use bombs to damage myself to get to around >110% and the up-throw KOs people when they're generally at >148%

I was thinking of a datasheet that shows kill percentages with and without DI, and with various levels of rage.
 

Stryker95

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I sometimes use bombs to damage myself to get to around >110% and the up-throw KOs people when they're generally at >148%

I was thinking of a datasheet that shows kill percentages with and without DI, and with various levels of rage.
DI tends to not matter much, maybe by a percent or two for U-Throw. I am currently working on what percents when Link is at 50%, 100%, and 150% on different stages.
 
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I hope that this is sarcasm b/c I've actually seen this technique serve some purposes in impressive ways. Frankly, the times in which I saw this technique being used wasn't performed in the exact same way as it was demonstrated in the video, but I've have seen some creative uses with this technique. For example, I've seen Links use it when Edgeguarding by throwing the Bomb at the edge of the stage and catching it with his Dair, which can sometimes lead him to spiking his opponent if done correctly, giving him the KO. Plus, even if he whiffs the Dair Spike and his UpB isn't enough for him to make it back due to the amount of Lag he has on his Dair, the bomb that he holds in his hand will reset his UpB with its explosion which helps allow him to make it back to the stage.
Wellp, that's the 2nd guy who misunderstands it. When I said technique, I meant the entire thing that being.
Drop bomb on stage - Re-grab bomb with a rising full hop Bair - at around the top of the height press grab to do a instant bomb drop - re-grag the bomb instantly with a aerial jump rising Dair.
That is the technique, not the minor parts in it... But this gets me thinking, if one person get it wrong then it could just be a misunderstanding but when 2 people miss the point, something in the source must be changed. Clearly I can't call it a technique because people seem to look at the smaller techniques used to a get this... thing. I've just been saying it's a technique called "autocanceled Dair with bomb". Clearly this is not working though.

So what should I call it? A move? A combination?
I'm not being sassy here, I'm really wondering what a combination of techniques would be called.
Sorry for making a fuss out of nothing

Also sorry if anyone noticed this note changing a lot under a short time, something dumb happened.
 
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ZSaberLink

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Link's tipper 1 FSmash has the same disadvantage state as Link's Jab 3 (-19 on shield drop, -26 on out of shield)? That's kind of surprising.
 

JohnKnight416

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I wouldn't worry about that. Stryker has it covered.
Even so, I'll still be working on it anyways, just because I want to and that I personally like to do this sort of experimenting and research. Especially if it mainly involves discovering more about my main.
 
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ZSaberLink

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Btw, I've been noticing that Dash Attack has some pretty good aerial range. It definitely catches some folks offguard when you hit them with a dash attack while you're in the air. Yay, the move isn't totally useless (outside of Nair -> Dash Attack).
 

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Btw, I've been noticing that Dash Attack has some pretty good aerial range. It definitely catches some folks offguard when you hit them with a dash attack while you're in the air. Yay, the move isn't totally useless (outside of Nair -> Dash Attack).
Yes, if you read a short hop it's key to take sets sometimes (playing link is a risk, might as well take risks)
 

SalemtheEngineer

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Yes, if you read a short hop it's key to take sets sometimes (playing link is a risk, might as well take risks)
Sometimes when the opponent is offstage and you run towards the ledge you can do a dash attack and KO them. Of course that's only when they don't expect a dash attack.
 

