Laundry's All-Stars Pokemon Mafia -- Pokeballs to the Pokewalls!

[#HBC | ZoZo]

if Raziek flips scum**

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Xonar, I forget why you originally lied about your claim and I forget what you said you did as Celebi.

I lied because Ryker held me at gun point. Not to mention, it was a good opportunity to get scum to shy away from killing me.

I Magic Coated as Celebi out of sheer paranoia.

Is this for real?

Tbh, it doesn't hold up. I thought it did back then, though. Blame 4am posting.

Xonar, how many PP does Worry Seed have? Have you used it at all? What does Magic Coat do again?

Worry Seed has 2pp and I've used none of it.
Magic Coat puts up a protective shield, reflecting all non attacking moves back to the user. 1ppp.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Confusion caused by my post being a thought barf.

Lookie:

Let's assume Raziek flips scum, which brings us in a 1sv3t situation. aka, LyLo.
That basically means that I can shoot who I want tonight, because the difference between 1v2 and 1v3 isn't much (worst case), it's both 1 lynch to take the victory home. With JTB and Kantrip running around, having an extra shot is even pretty good.

This part already considers the possibility of Scum just killing.

 

[Kantrip]

Oh yeah you're right.

Oh! Something I forgot to mention earlier, I received an additional PP on my Mimic a while ago, I think it was going into a Night phase (which would make it a twilight action). I'd be led to assume Gheb did this. So I've used 2PP, but I have one extra one I could use now, so Fly isn't the only option.

I'm still unsure as to what blinded me. I hope it was Raziek and lynching him will take away that possibility for toNight.

 

[Kantrip]

Magic Coat only lasts the Night you use it?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I'm probably shooting Zen. Nabe, you'll probably support that.

With Zen dead, and Xonar being unable to be shot, there's one of JTB/Kantrip/Nabe to die.

JTB can 'confirm my typing lies', which is a reason for scumXonar to shoot him.
Kantrip is 'see Nabe's Nightkill', which is a reason for scumNabe to shoot him.

Which means that, purely out of WIFOM/scumNK optimization PoV, Nabe will be alive.
Nabe, Xonar + [JTB/Kantrip] will be our endgame.
If JTB died, then Xonar is scum.
If Kantrip died, then Nabe is scum.
If nobody died, then it's realistically between Nabe and Xonar, also having the option to no-lynch to get more results.

On the off chance that Nabe dies, then I'd be doomed as scum.


Honestly, this plan seems failsafe. Agreed?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Yeah, it lasted only 1 night.

I still think JTB got redirected. Raziek's flip will be valuable information there.

 

[Kantrip]

How about when he stayed Flying targeting you N2? Celebi isn't Flying type either.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

That was my Magic Coat, which caused him to target himself.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

except if you believe I'm the true Articuno with ice/flying and you fakeclaimed

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Anyway, Kantrip, my plan. Flaws? If not, I say we do it.

 

[Kantrip]

Oh god week long Night phases equals me forgetting everything I normally have memorized.

Okay. So you Magic Coated on N2? N3 and N4 you did nothing then?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Correct. N1 nothing, N2 Magic Coat, N3 and N4 nothing.

I didn't feel like taking people's ability away without them wanting too. It helps us catch scum if they're fake claiming and Insomnia is not a good ability to have instead of i.e. the communication thing RuyGorf had.

 

[Kantrip]

I guess we'll have to go with this plan, yeah. I really think we're looking at a lying Nabe (and in a Nabe vs Xonar I will side with Xonar without hesitation) here. Raziek is a much more likely partner than Zen due to his reaction to my result on T-block and his play overall (much worse than Zen's) as well as the fact that a lying Nabe would make sense to be saving Raziek. If it ended up being Zen and we went the wrong way in the 50/50 I'll have no regrets. If it was JTB, though, I'll be pretty salty.

So we lynch Raziek.
Nabe gives Xonar the gun.
Xonar shoots Zen.
Zen does nothing and dies silently.
JTB protects Xonar or me.
I watch JTB or Xonar.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

No no no.

Nabe gives Xonar the gun.
JTB protects Xonar, so that Xonar can't be killed
Xonar shoots Zen.
Zen does nothing, dies silently.
JTB, giving Xonar his BP, also checks Xonar's typing.
Kantrip watches Nabe.

Remember, Nabe's action is a twilight and not a night action.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Remember, JTB doesn't protect, the thing is that converting twice gives the target BP for the cost of all of JTB's PP.

He can't protect anyone but me at this point, which is why Xonar + Gun + JTBConversion = a kill that can't be avoided by scum.

 

[Kantrip]

Oh yeah you're right it's a twilight action.

I'm bothered by the fact that there wasn't an alpha strike when JTB was voting Xonar. Raziek added his vote, JTB unvoted, then Zen added his vote. There was Raz and Zen on Xonar and Nabe posted and did not hammer.

Similar situation with Raziek not getting hammered. Perhaps Nabe isn't scum, after all?

But what good does Watching Nabe do for me?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

except if scum is Nabe but you catch my drift.

These results give us a 1v2 with results to work with or (if scum no kills) a 1v3 where we can no lynch and get more night action results, resulting in a 1v2 if scum kills that night or 1v3 which allows for infinite loops and infinite mimicing and type changing.

