Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time is no longer the best game ever?!

[KrazyGlue]

Note that this result may change as Super Mario Galaxy 2 is still receiving more ratings. Still, Ocarina of Time used to be untouchable. Should SMG2 be rated higher? Discuss!

Please avoid flaming and spamming.

(And yes, I realize metacritic has different results. However, I feel GameRankings is a better assessor of video games as it makes sure that its review sites are active and high-quality, something that metacritic does not. Even if I considered metacritic to be as fair of a rater, this would still shock me as this game used to be head and shoulders above any other game.)

Also lol at Nintendo having the 3 best games of all time.

 

[Gates]

The same thing happened a few years ago with Mario Galaxy 1.

Look at how many reviews SMG2 has compared to SMG1. Once SMG2 hets about 30 more reviews it'll move down.

 

[KrazyGlue]

Did it really? Because Ocarina used to be rated higher (~97.75%) than it is now.

Still, I personally don't think Ocarina is the best game ever. Now, I also don't consider SMG2 to be the best game ever, but basically I believe that it's a LOT harder to get really high ratings now than it was 12 years ago.

 

[finalark]

Ocarina of Time was knocked off it's throne long ago I'm not surprised, Mario Galaxy 2 has had nothing but positive reviews.

 

[kr3wman]

Both games only have 90+ reviews.

Since Galaxy has more reviews to count for, alot of them putting it at 100, it averages out higher.

simple.

 

[Gates]

Did it really?

Yes.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/#1/game-ra...-ocarina-of-time-as-top-rated-game-323997.php

 

[KrazyGlue]

Both games only have 90+ reviews.

Since Galaxy has more reviews to count for, alot of them putting it at 100, it averages out higher.

simple.

Is there any reason why that trend shouldn't continue?

And what of Ocarina's record? Considering that only has 25 reviews, wouldn't that make it less impressive than SMG1 with 77 reveiws and only .02% behind?

 

[kr3wman]

It's more impressive because, while not a mathematically sound theory (we are calculating averages, after all), I'm pretty sure SMG2 with an even higher amount of reviews would be lower than OoT with a higher amount of reviews.

most of the time I dont even check gamerankings lulz.

 

[Chill]

lol numbers. Nintendgs got a lot of high scores including the perfect score from Famitsu (lol famitsu). If it surpassed OoT I would in no way,shape or from consider Nintendogs better than OoT.

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

You know, for a long time I thought Windwaker was the best and Ocarina of Time was a bunch of hot gas. Then I beat TP and thought it was amazing too. This week I'm beating SMG2/OoT/Majora's Mask. I beat OoT, and I now realize why it was always held so high.

I'm sorry, but nothing can ever beat that. I can see why that is the icon of adventure, like FF7 is the icon of rpg, etc etc.

SMG2 is amazing though, it's rare I buy a Mario game full price, but I did and it is one of the top 5 Wii titles in my opinion.

 

[Fuelbi]

Eh, it'll probably earn the same ratings it's had since it's come out.

Personally though, I enjoyed Galaxy 1 more.

I mean, Galaxy was like the game that just set the bar for future Wii games (and even then, most haven't even met the standards that Galaxy set). I mean, after going through Sunshine, this game far exceeded my expectations.

Now to me, Galaxy 2 just seems like just another sequel. Why? Mostly because it can't set the bar any higher than Galaxy 1 did in terms of music, level design, graphics, etc., so in my opinion, it really doesn't deserve a higher score than Galaxy 1

don't get me wrong, the game was amazing, but I really wouldn't give it the top score. I wouldn't care if OoT got it anyways instead, since I'm not the biggest Zelda fan.

But, anyways, I predict that Galaxy 2 will surpass OoT's score.

(btw, before I get any people saying stuff about what I said about Galaxy 2, these are MY opinions, so it really shouldn't impact you that much)

 

[victra♥]

super mario galaxy is probably still riding on the hype =/ i'm sure it'll start to drop eventually.

 

[KrazyGlue]

lol numbers. Nintendgs got a lot of high scores including the perfect score from Famitsu (lol famitsu). If it surpassed OoT I would in no way,shape or from consider Nintendogs better than OoT.

Sure, everyone is allowed to have an opinion. But if Nintendogs passed OoT, that means the general consensus among experts is that it's better. So your opinion would be the minority (which of course doesn't make it any less valid).

Also SMG2 is way better and than Nintendogs, and certainly completely different. So I don't see the comparison there, unless you're trying to say both of them are inferior to OoT.

