Rizen
Smash Legend
^What's OST?
My sink leaked water underneath. I'll be glad to get out of this place.
My sink leaked water underneath. I'll be glad to get out of this place.
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Also... 6 am texts from a fellow Smasher over some argument that I didn't know about. Just got up, check it out... well, knowing my past rants, you probably know I'm going to say how disappointing it was, however with a new twist. The who situation wasn't even legit. It didn't fit the hype I was texted about. lol. It's all good though, because the guy who texted me complaining, I did did the right thing and told him to contact an mod or admin so they could intervene and prevent anything more from happening. My advice worked. So something good at least came out of it all.
Hang in there Rizen!
Also... 6 am texts from a fellow Smasher over some argument that I didn't know about. Just got up, check it out... well, knowing my past rants, you probably know I'm going to say how disappointing it was, however with a new twist. The who situation wasn't even legit. It didn't fit the hype I was texted about. lol. It's all good though, because the guy who texted me complaining, I did did the right thing and told him to contact an mod or admin so they could intervene and prevent anything more from happening. My advice worked. So something good at least came out of it all.
Hang in there Rizen!
Heero Yuy
#sweg
(insert something interesting about life that's going on right now but I don't know how to put it in words)
I wanna play Smash again.
I wanna play Smash again.
Rizen
Smash Legend
@ Zane I played a good ROB last night and am certain the MU is -1 Link. The games went back and forth but I won a good amount of them. Here's some replays of Link vs ROB:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ajB-Xfrj5M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR9J7BjkMO4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ypdFMt19Lg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILEL2Jj8c5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlRjLjKXYxA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYdOr4Y21Lc
(Know what's awesome? I clicked 'copy the Link location' to past these; my computer knows where Link is
)
The MU can be really tricky and is full of mind games and reads to see who can keep the spacing their character likes. Link KOs earlier but ROB gimps. Link needs to space just out side ROB's reach, which is tricky, and that can be above tilts too.
It's weird because ROB has great tilt and aerial reach so Zair spacing is better than Fair usually. Shield grab is actually really good at countering ROB's ground pressure. DI out of tilts>grab or Fsmash can counter if ROB spams them too much. Jab/Dsmash out ranges ROB's Dsmash for quick ground options. Quick SH bair is extremely useful to get ROB off Link because it's actually fast enough to match ROB's speed.
Here's ROB's hitbubbles and frame data:
http://smashboards.com/threads/robs-frame-hitbox-data.255281/
Both characters have a heck of a time approaching and KOing so the lead is very important. Generally Link needs to play more passively and ROB more aggressively. Platforms are Link's friend; the seriously boost Link's spacing and hurt ROB's options. Link already has a good anti-planking/sharking game so with the right SH spam spacing ROB can be forced onstage.
I also got an awesome wind gimp at the end of this Falco game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjdxFdiHFfo
My quest to get Link's Gale Boomerang some respect continues.
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Well I have to move my mom tomorrow. She got a nice place with lots of windows so we're happy. We were worried only cruddy places would be available. Lots of work ahead but at least we're sure we can move forward finally.
I'm tired but in a good mood today. It dips and rises :/
@ Ano we should use the Social thread for Q&A and get rid of the separate Q&A thread. IMO. Good work locking all the threads spamming the forums
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ajB-Xfrj5M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR9J7BjkMO4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ypdFMt19Lg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILEL2Jj8c5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlRjLjKXYxA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYdOr4Y21Lc
(Know what's awesome? I clicked 'copy the Link location' to past these; my computer knows where Link is
)The MU can be really tricky and is full of mind games and reads to see who can keep the spacing their character likes. Link KOs earlier but ROB gimps. Link needs to space just out side ROB's reach, which is tricky, and that can be above tilts too.
