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Latias is now uber

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mood4food77

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it forces other pokes to run more spe EVs, it's such a weird number (infernape had to run pretty much max SPE evs, other stuff had to run more because they wouldn't outspeed after 1 DD)

it was stupid
 

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it forces other pokes to run more spe EVs, it's such a weird number (infernape had to run pretty much max SPE evs, other stuff had to run more because they wouldn't outspeed after 1 DD)

it was stupid
First off, Latias basically always runs max speed.

Second, how much speed does CBTar run? Enough to outspeed Skarmory. How much Speed does Gliscor have? Enough to outspeed Lucario. How much Speed does Taunt Skarmory carry? Enough to outspeed Adamant Tyranitar. How much speed does SubCharge Rotom carry? Enough to outspeed Mamoswine and Lucario.
 

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yea, those are now

scarfrachi had to run more speed so it wasn't outrun by a +1 garchomp
 

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ok, what i actually meant is that nobody is going to run an adamant chomp. ever.

and if they do they shouldn't, lol
 

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I don't even know how that would look like, since I've never seen it / known it done before. I was just making a suggestion.
Remember that thread about us talking about our shinies/bred pokemon?

Well A mod (I can't remember who) merged it with mine and someone else got my OP XD
 

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good riddance latias!

not that i dont like her

i just think its a dumb idea to take away her soul dew just so an uber pokemon can compete with some little kid OU's :p
 

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And yes, Smogon can't handle dragons because they don't get that they're DRAGONS and are supposed to be really good.

Then doesn't mean most of them belong in ubers? If there really good and are a have no true counter then whats wrong with putting them in uber? I mean, ubers is still a tier, and sure its not the main tier, but its their for people who want to play it.

Anyway, I'm happy to see latias gone. Like Chok, I didn't like the idea of removing an item to get the pokemon to fit in. Not that theirs something wrong with it but it just seemed...wierd.
 

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Except unlike EVERY OTHER POWERFUL SWEEPER.....

It's very bulky.
Tyranitar
Metagross
Heatran
Empoleon
Suicune

It is a base 600, were you expecting something otherwise? You have a better case complaining that Metagross has higher base SpA than Suicune does.

As stated prior, generally only max speed Jirachi and Salamence are hurt by the 102 base speed. Scizor @ 240+ HP investment is effectively bulkier than the standard 252/252 Chomp (common for both) and Scizor is outright played more in ubers. Teams in the current metagame commonly carry 2-3 steels and are much less likely to carry ice attacks, limiting Chomp primarily to choice items or maybe Haban Berry for the best available items, making Chomp extremely easy to set-up on compared to when it was banned. Also, given the ease of set-up on current choice users, SDchomp might end up almost strictly inferior to Agiligross/DDmence or direct players towards more potent sweepers like SDluc.

I do think there is a legitimate argument against the long-term effects of Sand Veil though. I also concede some ground lost for current Stall teams, but Stall has some issues for the moment regardless.

You are putting way too much merit into this Pokemon considering that it is only slightly and debatably better than other OU Pokemon.

And yes, the ability to counter a Pokemon is a luxury.
 

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Then doesn't mean most of them belong in ubers? If there really good and are a have no true counter then whats wrong with putting them in uber? I mean, ubers is still a tier, and sure its not the main tier, but its their for people who want to play it.
Most of them are in Ubers. Have you done a head count lately? Not counting Giratina-O (even though it is much different and should still be counted, imo), the count is 7 Ubers to 5 OU or lower. They've basically weeded out all the dragons that centralized the metagame. Bar Salamence, of course.

And once Mence is gone (if it leaves), the only 600 BST Dragon in OU will be Dragonite, which doesn't have nearly the sweeping potential that Mence had. So...yeah.
 

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Until everyone starts using Rest / Dragon Dance Altaria.

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Yeah, like that would totally work. I might actually play OU once in a while if a bunch of Dragon-types were removed. And Scizor. Lol.
 

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Until everyone starts using Rest / Dragon Dance Altaria.

...

Yeah, like that would totally work. I might actually play OU once in a while if a bunch of Dragon-types were removed. And Scizor. Lol.
Still not gay enough to use Bullet Punch I see...
 

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Until everyone starts using Rest / Dragon Dance Altaria.

...

Yeah, like that would totally work. I might actually play OU once in a while if a bunch of Dragon-types were removed. And Scizor. Lol.
Intriguingly enough, I think Scizor's usage could fall with Latias now gone. Maybe not a lot, but at least a bit. Well, unless Mence usage skyrockets or something. It's just that a lot of things that benefit from Latias' riddance are things that Scizor doesn't really like.
 

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Most of them are in Ubers. Have you done a head count lately? Not counting Giratina-O (even though it is much different and should still be counted, imo), the count is 7 Ubers to 5 OU or lower. They've basically weeded out all the dragons that centralized the metagame. Bar Salamence, of course.

And once Mence is gone (if it leaves), the only 600 BST Dragon in OU will be Dragonite, which doesn't have nearly the sweeping potential that Mence had. So...yeah.
Dragonite really isn't used because Mence outclasses him, it's not that he doesn't have sweeping potential. I actually think he's even more versatile than Mence due to his huge movepool and bulk. Plus, he can do exactly what Mence does that might make him uber. He won't Draco as hard but he'll be **** close.