Stryker95

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Link's Up-Throw Kill Percents
Percents in Spoilers are Link's. Kill percents were found by raising the opponents damage by 5% increments by using bombs, percent shown is earliest 5%. Bowser Jr. is done in the same manner, but due to the Cart, percents will not always be in a 5% increment.
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 160%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 145%
Smashville 140%
Final Destination 140%
Town and City 135%
Battlefield 130%
Smashville 125%
Final Destination 125%
Town and City 120%
Battlefield 190%
Smashville 180%
Final Destination 180%
Town and City 175%
Battlefield 185%
Smashville 175%
Final Destination 175%
Town and City 170%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 160%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 150%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
Town and City 140%
Battlefield 184%
Smashville 178%
Final Destination 178%
Town and City 167%
Battlefield 178%
Smashville 173%
Final Destination 173%
Town and City 167%
Battlefield 161%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 148%
Battlefield 148%
Smashville 136%
Final Destination 136%
Town and City 130%
Battlefield 185%
Smashville 175%
Final Destination 175%
Town and City 170%
Battlefield 180%
Smashville 170%
Final Destination 170%
Town and City 165%
Battlefield 160%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 145%
Smashville 140%
Final Destination 140%
Town and City 135%
Battlefield 180%
Smashville 170%
Final Destination 170%
Town and City 165%
Battlefield 175%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 160%
Battlefield 155%
Smashville 150%
Final Destination 150%
Town and City 145%
Battlefield 140%
Smashville 135%
Final Destination 135%
Town and City 130%
Battlefield 180%
Smashville 170%
Final Destination 170%
Town and City 165%
Battlefield 175%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 160%
Battlefield 155%
Smashville 150%
Final Destination 150%
Town and City 145%
Battlefield 140%
Smashville 135%
Final Destination 135%
Town and City 125%
Battlefield 185%
Smashville 175%
Final Destination 175%
Town and City 170%
Battlefield 180%
Smashville 170%
Final Destination 170%
Town and City 165%
Battlefield 160%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 145%
Smashville 140%
Final Destination 140%
Town and City 135%
Battlefield 175%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 160%
Battlefield 170%
Smashville 160%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 155%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
Town and City 140%
Battlefield 140%
Smashville 130%
Final Destination 130%
Town and City 125%
Battlefield 170%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 160%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 150%
Smashville 140%
Final Destination 140%
Town and City 135%
Battlefield 135%
Smashville 130%
Final Destination 130%
Town and City 125%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 160%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 160%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 150%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
Town and City 140%
Battlefield 135%
Smashville 130%
Final Destination 130%
Town and City 125%
Battlefield 195%
Smashville 185%
Final Destination 185%
Town and City 180%
Battlefield 190%
Smashville 180%
Final Destination 180%
Town and City 175%
Battlefield 175%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 155%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
Town and City 140%
Battlefield 170%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 160%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 160%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 150%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
Town and City 140%
Battlefield 135%
Smashville 130%
Final Destination 130%
Town and City 125%
Battlefield 175%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 160%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 160%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 150%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
Town and City 140%
Battlefield 135%
Smashville 130%
Final Destination 130%
Town and City 125%
Battlefield 160%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 155%
Smashville 150%
Final Destination 150%
Town and City 145%
Battlefield 140%
Smashville 135%
Final Destination 135%
Town and City 130%
Battlefield 125%
Smashville 120%
Final Destination 120%
Town and City 115%
Battlefield 155%
Smashville 150%
Final Destination 150%
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Battlefield 150%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
Town and City 140%
Battlefield 135%
Smashville 130%
Final Destination 130%
Town and City 125%
Battlefield 125%
Smashville 115%
Final Destination 115%
Town and City 115%
Battlefield 140%
Smashville 140%
Final Destination 140%
Town and City 135%
Battlefield 140%
Smashville 135%
Final Destination 135%
Town and City 130%
Battlefield 130%
Smashville 120%
Final Destination 120%
Town and City 115%
Battlefield 115%
Smashville 110%
Final Destination 110%
Town and City 105%
Battlefield 185%
Smashville 180%
Final Destination 180%
Town and City 175%
Battlefield 180%
Smashville 170%
Final Destination 170%
Town and City 165%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 145%
Smashville 140%
Final Destination 140%
Town and City 135%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 155%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
Town and City 145%
Battlefield 140%
Smashville 135%
Final Destination 135%
Town and City 130%
Battlefield 130%
Smashville 120%
Final Destination 120%
Town and City 115%
Battlefield 185%
Smashville 175%
Final Destination 175%
Town and City 170%
Battlefield 180%
Smashville 170%
Final Destination 170%
Town and City 165%
Battlefield 160%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 145%
Smashville 140%
Final Destination 140%
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Battlefield 140%
Smashville 135%
Final Destination 135%
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Battlefield 135%
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Final Destination 130%
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Battlefield 120%
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Final Destination 115%
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Battlefield 110%
Smashville 105%
Final Destination 105%
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Battlefield 205%
Smashville 195%
Final Destination 195%
Town and City 190%
Battlefield 200%
Smashville 190%
Final Destination 190%
Town and City 185%
Battlefield 180%
Smashville 170%
Final Destination 175%
Town and City 165%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 150%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
Town and City 140%
Battlefield 150%
Smashville 140%
Final Destination 140%
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Battlefield 135%
Smashville 125%
Final Destination 125%
Town and City 120%
Battlefield 120%
Smashville 115%
Final Destination 115%
Town and City 110%
Battlefield 175%
