ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Against an opponent who doesn't see it coming and doesn't DI, wouldn't fthrow > nana fair spike be a fun way to finish off the ledge chain grab?
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Guide Ledge Chain-grabbing / The Handoff FAQ
- Thread starter Wobbles
- Start date
Binx
Smash Master
lol its a fun way to finish off anyone at anytime if you think you can pull it off, obviously a smash is safer. But if its a friendly why not go for it.
Twin_A
Smash Champion
Wow wobbles again you amaze the world. I'm off to go perfect this. Plenty of time to learn before Genesis and possibly WHOBO (should there be melee friendlies lol)
S.D
Smash Master
I used this to take 15 out of 16 stock in a 4 man crew battle.
Thanks Wobbles.
Thanks Wobbles.
Twin_A
Smash Champion
Practiced it for a bit yesterday then did it to my twin brother last night while playing. His face was priceless haha. But it really does take practice against smaller characters (namely puff for me) >.<
Meme
Smash Journeyman
Really useful guide... It's really tricky at the beginning but I got used to it with several characters... maybe except for marth
D:
Here's another vid
It's nothing compared with the frame perfect one... just did it to test the quality of EasyCap
D:
Here's another vid
It's nothing compared with the frame perfect one... just did it to test the quality of EasyCap
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
Hey Wobbles have you fooled around with backtracking at all?>
? Not sure what you mean.
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
I saw someone call it back tracking.
Its when you bthrow with popo and wave dash to grab at the same time with Nana.
works on fox and falco is pretty easy, i think it stops working above 90%.
Its when you bthrow with popo and wave dash to grab at the same time with Nana.
works on fox and falco is pretty easy, i think it stops working above 90%.
ShootingStars
Smash Apprentice
can someone help me with this? i tried it with DK and i tried regrabbing DK at the green blink when you dthrow him, before that, and a bit after... i cant get the timing right... 
kk guys im getting the timing, just keep forgetting the regrab... this is gonna take a WHILE
kk guys im getting the timing, just keep forgetting the regrab... this is gonna take a WHILE
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I still can't do the handoff consistently. Right now I rely on reverse dair cgs and such.
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
I finally did 5 regrabs in match.
Handoff is amazing.
go watch more fly vids and get inspiration.
then sit in training mode for 2 days.
lets go icy step it uppppp.
<3 wobblesXfly
Handoff is amazing.
go watch more fly vids and get inspiration.
then sit in training mode for 2 days.
lets go icy step it uppppp.
<3 wobblesXfly
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
Replicate told me that Trail is pretty ****, he got to play him at Pound 4.
ShootingStars
Smash Apprentice
hey can anyone help me on the regrab? i always seem to regrab with popo wrong...
I tried right before hammer hits, and when the hammer hit... all failed
any tips on the timing?
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
You have to grab just after the hammer hits.hey can anyone help me on the regrab? i always seem to regrab with popo wrong...
I tried right before hammer hits, and when the hammer hit... all failed
SoiGreg
Smash Journeyman
I was doing this in a match against a level 3, I throw with popo, nana hammers (Neutral A), and then popo regrabs. Does this work?
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Dthrow -> jab -> regrab can work. You almost always have better options though.
sleak-
Smash Journeyman
please make videos , easier to learn
Facepalm
Smash Cadet
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Heres some information from a random IC main but when i do handoffs, depending on the character would depend on when i regrab after a downthrow or forward throw. So to say when I downthrow a fox, his falling speed is pretty fast so in terms of regrabbing i just JC grab the instant i started my downthrow and it normally pulls off. The same goes for G&W and jiggs. In terms of characters like samus and link I was able to handoff those characters by keeping an eye on when they are on the ground after a downthrow. I cant record videos to show you but basically you should be able to see them literally lying on the ground after a down throw. Just regrab them during that time before they bounce back up.