Still, I've played through OoT several times, and I never get the feeling "THIS IS THE GREATEST GAME EVAR!!!" It probably would have impacted me more had I been old enough to appreciate how good it was for the time when it came out. Still, I think reviewers are much harder on games today. Almost anything bad in your game can and will be used against you. There's many more review sites to impress. There is a lot more competition.

 

[kr3wman]

Sure, everyone is allowed to have an opinion. But if Nintendogs passed OoT, that means the general consensus among experts is that it's better. So your opinion would be the minority (which of course doesn't make it any less valid).

Also SMG2 is way better and than Nintendogs, and certainly completely different. So I don't see the comparison there, unless you're trying to say both of them are inferior to OoT.

Still, I've played through OoT several times, and I never get the feeling "THIS IS THE GREATEST GAME EVAR!!!" It probably would have impacted me more had I been old enough to appreciate how good it was for the time when it came out. Still, I think reviewers are much harder on games today. Almost anything bad in your game can and will be used against you. There's many more review sites to impress. There is a lot more competition.

Have you been following the video game scene or were you just dumped into the seventh generation?

Reviews are much, MUCH more generous these days, due in part that the industry wants their hyped-up games to be, well, hits and so, behind the scenes, started paying/giving gifts to reviewers. Some companies give review copies of games early to sites they know will give them a good score so that people are more excited for their game. Companies know they have enough power to pressure big sites to fire reviewers because they gave a game a bad score.

You know, stuff like that.

And no, his opinion would be in the majority. Because the majority of people are not game reviewers.

 

[Zook]

OoT's reputation is extremely bloated. Sure, it introduced a lot of ideas that were absolutely revolutionary (locking), but today, to someone who has only recently played it, it isn't mind-blowingly awesome.

I'm pretty sure a lot of the younger players who missed out on the N64 era and have recently played it are just parroting what they've heard other gamers said about OoT.

 

[Dre89]

People of my generation let no one touch OoT's reputation simply because of nostalgia and innovation, but nostalgia and innovation don't mean no other game can surpass it.

If you remove nostalgia, I find WW and MM to be better games because they're more unique and add something extra to the OoT formula. To someone who isn't affected by nostalgia, OoT would be just be the standard/generic console Zelda game (they'd still find it amazing obviously).

 

[darksamus77]

I think Metroid Prime should be higher. I don't think Prime gets its due. Giant Metroid fan speaking, but I don't believe Prime gets enough credit. It's an incredible game, the music and realistic environments are just mind-blowing. Prime's the best game, in my opinion. That game made me a Metroid fan, and it's certainly a nice touch to see Super Metroid also in the top 15.

Back on track, I know this is about OoT. In my opinion, Galaxy 1 was much better. That aside, it just came out, give it time. It will drop, hopefully a bit more than 2nd. It's a good game, but certainly not the best game, and not even the best Nintendo has made. I'd put OoT, SM, Prime, and SM64 ahead of Galaxy 2. I think reviews are much too prasing lately. They give a game a lot of credit, when in reality, it's not all that great. SM and Prime are both great games, but underrated, in my opinion. Zook, while you may say OoT's reputation is bloated (and I agree), Metroid games are underrated. At least Prime and SM earned all-time best for their respective consoles...

 

[KrazyGlue]

Yeah, but SM is ranked 7, so I wouldn't exactly say it's neglected. Still, I agree it's a phenomenal game.

@kr3wman: I disagree that reviewers are more generous today. Back in OoT's time, a game could be riddled with glitches, errors, and other obvious programming shortcomings, and that would just be ignored if they liked the rest of the game. Also yes the majority of people aren't game reviewers but who says they'd all agree?

 

[kr3wman]

@kr3wman: I disagree that reviewers are more generous today. Back in OoT's time, a game could be riddled with glitches, errors, and other obvious programming shortcomings, and that would just be ignored if they liked the rest of the game. Also yes the majority of people aren't game reviewers but who says they'd all agree?

Red Dead Redemption.

BOUM.

Modern Warfare 2.

BO-BOUM.

Fallout 3

BO-BO-BOUM.

I'll be here all night.

 

[Luigitoilet]

I think Metroid Prime should be higher. I don't think Prime gets its due. Giant Metroid fan speaking, but I don't believe Prime gets enough credit. It's an incredible game, the music and realistic environments are just mind-blowing. Prime's the best game, in my opinion. That game made me a Metroid fan, and it's certainly a nice touch to see Super Metroid also in the top 15.