Smashville 170%
Final Destination 170%
Town and City 165%
Battlefield 175%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 160%
Battlefield 155%
Smashville 150%
Final Destination 150%
Town and City 145%
Battlefield 140%
Smashville 135%
Final Destination 135%
Town and City 130%
Battlefield 170%
Smashville 160%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 145%
Smashville 140%
Final Destination 140%
Town and City 135%
Battlefield 130%
Smashville 125%
Final Destination 125%
Town and City 120%
Battlefield 180%
Smashville 170%
Final Destination 170%
Town and City 165%
Battlefield 175%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 160%
Battlefield 160%
Smashville 150%
Final Destination 150%
Town and City 145%
Battlefield 145%
Smashville 135%
Final Destination 135%
Town and City 130%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 160%
Smashville 150%
Final Destination 150%
Town and City 145%
Battlefield 145%
Smashville 135%
Final Destination 135%
Town and City 130%
Battlefield 130%
Smashville 120%
Final Destination 125%
Town and City 120%
Battlefield 170%
Smashville 160%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 150%
Smashville 140%
Final Destination 140%
Town and City 135%
Battlefield 135%
Smashville 125%
Final Destination 125%
Town and City 125%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 160%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 160%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 145%
Smashville 135%
Final Destination 140%
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Smashville 125%
Final Destination 125%
Town and City 120%
Battlefield 170%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 160%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 160%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 150%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
Town and City 140%
Battlefield 135%
Smashville 130%
Final Destination 130%
Town and City 125%
Battlefield 170%
Smashville 160%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 150%
Smashville 140%
Final Destination 140%
Town and City 135%
Battlefield 135%
Smashville 125%
Final Destination 125%
Town and City 125%
Battlefield 180%
Smashville 175%
Final Destination 175%
Town and City 170%
Battlefield 175%
Smashville 170%
Final Destination 170%
Town and City 165%
Battlefield 160%
Smashville 150%
Final Destination 150%
Town and City 145%
Battlefield 145%
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Final Destination 135%
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Final Destination 150%
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Battlefield 150%
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Final Destination 145%
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Battlefield 135%
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Final Destination 130%
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Battlefield 125%
Smashville 115%
Final Destination 115%
Town and City 110%
Battlefield 150%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
Town and City 140%
Battlefield 145%
Smashville 140%
Final Destination 140%
Town and City 135%
Battlefield 135%
Smashville 125%
Final Destination 125%
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Battlefield 120%
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Final Destination 115%
Town and City 110%
Battlefield 180%
Smashville 170%
Final Destination 170%
Town and City 165%
Battlefield 170%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
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Battlefield 155%
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Final Destination 150%
Town and City 140%
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Final Destination 135%
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Battlefield 170%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
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Final Destination 160%
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Battlefield 150%
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Final Destination 145%
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Smashville 130%
Final Destination 130%
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Battlefield 175%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 160%
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Smashville 160%
Final Destination 160%
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Battlefield 155%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
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Final Destination 130%
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Final Destination 155%
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Final Destination 150%
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Smashville 135%
Final Destination 135%
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Final Destination 125%
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Battlefield 170%
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Final Destination 155%
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Battlefield 145%
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Battlefield 140%
Smashville 135%
Final Destination 135%
Town and City 130%
Battlefield 130%
Smashville 120%
Final Destination 120%
Town and City 115%
Battlefield 170%
Smashville 160%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 160%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 145%
Smashville 140%
Final Destination 140%
Town and City 135%
Battlefield 130%
Smashville 125%
Final Destination 125%
Town and City 120%
Battlefield 180%
Smashville 170%
Final Destination 170%
Town and City 165%
Battlefield 175%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 160%
Battlefield 155%
Smashville 150%
Final Destination 150%
Town and City 145%
Battlefield 140%
Smashville 135%
Final Destination 135%
Town and City 130%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 160%
Smashville 150%
Final Destination 150%
Town and City 145%
Battlefield 145%
Smashville 135%
Final Destination 135%
Town and City 130%
Battlefield 130%
Smashville 125%
Final Destination 125%
Town and City 120%
Battlefield 170%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 160%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 160%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 150%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
Town and City 140%
Battlefield 135%
Smashville 130%
Final Destination 130%
Town and City 125%
Battlefield 160%
Smashville 150%
Final Destination 150%
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Battlefield 155%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
Town and City 140%
Battlefield 140%
Smashville 130%
Final Destination 130%
Town and City 125%
Battlefield 125%
Smashville 120%
Final Destination 120%
Town and City 115%
Battlefield 160%
Smashville 150%
Final Destination 150%
Town and City 145%
Battlefield 150%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
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Battlefield 140%
Smashville 135%
Final Destination 135%
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SalemtheEngineer