It's weird because ROB has great tilt and aerial reach so Zair spacing is better than Fair usually. Shield grab is actually really good at countering ROB's ground pressure. DI out of tilts>grab or Fsmash can counter if ROB spams them too much. Jab/Dsmash out ranges ROB's Dsmash for quick ground options. Quick SH bair is extremely useful to get ROB off Link because it's actually fast enough to match ROB's speed.
Here's ROB's hitbubbles and frame data:
http://smashboards.com/threads/robs-frame-hitbox-data.255281/
Both characters have a heck of a time approaching and KOing so the lead is very important. Generally Link needs to play more passively and ROB more aggressively. Platforms are Link's friend; the seriously boost Link's spacing and hurt ROB's options. Link already has a good anti-planking/sharking game so with the right SH spam spacing ROB can be forced onstage.
I also got an awesome wind gimp at the end of this Falco game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjdxFdiHFfo
My quest to get Link's Gale Boomerang some respect continues.
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Well I have to move my mom tomorrow. She got a nice place with lots of windows so we're happy. We were worried only cruddy places would be available. Lots of work ahead but at least we're sure we can move forward finally.
I'm tired but in a good mood today. It dips and rises :/
@ Ano we should use the Social thread for Q&A and get rid of the separate Q&A thread. IMO. Good work locking all the threads spamming the forums
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Scabe
Successful Businessman
There was like only 8 people for Brawl haha. Around 22 for Melee I think, and maybe 15 for Project M. I made $88 that day from winnings.
Lately I've been trying to control the center more with other characters I use, t. It got me thinking of how when I use Link, I like to stand near the edge and spam.
Is it bad to play near the sides with Link? When I do, I noticed I feel a bit more pressure. What are your thoughts?
Rizen
Smash Legend
IMO stage control is important with any character. Link should give him self room to maneuver and back up as needed when he is able. So Link shouldn't stay at the edge when he can advance.
Link does have a pretty good edge reset game by backwards SH>FF>tether the ledge up to 3 times for invulnerability then stall and bomb pull/shoot arrow or ledge hop Fair, jump etc, etc. But he shouldn't linger by the ledge.
Zane the pure
Smash Ace
His Legde game is above par for the course and is really only limited by his liability when recovering and how easily he can be gimped by competent players.
@
Rizen
Thanks for the advice man, I'll be certain to adjust my brain properly next time and cut the robot's power supply lol
Also if anyone needs epic OSTs I got ya covered with suggestions. I've been rummaging through Tekken 6 for a bit today and think this to be especially amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELDp6ssB1Io
@
Rizen
Thanks for the advice man, I'll be certain to adjust my brain properly next time and cut the robot's power supply lolAlso if anyone needs epic OSTs I got ya covered with suggestions. I've been rummaging through Tekken 6 for a bit today and think this to be especially amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELDp6ssB1Io
Heero Yuy
#sweg
So it's safe to say I've passed on leadership of my Melee scene to a different guy, and I have no regrets. I'm not nearly as passionate about Smash as he is, plus I'm enjoying Brawl and Project M way more these days. Either way, college life is more awesome than Smash overall, so yeah.
Epic OST is epic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZQ2s9aXaiA
link and ike lover
Smash Lord
This is sooooo funny u guys should check it out http://youtu.be/gD-nzHy2DdU!
Rage!!! What's up with flappy birds lately it's sooooooo boring!!!! Well anyway i laughed to death when i saw this
Rage!!! What's up with flappy birds lately it's sooooooo boring!!!! Well anyway i laughed to death when i saw this
Heero Yuy
#sweg
Flappy bird gets fun when you compete with your friends for the best score...
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link and ike lover
Smash Lord
Yeah you're right!
Hilarious Profile picture!
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Rizen
Smash Legend
I got my mom moved so that's a load off my mind. If I'm moving I might not have internet for a few days or I might.