 

[Kantrip]

Infinite as dictated by PP, which means no more type changing and only one more Mimic.

I'm pretty sure the game will be over, for better or worse, coming out of this next Night phase.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

But what good does Watching Nabe do for me?

It simply limits the entire cast's options. Watching JTB won't do you anything. I got a gun anyway so watching me doesn't do you anything. Watching yourself is, quite obviously, unnecessary.

Watching Nabe forces a situation in which scum has a guaranteed loss.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Infinite as dictated by PP, which means no more type changing and only one more Mimic.

I'm pretty sure the game will be over, for better or worse, coming out of this next Night phase.

True :v. Regardless, we'll have this game won tomorrow, except if Kantrip or JTB is scum, in which case I'll take the loss and blame the set up.

 

[Kantrip]

But if you're shooting Zen then what does it matter? Who is going to be targeting Nabe? It would almost be better to Mimic Nabe to make sure he's not using any abilities, or to watch you to verify that you got targeted by JTB.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Oh right. Confusing watch and track right here.

Mimic is, indeed, the better option. Mimic Nabe then.

 

[Kantrip]

Alright. Thanks Gheb ^^ (if it wasn't your super awesome Smeargle sketching powers that gave me an additional PP then this is pretty awkward).

Vote: Raziek

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Raziek has been hammered already, but good riddance.

Alex said that the flip will be up once the storyboard is done. Personally, I just want to get input from Nabe and JTB then get this over with.

Even though these storyboards are friggin amazing. Seriously, read them.

 

[Kantrip]

I just want to feel like a part of something Xonar D:

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

You can be a part of my cool kids club if you start having cool kid avatars :D

 

[Mr. Lynch]

I genuinely hate you guys n_n

 

[Mr. Lynch]

May as well get these final thoughts out. No one make any more accusations against me since I am being shot. It doesn't matter if you think I'm scum anymore. You'll only be wasting time to continue such nonsense.

Kantrip I don't really think you're town. You've been pretty anti-town all game. Probably indy or something. Maybe even traitor like you claimed. I'd probably go with indy though. If you are town however, you're being played pretty bad. You haven't looked into JTB at all. And you're giving Xonar a free pass even though his logic for jumping on me doesn't make sense. He jumped on Soup because he felt he was vulnerable for not knowing what has been going on in the game. If you're town then you should go for him and Nabe tomorrow if the game is still going. No idea who is still even alive atm.

JTB if you're town, well I think you're probably more town than anyone else I guess. Uh Guess the game is over looking at the list below.

Xonar
Raz
Mr. Lynch
Nabe
Kantrip
JTB

let's see one more scum and an indy. JTB, Kantrip, Xonar, Nabe tomorrow. JTB only one who could be really townie.

Out of Kantrip and Nabe, if one you is town you are being played really hard. You really need to look through the game again before you concent to giving Xonar the gun. Xonar if you are town you really need to not shoot me. I just don't feel like you would really think that I'm scum if you're town though. It would be very silly for soup and I to make up a claim that had already been used like that. You know I've been playing town all game. If you really go by our claim which is actual legit. Then just quit mafia. I've showed my crumbs from both d1 and d2. So you know Soup didn't just come in here and claim something he didn't actually have.


Scum if you win which you probably will. I just want you to know that you didn't deserve this win. My salt levels are over ghebthousand right now.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Shooting not you would mean shooting Nabe or Kantrip, one which can't die and the other is a watcher.

Going Kantrip is a lame suggestion. I really doubt he'd claim to have Mimic'd T-Block and got "Bad Dreams" as scum partners, though.

We've got a lockdown for endgame, only losing if either JTB or Kantrip is scum, and I'm fine with that.

 

[Ramen King]

Your lock down for endgame would be shooting Nabe. My ability will be proven AND we can lynch Nabe. For you to just throw in the towel like that and say if JTB or Kantrip are scum oh well is not even fair to the rest of us at all.

 

[Ramen King]

And like I said, Kantrip is probably indy. Not scum buds with mafia. He's been so anti-town and survivalist all game.

 

[Ramen King]

There were two indy's in Laundry's last game and he's mentioned is liking for various types of indies. You very well know that there are one or two in the game. I know for certain that shooting me will lose us the game Xonar. If you're town then you need to work with me. You know this isn't how I play as scum.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

why would you want to shoot the indy >_>

Really though your play today hasn't been pretty either. and me being unfair? What are you even arguing here

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I've never seen you play as goddamn scum so I wouldn't meta you on that.

The indy being here is possible, yeah, but in that case he can't kill or mafia can't kill, the former being more likely. We need to get mafia first.

 

[Ramen King]

What do you mean why would I want to shoot the indy? Nabe? So there isn't a kill. Shooting me means -1 town. Where as shooting him does nothing. Duh.

 

[Ramen King]

You just seen me play as scum in LoM.

 

[Ramen King]

Sorry for being so harsh guys. A game has never made me so angry before ;_;. It's just when there is a mass consensus of ******, I guess it just really gets to me.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

lol zen are you scum who shot Kantrip and got stopped by a BP night1?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I want to hear Nabe on all this, he's the one handing the gun out.