Laundry's All-Stars Pokemon Mafia -- Pokeballs to the Pokewalls!

[Ramen King]

Huh? You said why should we shoot indy so I was assuming you meant Nabe.

What do you mean why would I want to shoot the indy? Nabe?

What are you doing?

 

[Ramen King]

I never once told you to shoot Kantrip. I told you to shoot Nabe............what the hell.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

You said I shouldn't shoot you.
You said Kantrip is probably indy.

??

You're implying I should shoot Kantrip.

but yeah, misread on my part. Didn't see your Nabe remarks to trash the night kill. It's a possibility, but once again, I wanna hear Nabe himself on this.

 

[Ramen King]

Your lock down for endgame would be shooting Nabe. My ability will be proven AND we can lynch Nabe. For you to just throw in the towel like that and say if JTB or Kantrip are scum oh well is not even fair to the rest of us at all.

This is pretty clear that I wanted you to shoot Nabe and not kill anybody. There was no implying anything.

 

[Ramen King]

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

hurdur I lay out my thought process and admit I didn't read something and you still argue it hurdur

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I was the original slot, Zen replaced in for me.

Haha, oh man. I thought it was the other way around.

 

[Kantrip]

Zen cut out your AtE to Xonar. I'm trusting him through a mixture of my read and my mimic result on him. Don't say I haven't looked at JTB because I have. And kindly shove your FUD up your ***.

Zen is appealing to me in saying "why are you trusting Xonar you are being played" while appealing to Xonar saying "don't shoot me look at how scummy these people are."

He is scum and needs to die. Getting his way with wasting the shot and lynching Nabe results in his win as scum. This is no different from shooting him and then lynching Nabe. Nothing changes but him surviving.

He is scum and needs to die.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Xonar I don't have anything to say, Raz/Zen yield one scum between them if not two, and if it's only one I'll be lynched and town will go from there. I'm fine with you getting the shot, as I said earlier you're town via JTB's result imo

 

[Kantrip]

@Nabe: How is Xonar town from JTB's result? If anything, that's more confusing.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

If Raz flips scum we can probably get away with shooting me toNight, but I think Zen and Raz are both scum and would like him shot, if only to endgame with my town

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Nabe: How is Xonar town from JTB's result? If anything, that's more confusing.

Like I said earlier it suggests some sort of redirection shenanigans so that you targeted JTB

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

So that JTB targeted you*

 

[Ramen King]

Nabe if you are town, give me the gun man. You've been trusting me all game. I don't get what you guys are doing. At least on of you three is town, but still following the others bs.

 

[Ramen King]

kantrip you don't deserve to win. And yes I'm saying you're scum.

 

[Kantrip]

Yeah Nabe, that's the thing. If we shoot you toNight then we go into toMorrow in MyLo with both you and Zen alive.

If we shoot Zen we go into LyLo with only you alive and can lynch you (or anyone else) if the game is still active. Zen suggesting to waste the shot is nothing but self preservation, since it's not like we gain another lynch, another Day phase, or ANYTHING out of keeping him alive. His role is even garbage to boot, so there is NO REASON for him to stay alive. He is scum and needs to die.

Seriously, the fact that he is "getting mad" (pretty sure he's not actually, he's faking it like Britches and Hose Swiss) and calling people ******** after the way he has played this game is making me want to puke. Early tunneling on Ran without EVER giving more than "trust me guys he's scum" and having a similar thing with T-block (but remember that T-block was NEVER his number one choice. The epitome of safe bussing). His attitude all game has been one of constant buddying people to make them like him and then pushing suspicion on those who don't. Not once have I seen him give a read with ANY semblance of reasoning for it.

Xonar is town assuming I mimic'd his Magic Coat and the mod just sent me the wrong word. Zen doesn't even think Xonar is scum, he thinks I am, so he should have no problem with Xonar getting the gun. All of Zen's suggestions right now are things to keep him alive one more Day where he can force a lynch on Nabe (or even on me) and win the game as scum.

I probably don't even need to say all this **** because maybe all his scrumbling isn't even working on anyone, but it's pissing me off that he's doing it. Props for trying, Zen, I hope in endgame I get to find out you don't think I'm ********, because that's never a fun feel.

 

[Kantrip]

Zen you don't deserve to win. And yes I'm saying you're scum.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

How early did you replace Soup, I was sure it had been you all game

 

[Mr. Lynch]

Soup replaced out right before it started because he had to do some stuff. He already had his role though.

 

[Mr. Lynch]

Nabe did you see my crumbs?

 

[Mr. Lynch]

No Kantrip I really am losing my cool. I feel like I'm playing with people from epic mafia.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

If we shoot Zen we go into LyLo with only you alive and can lynch you (or anyone else) if the game is still active.

Lol at the bracketed (and doublelol at the shot on the mod)
How many players do we have? Kant, me, Zen, Xonar, Raz, Joey? JTB also, so I guess that's five people left toMorrow or six if the shot is blanked on me

Why do you say LyLo? Seems like we'd have at least two lynches left, more with no nks

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Nabe did you see my crumbs?