For Fox, Jiggs and G&W, my own method is to grab using R+A since it cancels the crouch. But whatever works consistently, keep doing
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
It feels more natural for me to JC grab, but the shield grab method works, too, obviously.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
I'm practicing this now, so awesome. I'm getting pretty good with the timing.
EDIT: I've learnt it against Falco and Falcon so far... 2SXC is going down next time I play him XD
EDIT: I've learnt it against Falco and Falcon so far... 2SXC is going down next time I play him XD
Timic83
Smash Ace
why do you have to dthrow, i jsut fthrow it seems to work better and is easier
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Yup yup. D-throw is better for precisely that reason.
Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
I do fthrow-only handoffs on characters that I'm terrible at doing the dthrow handoff on. Ease of use is a factor I take into account since I can be a little sloppy under pressure.
Also, I like Wobbles' idea of shield-grabbing with Nana on the lighter characters. I used to just JC grab, but sometimes I'd hit Y too early and Nana would jump and nair; with the shield grab, it doesn't matter how early you hit the trigger.
Also, I like Wobbles' idea of shield-grabbing with Nana on the lighter characters. I used to just JC grab, but sometimes I'd hit Y too early and Nana would jump and nair; with the shield grab, it doesn't matter how early you hit the trigger.
Timic83
Smash Ace
while the fact you move forward is certainly a factor, another thing i found out is that its almost impossible to regrab if nana doesnt pummel when you f throw handoff
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
I don't know if this is just by chance, but whenever I am in the exact middle of a stage Nana seems to always be uthrowing.
Can anyone confirm this?
Can anyone confirm this?
Kyu Puff
Smash Champion
Are you sure? F-throw has more lag than d-throw so it might actually not be possible on certain characters. I'll look at frames eventually to see if it's true though.
AshuRawRun
Smash Apprentice
You're wrong on this one but it can be useful to make an F-throw instead of a D-throw anyway.
GawdImFoxy
Smash Journeyman
I'm starting to alt IC's and I have a couple quick, fairly generalized, questions about this tech.
First, at what point does percent affect the timing of the Nana regrab? Maybe I trick myself into thinking this, but it seems like it throws off my timing when the target is above 100%'ish.
I can sometimes get the regrab on Puff, but I can't seem to get the timing right. I can make Popo downthrow without Nana crouching; that's not the issue. My issue is the timing. Sometimes I feel like I use the same timing, but don't get the same results. I read that Wobbles Shield Grabs Puff and Fox, so I'm gonna go try that now to see if it works for me. Albeit I don't think it solves my problem, it's worth a shot.
On a slightly off-topic note, how does the reverse d-air CG work? I keep hearing about it but I haven't seen any tutorials or anything. Is it just a Nana d-air really far forward to the point that it pushes the character behind Popo to set up for the regrab? Also, are there any characters I should be using this against vice the standard d-throw d-air CG? The first thing that comes to mind is floaties, but there's a reason I'm not an IC's main.
And one more thing. How feasible is a Popo d-throw -> Nana Jab to set up for a Popo regrab?
Thanks in advance guys. I really appreciate it. And I'm sorry for the off-topic questions.
Edit: One more question... I'm having trouble getting the timing for the Popo regrab if Nana doesn't pummel. Any suggestions? Should I always ASSUME she's not going to and get set-up before she does anything? It just kinda takes me by surprise usually, so I panic.
First, at what point does percent affect the timing of the Nana regrab? Maybe I trick myself into thinking this, but it seems like it throws off my timing when the target is above 100%'ish.
I can sometimes get the regrab on Puff, but I can't seem to get the timing right. I can make Popo downthrow without Nana crouching; that's not the issue. My issue is the timing. Sometimes I feel like I use the same timing, but don't get the same results. I read that Wobbles Shield Grabs Puff and Fox, so I'm gonna go try that now to see if it works for me. Albeit I don't think it solves my problem, it's worth a shot.
