Learn how to earn your wings! A pit video critique thread :)

[Maharba the Mystic]

AWESOME! i mean it sucks that your car is in the shop but i really want to get rid of my metagame's flaws and working one on one (not saying others don't comment....pls do) with another brawler so that i can up my enough to take first at WinterGameFest4 (anything is possible right?) so i will give you 5 more specific vids to critique. i will also post 3 additional matches that i know i find amusing and think you will to. gimme like 10 mins.

 

[Kuro~]

AWESOME! i mean it sucks that your car is in the shop but i really want to get rid of my metagame's flaws and working one on one (not saying others don't comment....pls do) with another brawler so that i can up my enough to take first at WinterGameFest4 (anything is possible right?) so i will give you 5 more specific vids to critique. i will also post 2 additional matches that i know find amuzing and think you will to. gimme like 10 mins.

If its marth i can help. for w/e reason im really good at most of Pit's bad mu cept wario oli and falco. And i have the dreaded peach curse. Which i think im close to breaking . Oh and ill help with any character cept the 4 i mentioned im bad with.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

here are the 5 ones for critique

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZYbheVPH3g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n2aqGRKi7c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by72bqvMIMk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYdGPpWUgxI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK_F41Qy0mg

and here are 3 vids with abnormally hot gameplay on one or both our parts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtWbSrezi_I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR4Ne1g-_mc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnqVLhKthhg

once again thanks a lot guys

 

[dskank]

here are the 5 ones for critique

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZYbheVPH3g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n2aqGRKi7c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by72bqvMIMk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYdGPpWUgxI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK_F41Qy0mg

and here are 3 vids with abnormally hot gameplay on one or both our parts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtWbSrezi_I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR4Ne1g-_mc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnqVLhKthhg

once again thanks a lot guys

MHRBA vs blaze luigi7

first thing, if ur going to try and abuse luigi's horrid traction, woi cancel or wingdash, dont just blatantly woi off the ground, i know it has invuln but its never worth it, wing dashing on the other hand will push weegee out of his jab range and puts u in an advantageous position(as well as canceling out his fire balls); the only time u should woi while on the ground is if u immediately fair out of it as a mind game, i do this sometimes and ive seen a vid of esca doing it.. moving on

0:50- dont be stubborn. dont di into lui's or he will combo u for dayz; the right thing to do would have been to di away, shield and dtilt/jab

damn u really love woi, woi set up for an arrow or dash attack so woi cancel or no woi at all

so what i saw is by the last stock blaze had u figured out, he punished all of ur woi

my mu advice is play this match like marth and space him, luigi has few disjointed moves so, moves that beat weegee= all our aerials especially fair,jab and dtilt are good spacers, arrows are great, pivot arrow more

more is coming

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

just to make sure my win/loss ratio with pit isn't in question i only posted matches where i don't win for critiquing in this thread. if you watch all of the videos on my youtube channel you will see that i uploaded an equal amount of wins/losses or critique/entertainment and style analysis.

and again thx for all the critique guys. ya dskank im studying how useful WOI is in combat as a spacer/staller mayb to regain shield or somethin and also yes for traction abuse and combos. and it cancels so much stuff and it is so hard to DI those jabs because he can tilt forward and follow your DI as he jab cancels. i need to learn to combine WOI with good smash DI and tapp and slam DI and start testing it out more.

 

[dskank]

it cancels so much stuff and it is so hard to DI those jabs because he can tilt forward and follow your DI as he jab cancels. i need to learn to combine WOI with good smash DI and tapp and slam DI and start testing it out more.

yeah i gotcha

MHRBA vs blaze luigi6

so im not going to critique this match, but i watched it. u have a very unique style.