Until everyone starts using Rest / Dragon Dance Altaria.

...

Yeah, like that would totally work. I might actually play OU once in a while if a bunch of Dragon-types were removed. And Scizor. Lol.
Scizor is so easy to counter

Intriguingly enough, I think Scizor's usage could fall with Latias now gone. Maybe not a lot, but at least a bit. Well, unless Mence usage skyrockets or something. It's just that a lot of things that benefit from Latias' riddance are things that Scizor doesn't really like.
You'll see a **** ton more Nape
 

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I hate this, I loved using Latias. Oh well... I really don't care for Infernape...
 

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Oh MixNape, how I've missed you so.

Finally, I can sweep with you once more :)
 

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I'm about to make a long post, if Firefox crashes on me while I'm making it, I just want to start by saying that P4 and Dina need to lurk moar and get over themselves.

lmfao, as soon as I aim you this information you make a topic on it. >.>
lmfao as soon as you guys get the idea to create the topic neither of you searches around for it.

lol someone had to tell them :p
Yeah cause you know we're such a bunch of scrubs that we know nothing about what's going on in the smogon metagame even though almost nobody here uses anything BUT Shoddybattle. CLEARLY you guys know SO MUCH MORE about the metagame.

Are your balls dry? Because I can fix that for you.

So you're saying all 492 other Pokemon are in the wrong tier?

Elaborate.
Dina is saying that she thinks she is better than you. Pretty much every post she makes is that. And if she gets backed into a corner in an argument she pulls migrane johns.

You already know my stance on this.
No you don't because you have a massive completely unfounded superiority complex which prevents yourself from posting in the PC. In fact, I'm sure a lot of people here don't even know who you are.

And to the people who do play by Smogon's rules and are concerned about their teams being ruined, you really shouldn't. The D/P/PLT/HG/SS era is coming to an end soon, and W/B will be released with a new meta game. So don't feel bad. :)
I don't because they'll never ban Blissey.

Tier lists are eh, use your favs and you can make them go a lot farther than you'd expect.
ehhhhh

There's only so far I can go with Poliwrath, even in UU.

ITT: SniperNightOwl trolls people
Dina couldn't troll a black person if she was wearing a KKK hood and burning a cross on their lawn.

All of Japan.
All hail glorious Nippon.

Also im requesting a lock for this topic.
I'm seconding the lock for this topic
Texas: LOL WE'D RATHER DO THINGS AND THEN TAKE THEM BACK THAN MAKE SURE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE.

It makes a lot of sense now that George W. Bush was the governor there.

team chomp with ttar and you got a beast
Ever notice how mood4food and Captain Obvious are never in the same room?

ZOMG THEY'RE THE SAME PERSON!

Counters are a luxury, not a necessity.
****ing this. I've always said that knowing how to play around something can be better than having a straight counter.

I remember reading somewhere that Garchomp is almost as bulky as Swampert.

That could be problematic.
The fact that you read it but didn't bother to check it

yea, those are now

scarfrachi had to run more speed so it wasn't outrun by a +1 garchomp
You seem to think that Garchomp has Dragon Dance.

He does not.

If you meant Jolly Garchomp, then:

1. You should have ****ing said so.
2. Choice Scarf means no, you do not have to run more speed to outrun it unless it's ScarfChomp which would outrun it no matter what.

So...everyone knows UltiMario made a thread about this already, right...?
Terywj showing up late to the party.

Gates making the hypocritical statement about it.

This is not to say the discussions in here are lacking, I brought that up as a point.
Should we merge to two threads or get rid of this one?
I've requested mergers before but they fell on deaf ears. Either that or the mods don't know how to merge threads.

good riddance latias!

not that i dont like her

i just think its a dumb idea to take away her soul dew just so an uber pokemon can compete with some little kid OU's :p
This is the only sensible post that I agree with. I'd rather Latias be straight banned and not have an optional rule that says you can't use a specific item.

Hopefully they remove Soul Dew Clause so I can use it on my Feebass.


tl;dr:

1. Dina you're a huge ***** and I hate you.
2. P4 you need to lurk moar.
3. mood4food you're a scrub and you need to lurk moar.
4. This thread is pointless.
5. My Common Sense is telling me that someone (**COUGH**DINA**COUGH**) is going to report this post and I'll get an infraction for it, which will lead me to my classic "oh no somebody is mad at me on the internet" bit.
6. I just wasted like 20 minutes typing up this post when I could have been playing Mario Galaxy 2 and I will hold a grudge against all of you for that until the end of time.
 

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Gates, you suck. Now quit hating on Dina and myself just because you're salty. I thought she was harsh on you at first but I see now it's you who's always acting like such a *****.

Get over yourself.
 

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eh its cool P4... he says i have a "superiority complex" when in truth he is the one with the inferiority complex.... thats why he always hating XD

Also Gates, Ultimario did know my stance, i discussed it with him in the Disco Room. :ohwell:
 

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WTF Poké Center. There's already a thread about this, so you manage to post a whole 5 pages in a thread that shouldn't have even been responded to?

Come on guys.. :urg:

EDIT: After reviewing this thread even more, I'm seriously disappointed.
 
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