GoblinGamerKid
Smash Cadet
I don't know if these boards discuss on things or not anymore..
but anyways does anyone have some ideas/strats for Link vs falco mu? I honestly didn't know where to ask this cause its been awhile since anyone was active on the other boards.
but anyways does anyone have some ideas/strats for Link vs falco mu? I honestly didn't know where to ask this cause its been awhile since anyone was active on the other boards.
Huggles828
Aimin' to Misbehave
Best strategy is pick another character
For reals though, Falco kinda destroys Link. You have to severely outplay your opponent to win. I think we had a discussion on the MU a while back somewhere around here.
For reals though, Falco kinda destroys Link. You have to severely outplay your opponent to win. I think we had a discussion on the MU a while back somewhere around here.
Heero Yuy
#sweg
Everybody knows MK is the only good character in Brawl.
But yeah, against Falco use this cute wittle guy. (o ^ . ^o)\ \ I think he's Link's best secondary.
But yeah, against Falco use this cute wittle guy. (o ^ . ^o)\ \ I think he's Link's best secondary.
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Naroghin
Smash Ace
It kind of looks like we're just joking around till Rizen posts a serious response complete with video examples :D
Vs. Falco remember that he can't just straight up CG->Spike you. You can double jump and UpB back to the ledge w/o Falco being able to steal it. Falco can drop and back-air you out of your UpB, but if you tech the stage you can safely UpB back to the stage and tether edgehog.
Sounds tough to do? Yeah, it is, but it's possible. That's the name of the game with Falco. Bombs outprioritize his lasers and go right through them, but Falco's laser spam is something I've never really been able to deal with. Any tips from anyone else on that would be appreciated.
Falco can do a lot of up-close pressure through his quick jabs, reflector, etc. with decent range, so try to keep Falco at the very tip of your range when up close (preferably set-up approaches/retreats through zair) and keep a bomb in your hand at all times (learn how to do aerials with bomb in hand for when Falco is up close). Jab can cancel out Falco's sideB if he tries to do that through you iirc.
Edgeguard-wise, I believe nair also cancels out Falco's sideB and has the additional bonus of having a low knockback angle; this is good because Falco's biggest weakness is his vertical recovery. If you can get him below the stage, his recovery is easily blocked through tether regrabs on the ledge--this is probably Link's biggest advantage against Falco. Falco also struggles with killing power, but if you can make it past CG range then he'll have a harder time killing you. iirc his best killing moves versus Link will be Fsmash and bair due to their speed and knockback angle, so be cautious as he might try and get an early kill on you that way. USmash works as well but only at very high percents.
I've never successfully beaten a competitive Falco; it's not impossible to win, but it will be a difficult battle. It's one of Link's toughest MUs, so it's worth picking up a secondary for this matchup.
Sounds tough to do? Yeah, it is, but it's possible. That's the name of the game with Falco. Bombs outprioritize his lasers and go right through them, but Falco's laser spam is something I've never really been able to deal with. Any tips from anyone else on that would be appreciated.
Falco can do a lot of up-close pressure through his quick jabs, reflector, etc. with decent range, so try to keep Falco at the very tip of your range when up close (preferably set-up approaches/retreats through zair) and keep a bomb in your hand at all times (learn how to do aerials with bomb in hand for when Falco is up close). Jab can cancel out Falco's sideB if he tries to do that through you iirc.
Edgeguard-wise, I believe nair also cancels out Falco's sideB and has the additional bonus of having a low knockback angle; this is good because Falco's biggest weakness is his vertical recovery. If you can get him below the stage, his recovery is easily blocked through tether regrabs on the ledge--this is probably Link's biggest advantage against Falco. Falco also struggles with killing power, but if you can make it past CG range then he'll have a harder time killing you. iirc his best killing moves versus Link will be Fsmash and bair due to their speed and knockback angle, so be cautious as he might try and get an early kill on you that way. USmash works as well but only at very high percents.
I've never successfully beaten a competitive Falco; it's not impossible to win, but it will be a difficult battle. It's one of Link's toughest MUs, so it's worth picking up a secondary for this matchup.