MHRBA vs blaze diddy4

entertaining match. love fighting diddies/watching pits fight diddys

ill let kuro do the marth match since he probably knows it better than i do.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

thx for the critique sir and im glad you liked the diddy match

 

[Kuro~]

thx for the critique sir and im glad you liked the diddy match

ill do the marth one soon ^_^

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

I would critque the Peach match, but it doesn't seem like Blaze really uses Peach because he didn't play here like a Peach main at all. You had that match, tremendous edgeguarding its just your general arrow game was a little off. You had some freakishly amazing loop kill second stock where I cant even begin to wonder how you pulled off. You also looped an arrow behind her 3 times last stock, but didn't capitalize on it. Just mash fsmash the other direction if you do that, it works.

For luigi,

first thing, if ur going to try and abuse luigi's horrid traction, woi cancel or wingdash, dont just blatantly woi off the ground, i know it has invuln but its never worth it, wing dashing on the other hand will push weegee out of his jab range and puts u in an advantageous position(as well as canceling out his fire balls); the only time u should woi while on the ground is if u immediately fair out of it as a mind game, i do this sometimes and ive seen a vid of esca doing it.. moving on

Mashing woi and messing with his traction is a neat gimmick and I will now mimic this into my gameplay against luigi, but only use it when its necessary

Dash attack out of fthrow shouldn't happen because he will nair. Use dthrow/fthrow, bait a nair, and dthrow again then uair. Good job using dtilt because that works nicely. I wouldn't dair in this mu, but maybe someone else has a different opinion. . You should be staying away shooting arrows in general against luigi. SH fair and FF spaced fair is good. Against his fire balls, SH mirror shield to fsmash is pretty cool. If he spams fireballs, angel ring is better than mirror shield because it can also hit him for even more damage.

 

[Abel1994]

Do you have to win in order to post videos?

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

not in the CRITIQUE section lol. here is where your SUPPOSED to post the vids of you gettin ur *** whooped. post good vids.... now that i think about it we don't have normal video thread stickied. that's incredibly inconvienient. we should fix that guys

 

[Kuro~]

not in the CRITIQUE section lol. here is where your SUPPOSED to post the vids of you gettin ur *** whooped. post good vids.... now that i think about it we don't have normal video thread stickied. that's incredibly inconvienient. we should fix that guys

The old one died cuz no new GOOD pit videos were being added. Oh ya btw...i've officially convinced every mk i play that pit mk is 55:45 mk

 

[Kuro~]

Do you have to win in order to post videos?

It's a critique...so you should be losing LOL

 

[Abel1994]

Ok thanks even though I dont know what critique is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bq4PyIufEA

Me vs K4L :D



and why isnt my sig showing!

 

[Kaffei]

ewwwwwww :|

 

[Abel1994]

lol why are you here! And why are you in the Pit section! LEAVE!

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

^^??

anyways first off let me say that you have a beautiful pit sir! you played that match very well. you are also very good at baiting and punishing (i like how you tricked him to punish that way with his dthrow so you could get him). good use of AR however here's wat i see.

1) before ANYTHING else, if you are going to be looping in tourney, especially against MK, first get down the thumb motion for the basic loop as you missed and got punished for EVERY single attempt because you lost your arrow. also know when to loop as you tried it at a lot times bad times (although there were a few legit attempts)
2) don't ever try to use arrow rain like that if you have to use all your jumps to escape them especialy when the arrows didn't even come down and all you did was get punished for it. it is so important to be able to tell when to loop and when not to loop.
3) last comment on your arrow game but don't try to counter tornado with loop as it the hardest way to hit MK out of nado. pretty much if you can mirror it do that especially near the edge.
4) when edgeguarding people recovering from below to prevent getting hit off the edge or stage spiked try to time a WOI ledge regrab to refresh invincibility and get the gimp (although it was a nice try. would have worked without WOI regrab if it were anyone but MK)
5) thank god he didn't use to much ftilt as that is his second hardest move to deal with as pit imo.

 

[Kaffei]

5) thank god he didn't use to much ftilt as that is his second hardest move to deal with as pit imo.