Yes. They're not Ghost Commander specifically and I generally don't count on crumbs but it's good to see you're not BSing, remember my "crumb" in Super Heroes? Haha

Whatever someone(?) said about you w.r.t. you appealing to everyone is true, and I'm not sure why you're appealing to me of all people when I want you shot dead

 

[Mr. Lynch]

I think two of you are scum. I don't know which of you is being played. I just know that one of you is and I want you to see that. If you don't then we lose and that's that. I'm not going to lose because the last town doesn't care about the game.

 

[Kantrip]

Assume you're telling the truth for a moment, Nabe.

That means scum has a Night Kill, does it not?

After lynching Raz, there are 5 of us.

Xonar, Zen, Nabe, Kantrip, JTB.

You all still with me?

Let's say scum kills someone but we don't use your shot. That means there are four people left with one scum. That is what we call MyLo. We can only lynch one person and if we are wrong we lose.

Now let's say we use your shot to wipe out someone we want dead. Let's say in this scenario Xonar kills Zen and scum kills you, meaning scum is either me or JTB.

This means there is me, JTB, and Xonar left. 3 people, one scum. This is LyLo. We can only lynch one person and if we are wrong we lose.

Wasting your shot does not give us an extra lynch. In fact, it gives us no benefit at all. Zen's suggestion to waste your shot is only in self-preservation. He wants to survive the Night and then lynch someone in order to be alive at endgame. If he dies instead toNight, we still have a lynch and nothing changes.

Does that, or does that not make sense?

I'm getting pretty pissed at this game as well, not gonna lie. Zen, I hope you can see how blatantly obvious it is that you are going for nothing but survival and not for a town win.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

But which one of the three do you think is town? You're appealing to all three which makes me think that's BS, at least largely. And p.s. I think all of this is null as you have a too-strong survival instinct as town, not just scum

hone"

 

[Mr. Lynch]

more with no nks

Exactly why we need to be shooting you. I do not trust Xonar to do this. If Xonar and Kantrip are scum then xonar shoots me and it's you, JTB, Kantrip, and Xonar tomorrow. We aren't winning from that.

 

[Kantrip]

If Xonar and I are scum it's already over because we lynched Raziek in 6-man MyLo.

 

[Kantrip]

The game doesn't even continue if there are two scum alive AND they have a NK. How bad at math are you?

Seriously, you're pushing for thinking that two of the three of us are scum and you think Raziek was town?

Oh man you caught us. GG it's already over

 

[Mr. Lynch]

I'm being survivalist because I know that killing me will result in our loss. That's that. I really don't know which of you is town. All I know is that killing me will be the end. And I only have to convince whichever of you is town to see that for us to make it.

 

[Mr. Lynch]

Kantrip I never said anything about scum having a separate night kill from Nabe has.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Haha well obviously that should be a phone and not a smiley face embedded in a word but that's hilarious

@Kantrip, scum doesn't have a kill, that doesn't make any sense w.r.t. setup. Maybe a oneshot in which case that killed Gheb rather than a mirrorkill from Raz.

 

[Mr. Lynch]

Nor have I said anything about Raziek being town. I think he is scum. And I still think there are two more scum. Either two indies or one mafia with one indy.

 

[Kantrip]

THEN WHAT ARE YOU SO WORRIED ABOUT?

For **** sakes Zen, if you don't believe that scum has a separate kill, then what killed Gheb?

 

[Mr. Lynch]

Probably Raz has a reflect ability. Hell if I know. There hasn't been a separate night kill all game. Why would scum have a night kill. Plus nabe's ability has priority so there would have still been a kill even if scum night killed Gheb so it was probably just the result of Raz' thing. Like how you were blinded from targeting him.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I'm heading out but I'll be back before the flip to talk setup haha, sounds like you are super confused Kant

 

[Mr. Lynch]

Kantrip what I'm wondering is how YOU aren't doing the math.... I just showed you...

2 scum (regardless of whether or not they are indy or mafia) after Raz' flip.
Xonar shoots me.

2 scum and 2 town alive.

Scenario A: Game over
Scenario B: Scum team > game over

What do you not get about that? Now with us shooting Nabe (who is bulettproof) resulting in no night kill.

2 scum, 3 town alive

Town can still win. Shooting Nabe is 100% the best option for us. Do you see that now?

 

[Kantrip]

I'm not confused about the setup, but I have been confused about what Zen thinks we're dealing with here. I'll just leave it I guess....

Reflector Raziek makes sense, that's great and would fit in a kill-less mafia. That way the mafia has the ability to put people to sleep as well as a member who reflects all actions, including kills.

@Zen: The thing is, I believe you to be one of the scum we're dealing with and so killing you so that we can lynch another person is a much better option than wasting the kill and only getting to lynch one person.

 

[Kantrip]

You're doing the math as if using Nabe's kill equals losing a town member.

 

[Mr. Lynch]

Not it's not haha. Even if you think I'm scum, the math shows that the other option is better. Because trusting Xonar to shoot me is high risk.

I'm not scum you dum dum.

@ninja: Yes, nabe's kill does = losing a town member. You're tunneling mad hard.