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Heero Yuy
#sweg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31cYJML6veE (Scizor really handles the matchup well in this video, but note that Larry gets the hard read next game.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4_F9HN7blE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIKhhmGb85U
You're welcome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4_F9HN7blE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIKhhmGb85U
You're welcome.
Rizen
Smash Legend
vs Falco, what Ano said but I'm not sure Nair beats Falco's sideB.
Ban FD no matter what. Brinstar is by far the best stage vs Falco but it probably won't be legal unless it's a MK banned tourney. BE is next best then Lylat.
The key to success (or not losing as hard) on any stage is: platform camping. Falco shuts Link down when Link's in front of him but Link has better capabilities from above or below. Angle projectiles down and use bombs in tricky ways to get Falco in the air then juggle. Remember Falco can't kill Link unless he gets close so bombs are great cover.
Arrows and Boomerang are good to stop Falco's sideB recoveries and Link can go for a jab/arrow lock after hitting with a boomerang. Link has a decent intercepting game with projectiles and quick Z-tethers.
To KO Link has some mindgames. Air dodge and Zair mix ups can dodge laser>hit with zair>chain to a smash. If Link dodges or shields Falco's reflector Link gets a free Fsmash; this can be done by baiting Shine with projectile patterns and bomb smashing instead of throwing it. Jump above Falco>throw bomb down>footstool/Dair. Sometimes I like to run>spot dodge slide>Dsmash as a surprise aggressive ground attack since Link should usually not fight Falco from the ground. If you DI out of jabs sometimes you can shield reflector or grab/Fsmash/Zair through the jabs if Falco's stupid with them (he shouldn't be). Zair/bomb tricks can get Falco in the air then you can try to juggle and punish his landings. Uthrow should KO at 170% or slightly earlier depending on the stage.
If you notice a habit of Falco trying to Dsmash fishing for KOs Link can whiplash it. Link can survive off the top over 150% and Link can give Falco a hard time making him chase you down. Don't be afraid of having high damage because Link can chip away at Falco's damage when he goes for the KO.
While this sounds optimistic, the truth is that Falco is a really bad MU at -3. His lasers stop Link in his tracks and phantasm resets the situation. Link needs good reads and to out-play but Falco can simply press B to stop most of it. Falco's also much faster and can time out with the lead. IMO offline Falco's much harder than on wifi.
IMO MK is harder than Falco slightly.
Ban FD no matter what. Brinstar is by far the best stage vs Falco but it probably won't be legal unless it's a MK banned tourney. BE is next best then Lylat.
The key to success (or not losing as hard) on any stage is: platform camping. Falco shuts Link down when Link's in front of him but Link has better capabilities from above or below. Angle projectiles down and use bombs in tricky ways to get Falco in the air then juggle. Remember Falco can't kill Link unless he gets close so bombs are great cover.
Arrows and Boomerang are good to stop Falco's sideB recoveries and Link can go for a jab/arrow lock after hitting with a boomerang. Link has a decent intercepting game with projectiles and quick Z-tethers.
To KO Link has some mindgames. Air dodge and Zair mix ups can dodge laser>hit with zair>chain to a smash. If Link dodges or shields Falco's reflector Link gets a free Fsmash; this can be done by baiting Shine with projectile patterns and bomb smashing instead of throwing it. Jump above Falco>throw bomb down>footstool/Dair. Sometimes I like to run>spot dodge slide>Dsmash as a surprise aggressive ground attack since Link should usually not fight Falco from the ground. If you DI out of jabs sometimes you can shield reflector or grab/Fsmash/Zair through the jabs if Falco's stupid with them (he shouldn't be). Zair/bomb tricks can get Falco in the air then you can try to juggle and punish his landings. Uthrow should KO at 170% or slightly earlier depending on the stage.