Smash n00b
Joined
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Messages
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Link's Up-Throw Kill Percents
Percents in Spoilers are Link's. Kill percents were found by raising the opponents damage by 5% increments by using bombs, percent shown is earliest 5%. Bowser Jr. is done in the same manner, but due to the Cart, percents will not always be in a 5% increment.
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 160%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 145%
Smashville 140%
Final Destination 140%
Town and City 135%
Battlefield 130%
Smashville 125%
Final Destination 125%
Town and City 120%
Battlefield 190%
Smashville 180%
Final Destination 180%
Town and City 175%
Battlefield 185%
Smashville 175%
Final Destination 175%
Town and City 170%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 160%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 150%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
Town and City 140%
Battlefield 184%
Smashville 178%
Final Destination 178%
Town and City 167%
Battlefield 178%
Smashville 173%
Final Destination 173%
Town and City 167%
Battlefield 161%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 148%
Battlefield 148%
Smashville 136%
Final Destination 136%
Town and City 130%
Battlefield 185%
Smashville 175%
Final Destination 175%
Town and City 170%
Battlefield 180%
Smashville 170%
Final Destination 170%
Town and City 165%
Battlefield 160%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 145%
Smashville 140%
Final Destination 140%
Town and City 135%
Battlefield 180%
Smashville 170%
Final Destination 170%
Town and City 165%
Battlefield 175%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 160%
Battlefield 155%
Smashville 150%
Final Destination 150%
Town and City 145%
Battlefield 140%
Smashville 135%
Final Destination 135%
Town and City 130%
Battlefield 180%
Smashville 170%
Final Destination 170%
Town and City 165%
Battlefield 175%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 160%
Battlefield 155%
Smashville 150%
Final Destination 150%
Town and City 145%
Battlefield 140%
Smashville 135%
Final Destination 135%
Town and City 125%
Battlefield 175%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 160%
Battlefield 170%
Smashville 160%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 155%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
Town and City 140%
Battlefield 140%
Smashville 130%
Final Destination 130%
Town and City 125%
Battlefield 170%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 160%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 150%
Smashville 140%
Final Destination 140%
Town and City 135%
Battlefield 135%
Smashville 130%
Final Destination 130%
Town and City 125%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 160%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 160%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 150%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
Town and City 140%
Battlefield 135%
Smashville 130%
Final Destination 130%
Town and City 125%
Battlefield 195%
Smashville 185%
Final Destination 185%
Town and City 180%
Battlefield 190%
Smashville 180%
Final Destination 180%
Town and City 175%
Battlefield 175%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 155%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
Town and City 140%
Battlefield 170%

