Ledge Counter Reversal (with video)

[Hype]

So I made this thread before and It was ignored. Maybe because its useless but I have a suspicion that my lack of video in combination with poor explination made it difficult to understand. So here's a vid.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF5kZCWjPvY

We all know about the ledge counter. where you ledgehop then counter and you lose your momentum and end up countering right on the edge of the stage. This can work but you are left vulnerable after you counter for a long amount of time.

What you can do instead of this is Ledge Counter Reversal. This is basically a ledge hop then counter then B reversal. With this you are countering over the stage but then fade away back to the saftey of the edge during the ending frames of you Down B.


Unrelated but dropping from the ledge to counter recoveries such as toon link's is awsome too. I've got so many awsome stage spikes like that.

 

[Dynomite]

when hanging on the edge, and u say jump.. that jump as in like drop and jump or just hit Y to jump off the edge.. and this used for gettn back on when being edgegaurded, or used for edgegaurding.. usually i try to counter when im going up agnest another marth recovering with his dolphin slash but i counter but it doesnt hit him, gota learn how to do it

 

[Hype]

I'm talking about just pressing y while on the edge.

this is used when your being edge guarded but you've already reached the ledge.

The last little paragraph is completely unralated i just felt like posting it. it was talking about countering when your the edge guarder. countering dolphin slash probebly wont work because of the speed (hes gone by the time you counter attacks).

 

[Dynomite]

countering dolphin slash does work if u time it right but it wont hit, it will pevent u frmo getting hit tho

 

[Hype]

thats what i meant, about your counter not hitting.

 

[IDK]

yeah it does at the top of the dolphin slash. thats also the point when you can hit marth out. after 4 frames. in all of my matches against my friend's marth i've spiked him out of his upb like 7 times.

 

[VietGeek]

You have to go down the ledge and Counter when you think DS will hit. Otherwise, DS will stuff your Counter and probably stage spike you.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

This sounds pretty cool. Love the new avatar Viet!

 

[Hype]

bumb for video

 

[Pierce7d]

Good stuff Hype. I'll see about implementing this. It's safer, and might be able to be used to land back on the ledge at a different part of the match.

 

[Pr0phetic]

Ima start testing this, the other way wasn't so safe and I was thinking how counter can be used more efficiently Ledge Hopped/Dropped.