On a slightly off-topic note, how does the reverse d-air CG work? I keep hearing about it but I haven't seen any tutorials or anything. Is it just a Nana d-air really far forward to the point that it pushes the character behind Popo to set up for the regrab? Also, are there any characters I should be using this against vice the standard d-throw d-air CG? The first thing that comes to mind is floaties, but there's a reason I'm not an IC's main.
And one more thing. How feasible is a Popo d-throw -> Nana Jab to set up for a Popo regrab?
Thanks in advance guys. I really appreciate it. And I'm sorry for the off-topic questions.
Edit: One more question... I'm having trouble getting the timing for the Popo regrab if Nana doesn't pummel. Any suggestions? Should I always ASSUME she's not going to and get set-up before she does anything? It just kinda takes me by surprise usually, so I panic.
Kyu Puff
Smash Champion
As your opponent's percentage increases, they'll fly away faster after Popo releases them, so the window to regrab is smaller. The timing isn't any different, but you have less and less leeway, so it's easier at lower percentages.
For Puff you press Z almost immediately after d-throw. Wobbles only shieldgrabs because if you press Z while Nana's crouching, she'll d-tilt, but if you can throw without crouching it doesn't make a difference. If you miss the regrab, just do it faster; the grab probably comes a lot sooner than you think (it's not quite simultaneous, but you have to hit Z before she hits the ground).
That's exactly how the reverse d-air works; it just sends them the other way, and you can turnaround grab them instead of dashing forward. It's best against Ganon and Falcon, who both have a really hard time escaping. You can do it on Falco, but the timing is harder and it isn't really necessary. It's usually better than normal d-throw against semi-floaties, but they can still escape by di'ing up and jumping out. Try to react to their di--you can u-tilt if they di upwards and regrab otherwise (best against characters like Marth/Peach/Samus, doesn't work against Jigglypuff/Luigi/really floaty characters).
For Puff you press Z almost immediately after d-throw. Wobbles only shieldgrabs because if you press Z while Nana's crouching, she'll d-tilt, but if you can throw without crouching it doesn't make a difference. If you miss the regrab, just do it faster; the grab probably comes a lot sooner than you think (it's not quite simultaneous, but you have to hit Z before she hits the ground).
That's exactly how the reverse d-air works; it just sends them the other way, and you can turnaround grab them instead of dashing forward. It's best against Ganon and Falcon, who both have a really hard time escaping. You can do it on Falco, but the timing is harder and it isn't really necessary. It's usually better than normal d-throw against semi-floaties, but they can still escape by di'ing up and jumping out. Try to react to their di--you can u-tilt if they di upwards and regrab otherwise (best against characters like Marth/Peach/Samus, doesn't work against Jigglypuff/Luigi/really floaty characters).
Yep, just pretend she's never going to pummel and move forward a little immediately after the regrab. If you practice a lot you'll eventually start finding it easier to react.
GawdImFoxy
Smash Journeyman
Hmm.. That's been working for me for awhile now. I'm gonna try to work on that reverse d-air CG. It seems pretty useful considering I can't do a whole lot to floaties without a reasonably reliable CG. I'm starting to learn to rely less on grabs, and more on general moves. It seems like jab combos into grab a lot of times, and if it doesn't, it makes for a nice mix-up.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Quote so it doesn't get lost on the last page.
ant-d
Smash Lord
hey Wobbles,
You may want to put this on the first post.
It is 'perfect' (TAS) ledge chain-grabbing/the handoff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJP-zLbTG3Q
This video has sound and better quality than the other one on the first post.
And everyone knows sound is sexy.
You may want to put this on the first post.
It is 'perfect' (TAS) ledge chain-grabbing/the handoff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJP-zLbTG3Q
This video has sound and better quality than the other one on the first post.
And everyone knows sound is sexy.
AshuRawRun
Smash Apprentice
This was the most "Flashy" chaingrab I've ever seen, was it TAS or what?