Legend of Mana Mafia - The Faerie Arc - Star Crossed Lovers - The End!

[#HBC | J]

Zenar trying to rush this Spag lynch and just push I without really considering things is disgusting. I can't figure if it is dummy vs. scummy but leaning dummy due to past experiences.

 

[#HBC | J]

Wait the Xonar half is also pushing Jscum?

*siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh

 

[#HBC | J]

Zen's just mad I pegged him as a PR and can't comprehend me investigating his slot that reeked "I have something or I'm scum."

 

[Gova]

2. Krystedez ()
4. J ()
7. Handorin ()
8. Spaghebti (1) Zenar
9. Zenar ()
10. Raziek ()
11. Soup~ ()

Not voting - Handorin, Soup, Spaghebti, Raziek, Krystedez, J

With 7 playing, it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline is July 6th at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6).

 

[Zεηαr]

We're going to lose this.

 

[#HBC | J]

Yeah, you have me as scum and are quick-voting Spag.

 

[Krystedez]

I need to do a reread.

And yes when I scumhunt I'm particularly fond of finding my own reads rather than relying on others, but now that we've mass claimed I think I can rely on some questions I'll be asking after the reread.

This game has been... odd.

(rereading brb)

 

[Raziek]

Deadline is the 6th? Cool. Gotta hardmode some assignments, so I won't likely be touching this tonight/tomorrow.

 

[Krystedez]

DEAD

Shadow Moth - Town ??? - "Cap'N Tusk"
Rake - Town ??? - "Daena"
Ryker - Town ??? - "The Main Character"
KevinM - Town ??? - "Matilda"
Marshy - Town S.Bomber- "Escad"

Possible roles of the dead:

Tusk = Possible Jailer? May have not gotten the chance to do so. But I feel it is a possible role. Otherwise VT.
Daena = Protector = Town Blocker or something? Like protects someone from NKs? Otherwise vanilla.
MC = Vanilla, at least I imagine a main character would be.
Matilda = Vanilla, as her powers are gone as an adult
___________

ALIVE

Krystedez - Vanilla Town - "Lisa"
Spaghebti - Vanilla Town - ""
Soup - Vanilla Town - ""
Handorin - Town Miller - ""
Zenar - Town PDoctors - "The Nuns"
J - Town DWatcher - "Pokiehl"
Raziek - Town OldMan - "Gaeus

My thoughts on living role claims:

I believe J's claim is reasonable to believe.
Not sure about Zenar's, sounds reasonable if J's claims were correct. But still there is the idea that he is lying really well.
Raziek's sounds a bit lacking. Especially given he put it forth after Ryker died.
Soup's could be believable, if not for the four possible vanillas that are dead, PLUS me, spag, AND Hando's sorta.
Not sure about Hando's atm, I feel it isn't hard to believe if it weren't for the fact that he hasn't played much at all. Still, his post from before:

Soooo if marshy and j are telling the truth then this is my scum team:
Krys
Kevin
Zen
I'm getten scum vibes from them. Shortly put.

I'd love to see the vig shot soon though. Would help.

Makes me worried. He was posting at a time of which marshy shooting someone means "town should agree to shoot a townie because I'm scum and I hope this list makes them believe I'm scum hunting!"


I think the play of the day could be between Hando and Spagh to be honest. I will post again with some reasons...

 

[Spaghebti]

I'm teapo btw

 

[Krystedez]

"If Marshy can shoot and decides to not shoot J then we should prolly lynch J anyway."

Okay, this is odd because given the circumstances: Marshy turned out be town suicide bomber. You had Marshy as your focus way before

this mess.

he was scum until proven town cuz i legit thought he could be scum. Usually when he does **** like pushes quicklynches i can easily

see his reasoning behind it. I couldn't this game. And he advocated 2 qls of town players. It'd be incredibly easy for him as scum to

do this ****, and noone in town to care because that's apparently his meta. Usually marshy's actions and my line of thinking line up

and at that point i considered him town, that had yet to happen until later toDay. so from my perspective it makes a lot of sense.

I def thought he was scum after his and J's posts d2 and i was willing to push him to death cuz of it.

cuz I did have no solid scumreads (besides marshy). How is this an issue? I had town reads, and wanted to lynch inactives off of POE.

So that's one townie you had a read for.