Thanks

10thanks

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq3tveXGP74

my new combo vid

 

[Abel1994]

Wow i wish I was goo like this >.>

 

[Kuro~]

Wow i wish I was goo like this >.>

LOL abel. i watched ur match. Your not bad. Just got learn your options and spacing better

come to the pit boards more cuz we're awesome

 

[Abel1994]

LOL abel. i watched ur match. Your not bad. Just got learn your options and spacing better

come to the pit boards more cuz we're awesome

The only cool part was the Dair+Uair+arrow thing I did lol.

Well First off I need to know what spacing is and stop spamming all the time :D

 

[Blubolouis]

stop spamming all the time

please don't D:

 

[Abel1994]

please don't D:

Dont what?

 

[Kuro~]

Dont what?

dont stop spamming is what he meant xD.

 

[Abel1994]

So spamming is good?

 

[Kuro~]

So spamming is good?

smart camping aka what wifi noobs call spamming. yes. I've gotten to the point where i can be camping and som1 gets through my defenses that i can reset the whole situation like they never even got close. Which is why i do good with pit and falco. Im good at reading approaches.

 

[Abel1994]

round 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpGy82aDLco

 

[Kuro~]

round 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpGy82aDLco

Well you won so i cant really say anything but ill post a couple things where u had a better option and just didnt get punished for using the worse one.

 

[Damix91]

I'm really impressed by your Pit, especially seeing as you seem to have little competitive knowledge (spacing etc.). Great potential perhaps?

 

[Kaffei]

round 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpGy82aDLco

After you do an aerial and land, you always fsmash
There is a spacing spacing where when I'm in that range you'll shoot 1 arrow and then do that spinning ring move. I can't really explain it, you'll have to fix that habit yourself

Don't spam air dodge when you are landing. When ever you feel pressured you will always air dodge.
don't always roll toward the ledge when you're cornered

Don't try to shield grab mk's aerial dair

have more mindgames and fix your spacing

 

[Abel1994]

After you do an aerial and land, you always fsmash
There is a spacing spacing where when I'm in that range you'll shoot 1 arrow and then do that spinning ring move. I can't really explain it, you'll have to fix that habit yourself

Don't spam air dodge when you are landing. When ever you feel pressured you will always air dodge.
don't always roll toward the ledge when you're cornered

Don't try to shield grab mk's aerial dair

have more mindgames and fix your spacing

lol I have no knowledge of mindgame
dont no what spacing is
and yea need arrow practice
I air spam dodge a lot and need to work on that lol

 

[Kaffei]

lol I have no knowledge of mindgame
dont no what spacing is
and yea need arrow practice
I air spam dodge a lot and need to work on that lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfBuAo_Bfvw
Watch that^
It's Melee but it still applies to Brawl

Work on the basics before you play around with Arrow techniques. Spacing, reading, adapting, character control are all what you should to work on first

 

[Abel1994]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfBuAo_Bfvw
Watch that^
It's Melee but it still applies to Brawl

Work on the basics before you play around with Arrow techniques. Spacing, reading, adapting, character control are all what you should to work on first

OK thanks ill try n learn

 

[Nitrix]

So spamming is good?

Spamming isn't good. Camping is good.

Spamming is when you simply throw out projectiles and don't analyze your oponent.

Camping is when you shoot arrows with intentions. You interpret your opponent's actions and react accordingly. Approaching a Pit that is camping is difficult because you control their approach and react effectively, either dealing damage or sending them far away to restart the cycle.

Basically camping is spamming while using your brain.

Alot of the stuff Kaffei said was good regarding the video. You F-smash alot when you land.

That Metaknight walked into a whole lot of stuff lol

 

[Kuro~]

Spamming isn't good. Camping is good.

Spamming is when you simply throw out projectiles and don't analyze your oponent.

Camping is when you shoot arrows with intentions. You interpret your opponent's actions and react accordingly. Approaching a Pit that is camping is difficult because you control their approach and react effectively, either dealing damage or sending them far away to restart the cycle.

Basically camping is spamming while using your brain.

Alot of the stuff Kaffei said was good regarding the video. You F-smash alot when you land.