If you notice a habit of Falco trying to Dsmash fishing for KOs Link can whiplash it. Link can survive off the top over 150% and Link can give Falco a hard time making him chase you down. Don't be afraid of having high damage because Link can chip away at Falco's damage when he goes for the KO.
While this sounds optimistic, the truth is that Falco is a really bad MU at -3. His lasers stop Link in his tracks and phantasm resets the situation. Link needs good reads and to out-play but Falco can simply press B to stop most of it. Falco's also much faster and can time out with the lead. IMO offline Falco's much harder than on wifi.
IMO MK is harder than Falco slightly.
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Rizen
Smash Legend
Lol.
Well I got the porch cleaned and got a lot of stuff done. I'm like- (dare I say it?!) like-
Buisness cat! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNhycX0XCJ0
Well I got the porch cleaned and got a lot of stuff done. I'm like- (dare I say it?!) like-
Buisness cat! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNhycX0XCJ0
Indeed. Get 'er done.
Edit: Can business cat teach me how to better manage diversity than my current professor? All I've been hearing the past couple of weeks in that class have been the typical racism propoganda b.s that we've been fed our whole lives. :x
Edit: Can business cat teach me how to better manage diversity than my current professor? All I've been hearing the past couple of weeks in that class have been the typical racism propoganda b.s that we've been fed our whole lives. :x
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Irisz
The Wanderer
Gonna take a quick peek through here
Hi guys, I'm IrisZ, a current Link/Falco main
I posted somewhere on the Link boards for people to critique my Link some time ago (probably a year - 6 months ago)
Does anyone still use Link? Offline? Online?
I was inspired by creeping at some of the Mario boards stuff and wanted to ask if anyone wanted to make some sort of community Link combo vid/compilation
Sorry if I posted in the wrong place - this thread seems the most active and this post would probably get the most views here
Hi guys, I'm IrisZ, a current Link/Falco main
I posted somewhere on the Link boards for people to critique my Link some time ago (probably a year - 6 months ago)
Does anyone still use Link? Offline? Online?
I was inspired by creeping at some of the Mario boards stuff and wanted to ask if anyone wanted to make some sort of community Link combo vid/compilation
Sorry if I posted in the wrong place - this thread seems the most active and this post would probably get the most views here
Rizen
Smash Legend
That sucks. Racism is so stupid and weak.
This is the right place to post
I use Link on wifi and offline but not as often. Several people are semi-active with him.
I'm not against making a combo video but I'm not good with editing software. People could submit stuff.
Only for Smash 64 and P:M, however if I do use Link in Brawl, it's for casual matches because he's fun.
Huggles828
Aimin' to Misbehave
I pretty much never play on wifi. My strengths have always been punishing openings I think (particularly as Wario) and more timing based stuff and that gets wrecked in wifi (plus messes up my timing offline) so I tend to avoid it. Although now that pretty much everyone has an HD TV now that's kinda getting harder to do, haha.
But yeah, I haven't been to a tourney in who knows how long. Stupid contributing to society getting in the way of my vidjya games...
But yeah, I haven't been to a tourney in who knows how long. Stupid contributing to society getting in the way of my vidjya games...
Rizen
Smash Legend
^I hear that. I miss a lot of smash things from life and stuff too.
link and ike lover
Smash Lord
I Use link online and offline and I would love o make a combo video with u!!!
Hey guys, I'd like your opinion about this and it's something I've been thinking about for a while but don't know how practical it'd be so here it goes:
Situation: Smashcon runs two monthly events, each of the brawl events get between 6-12 people on average. Not everyone in the community travels to both events but we do see two or three of the same people show. Despite this, our PR is fairly accurate, but at this point in time, we have a few people who are very close in skill and when it comes time for Smashcon's conventions twice a year, seeding would be tricky.
