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[Rizen]

Competitive smash is a floating nest of vipers. (FFXIII reference)
I like playing in competitive ways but doing it for fun. By that I mean competitive rules not FFAs. I'm just hoping SSB4 has decent wifi.

@Red Ryu, you should post here more often

Should I stop posting videos, btw? If people aren't interested I can stop.

AiB seems to be down for good for those who haven't heard.
http://allisbrawl.com/

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I should.

Also as for AiB, a lot of my friends think it was for the best with how the last year or two have gone.

 

[Rizen]

AiB was down so much :[. I heard the owner stopped caring about the site but IDK what really happened.

 

[Heero Yuy]

Good riddance to All is Fail. Sorry but not only did I find the community and Wi-Fi ladder terrible, but Nealdt just horribly handled the site and let down so many people.

(But if it's true that the guy is married then I don't really blame him. Family is the more important thing after all.)

 

[Bomber7]

MLG should buy AiB, if not AlphaZealot should.

 

[Anonano]

Oh look, a wild LucarioRyu.

I've started getting into League of Legends lately, and I'm liking the game. I have tons of friends who play it, and many of them are the same skill level as me (meaning brand new, ha ha). The game is free, and it has a kitty pool for brand new players like me to jump into and splash around in until we are good enough to stand on our own two feet. I'm a little down about having to unlock the heroes I want to play, and paying for character textures that I want, but it's a small price to pay for a game that is free to play, is competitive, and almost all of my friends play. I'm really trying to get into it right now, ha ha.

 

[Bomber7]

If you need a partner, just message me. I don't play unless someone asks me. LoL is fun, but it's boring as hell to play alone. Hit me up whenever you want to play. I play assassins: Katarina, Pantheon, and Twisted Fate, with a splash of Ziggs when I'm in the mood.

 

[Anonano]

I'm pretty much only doing v. AI--Beginner matches right now until I can unlock the heroes I want and get a hang on them. ATM I'm playing as Warwick, and I'm trying to unlock Anivia (who looks like she'll be my favorite, as I loved Jakiro as a nuker in the couple of weeks I played DoTa 2) and Renekton. Just get me your summoner name and I'll add you as a friend so you can see whenever I'm online.

Tbh, I'm pretty much hoping to replace the competitive Smash in my life with LoL because it's a much more vast community and because I can play with other players around my skill range any time I want to hop on. None of this "the company won't support us" and horrible WiFi bullcrap (I'm not mad about this btw, it's just how it is). I will also be able to play free from my computer whenever I have wifi--so practicing won't be a huge commitment, like getting a job so I can afford to drive to various smashfests or tournaments that are almost an hour away.

I wouldn't really be trying to make this decision if Nintendo didn't still seem so reluctant to support competitive Smash, but unless they change their view from "we're going to have to go to a middle ground here between casual and competitive gamers" to "let's support both casual and competitive gamers" I don't really see too much hope for it. They're just kind of hoping that they can somehow get hardcore gamers to like their game just because "Look, they added some features they tried to take out before" back in while neglecting the fact that officially supporting their consumers in hardcore events will do more for them than anything ever will (Nintendo's lack of support for the scene appears to be the single major factor in Melee losing its MLG game status, returning Melee gamers back to a kind of underground limbo state--and they still aren't changing that with Smash 4). I'm hoping they'll make WiFi better and add in more game-customization options to it--and so even thinking they'll add in something like a ladder is pretty farfetched.
I'm not dropping Smash at all, but I feel this kind of puts into words all of the things that I've hoped for the Smash scene since '08 and haven't been able to see happen. Smash 4 might be better than Brawl, but it will be worse than Melee and it will lack the ever-so-important acceptance from its parent company--a lack of warmth that has at times amounted to cold shouldering the community, like at EVO. I'm going to make a few of the events that I can and that I think will be fun, run my college's Smash League and probably leave it at that. Hopefully Smash 4 is better though.