That Metaknight walked into a whole lot of stuff lol

ikr? lol.

 

[Kaffei]

That Metaknight walked into a whole lot of stuff lol

HD TV + Wifi + 1am johns

 

[Abel1994]

HD TV + Wifi + 1am johns

I tought Wii needs a hd cable to be hd o-o the blue red green cable

 

[Kuro~]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKmv9IyRZUc&feature=sub k guys...i've beaten good mk's before i beat good peaches. Im still learning this mu and its very weird for me. Just thought i'd post it to find out any glaring mu errors k i already know where my personal mistakes/successes were. But feel free to say w/e u want.

I fought another peach later on in tourney of =skill and did alot better. I'm starting to grasp the mu on my own but stilll...

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

alright kuro ill critique this. since you said you know your successes im not gonna take the time to point them out.

first 30 seconds the only thing i see done right against peach is the wingdash. pits dtilt beats peach on the ground. if you get a jab in cancell it into dtilt and keep her spaced like that. also dtilt sets her up to be chased down by tipper fair.

she pulled a sword. not that big of a problem if you know what to do. all her sword moves are laggy. you need to stay close on her when she gots a sword if they don't just throw it. your jab and dtilt will keep hitting first. if anything

00.36 you should have taken that sword dude. pits beam sword ftilt is like as fast as jab, goes out RIDICULOUSLY far, can kill, outrprioritize, dude learn to use her rare items. it makes it unfair in pits favor.

00.40 if your gonna do anything lege wise against peach it should be jump away and then bouncing back with arrow reverse, shoot peach, and then regrab. i mean ya uair if she gets close but honestly the edge is not where pit beats peach if she is guarding him.

00.51 if peach floats you hit her with tipper fair. there is virtually nothing she can do as it eats through normal turnips. you can also use pits usmash to really wreck some shop here especially wtih hyphen smash the 2SJC u-smash as that allow to run away afterwords. you can also just keep running away and short hop arrow as you move away kinda like run away lazer with falco to put it in fellow secondary terms.

00.53-01.00 change up the timing on your arrows to throw her off. throughout the whole match you never really do anything but generic arrow spam which is easy avoid. i mean all your doing by not shooting it immediately is charging it and making it better so why not? also if peach is within glide toss distance and has a turnip learn to AR that ****.

that first kill could have been avoided easy dude. you let your self get pressured into holding your sheild up when she was right in front of you. JAB and short hop nair are what would have saved you there. also when they throw a turnip up like just WOI it on the fall down. again if your gonna fight on the edge against peach more bounced arrow.

second life as im watching this.... WAY TO MUCH dair camping dude. i mean peach isn't even afraid of dair as it puts in position to hit you with her own dair. plus her fair outranges it so why bother throwing it out uselessly when its almost pointless here.. you've just gotta keep going for that dtilt, tipper fair, and you need more retreating pivot arrow. you can punish alot of her animations like pulling turnips and going into float and her retreating floating fair by running away and pivot arrow.

01.55-02.04 so peach is on the edge. you have alot of ways to royally **** peach if shes on the edge. the LAST thing you wanted to do there was dair as it puts her up and while everyone knows "pits is the best when he is below, he can fire arrows and juggle and" blah blah blah im not saying peach above pit is bad. im saying peach on the edge is why we beat peach 55:45. if she stays there stay back and aim at her finger tips (come on man you convinced me this was good and now i **** with it, take your own advice sir). or because we are pit and we are just so ****ing boss like that you can spam dtilt to have the blade stop just at the edge as its goes down and out farther than the blades animation until that hits her. then just follow up with fair and arrow her till she is back to the ledge, rinse spit and repeat.

02.25 while it is an easy thing to do no one seems to take advantage of angled straight arrows. instead of curving it up to hit her from below just shoot diagonal up straight arrows. they seem to hit almost every time from that approximate spacing.

im not done im gonna say more later. gotta put laundry in the dryer