My solution: Because of the relatively small turnouts of the events and the fact the events are run all day, I'd want to try running round robin instead of brackets. I'd make the appropriate amount of pools depending on the amount of entrants to where 3-4 people to be dumped into the "Grande Finalist" pool. The people in the Grande Finalist pool would play for the respective placings of 1st-3rd (or 4th). At least in this way, we'd have a more detailed W-L record of everyone. I believe given the circumstances, it's doable.
Potential criticisms:
1) Because I've never done this before, it might protentially take longer than it should.
2) I don't think with RR, there's a way to rank other people in pools who didn't get 1st-3rd(or 4th).
Thoughts?
Situation: Smashcon runs two monthly events, each of the brawl events get between 6-12 people on average. Not everyone in the community travels to both events but we do see two or three of the same people show. Despite this, our PR is fairly accurate, but at this point in time, we have a few people who are very close in skill and when it comes time for Smashcon's conventions twice a year, seeding would be tricky.
My solution: Because of the relatively small turnouts of the events and the fact the events are run all day, I'd want to try running round robin instead of brackets. I'd make the appropriate amount of pools depending on the amount of entrants to where 3-4 people to be dumped into the "Grande Finalist" pool. The people in the Grande Finalist pool would play for the respective placings of 1st-3rd (or 4th). At least in this way, we'd have a more detailed W-L record of everyone. I believe given the circumstances, it's doable.
Potential criticisms:
1) Because I've never done this before, it might protentially take longer than it should.
2) I don't think with RR, there's a way to rank other people in pools who didn't get 1st-3rd(or 4th).
Thoughts?
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Having DONE RR for small Smash events before, it will take a very long time to get through. Either make sure you will have a LOT of TVs available (1 for every two competitors is optimal; so if you are expecting 25 people, then 10-12 TVs for tournament matches) OR just make sure you are willing to run RR for several hours. Without anything else about the details, that's what I'd recommend.
So if you're expecting 35-50+ people then you should probably consider something else. If you're just expecting 6-12 people? RR will still take 1-3 hours unless you've got a lot of TVs.
So if you're expecting 35-50+ people then you should probably consider something else. If you're just expecting 6-12 people? RR will still take 1-3 hours unless you've got a lot of TVs.
Yeah, my events start at about 12-1pm, but the venue doesn't close until 12am (which is why I said all day). I typically get 6-12 people for Brawl alone (usually also the amount of people who show up). I'm lucky enough to get 2-4 set-ups for Brawl, so even if pools take a couple of hours, I'd have time. Hope that gives you a better idea of what I'm working with.
Obviously I would use brackets if it got any bigger than that.
Okay, yeah. RR is actually really good for smaller groups like that, so long as it doesn't interfere with other events. You can expect about an hour per six people for three TVs, so if using that kind of estimation it runs too long for you I'd go with brackets anyways.
Heero Yuy
#sweg
I use Link in P:M only - where he is flippin' amazing. He's very frustrating to use in Brawl (because IMO he's the 2nd-to-worst character in the game), but don't get me wrong he's REALLY fun. Melee Link is also fun but he's still balls in the game. 64 Link I use occasionally but I really only tend to use Captain Falcon and Mario.
I have to use Link in all games or what kind of Guardian of Zelda would that make me?
I have to use Link in all games or what kind of Guardian of Zelda would that make me?
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Rizen
Smash Legend
IMO Brawl Link's either 4th or 5th worst, about what CF is. Link's better than Ganon, Jiggz and Zelda though.
Naroghin
Smash Ace
Yeah, you just have to know how to apply all of his tools for spacing and setups, not just getting hits in.
Heero Yuy
#sweg
This is just me. Bowser > Zelda > Ganon > Link > Puff.
Have always put CF above Bowser just because of his speed. As for Puff, she just sucks all-out in Brawl... Everything about her was nerfed from Melee. Good timing out ability, but that's about it.
Have always put CF above Bowser just because of his speed. As for Puff, she just sucks all-out in Brawl... Everything about her was nerfed from Melee. Good timing out ability, but that's about it.
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