*DING*

Next is:

"If Marshy shoots J we'll lynch Kevin."

also i think kevin should die over hando.

Why Kevin? Roll into LyLo easier right? Of course Kevin should die over hando, your scum mate.

So another townie you had a read for.

*DING*

Krys's reasoning makes a lot more sense however, that you could have been a rolecop and killed ryker n2 after spotting his role.

You would only agree with this considering that Xen is not your scum mate. Another read.

*DING*

J's role sounds very hard to believe and his results are worthless so far.

Reading J as scum when his results were proven not worthless but rather at least correct.

*DING*

I'm not finished:

wrt to who has the highest chance of flipping scum. I really don't know. I think hando's an ok choice but gheb disagrees. So i'd

rather go raz cuz i feel a lot more confident that he's scum and gheb think's he scum to.

gheb wants to push a soup lynch.

zen: did you mean "see J as town"?
also really surprised that you're still convinced im scum.

So if I'm reading right, Mac, I think you are pretty much the one pushing scum reads on townies, while your other half gheb is pushing scum reads on your mates like Hando imo. Then Raziek is just your choice of push for toDay to see if town takes it since Raziek has been as of late inactive and not very useful to town's efforts.

*DING*

So over the course of these posts I believe the spaghetti's a little thin. We got ourselves:

• Marshy read as scum (dead: TOWN)
• Kevin read as scum (dead: TOWN)
• Potentially Xen read as scum (alive: null due to his targetting of an alive Ryker night 1, may be shipped or may be more town food)
• J read as scum (alive: more possible town due to his role giving us a likely hint to marshy's ability to daykill being true, being confirmed as town because why in a small mafia game would mafia have a tracker/watcher?)
• Raziek read as scum (alive: null due to his inactivity, usefullness (or lack thereof), and again, may be shipped)

I feel like after all this reading on Spaghebti monster, if Spag is scum, then:

• J is town (because J had information that mac/gheb didn't like, and wanted to use it as a means to determine the next lynch especially if the bomber missed scum)
• Raziek is null (because both mac and gheb agree on it being a scum read; may actually be town because I doubt they'd push for Raziek's lynch before he even got a chance to catch up and get a read or two in LyLo. Just my opinion)
• Xen is town (because mac hinting in agreement; nothing from gheb; was not afraid of showing the idea that J's dream watch was not definitive of himself being town)
• Hando is scum (because mac is not pushing it; gheb is)
• Soup is scum (because mac is not pushing it; gheb is)

There we have three scum;

Spaghebi / Hando / Soup

I would assume that if Zenar is not lying, and that Spag is scum, there was some form of NK that was able to go through the Nuns' protection.

It is possible that one of the VT claimants are actually a roleblocker or busser or something. I don't know if Xenar has information showing that his action went through and wasn't informed of possible blocking or bussing. then again, if J was lying a bit about his role alignment, then he could figure out from the whole Nuns visiting Ryker night 1 that the nuns should be blocked if they had a scum mate to block them...

So potentially

Spag / Hando / /Soup / J / Raziek are possible scum imo, in order from most likely to least likely...

One of them's claims is true about being a VT besides obv. J.

And my reasoning for Raziek has been that his claim doesn't make much sense. And his involvement in QLs, target on me like the rest, and a few other things spike my interest.

I think our play for the day is:

Spag/Hando, with more interest leaning to Spag.

Confirmed townies:

Zenar / Me

But yea my scum pool remains large based on the result of the upcoming lynch. hopefuly we don't lose. Also thoughts on all of this would be helpful in me catching scum... I don't like you quiet ones. Get off your cheeseburgers and girlfriends and lets go.

 

[Krystedez]

To be fair, the above is only true material if Spaghebi turns out to be scum.

And also, this has all been just rereading most of the posts related to Spag, the vig shot, and the stuff leading up to now.

If Spag is not scum (which I might have my read really ****-***-backwards) then I believe investigation on J is in order. Which is who I'm rereading currently.

 

[Krystedez]

again, In relation to this reread, I believe J could be perceived as scum easily if my intuition is correct, in that he actually is a tracker but not the town alignment he says he is, and that he found out that the nuns were protecting Ryker, informed scum mate, and scum mate blocked the nuns, so Ryker could then die.