Smashville 165%

Final Destination 165%

Town and City 160%

Battlefield 165%

Smashville 160%

Final Destination 160%

Town and City 155%

Battlefield 150%

Smashville 145%

Final Destination 145%

Town and City 140%

Battlefield 135%

Smashville 130%

Final Destination 130%

Town and City 125%

Battlefield 175%

Smashville 165%

Final Destination 165%

Town and City 160%

Battlefield 165%

Smashville 160%

Final Destination 160%

Town and City 155%

Battlefield 150%

Smashville 145%

Final Destination 145%

Town and City 140%

Battlefield 135%

Smashville 130%

Final Destination 130%

Town and City 125%

Battlefield 160%

Smashville 155%

Final Destination 155%

Town and City 150%

Battlefield 155%

Smashville 150%

Final Destination 150%

Town and City 145%

Battlefield 140%

Smashville 135%

Final Destination 135%

Town and City 130%

Battlefield 125%

Smashville 120%

Final Destination 120%

Town and City 115%

Battlefield 155%

Smashville 150%

Final Destination 150%

Town and City 145%

Battlefield 150%

Smashville 145%

Final Destination 145%

Town and City 140%

Battlefield 135%

Smashville 130%

Final Destination 130%

Town and City 125%

Battlefield 125%

Smashville 115%

Final Destination 115%

Town and City 115%

Battlefield 140%

Smashville 140%

Final Destination 140%

Town and City 135%

Battlefield 140%

Smashville 135%

Final Destination 135%

Town and City 130%

Battlefield 130%

Smashville 120%

Final Destination 120%

Town and City 115%

Battlefield 115%

Smashville 110%

Final Destination 110%

Town and City 105%

Battlefield 185%

Smashville 180%

Final Destination 180%

Town and City 175%

Battlefield 180%

Smashville 170%

Final Destination 170%

Town and City 165%

Battlefield 165%

Smashville 155%

Final Destination 155%

Town and City 150%

Battlefield 145%

Smashville 140%

Final Destination 140%

Town and City 135%

Battlefield 165%

Smashville 155%

Final Destination 155%

Town and City 150%

Battlefield 155%

Smashville 145%

Final Destination 145%

Town and City 145%

Battlefield 140%

Smashville 135%

Final Destination 135%

Town and City 130%

Battlefield 130%

Smashville 120%

Final Destination 120%

Town and City 115%

Battlefield 185%

Smashville 175%

Final Destination 175%

Town and City 170%

Battlefield 180%

Smashville 170%

Final Destination 170%

Town and City 165%

Battlefield 160%

Smashville 155%

Final Destination 155%

Town and City 150%

Battlefield 145%

Smashville 140%

Final Destination 140%

Town and City 135%

Battlefield 140%

Smashville 135%

Final Destination 135%

Town and City 130%

Battlefield 135%

Smashville 130%

Final Destination 130%

Town and City 125%

Battlefield 120%

Smashville 115%

Final Destination 115%

Town and City 110%

Battlefield 110%

Smashville 105%

Final Destination 105%

Town and City 100%

Battlefield 205%

Smashville 195%

Final Destination 195%

Town and City 190%

Battlefield 200%

Smashville 190%

Final Destination 190%

Town and City 185%

Battlefield 180%

Smashville 170%

Final Destination 175%

Town and City 165%

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Smashville 155%

Final Destination 155%

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Smashville 145%

Final Destination 145%

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Final Destination 140%

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Smashville 125%

Final Destination 125%

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Final Destination 115%

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Battlefield 175%

Smashville 170%

Final Destination 170%

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Smashville 165%

Final Destination 165%

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Smashville 150%

Final Destination 150%

Town and City 145%

Battlefield 140%

Smashville 135%

Final Destination 135%

Town and City 130%

Battlefield 170%

Smashville 160%

Final Destination 160%

Town and City 155%

Battlefield 165%

Smashville 155%

Final Destination 155%

Town and City 150%

Battlefield 145%

Smashville 140%

Final Destination 140%

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Smashville 125%

Final Destination 125%

Town and City 120%

Battlefield 180%

Smashville 170%

Final Destination 170%

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Smashville 165%

Final Destination 165%

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Smashville 150%

Final Destination 150%

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Smashville 135%

Final Destination 135%

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Final Destination 155%

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Smashville 150%

Final Destination 150%

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Smashville 135%

Final Destination 135%

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Final Destination 125%

Town and City 120%

Battlefield 170%

Smashville 160%

Final Destination 160%

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Smashville 155%

Final Destination 155%

Town and City 150%

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Smashville 140%

Final Destination 140%

Town and City 135%

Battlefield 135%

Smashville 125%

Final Destination 125%

Town and City 125%

Battlefield 165%

Smashville 160%

Final Destination 160%

Town and City 155%

Battlefield 160%

Smashville 155%

Final Destination 155%

Town and City 150%

Battlefield 145%

Smashville 135%

Final Destination 140%

Town and City 135%

Battlefield 130%

Smashville 125%

Final Destination 125%

Town and City 120%

Battlefield 170%

Smashville 165%

Final Destination 165%

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Smashville 160%

Final Destination 160%

Town and City 155%

Battlefield 150%

Smashville 145%

Final Destination 145%

Town and City 140%

Battlefield 135%

Smashville 130%

Final Destination 130%

Town and City 125%

Battlefield 170%

Smashville 160%

Final Destination 160%

Town and City 155%

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Smashville 155%

Final Destination 155%

Town and City 150%

Battlefield 150%

Smashville 140%

Final Destination 140%

Town and City 135%

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Smashville 125%

Final Destination 125%

Town and City 125%

Battlefield 180%

Smashville 175%

Final Destination 175%

Town and City 170%

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Smashville 170%

Final Destination 170%

Town and City 165%

Battlefield 160%

Smashville 150%

Final Destination 150%

Town and City 145%

Battlefield 145%

Smashville 135%

Final Destination 135%

Town and City 130%

Battlefield 155%

Smashville 150%

Final Destination 150%

Town and City 145%

Battlefield 150%

Smashville 145%

Final Destination 145%

Town and City 140%

Battlefield 135%

Smashville 130%

Final Destination 130%

Town and City 125%

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Smashville 115%

Final Destination 115%

Town and City 110%

Battlefield 150%

Smashville 145%

Final Destination 145%

Town and City 140%

Battlefield 145%

Smashville 140%

Final Destination 140%

Town and City 135%

Battlefield 135%

Smashville 125%

Final Destination 125%

Town and City 120%

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Smashville 115%

Final Destination 115%

Town and City 110%

Battlefield 165%

Smashville 155%

Final Destination 155%

Town and City 150%

Battlefield 160%

Smashville 150%

Final Destination 150%

Town and City 145%

Battlefield 145%

Smashville 135%

Final Destination 135%

Town and City 130%

Battlefield 130%

Smashville 125%

Final Destination 125%

Town and City 120%

Battlefield 155%

Smashville 145%

Final Destination 145%

Town and City 140%

Battlefield 150%

Smashville 145%

Final Destination 145%

Town and City 140%

Battlefield 135%

Smashville 130%

Final Destination 130%

Town and City 125%

Battlefield 120%

Smashville 115%

Final Destination 115%

Town and City 110%

Battlefield 170%

Smashville 160%

Final Destination 160%

Town and City 155%

Battlefield 165%

Smashville 155%

Final Destination 155%

Town and City 150%

Battlefield 145%

Smashville 140%

Final Destination 140%

Town and City 135%

Battlefield 135%

Smashville 125%

Final Destination 125%

Town and City 120%

Battlefield 160%

Smashville 150%

Final Destination 150%

Town and City 145%

Battlefield 155%

Smashville 145%

Final Destination 145%

Town and City 140%

Battlefield 140%

Smashville 130%

Final Destination 130%

Town and City 130%

Battlefield 125%

Smashville 120%

Final Destination 120%

Town and City 115%

Battlefield 160%

Smashville 150%

Final Destination 150%

Town and City 145%

Battlefield 155%

Smashville 145%

Final Destination 145%

Town and City 140%

Battlefield 140%

Smashville 130%

Final Destination 130%

Town and City 125%

Battlefield 125%

Smashville 120%

Final Destination 120%

Town and City 115%

Battlefield 155%

Smashville 145%

Final Destination 145%

Town and City 140%

Battlefield 150%

Smashville 140%

Final Destination 140%

Town and City 135%

Battlefield 135%

Smashville 130%

Final Destination 130%

Town and City 125%

Battlefield 120%

Smashville 115%

Final Destination 115%

Town and City 110%

Battlefield 170%

Smashville 165%

Final Destination 165%

Town and City 155%

Battlefield 165%

Smashville 160%

Final Destination 160%

Town and City 150%

Battlefield 150%

Smashville 140%

Final Destination 140%

Town and City 135%

Battlefield 135%

Smashville 130%

Final Destination 130%

Town and City 125%

Battlefield 175%

Smashville 170%

Final Destination 170%

Town and City 165%

Battlefield 170%

Smashville 165%

Final Destination 165%

Town and City 160%

Battlefield 155%

Smashville 145%

Final Destination 145%

Town and City 140%

Battlefield 140%

Smashville 130%

Final Destination 130%

Town and City 130%

Battlefield 170%

Smashville 160%

Final Destination 160%

Town and City 155%

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Smashville 155%

Final Destination 155%

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Smashville 140%

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Smashville 145%

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Smashville 145%

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Missing: Shulk's Monados, Cloud with Limit, Mii's. I will add these when I have time.
Thank you so much for this Stryker95!
 