Also, I'm getting rid of that red post color because in large blocks of text it REALLY messes with my eyes on this background. It looks way too bright, and my eyes start sliding all over the text. Now to go back and make all my previous posts red, ha ha

 

[Rizen]

^Melee wasn't exactly the most balanced game either, to be fair. I think even if SSB4 isn't all the way Melee it's heading in a good direction and if they do a good job balancing on top of that it could become more competitive than Melee. Let's face it balance is the biggest obstruction in Brawl; it still has lots of ATs and hard core play. It's just that MK can tap B and beat 95% of it.

 

[Heero Yuy]

Smash 4 might be better than Brawl, but it will be worse than Melee and it will lack the ever-so-important acceptance from its parent company--a lack of warmth that has at times amounted to cold shouldering the community, like at EVO. I'm going to make a few of the events that I can and that I think will be fun, run my college's Smash League and probably leave it at that. Hopefully Smash 4 is better though.

...That makes Melee bad? What? If Brawl were at EVO I guarantee you that it would've been contested by Nintendo, too.

Brawl is extremely imbalanced, even without MK. Heck I would enjoy Brawl a lot more if there were no IC's, due to the fact M2K said in an interview it was a broken strategy that ruins the game.

I'll make an argument in favor of Smash 4 for a change. I don't see at all why Smash 4 will be imbalanced. Melee isn't as balanced as one makes it to be, it's just far more balanced and competitive-viable than Brawl. Just because Smash 4 lacks Melee mechanics doesn't mean it won't be balanced.

Low tier Brawl ftw.

 

[Rizen]

ICs are broken but lol at the situation of an MK losing to ICs and calling them broken. MK is the most broken character.
ICs wouldn't be as bad with stage like Brinstar but for that MK needs to be banned and this opens a bag of cats...

 

[Bomber7]

This is the ONLY way I'll view Smash 4 as balanced: the best and worst MUs are + or - 2. None of this BS where the worst character's best MU is like a -5 *coughganoncough*.

I may be bais toward the P4 tier list, but it's a pretty damn balanced game.

Also be careful Ano, LoL has a community which reminds me a lot of the CoD community. Sniveling little brats who act tough and whine about every little thing. It's the only game I know that you can be reported for being bad at the game. Also be warned, if you don't establish leadership early game, then you will be reported for insubordination if you don't do what the person barking orders says. Also, LoL is full of quitters. If there's a 10 kill deficit, your team will surrender in 20 minutes or less or your pizza is free.

 

[Anonano]

...That makes Melee bad? What? If Brawl were at EVO I guarantee you that it would've been contested by Nintendo, too.

What is this I don't even--
Did you read my whole post? lol

Don't get so defensive, and read my whole post before making one like that. I like Melee and I clearly infer in that post that I thoroughly consider Melee to be the better representative Smash game competitively. Whether Brawl will have had better reception or worse has nothing to do with my argument--which is that Nintendo has recently been known to aggressively attack competitive Smash. Melee is representative of competitive Smash. If I just dissed Melee then I dissed Brawl too.

Really, bro. You're a friend. Don't jump at my throat like I'd insult your game. I'm really mad that you'd do that to me.

This is more broadly aimed towards the turn of our discussion, but: What on earth makes you think it will be balanced, ha ha? The unfortunate truth of competitive games is: Not all aspects (strategy, mechanics, etc) are created equal. The questions are (1) how exciting the elements end up being and (2) how balanced the developers can get said aspects of the game. The developers of Smash 4 seem to be putting an emphasis on character balance, so I do hope that Smash 4 will have significantly better balance than the previous two. But will it meet up to the excitement of Melee? I put my foot down on this and say no, it will in no way be as exciting. It will not have the speed or the combo potential to be as exciting (remember that Sakurai said they are aiming for the median of the two games).

 

[Rizen]

^It's all in the magical world of make believe anyway so, sure SSB4 will be balanced. Why not? And I won the lottery

'Balanced' is probably too strong a word but if SSB4 was more balanced than Brawl or Melee it would definitely help convince people of the competitive aspects. Things like game patches after it's release would help and the director said he'd focus more on balancing and include his staff. There's hope.

 

[Bomber7]

I like seeing discussions about balance and no one really gives their criteria on what a "balanced" game is. To me, with all the yammering they do, they make it sound like "balanced" = "utopian" and because I could care less how you guys take this "communist" even. Utopian and communist go hand in hand, don't kid yourself.