Petrification appears to be the main form of killing in the above case, even though the nuns protected Ryker n1.

I'd like to hear from Xenar on why in particular did he choose Ryker twice! Was it because Ryker claimed town princess or something like that early game? (im looking at the posts)

 

[Spaghebti]

lmao krys

sigh

 

[Krystedez]

I've never played with a hydra before.

Is it your sigh of relief that I've caught you mac, or your sigh of dispair that I'm all too wrong, Gheb?

Either way we will see when I'm done rereading, Raziek gets a load of this, and the others chime in. We got plenty of time.

 

[Spaghebti]

it's too tiring trying to defend myself from stupid ****

why do you think hando is my scummate? you never explain the connection.

krys you realize your "mac pushing townies/gheb pushing scummates" doesn't make sense at all. like at all. Why would mafia do that? wtf would the point of that be. Also gheb doesn't even want hando to die. I've been the one pushing him this entire game.

your scum read on me is that i had scumreads on town players marshy and kevin... and? By that logic, shouldn't everyone who voted for moth and rake be scum because they pushed town players? cmon man.

I'm sorry i'm wrong about kevin who hasn't posted **** and seemed incredibly antitown. ffs marshy agreed and ****in killed kevin. and i've already explained my reason for why i thought marshy was scum

do you think i'm scum for reasons more than just the fact that i've had bad scum reads?
zen can you unvote me

 

[Zεηαr]

unvote

off to bed. Will clean shop here tomorrow because 90% of what's been posted is ********.

 

[Krystedez]

That's all I've got work with honestly spag, besides the whole "J is lying through his teeth" thing.

I mean honestly your VT claim would make sense considering you're fine with putting yourself out there, but to screw up on more than one occasion plus having no meat to any of your reads at all makes me question you which is why I re read you first, especially given my town read from zenar.

The connection between you and hando remains to be seen, it is therefore simply by elimination.

But w/e.

I'd like your opinion on the idea of someone blocking Xenar's protection and that petrification is the way people die.

@Mod is petrification how people die in this game?

 

[Krystedez]

Also at "why would mafia do that"

I don't know because again I've never played with a hydra.

 

[Spaghebti]

That's all I've got work with honestly spag, besides the whole "J is lying through his teeth" thing.

I mean honestly your VT claim would make sense considering you're fine with putting yourself out there, but to screw up on more than one occasion plus having no meat to any of your reads at all makes me question you which is why I re read you first, especially given my town read from zenar.

The connection between you and hando remains to be seen, it is therefore simply by elimination.

But w/e.
[/quote]
ok, if you're not convinced that im scum, don't vote me unless the deadlines coming up and im still your strongest scum read. keep lookin/tryna figure **** out

I'd like your opinion on the idea of someone blocking Xenar's protection and that petrification is the way people die.

@Mod is petrification how people die in this game?

i have no idea

i don't read flavor in most games. zenar getting roleblocked is a possibility, along with all the other possibilities. i don't really have an opinion either way

 

[Spaghebti]

Also at "why would mafia do that"

I don't know because again I've never played with a hydra.

if you were in a hydra and were scum. do you think you would do something like that? can you imagine any purpose whatsoever behind it?

 

[Krystedez]

I'd imagine it confuses people about your actual stances. It's like I'm between two people and they agree to disagree about a life and death situation.

And I didn't vote you.

 

[Spaghebti]

I know you didn't vote me, was just making sure.

Yes having separate scumread might leave people confused about my actual stances but it's not scummy because that happens in town hydras as well. but is there any reason why I would want to leave a pattern to it? Why would one head only push the scummates and the other only push town?

 

[Krystedez]

You've answered your own question essentially; confusing/wifoming in the whole thing about mafia. I'm not saying it's a trait that would unveil you as scum or have scummy play for this particular game, but only that it is to be noted that your reads as mac are the ones that I have focused on and use that pattern to fit the agenda here; to find scum that would have rolled us into LyLo.

 

[#HBC | J]

Gosh,

all I need to figure out is who is the townie out of Soup/Raz/Zenar/Hando and that should be game.

Krys just is shining obv-townie at the current time so that one is no doubt and Macman is a town read of mine too.

Zenar should be town due to results and my basic gut that I feel they are town so I am completely fine with losing Hando/Raz/Soup.