JohnKnight416

Smash Journeyman
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Messages
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Link's Up-Throw Kill Percents
Percents in Spoilers are Link's. Kill percents were found by raising the opponents damage by 5% increments by using bombs, percent shown is earliest 5%. Bowser Jr. is done in the same manner, but due to the Cart, percents will not always be in a 5% increment.
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 160%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 145%
Smashville 140%
Final Destination 140%
Town and City 135%
Battlefield 130%
Smashville 125%
Final Destination 125%
Town and City 120%
Battlefield 190%
Smashville 180%
Final Destination 180%
Town and City 175%
Battlefield 185%
Smashville 175%
Final Destination 175%
Town and City 170%
Battlefield 165%
Smashville 160%
Final Destination 160%
Town and City 155%
Battlefield 150%
Smashville 145%
Final Destination 145%
Town and City 140%
Battlefield 184%
Smashville 178%
Final Destination 178%
Town and City 167%
Battlefield 178%
Smashville 173%
Final Destination 173%
Town and City 167%
Battlefield 161%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 148%
Battlefield 148%
Smashville 136%
Final Destination 136%
Town and City 130%
Battlefield 185%
Smashville 175%
Final Destination 175%
Town and City 170%
Battlefield 180%
Smashville 170%
Final Destination 170%
Town and City 165%
Battlefield 160%
Smashville 155%
Final Destination 155%
Town and City 150%
Battlefield 145%
Smashville 140%
Final Destination 140%
Town and City 135%
Battlefield 180%
Smashville 170%
Final Destination 170%
Town and City 165%
Battlefield 175%
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Final Destination 135%
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Smashville 145%
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Battlefield 170%
Smashville 165%
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Final Destination 160%
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Battlefield 150%
Smashville 140%
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Smashville 130%
Final Destination 130%
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Battlefield 165%
Smashville 165%
Final Destination 165%
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Final Destination 160%
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Missing: Shulk's Monados, Cloud with Limit, Mii's. I will add these when I have time.
Which of these 4 stages have the highest and lowest ceilings?
 
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Does anyone know how many frames of blockstun a shielded bomb puts your opponent into?

I've decided that the one true way to play Link neutral is to just hold a bomb and hit your opponent with that bomb explosion while you perform a defensive option (Perfect Shield, SpotDodge, Roll, Ledge Roll) and then to capitalize on that explosion with follow ups. Its a pain but I'm working on getting my internal clock good enough that I can perfect shield every bomb I pull (cuz why not?).

I asked the above question in regards to this situation. I am holding a bomb right next to my opponent. They shield the bomb, while I react to the explosion with a perfect shield. If I grab out of this perfect shield is there anything my opponent can do to avoid this grab? (while they are in regular blockstun from the bomb explosion)
 

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A bomb explosion puts maybe 4ish frames of shield stun on your opponent, Link's grab comes out frame 12. Your opponent can do plenty, many Up-Bs OOS, spotdodge, roll, grab first, jump, pretty much anything but drop shield and act (but some characters can do that as well.)
The setup for what you are talking about seems ridiculously difficult, not just timing the bomb but also by being close to an opponent for when it explodes without them doing something first.
Edit: Consider this as well. Link's last frames of spotdodge intangibility are on frame 18, the first frame he can act out of it is frame 28. So if you time it perfectly and the bomb explodes on your opponent's shield and explodes on the last frames of your intangibility, there are roughly 4-6 frames that your opponent has over you.
 
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Yah but the fact that no one would ever shield it is in fact the beauty of it.
If I run up to my opponent bomb in hand and perform a defensive option (roll through them or spotdodge or shield) they will more than likely not be shielding get hit by this bomb and then I can get a conversion off of it.

My question stemmed from the follow up of what do I do when an opponent catches onto my jank and simply shields my bomb approaches with defensive options. If I could just run up perfect shield the explosion and be frame positive enough to grab every time then I'd be able to beat shield every time on reaction and get a grab follow-up every time potentially leading to a lot of damage or a kill.

It won't be that simple though now I need to effectively mix in jabs, nair, and spotdodge with the grab to cover every option. Thanks for the info.
 

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Does anyone know how many frames of blockstun a shielded bomb puts your opponent into?
That depends. <- The greatest of answers, and a sure sign that you're not about to like what follows.

If we're just talking about the bomb itself being shielded, then there are zero frames. In context this obviously wasn't the information you were after, but it's good to be clear about these things.
So we're talking about the explosion generated by the bomb.

But then the amount of blockstun inflicted will depend on how much damage the explosion would have otherwise done, and this in turn depends on e.g. how fast the bomb was moving at the time it exploded. In context however it would seem you are after how much blockstun it inflicts when the timed fuse runs out while being held, i.e. the least amount.