Anyway, back on to the main subject. In my mind, the utopian balanced game is where every character does the same amount of damage, but each has a different playstyle. Not so much to where you'd have a character that was obviously a tank, but waas limited by slowness. Have the tanky character, have his moveset compliment their physcal properties (is all I'm really getting at), but everyone does the same amount of damage and moves at the same speed. You could also argue that the imbalance would come in with the playstyles; some could be better than others therefore creating a huge tip on the balancing scale. I somehow feel this explanation didn't get my point across 100%, but I really just want you guys to understand the main idea behind it.

TL;DR- Going back to what I thinkk of P4 and comapring it to other games I've played. A balanced fighting game should be one where everyone has the the statistical probability to beat one another, but the only way to truly establish a metagame is through skill, more in depth skill. Speaking from the perspective of having a fighting game like P4 where "skill" heavily is made of your creativity, mix-ups, and ability to just outperform your opponent in those ways, not outcamp them like in brawl. In a way, what the melee documentary said "You make your own combos". However, Melee obviously had it's balance issues, well, how can you say a party game has balance issues when balance issues belong to the realm of fighting games, the kind of game Smash has an never will be intended to be.

TL;DR:TL;DR- Fail TL;DR

 

[Anonano]

Rizen, that thumb is amazing and could possibly deserve meme writing all over it

TL;DR:TL;DR- Fail TL;DR

I have no idea what the heck you were talking about but this is the best analogy of life I've ever seen

 

[Rizen]

Okay now Rizen approves:

(the thumb was always this size; you must have imagined it bigger >.> <.< >.>)

Is any game where players can choose characters with different abilities balanced? Even Mario Kart has tiers (Funky Kong being the best iirc). The best balance we will realistically get is what Bomber said, with no character having more extreme MUs than +/-2. All even or +/-1s isn't going to happen.

 

[Heero Yuy]

What is this I don't even--
Did you read my whole post? lol

Don't get so defensive, and read my whole post before making one like that. I like Melee and I clearly infer in that post that I thoroughly consider Melee to be the better representative Smash game competitively. Whether Brawl will have had better reception or worse has nothing to do with my argument--which is that Nintendo has recently been known to aggressively attack competitive Smash. Melee is representative of competitive Smash. If I just dissed Melee then I dissed Brawl too.

Really, bro. You're a friend. Don't jump at my throat like I'd insult your game. I'm really mad that you'd do that to me.

Um I could've worded my previous post way harsher, and reading over my post I didn't see anywhere where I'd attack you. Also FYI I did read your entire post and that part I quoted seemed vaguely worded is all. And the whole Brawl being imbalanced thing was in response to Rizen's post. Chill out please, I wasn't insulting you by any means.

And I can't go on why Smash 4 could potentially be more balanced without writing a full novel. It may not have the competitive viability but I see already a few buffs in... Lets take for example Link has his new spiking Dair. Could it be better with Smash 4's mechanics as opposed his Dair in Brawl? It could be for the better or the worst. Plus, I'll go ahead and say this: "inb4sakuraiannouncessthepatchsystemfromtraditionalfighters".

P.S. Insomnia sucks...

 

[Rizen]

^Insomnia does suck
At least I got some good work done today without being too depressed. You've gotta 'hand' it to me! Give me a 'big hand'!

 

[Heero Yuy]

Here you go Rizen. Two big hands just for you.

P.S. Good job on getting that work done. You make me proud, son.

 

[Bomber7]

Rizen is my hero.

 

[Rizen]

I did see a big herd of Elk and three moose the other day. I'll post pics when I upload them.

and big horned sheep:

http://imageshack.com/a/img833/2851/nmmx.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img440/5779/t21q.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img30/757/4fcw.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img21/673/xwbd.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img856/5058/x6hn.jpg

 

[Bomber7]

Rizen, you take the coolest pictures. Do you do photography as a side thing? It really helps you live in CO, so you have one of the best sceneries in the world to capture.