Hando viewing. Maybe we can see some insight from him!

 

[Handorin]

Wait Handorin claimed Miller?
That means there was a cop, no? Then what the hell is up with J? Two investigatives?

No. I'm not claiming miller. I'm just saying that I'm like a miller because I always play scummy. I even already claimed vt.

I mean seriously in Hando's last post he tries to discredit everything he can from Zenar/Raz's claim to Spag's reaction and doesn't seem to be looking for scum or town but more just looking for people to lynch.

Isn't that looking for scum? Lynching people you think are scum? I mean, I guess I shouldn't post anything anymore. While I generally don't post essays much as is, because that's how I play, you should be gracious that I grace you with my opinion. Even if it isn't what you think or what people like. I don't care if he's the most townie looking person ever. He could still be scum. That's good scum play. Not looking like scum.

Then his line of self-meta/"I'm a miller" is useless too. I mean nothing in his last post says anything towny and is more just pandering and overall badness.

Basically I shouldn't joke and I'm bad at this game cause I play different than everyone else. Do I smell a hater?

I want Raz/Hando and most likely looking at one of Soup/Zenar. Krys/Spag are my town reads ATM.

Responses bolded.

Im still unsettled by spag's play. He's still on top of my scum list I think. Refer back to the one post I made not to long ago. Shouldn't be hard to find. He just has all the wrong answers to the questions and junk he answers.

 

[Spaghebti]

really hando?

what wrong answers? i need specifics.

you've never once this game said anything worth anything. you respond with incredibly vague crap and never give reasoning behind anything you say.

if you're town we deserve to lose.

 

[#HBC | J]

Hando, you aren't really doing yourself any favours with making posts like your last one that don't actually respond to things but instead try and have a snippy attitude about people thinking you are scum. You aren't scum-hunting Hando, you merely are just saying, "I don't believe these two claims." the only thing I could probably see as your "scum-hunting" would be the call-out on Spag's reaction, but even then, it isn't new at all because Zenar already brought it up and what you said was pretty much a recycle of what he said.

I mean, look, I'm not asking for essays. I'm asking for you to actually try and scum-hunt because if you are town, macman has it dead-on in saying we deserve to lose if you are in fact town.

 

[Spaghebti]

Gheb reporting in just to show you guys that I still play this. I've just kept myself in the background since people can't seen to get a grip on what I'm trying to say but I've been operating behind the scenes a lot and communication with Macman has been going well.

Just to summarize my reads:

- Raz & Soup: Those guys have to be scum. At first I didn't even have Raz on top of my list but Macmans explanations are strong and I can agree with this lynch toDay. Soup getting 'cleared' because of his 'drunk posts' is dumb. You can make yourself look pro-town as scum when you're drunk. Do people think he's more genuine just because he *appears* to be drunk? The slot is still scummy and I support his lynch toDay

- Zenar: Really want him to be scum but wouldn't lynch him before Raz / Soup right now. He's just so unbearable and Zen seems to be on a good way to misread stuff once again. I really wish he wouldn't pretend to be so confident or knowledgeable when his reads are *** and he has no reason to play like that.

- Hando: Maybe scum but I'm not feeling it right now. His posts have been whack but the main bulk of Macman's case seems to be meta which doesn't work on a player that hasn't done anything in two years. Would consider him later - after Raz / soup.

So yeah let's lynch Raz or Soup toDay imo

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I really have lost motivation for this game, i've had internet for about 2 days now but haven't cared to check, I think we should just put the game out of it's misery.

I have a gut feeling about Spag, and i'm going with it. I don't see the Raz scum here.

Vote: Spaghebti

Apologies for nothing truly solid but this game really lost my interest.

 

[Spaghebti]

looks like im getting bussed hardbody by all my scummates

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

win/win situation for me tbh

 

[Spaghebti]

idk what that means

 

[Spaghebti]

ebwop: you mean by that

I really have lost motivation for this game, i've had internet for about 2 days now but haven't cared to check, I think we should just put the game out of it's misery.

I have a gut feeling about Spag, and i'm going with it. I don't see the Raz scum here.

you realize if i'm scum that the game won't end... if you wanted to put the game out of it's misery, wouldn't you vote someone you thought was town? its weird that you say this... gives off the impression that you know the game will end with my lynch

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm giving you benefit of the doubt, but right now you just shattered that doubt into a million pieces trying to miscontrute what I said.