Back on track, I know this is about OoT. In my opinion, Galaxy 1 was much better. That aside, it just came out, give it time. It will drop, hopefully a bit more than 2nd. It's a good game, but certainly not the best game, and not even the best Nintendo has made. I'd put OoT, SM, Prime, and SM64 ahead of Galaxy 2. I think reviews are much too prasing lately. They give a game a lot of credit, when in reality, it's not all that great. SM and Prime are both great games, but underrated, in my opinion. Zook, while you may say OoT's reputation is bloated (and I agree), Metroid games are underrated. At least Prime and SM earned all-time best for their respective consoles...

While, personally I disliked Metroid Prime, I feel that it was still a very amazing, unique game that does deserve more credit. If only I liked the atmosphere and environments in the game...

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

OoT's reputation is extremely bloated. Sure, it introduced a lot of ideas that were absolutely revolutionary (locking), but today, to someone who has only recently played it, it isn't mind-blowingly awesome.

I'm pretty sure a lot of the younger players who missed out on the N64 era and have recently played it are just parroting what they've heard other gamers said about OoT.

I just beat OoT for the first time this week, and it blew me away. I love old games, and when I play them I put myself in that time frame. I've never been an OoT fanboy, but the game exceeded my expectations. MM is also amazing, playing it now.

I can actually see why it is such an icon, everything about it is fairly nice. Then again, I also think FF7 is one of the best games ever, and most people just think it's full of hot air.

90% of the time the games that are icons are icons for a reason IMO.

Edit: AS for Metroid Prime, it's revolutionary. Anyone can make an FPS, but it takes skill to make FPA .

Hypermode Metroid Prime final fight : hardest fight ever xD

 

[KrazyGlue]

Red Dead Redemption.

BOUM.

Modern Warfare 2.

BO-BOUM.

Fallout 3

BO-BO-BOUM.

I'll be here all night.

Actually, for all of those (particularly Fallout 3 and Red Dead Redemption), glitches were the only reasons they weren't rated perfectly. Ocarina had just as many glitches as an average game for its time, and it still got perfect scores. Also consider how much more competition there is today, with many more games being produced nowadays than back in '98.

 

[kr3wman]

Are you serious lol.

 

[Luigitoilet]

the actual best game is Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon.

 

[ETWIST51294]

OoT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[darksamus77]

While, personally I disliked Metroid Prime, I feel that it was still a very amazing, unique game that does deserve more credit. If only I liked the atmosphere and environments in the game...

So THAT's why you dislike Prime. Hmm...can't help you there, I think the music with the environments is just awe-inspiring. Plus, first FPA ever made, I think it was very revolutionary. Wanna know the best part about Prime? Nintendo didn't think it would be successful when they released it, seeing as they had rushed its production...it's one of the top-selling GC games of all time

As far as reviewers then vs now, you gotta remember the tech advances between the first NES games and recent games, such as Galaxy 2. They can do much more graphically and progamming-wise than even 10 years ago. Games like OoT may have had bugs, but games of that caliber released when they were (same with SM, quite a few glitches in that game also) were unreal. Games nowadays are expected to be free of glitches/bugs by their releases. That's why the games you mentioned, kr3wman, didn't get perfect scores. And they didn't deserve perfect scores, either. Galaxy 1+2 are also way too high, I liked SM64 and SMW much better than those 2 games.

My biggest question, however...why does this site not rank NES games? There's no NES category, yet a lot of franchises' first games were on the NES...

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

^ It's because Samus is epic, and Dark Samus corrupts the Space Pirate empire perfectly. Seriously, Metroid is the only thing Nintendo has made with a linear storyline. At least they did it right once.

 

[darksamus77]

Thank you, Shimazu, although Other M seems to be going off on some random tangent that makes no sense...hopefully things will be more clear by its release

 

[UncleSam]

Thank you, Shimazu, although Other M seems to be going off on some random tangent that makes no sense...hopefully things will be more clear by its release

It actually fits into the storyline quite nicely, even though the release wouldn't be considered chronological, Other M fills a lot of plot holes (especially if you played Fusion)

 

[darksamus77]

It actually fits into the storyline quite nicely, even though the release wouldn't be considered chronological, Other M fills a lot of plot holes (especially if you played Fusion)

Yes, Fusion seems to be the key target of Other M, with Adam and all.