But then there's something else to consider as well. When talking about hitboxes that are disconnected from your own body (items and projectiles), the amount of 'time spent in shield unable to do anything' should consist not only of blockstun but also block-freeze (i.e. shield hitstun and shield hitlag respectively if you're more familiar with those terms). If we were talking about e.g. a normal Jab hitting a shield, we wouldn't really care about the block-freeze because both we and our opponent have to wait out the same time, and we only start to gain an advantage of some sorts when talking about blockstun, during which we continue the animation of our move while they are still stuck in shield. This is why disembodied hitboxes like projectiles are so good against shields, because the attacking character doesn't freeze during blockfreeze. To counteract this brokenness they used a different shield stun formula for projectiles to reduce the amount of shield-stun given, but it's still a significant point to bring up.

But then the context you're referring to is talking about either dodging the explosion or perfect shielding it, and I should note at this point that perfect shielding isn't as effective as you might think. The greatest advantage it gives is freeing up your standard options (minus walking/dashing) without having to wait through the 7 frames of shield-drop, but in terms of comparing a regular OoS option such as grab when used out of a regular shield or when used out of a perfect shield, the difference is unimpressive at best. This is because a perfect shield only reduces around a quarter of the blockstun inflicted. So to take an example, if Link shields Mario's D-tilt with a standard shield, he will endure 6 frames of blockfreeze then 4 frames of blockstun and be able to start his grab on frame 11. But if Link powershields Mario's D-tilt he will still endure 6 frames of blockfreeze then 3 frames of blockstun and be able to start grab on frame 10. Normally because blockfreeze doesn't matter so much, this is still a semi-decent gain from 4 frames to 3, but when talking about disembodied hitboxes it becomes a lot worse (as it would have been a gain from 10 to 9).

With all of that in place, let's look at exactly how many frames you would be able to move before the opponent can due to powershielding the timed explosion of a held-bomb where they only shield it normally.

And the answer is 1. You can act 1 frame earlier only. Granted, you can use any grounded option immediately instead of being restricted to OoS options, but still. Considering Link's slower frame data, this is a dumb idea. End of story.
 

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Thank you Fox-senpai. Your thorough understanding of Link stuff like this always impresses me.

I will still re-tool my Link play to revolve around Link perfect shielding held bombs but try and make sure that those bombs hit my opponents. Its a little disappointing that this won't be super great on shield but that won't really limit the effectiveness of approaching with hold bomb perfect shield.
 

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Yeah I was discussing it with Foxy a couple pages back, the timing is pretty strict though. Spacing wise it's pretty much perfect to bombslide up-throw in and grab to the combo
 
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So I did some labbing and found this out. Don't know if someone found this yet.
https://twitter.com/_RequiemX/status/720489450388787200
Now that's a classic Link combo, it's not that hard to do but when you throw the bomb up the shiek player will probably see the grab coming. In general I would say that a bomb slide fakeout/Fthrow or being above them and throwing the bomb down are over all safer setups for kills.
But if you want the opponent to feel really stupid then go for it, everyone will love you for getting that setup :)
 

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Has anyone recorded percents for when characters are forced to tech D-throw on battlefield platforms? (Or early U-throw or late D-throw on the upper platform?) I started taking the data but it's pretty tedious so if anyone has done it before I don't want to repeat it. Something that's mostly useless but interesting is that at high percents, forcing tech on the upper platform with a D-throw can net you an up-air tech chase kill. It's very specific (read: useless), but I thought I'd point it out.
 

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Has anyone recorded percents for when characters are forced to tech D-throw on battlefield platforms? (Or early U-throw or late D-throw on the upper platform?) I started taking the data but it's pretty tedious so if anyone has done it before I don't want to repeat it. Something that's mostly useless but interesting is that at high percents, forcing tech on the upper platform with a D-throw can net you an up-air tech chase kill. It's very specific (read: useless), but I thought I'd point it out.
From memory this is the closest we got. (Note also the post a couple of posts down) http://smashboards.com/threads/link...-found-in-the-op.379659/page-38#post-20649611
So I guess the answer is no.
 

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From memory this is the closest we got. (Note also the post a couple of posts down) http://smashboards.com/threads/link...-found-in-the-op.379659/page-38#post-20649611
So I guess the answer is no.
Ah yes I remember that. As a note, 40% is a little misleading, since it drastically changes with weight, but much more importantly with the size and shape of character. For instance, it works on bowser starting at 29, and diddy-kong starting at 39. I'll post in a while once I've collected all of it
 

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Ah yes I remember that. As a note, 40% is a little misleading, since it drastically changes with weight, but much more importantly with the size and shape of character. For instance, it works on bowser starting at 29, and diddy-kong starting at 39. I'll post in a while once I've collected all of it
Yeah that's a quirk to do with D-throw having weight dependent knockback and Bowser being a super heavy. It also drastically changes the amount of hitstun induced which is why Bowser gets out for free and why the Sheik weight nerf made D-throw combos better.
 