I think you're scum, If i'm wrong, then oh well. Game ends and town loses in an already massively broken game, if not, however, we move on and we can give life to this game again, I'm sure a correct scum lynch would reinvigorate everyone. All I said in that post is that I will admit defeat if wrong.

 

[Spaghebti]

you don't think a townie would point out the same thing that I did?

I don't really see how i'm misconstruing what you said. I just expressed the impression your post gave me.

also everyone except J has expressed that they wanted me dead. Are you under the impression that my scumpartners are bussing me?

What changed about your townread on me? (after gheb's little tizzy occurred)

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't see anything plausible and hando is just the lynch that's on the backburner, J was making sense about krys being town based on his post, and I feel Zen's demeanor in his posting is town.

Hando/You/J for me, someone explain to me how Raziek is scum because frankly I don't get it at all. Also, that first you line said meant nothing, it was a reach either way.

 

[Spaghebti]

Hando/You/J for me, someone explain to me how Raziek is scum because frankly I don't get it at all.

here ya go:

Things I can point out right now that I really dislike of Raz.

I hate his double standard he is holding on Krys/Hando when he had Krys as obv-scum from D1 and then when Krys claims VT, he is alright, but when Hando claims VT, he flips out saying he only claimed VT to coast? I mean what in the world is that? Plus I don't like the way he freaked out just at the thought of me thinking Krys vs. Raz held scum.

Then he tries to blame the fact that Spag didn't die on Spag themselves and saying that Macman is so full of ****? I can't even fathom how anyone could think that Macman was the cause of what happened and I choose to believe Marshy just sent a PM to Gova saying to kill KevinM>Macman because of the way Macman reacted to the "shot" on his slot.

anyways,

gheb wants to self-vote and end this game. lol but beyond that he thinks soup, raz and zen are scum. He wants to lynch soup at this point and doesn't see anything wrong with Hando.

We both want to keep J alive cuz he seems the towniest by far. and it'll be cool to see the results of his night actions. I agree with a razScum possibility, still think hando should die. And i'm up in the air about zen, soup and krys.

I wanted to sit back and wait for more ppl to talk cuz it feels like noones really given their opinions after the kevin kill.

I'm def feeling razScum though. Because right before the Kevin event. He has me as probably town, and simply because marshy didn't shoot me, he automatically thinks that I am behind that. I don't really mind that gutreaction but how he held on to it afterwards was ****ty.

His read on me drastically changed becuz of a possibility that I have a daytime scum redirector role or something like that. He doesn't consider the facts that that role would be kinda broken in a game where theres a suicide bomber role. Or that I as scum would much rather redirect it towards an obvious townie, and def not the person that I tried to get killed. Or that marshy wouldn't have tried to get me to reveal my alignment so much in the twilight of his shot if he had actually shot me. There are a lot of reasons pointing to Marshy faking it, yet Raz disregards all of it and still 180s on his read of me becuz of this possibility.

I think Raz thought that I was going to die so in his prior posts, he claimed that he thought I was town, in order to look good afterwards. Despite thinking i was town he did nothing to save me. Since marshy chose not to kill me, Raz decided to latch on to this reasoning for me being scum in order to push my lynch.

also in my reread, I thought his defense of J was odd at the beginning. he says he thinks J is null, yet strongly dons his J-defender hat. idk **** seemed off to me.

that's all im really thinking right now.

hando is scum cuz he's hando. but mostly becuz he's been useless and if he happens to be town there was no way we'd be able to win this game.

soup im up in the air about, i liked his drunk posts but gheb thinks hes scum so meh.

krys idk. i've never seen anything wrong with that slot

zenar i can see being scum. the rolecop logic makes sense and his claim is useless. which are both not that strong reasons for him being scum.

everyones been whack since the kevin kill though and I'm assuming its cuz of the weekend but the deadlines in 4-5 days, and if we want to have any chance we gotta kinda step this **** up

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I like these responses, i'll look into it. I'd like to give up but losing isn't something I'm a fan of.

Unvote

 

[Raziek]

****'s sake. I don't have time for a full rebuttal right this second, but I already responded to the J post in my 704 and surrounding posts.