 

[Rizen]

^Thanks. I hike and walk a lot so I bring my camera CO is a great state but not for gaming.
I''m trying to sell prints but no luck so far :/
http://collidoscope.deviantart.com/gallery/46536473

 

[Bomber7]

Try marketing them off as post cards?

 

[Heero Yuy]

So should we kiss our hopes and dreams of character balance in Smash 4 goodbye? What say you?

http://shoryuken.com/2013/11/21/mas...fairness-there-wont-be-any-personality-to-it/

 

[Fuujin]

So should we kiss our hopes and dreams of character balance in Smash 4 goodbye? What say you?

http://shoryuken.com/2013/11/21/mas...fairness-there-wont-be-any-personality-to-it/

Gurl link is always going to be bad.

^Thanks. I hike and walk a lot so I bring my camera CO is a great state but not for gaming.
I''m trying to sell prints but no luck so far :/
http://collidoscope.deviantart.com/gallery/46536473

Rizen I have been asked to been told by creepy men that I could be a model like 3 times

Yew should help a good sis out and hook me up with a photo session and some head shots.


I'll let you sit 2nd or 3rd row when I make it big and start working shows for Versace, Givenchy, Louis vuitton, etc, etc.

 

[Anonano]

Four player free for all balance, against players he always wins against.

Also, he's doing most of the work with moves and hitboxes himself.

Yup, sounds pretty Brawl-ish to me

 

[Rizen]

@Fuujin I think the distance is too far, lol.
___________________
So Sakurai is staying the course

 

[Heero Yuy]

Rizen go pay Sakurai a visit and show him what balance means by facing his Ganondorf with your MK.

 

[Rizen]

Rizen go pay Sakurai a visit and show him what balance means by facing his Ganondorf with your MK.

Probably how Brawl's balancing happened was Sakurai's MK got destroyed by Ganon. Then his ICs were destroyed by Jiggz and his Oli was destroyed by a 10 year old playing Zelda.

 

[Bomber7]

Maybe I should go over there. No matter who I play against, no matter with what character, I lose. I'm just that talented. I will super sandbag with Link even if I find his moveset to be SSS tier and then pray he doesn't catch on so we can have our reign of dominance for a generation of smash.

 

[Naroghin]

Maybe I should go over there. No matter who I play against, no matter with what character, I lose. I'm just that talented. I will super sandbag with Link even if I find his moveset to be SSS tier and then pray he doesn't catch on so we can have our reign of dominance for a generation of smash.

I would endorse this.

 

[Rizen]

The new controller I ordered came so I can stop playing with a controller that doesn't have plastic skin on the control stick.
^that sentence seem awkward. Anyway, I'm going to get a walk in soon and I'll play wifi this afternoon if anyone wants.

 

[Heero Yuy]

I have some interest in returning to competitive Brawl now. Played some friendlies with my Brawl player friend and had MK vs Marth for a little while. Later on I watched some of Otori's videos, so I changed my MK color from white to red.

When Christmas break comes around, please allow my scrubby MK to fight your amazing Links. :D

 

[Bomber7]

*yawns* I'm still alive.

 

[Rizen]

Anyone want to wifi? I'll be able to often on tonight.

 

[Heero Yuy]

Yep I'm going back to Brawl (meaning I'm juggling three games with Melee being my focus). Due to the fact that Brawl is the most popular of the four big Smash games here on-campus I may as well adapt.

MK as main, ZSS in MK-banned tourneys, and Link for low tier.

 

[Bomber7]

So in the wake of P:M 3.0, I feel the meta is going to get completely transformed. Instead of Link being a top dog (been told top 3, fail to see how), I think he might get bumped down to mid-ish tier. :/

My evidense: Kirby gimps all day, Olimar outspam, and IC- don't get grabbed.

 

[Heero Yuy]

Bomber do keep in mind that Link is known to give Puff a really hard time with his projectile game in both Melee and P:M. Note that the matchup isn't really in Link's favor, it's just not hard. I don't see how it could be so different with Kirby.

Also while I can't make an argument against Olimar, IC's can most indeed be camped by Link. IC's aren't a terrible matchup for Link either, wobbling/chaingrabbing or not.