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I just recently watched this video that discusses further more about Bidou Tech and I saw this new technique called "Item Drop Ledge Trump" which led me to believe that there could be actual potential that Link can do with Bidou Tech after all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C48RngtqwwI
And how exactly do you intend to grab the ledge while you're Zairing off-stage?
 

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And how exactly do you intend to grab the ledge while you're Zairing off-stage?
Yeah... about that. I just looked back at the video again after being replied in the video comments and I completely didn't realized that the grab button is involved and that Link performs a Zair in midair offstage. So sorry for the misinformation.
 
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So, we can drop a bomb and grab ledge on the same time but not the way they did it in the video. But there are other ways to do similar things.

No 1. If you have been long enough in the air to be able to Z-ari to ledge and do while you are really close by to it you will be able Z-ait it while dropping the bomb, though there is a chance that you will either clip the tether or are to early meaning that you may fall to your doom.

No 2. you can drop the bomb on stage and then pick it up with a move and preform a instant item drop, but it takes too long to set up for it to be worth it. They may see it coming.

Another factor that Link have is that way that bombs send your opponents, which is upwards and to the side depending on which direction they go in. So instead of jumping of and going for a trump and all you could cover ledge with a bomb by Zdropping it as they are nearing ledge. Next up they could either be hit into the stage and stage spiked unless they manage to tech it, or they get sent outward and up which should be an easy setup for a Dair spike. Though you of course have to predict where they will go which should not be so hard if you have gotten a feel for bombs on different weights and %.

Another thing you could go for would be a tether trump which also sets up for a true Dair assuming that the opponent don't preform a wall jump at when it's best to simply get back up to stage right after the trump as they aren't able to grab ledge anymore due to Links Dash attack and side tilt both having hitboxes that reach below the floor. Or you can also right as you get the trump preform a jump from ledge with an instant bomb drop creating some nice pressure but probably won't lead to anything.

Or you can completely screw them over by running of stage holding a bomb, throwing the gamle boomerang into the wall using it's wind box to force a more linear recovery and then punish it at any point with your up-B and still being able to recover without problem thanks to the bomb giving you a boost.

So no, Link can't really do what was done in the video but that doesn't leave him without options and there are many more.
This is why I main Link, all of the options you have at all times which can make you over all awkward to deal with, while looking real stylish.

Well, that was a fun useless rant. I got some new tech to try out o/
 

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I just recently watched this video that discusses further more about Bidou Tech and I saw this new technique called "Item Drop Ledge Trump" which led me to believe that there could be actual potential that Link can do with Bidou Tech after all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C48RngtqwwI
Although the Bidou Iiem drop ledge trump won't work with Link, you could always just do this regular ledge-tether bomb drop while they recover without having to change your controls. https://youtu.be/H77cYg_-BUY?t=42s
This one leads to a dair, but I suppose you could land any aerial depending on your timing and where the bomb sends them.
It's not exactly the same, and won't work against all recoveries, but it's worth having in your collection of edge-guarding techniques. Also it doesnt have that huge transition cost.
 

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Although the Bidou Iiem drop ledge trump won't work with Link, you could always just do this regular ledge-tether bomb drop while they recover without having to change your controls. https://youtu.be/H77cYg_-BUY?t=42s
This one leads to a dair, but I suppose you could land any aerial depending on your timing and where the bomb sends them.
It's not exactly the same, and won't work against all recoveries, but it's worth having in your collection of edge-guarding techniques. Also it doesnt have that huge transition cost.
Wow, I've completely forgotten about this video and this particular scene. I guess this can work similarly as the Bidou Item Ledge Trump technique. but in an alternative way for characters with Zairs.
 
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Ok, I am pissed. So many times now have I died to my tether not grabbing ledge, even out of hit stun. Does anyone have a Link to a detailed post or document listing the frames when you are not able to grab ledge and how to recognize them? Because I can't figure it out. Every time I think I understand it I find something new that shows I was wrong.
 

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Ok, I am pissed. So many times now have I died to my tether not grabbing ledge, even out of hit stun. Does anyone have a Link to a detailed post or document listing the frames when you are not able to grab ledge and how to recognize them? Because I can't figure it out. Every time I think I understand it I find something new that shows I was wrong.
Do I assume you've read this? http://smashboards.com/threads/ledge-availability-and-why-tether-sometimes-doesnt-work.384628/
 
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Nope, I'm talking about non of those. I mean. If I just jump of the stage and want to tether it there seams to be some sort of time before I'm able to tether it at all as the tether will not reach for stage even though I know it's in reach. I realized that if I do an aerial, special or throw an item I will be able to tether the ledge right afterwards, I assume this is why I'm able to get knocked of stage and instantly tether back to ledge... Except for when I can't as the tether don't go for ledge but again, I'm 100% sure I'm in range, as I see the tether go through the stage at about half of it's length.

Also, as you are able to short hop backwards of stage and if you are off stage before you hit the max height of your short and tether then you will be able to instant tether to ledge, but that makes no sense as if I wait till just after I've hit max height of the short hop I won't be able to tether stage intill I'm way below stage. I don't get it.

Edit: I also noted that it's listed that you can get up to stage after tethering it by pressing the grab button again really fast but I've not gotten it even once.
 
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